Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[bpait]

In reference to the shark topic that was posted earlier. I have three of those and on one of them the sticker from innova says CE Shark. So now it should be reference Champion Candy Shark, correct?

[davei]

Originally Posted by bpait

In reference to the shark topic that was posted earlier. I have three of those and on one of them the sticker from innova says CE Shark. So now it should be reference Champion Candy Shark, correct?

We called all Champion plastic CE in those days. It is the collectors who have apparently differentiated it. We also had gummy CE.

[thediscinmusician]

Originally Posted by davei

I don't think it would be rare by plastic type. It might be rare by date and hot stamp. That plastic has been differentiated by collectors as not CE. Collector CE was somewhat less translucent. Not opaque, but close.

Gotcha so pretty much I have just a regular ol Champion/Candy Shark. Thanks! Looking forward to the new site!

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by davei

CE and Candy came out at the same time. The first release of any kind was in 2000 at Worlds. Clear Candy TeeBirds.

I got one of those. Its f$%^ing awesome.

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by davei

We called all Champion plastic CE in those days. It is the collectors who have apparently differentiated it. We also had gummy CE.

You can compare the Sharks to the last run of "CE" Teebirds / TLs ( with the Swoosh ) and also Valkyries and Leopards from the same era. The Vs and Ls even had the original CE stamp, but the value/worth to collectors is much lower.

Depending on who you are shopping with, Gummy CE can get quite expensive.



Dave, do you know the ration numbers for gummy discs? I was told once it was like 1 vs. every 250 discs?

[veganray]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Depending on who you are shopping with, Gummy CE can get quite expensive.

Really? I need to have an eBay sale. I have dozens of gummy CE Leopards, Valks, & Teebirds (and one Firebird that I know of). I thought the stiff CE was much more sought-after, so I've just been storing the gummy stuff.

[zj1002]

Originally Posted by davei

Right now, any Champion type runs will be reserved for Discmania fund raising. We are open to the possibility in the future of a mainline release.

We have been testing several potential new models, but so far none has made the grade except possibly a mid range for fund raising. It will be Champion type plastic, if it happens.

Well that is some good news for the Discmania lovers out there. I know the DGR.com community is excited to know the possibility exists. we love our PD's.

Thanks,
Zach J

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by veganray

Really? I need to have an eBay sale. I have dozens of gummy CE Leopards, Valks, & Teebirds (and one Firebird that I know of). I thought the stiff CE was much more sought-after, so I've just been storing the gummy stuff.

Thought I remembered you tended to throw lighter weights? Most the gummy stuff I have seen is lighter, but heavy stuff does exist. Alot also came out towards the end, and its hard to judge as even the earlier run stuff tended to have a more champion mix, or look more clear than opaque.

Even modern Champion gummy carries premiums online it seems. Not much difference between them and most of the latest QMS' Ive seen, but whatever.

[davei]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Dave, do you know the ration numbers for gummy discs? I was told once it was like 1 vs. every 250 discs?

I am not sure what the ratio is of gummy to regular, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were 1:250 or more.

[davei]

Originally Posted by zj1002

Well that is some good news for the Discmania lovers out there. I know the DGR.com community is excited to know the possibility exists. we love our PD's.

Thanks,
Zach J

We will run Champion PDs very soon for a test run. If they are satisfactory, we will make them available here in the US. None of the other models are scheduled yet.

[veganray]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Thought I remembered you tended to throw lighter weights? Most the gummy stuff I have seen is lighter, but heavy stuff does exist. Alot also came out towards the end, and its hard to judge as even the earlier run stuff tended to have a more champion mix, or look more clear than opaque.

Even modern Champion gummy carries premiums online it seems. Not much difference between them and most of the latest QMS' Ive seen, but whatever.

I've got 150-class Leopards & Valks and heavy Valks, Teebirds, & a Firebird (or two). While "modern" gummy Champ is OK (I am particularly fond of gummy 11x Japan Open Firebirds), the mother of all plastics is gummy post-CE candy ProLine. Leopard in that material may just be my favorite disc ever.

[JHBlader86]

Dave, just wanted to say the Pro Katana is the bomb! The only Innova distance driver I've had in my bag for the last few yrs has been the Champion Starfire-X, but I went out and tested my Pro Katana's today and was hitting distances of 400+ft without even warming up and stretching. I average 350-375ft, and on the really good days was able to hit 390-400, but those were few and far between. I feel so much more confident with the Katana in my hand to reach the super long hole we have in BG, such as the ones at White Park and Phil Moore Park. The Katana truly is a sick disc!

[sidehuk]

Originally Posted by dgdave

Its a CE CLassic Roc

Are you sure? It's completely NOT see thru and feels a little grippier than any champ or ce disc I've ever seen

[gippy]

Originally Posted by sidehuk

Are you sure? It's completely NOT see thru and feels a little grippier than any champ or ce disc I've ever seen

Sure is I had some like this. It's the Same Plastic as the 2002 USDGC Rocs

[Karma Police]

Hey Dave,
I'm sure this has been asked a million timed before. It's about the Proto KC LE Rocs that came out after the Proto KC Rainbow stamped Rocs. I always assumed the 'LE' stood for Limited Edition. Is that the case?

[davei]

Originally Posted by Karma Police

Hey Dave,
I'm sure this has been asked a million timed before. It's about the Proto KC LE Rocs that came out after the Proto KC Rainbow stamped Rocs. I always assumed the 'LE' stood for Limited Edition. Is that the case?

Yes. Limited Edition. We also had Special Edition.

[gippy]

Originally Posted by Karma Police

Hey Dave,
I'm sure this has been asked a million timed before. It's about the Proto KC LE Rocs that came out after the Proto KC Rainbow stamped Rocs. I always assumed the 'LE' stood for Limited Edition. Is that the case?

????? Have never seen one can i get a pic here

[Karma Police]

Originally Posted by davei

Yes. Limited Edition. We also had Special Edition.

Thanks Dave! Was 99% sure but wanted to check with the source.

[wheresdave]

Hey Dave just found this disc that has a bar stamp and says THE CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS FOR DISC GOLF on bottom 174 T. Is this a 1st run CE Teebird?

[thenatureboy68]

Hey dave...

Is it pro material or stiff on proto pre 8x LE roc? Just wondering. I have proto pre 8x roc that has pro material feeling. Thanks

[davei]

Sorry, both of the preceding questions need to be answered by collectors. I really can't put stamps to discs. Ninety nine per cent of the discs I see are blank.

[Furthur]

Originally Posted by wheresdave

Hey Dave just found this disc that has a bar stamp and says THE CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS FOR DISC GOLF on bottom 174 T. Is this a 1st run CE Teebird?

It sounds like a Cam Todd Teebird. This is Chase's explanation from another thread on the board.

He told me they were stamping discs that were going to the Team members and used the old school barstamp. There was around one hundred done, maybe a little more. He said alot the ones that Cam stamped personally were double stamped or had minor flaws as he couldnt get the machine to stamp them right. He wasnt familiar with the term "Cam Todd Teebird", as either all the Winnicrew or all of the Innova Team recieved the same discs, but suggested they were probably called that because Cam sold the most of them while out on tour. I also think he said that some were double stamped with the bar log and a Winniecrew logo, but that info may have came elsewhere, as they are about 10 stories going around about these discs. Im pretty sure RickB has some left as well, Im not sure whose stash his came out of though.

Here's the thread: http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=26641

[gippy]

Originally Posted by thenatureboy68

Hey dave...

Is it pro material or stiff on proto pre 8x LE roc? Just wondering. I have proto pre 8x roc that has pro material feeling. Thanks

Does it say Super Roc post a pic would be more helpful. The only Pre 8X I know about are the Bar Stamp Rainbow the the BAr Stamp with The CHoice of Champions under it and both are Proto 8X KC Pro Roc the Super Roc is the "Pro" plastic

[pdiddy71]

Dave, will the r pro rhynos be soft or firm like the more recent runs of pro that i have been seeing? thanks!
Patrick

[davei]

Originally Posted by pdiddy71

Dave, will the r pro rhynos be soft or firm like the more recent runs of pro that i have been seeing? thanks!
Patrick

We are going to make them as soft as we can.

[kwibby1]

Hi Dave, was wondering with all the questions you get about everything disc has Innova been keeping track of runs,stamps,material to help you answer those questions and for collectors knowing what they have. example i'd like to see is lets say 12x black aviars ,rocs ect. The black aviars had at least two runs while the black roc had one i believe. It'd be nice to differentiate between the runs somehow since disc plastic seems to be a fickle thing at times and different runs produce a better or different flying disc.

[davei]

Originally Posted by kwibby1

Hi Dave, was wondering with all the questions you get about everything disc has Innova been keeping track of runs,stamps,material to help you answer those questions and for collectors knowing what they have. example i'd like to see is lets say 12x black aviars ,rocs ect. The black aviars had at least two runs while the black roc had one i believe. It'd be nice to differentiate between the runs somehow since disc plastic seems to be a fickle thing at times and different runs produce a better or different flying disc.

I haven't been tracking any of the collector information. Tim was doing that for a number of years. Mark Molnar has been involved with the collector side and knows more information about that than I do. I deal with product development and production. Once produced, I have very little to do with the product other than playing disc golf.

Plastic is definitely fickle. All of the plastic we have used over the years has either changed, evolved, or is no longer available. Most of the manufacturers have changed, merged with other manufacturers, or are out of business. We have to deal with that reality as best we can.

[rickb]

Originally Posted by wheresdave

Hey Dave just found this disc that has a bar stamp and says THE CHOICE OF CHAMPIONS FOR DISC GOLF on bottom 174 T. Is this a 1st run CE Teebird?

These were either the "Cam Todd" CE Teebirds or the "Winicrew" CE Teebirds. Story goes like this. The mentioned team members were getting CE Teebirds printed up. They chose the Innova bar stamp. These discs were being used both by the team and as fundraisers. The Winnicrew did thier stamping at the west coast factory while Cam stamped his at the east coast factory. Cam actually stamped his himself. And the easiest way to tell the difference between the 2 was that Cam's had an extra silver foil marking about 2 inches from the stamp at about 11:00. This extra foil mark was only 1/4" long. All of the ones I've seen or own are either white or orange with silver stamps. The plastic is the opaque CE with the familliar residue common to older ce. These were not 1st run CE discs. They were 3rd run.

When Cam switched to Discraft I bought his remaining inventory which consisted of about 50 of the "CT" CE Teebirds. I also bought a case or other CE plastic from him including about 100 1st run CE Teebirds and 1st run CE Eagles. If you go way back into the traders row thread you will find the "fire" sale I had

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by thenatureboy68

Hey dave...

Is it pro material or stiff on proto pre 8x LE roc? Just wondering. I have proto pre 8x roc that has pro material feeling. Thanks

Stiff, on both.

There is the Choice of Champions Rainbow stamped and an older Innova barstamp version, whihc has no other writing. Those are the hard ones to find. I was told one was a KC proto the other a Rancho Proto, but Ive heard lots of different stories. Dave may be able to elaborate on that...

Both are stiff and fickle. I have to store them in my house, the shop gets too cold in the winter and they will break. I found that out with a KC 8x that had a triple J-Bird stamp. It was a pretty crappy day after that.

[shteev]

the choice of champions bar stamp is on the special edition super roc i have also.