Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave,

Just to clarify, the new beefier TBs fly the same as current champion TBs? Do they have the "CA" or the "CAL" mold engraving?

How are the new rancho roc "R+"s different, in flight and in feel?

Thanks

[John Keith]

and it seems that Star Teebirds that say *T are less HSS and more glide, and Teebirds that say TB are more HSS ? any one else notice...

[John Keith]

so the change in Teebird is just Champion or star runs too.

[jrsnapp]

Perfect timing to ask this question since we're talking about Teebirds. I went by the local PIAS and pick up an interesting disc. The stamp caught my eye first.

PDGA Amateur World MMI (2001) Disc Golf Championships - Nashville, Tennessee.

Picked it up and it is a Teebird and it feels like 10x plastic. Can anyone confirm the discs that had this stamp?

Thanks in advance for the info.

[davei]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave,

Just to clarify, the new beefier TBs fly the same as current champion TBs? Do they have the "CA" or the "CAL" mold engraving?

How are the new rancho roc "R+"s different, in flight and in feel?

Thanks

I will have to look at the engraving when I get a chance. Both the new Rancho Roc (R+) and the new TBs fly the same, look the same, but feel a little beefier. Some will prefer the beefier rim, some won't, I imagine. They both mold up easier and make better eye candy, but I couldn't say either is a better Roc or a better TB. I personally like them just because the rim feels better in my hand.

[davei]

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

so the change in Teebird is just Champion or star runs too.

For now. We want to see what the preference is in the field. If everyone likes it, we will run the + mold. If not, we will stay will the old mold. For now, it has been run in Champion and Glow Champion. These will be segregated into the tournament discs section.

[ishkatbible]

Originally Posted by davei

For now. We want to see what the preference is in the field. If everyone likes it, we will run the + mold. If not, we will stay will the old mold. For now, it has been run in Champion and Glow Champion. These will be segregated into the tournament discs section.

so will we be able to tell the difference other than just the beefier rim? and how big is the difference? easy to tell them apart?

i just sliced my champion tee-bird on barbed wire and was gonna head out to buy a new one this weekend.

[gokayaksteven]

by beefier, do you mean wider or deeper or both?
thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by ishkatbible

so will we be able to tell the difference other than just the beefier rim? and how big is the difference? easy to tell them apart?

i just sliced my champion tee-bird on barbed wire and was gonna head out to buy a new one this weekend.

Some people won't be able to tell the difference. It is the Rancho Cal mold rather than the Ca. If you're a regular TeeBird thrower you will probably be able to tell fairly easily. The rim is a little fuller, but not wider where you can see it. You have to feel it.

[John Keith]

Question: The Destroyers in CFR plastic could be found with real domey tops. these domey tops were nice and over stable and had great glide compared to the more flat top versions. Now that they are regular Champion production I can hardly find any with Domey Tops?? why is that? Are regular productions made diff and thus not producing domey tops? As far as I know the Domey Ch destroyers and Domey Top Forces are more love by people that throw them? Can we get Domey Top Champ Destroyers..

[davei]

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

Question: The Destroyers in CFR plastic could be found with real domey tops. these domey tops were nice and over stable and had great glide compared to the more flat top versions. Now that they are regular Champion production I can hardly find any with Domey Tops?? why is that? Are regular productions made diff and thus not producing domey tops? As far as I know the Domey Ch destroyers and Domey Top Forces are more love by people that throw them? Can we get Domey Top Champ Destroyers..

There is a split as to whether domier is better or not. While it is true that the domier Destroyers have a little more glide, they also have a little less speed. While I personally prefer the domier discs, many player don't like domey anything. All this being said, we don't try to make them domey or not, but we do try to make them more stable than the Star version.

[John Keith]

ok So can I get Domey regular champion models? are they being produced? is it a batch by batch issue? or do I have to hunt for Domey ones?
And all teh Domey ones even though less speed are farther flying disc with glide, So i would gladly sacrfice the speed for distance...in other words I only want Domey destroyers. The flat top or more overstable but not as long.

[John Keith]

well and also show me the "many players" who like the flat top design and they are throwing destroyers as a fast firebird type shot, not a all out distance shot.

[John Keith]

Any one who throws Destroyers Star or Champion:
Do you prefer Domey or Flat Top Destroyers???

[gokayaksteven]

i like a compromise: slight dome. not huge like the pros, but not flat.

[ChrisEads]

I like Echo Star Destroyers that have really big domes on them

[gippy]

I like a flatter disc in every mold I throw. Just my preference. got hook on the flats when CE came out. The 1St run Champ Destroyers the Bar Stamp,football and big star stamp ones are my Favs. There where also some that where CFR for the gentlemens club tourney that were $$$ any one have any? they where from 08

[John Keith]

I totally understand your CE love, but old CE flat top had the glide of New CFR DOmey stuff and even better, thats one of the magical things of old CE. It was flat but had glide....just magical and why everbody craves it so.
But new Stuff to get same glide it takes the Dome..

[John Keith]

I love teh CFR Domey Destroyers and any Star Domey Destroyers, I can throw them farther with less effort than flat ones. And New they still fly into wind very well.

[bravo]

hey dave how are you doing?
i have a star disc with the twisted tour stamp of twisted flyer.
thebottom is marked with "SGM" at170.
when i place this disc next to my champion panthers i can't detect a difference.
yet when i look online i cant find star panthers or star gremlins.
might you have any insight?
thanks for all you put into this sport and all your responses here.

[keithjohnson]

Star Gremlins are CFR's and only available at this time as fundraisers - that's why you don't see them for sale.

[Furthur]

Discmania currently has a disc that's the same as the Gremlin mold.

[John Keith]

Taboo Question and Topic!
If I could get you (Innova) a batch of old CE plastic (the same chemical structure compound) so that you could produce Disc in "CE" plastic....would you?
Since you own the patent for the plastic, you are the only one that can produce it.

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by ChrisEads

I like Echo Star Destroyers that have really big domes on them

The recent echo destroyers are the best destroyers to date, imo. Great glide very fast big dome.

[Drew32]

Dave,

Is the 2 color foil hotstamps only available through Innova West? So far I have only seen this type of foil stamp on Japan Open and a wintertime tournament stamp out of Pasadena. I'd love to get a batch of my Lexington Open 12 discs stamped this way if possible.

Drew

[gippy]

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

I totally understand your CE love, but old CE flat top had the glide of New CFR DOmey stuff and even better, thats one of the magical things of old CE. It was flat but had glide....just magical and why everbody craves it so.
But new Stuff to get same glide it takes the Dome..

Having too much of a dome just feels funny in my hand. I don't get a clean release with it. It makes sense that having the dome gets more glide. A slight dome is okay but like the differnece between 11X Eagle and the 12X Eagle is very dramtic. The Star has less of a dome than the 12X Eagle and feels better in the hand but still dosen't even come close to feel of my CE ones. People look at me funny when they see my summer bag its got probally 7-8 CE discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by bravo

hey dave how are you doing?
i have a star disc with the twisted tour stamp of twisted flyer.
thebottom is marked with "SGM" at170.
when i place this disc next to my champion panthers i can't detect a difference.
yet when i look online i cant find star panthers or star gremlins.
might you have any insight?
thanks for all you put into this sport and all your responses here.

The Gremlin has become a Discmania midrange. However, at this point the labeling could either mean: Star-Gremlin (Innova) or S-Greater Midrange (Discmania). All future runs will be Discmania.

[davei]

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

Taboo Question and Topic!
If I could get you (Innova) a batch of old CE plastic (the same chemical structure compound) so that you could produce Disc in "CE" plastic....would you?
Since you own the patent for the plastic, you are the only one that can produce it.

We certainly would like to get hold of the same plastic, but we don't own any patents to produce it.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Drew32

Dave,

Is the 2 color foil hotstamps only available through Innova West? So far I have only seen this type of foil stamp on Japan Open and a wintertime tournament stamp out of Pasadena. I'd love to get a batch of my Lexington Open 12 discs stamped this way if possible.

Drew

Either coast can do two-color hot stamps. The East Coast can do INNColor too.

[veganray]

Originally Posted by bravo

hey dave how are you doing?
i have a star disc with the twisted tour stamp of twisted flyer.
thebottom is marked with "SGM" at170.
when i place this disc next to my champion panthers i can't detect a difference.
yet when i look online i cant find star panthers or star gremlins.
might you have any insight?
thanks for all you put into this sport and all your responses here.

CFR STAR Gremlins are beadless & will be hard to differentiate by sight from Panthers. DX, ProLine, & CFR Champion Gremlins (as well as DiscMania GMs, I believe) are beaded.