Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 358

tokyo · Jan 25 2010, 06:54 PM

I bought 2 new orcs and they were way stable and so was the beast I bought I 2 wish they had a old type beast

AviarX · Jan 25 2010, 09:01 PM

I stocked up on old Champ Orcs before the clearer runs came out, becasue they used to be my go-to driver, but now I really don't need all of them.

PM me if you want to work something out

Furthur · Jan 26 2010, 03:23 PM

Dave, did the Discmania CD mold change? Someone posted a picture of a one of the new stamped ones on DGR, and it looks like the PD top. Sort of like the difference between the proto and production PD.

New CD (Craze) vs Old CD

PD (Freak) vs New CD (Craze)

davei · Jan 26 2010, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave, did the Discmania CD mold change? Someone posted a picture of a one of the new stamped ones on DGR, and it looks like the PD top. Sort of like the difference between the proto and production PD.

New CD (Craze) vs Old CD

PD (Freak) vs New CD (Craze)

The "First Run" was actually a proto. There were very few of those made.
All of the Discmania drivers have the same characteristic look now. As far as the way they fly, they should be very similar.

Furthur · Jan 26 2010, 03:57 PM

Dave, when you say 'similar', I assume you mean the "First Run" CD is similar to the new "Craze" CD?

For what it's worth, I'm glad you changed the CD. I have a few of the XMas PDs (the one with the same top as the 1st Run CD), and enjoy the production ones more.

TheOtherBill · Jan 26 2010, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Hey Joe,
We are going to be making them in R-Pro. They have been out for a while. May I presume your question has to do with the softness? We will be making softer next run.

"They have been out for a while?"
Please clarify as I've yet to find any JK Aviars made with R-Pro material (or at least a BB Aviar in R-Pro)available either online or on Innova's page.

This would be my dream putter and I prefer to support businesses here in SC!

davei · Jan 26 2010, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheOtherBill

"They have been out for a while?"
Please clarify as I've yet to find any JK Aviars made with R-Pro material (or at least a BB Aviar in R-Pro)available either online or on Innova's page.

This would be my dream putter and I prefer to support businesses here in SC!

The Pro Rhyno and the JK were the first R-Pro discs essentially. Some R-Pro is a little stiffer and some a little softer. Some feel a little stiffer or softer due to the structure of the disc.

What quality are you looking for?

gokayaksteven · Jan 26 2010, 07:18 PM

Hi dave-
can you describe the flight (w/ comparisons) of the new production discmania control drivers? I really love the power driver, especially in the p plastic.
thanks

davei · Jan 26 2010, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Hi dave-
can you describe the flight (w/ comparisons) of the new production discmania control drivers? I really love the power driver, especially in the p plastic.
thanks

The CD is basically a less over stable version of the PD.

krazyeye · Jan 27 2010, 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

The Pro Rhyno and the JK were the first R-Pro discs essentially.

The only R-Pro Aviars I have seen are beadless. My JKs have a bead.

junky · Jan 27 2010, 11:34 AM

Dave,
when was the AviarXD made? will it ever get made again?
Thanks

flynvegas · Jan 27 2010, 11:53 AM

'84 or '85. The XD is still available.

davei · Jan 27 2010, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by krazyeye

The only R-Pro Aviars I have seen are beadless. My JKs have a bead.

All JKs are big bead driver Aviars. All are some form of R-Pro. None are called R-Pro JKs. They are still called JK Aviars. The newest runs have flight numbers.

Tim Red Beard · Jan 27 2010, 03:37 PM

Dave is there any chance of getting the JK's run again in the type of plastic that the 3X's JK's were run in? I got my hands on a 3X's JK and it's night and day when it comes to the softness and grip of the 3X's vs. the 5X's ones.

joegraham · Jan 27 2010, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

All JKs are big bead driver Aviars. All are some form of R-Pro. None are called R-Pro JKs. They are still called JK Aviars. The newest runs have flight numbers.

Dave, this is the question we all are asking: how are the JKs identified as R-Pro and therefore soft ones? Does is say R on the bottom, on top? I know the mold is called JK Pro Aviar, but I usually order online, and I want to know what I'm getting. I want JK Aviars in the R-Pro plastic that approximates the R-Pro P&A softness. Thank you so much.

pdiddy71 · Jan 27 2010, 09:27 PM

will the r pro rhynos be stamped "r pro rhynos" or just have the flight numbers on it to identify them?
Thanks!

davei · Jan 27 2010, 09:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joegraham

Dave, this is the question we all are asking: how are the JKs identified as R-Pro and therefore soft ones? Does is say R on the bottom, on top? I know the mold is called JK Pro Aviar, but I usually order online, and I want to know what I'm getting. I want JK Aviars in the R-Pro plastic that approximates the R-Pro P&A softness. Thank you so much.

Okay. I understand now, I think. We had to run JKs a little stiffer in the past because the mold wouldn't cooperate and tended to produce sunken flight plates when we made them too soft. We believe we have solved that problem and will be able to produce substantially softer runs in the future. We did make one short run already, but it has not been stamped. Also, I am not sure it was done as soft as we can, but it was softer than we have been doing.

The hotstamp for newer JKs will have flight numbers. I don't know how much older stock we have that will be stamped with the newer stamp when they come up in the stamping rotation. All new JKs will have the new stamp. Also, the newly produced JKs will have different engraving on the bottom.

The ink on the bottom will still say JK, as will the stamp.

davei · Jan 27 2010, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdiddy71

will the r pro rhynos be stamped "r pro rhynos" or just have the flight numbers on it to identify them?
Thanks!

The R-Pro Rhynos will say R-Pro.

davei · Jan 27 2010, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim Red Beard

Dave is there any chance of getting the JK's run again in the type of plastic that the 3X's JK's were run in? I got my hands on a 3X's JK and it's night and day when it comes to the softness and grip of the 3X's vs. the 5X's ones.

Yes.

Tim Red Beard · Jan 28 2010, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

yes.

awesome!!

:d

mf100forever · Jan 28 2010, 03:18 AM

Dave, do you now these Champ Valk/Monarch hybrids?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Champion-Valkyri...item4ced595445

davei · Jan 28 2010, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Dave, do you now these Champ Valk/Monarch hybrids?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Champion-Valkyri...item4ced595445

This is an alternate mold for Monarchs. It allows us to get lower weights for the Asian players.

rickb · Jan 28 2010, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Tim Red Beard
Dave is there any chance of getting the JK's run again in the type of plastic that the 3X's JK's were run in? I got my hands on a 3X's JK and it's night and day when it comes to the softness and grip of the 3X's vs. the 5X's ones.

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Yes.

Dave any chance of getting some other colors ran also? To be specific, orange JK Aviars.
Thanks again for all of the time you spend here answering our questions.

Tim Red Beard · Jan 28 2010, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickb

Originally Posted by Tim Red Beard
Dave is there any chance of getting the JK's run again in the type of plastic that the 3X's JK's were run in? I got my hands on a 3X's JK and it's night and day when it comes to the softness and grip of the 3X's vs. the 5X's ones.

Dave any chance of getting some other colors ran also? To be specific, orange JK Aviars.
Thanks again for all of the time you spend here answering our questions.

You can still get Orange JK's in the normal run, there are some on eBay that are a reasonable price, 11 bucks Buy It Now. I just got one last week.

However have the 3X's plastic run in different colors would be awesome!

Furthur · Jan 28 2010, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

The CD is basically a less over stable version of the PD.

Dave, what was the motivation for the change in top for both the CD and PD from the 1st Runs?

davei · Jan 28 2010, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickb

Originally Posted by Tim Red Beard
Dave is there any chance of getting the JK's run again in the type of plastic that the 3X's JK's were run in? I got my hands on a 3X's JK and it's night and day when it comes to the softness and grip of the 3X's vs. the 5X's ones.

Dave any chance of getting some other colors ran also? To be specific, orange JK Aviars.
Thanks again for all of the time you spend here answering our questions.

Yes, the new runs will be in colors and softer.

davei · Jan 28 2010, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave, what was the motivation for the change in top for both the CD and PD from the 1st Runs?

We wanted all the Discmania drivers to have a distinctive look.

Furthur · Jan 28 2010, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

We wanted all the Discmania drivers to have a distinctive look.

So the change with the top didn't have anything to do with flight characteristics?

davei · Jan 28 2010, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furthur

So the change with the top didn't have anything to do with flight characteristics?

Correct.

joegraham · Jan 28 2010, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Okay. I understand now, I think. We had to run JKs a little stiffer in the past because the mold wouldn't cooperate and tended to produce sunken flight plates when we made them too soft. We believe we have solved that problem and will be able to produce substantially softer runs in the future. We did make one short run already, but it has not been stamped. Also, I am not sure it was done as soft as we can, but it was softer than we have been doing.

The hotstamp for newer JKs will have flight numbers. I don't know how much older stock we have that will be stamped with the newer stamp when they come up in the stamping rotation. All new JKs will have the new stamp. Also, the newly produced JKs will have different engraving on the bottom.

The ink on the bottom will still say JK, as will the stamp.

Awesome!. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Will be looking forward to these.

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Jan 25 2010, 09:01 PM	#10712
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	I stocked up on old Champ Orcs before the clearer runs came out, becasue they used to be my go-to driver, but now I really don't need all of them. PM me if you want to work something out

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Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Dave, did the Discmania CD mold change? Someone posted a picture of a one of the new stamped ones on DGR, and it looks like the PD top. Sort of like the difference between the proto and production PD. New CD (Craze) vs Old CD PD (Freak) vs New CD (Craze)

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Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Dave, when you say 'similar', I assume you mean the "First Run" CD is similar to the new "Craze" CD? For what it's worth, I'm glad you changed the CD. I have a few of the XMas PDs (the one with the same top as the 1st Run CD), and enjoy the production ones more.

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gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Hi dave- can you describe the flight (w/ comparisons) of the new production discmania control drivers? I really love the power driver, especially in the p plastic. thanks

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flynvegas PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,449	'84 or '85. The XD is still available.

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Tim Red Beard PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Enfield, Connecticut Posts: 11	Dave is there any chance of getting the JK's run again in the type of plastic that the 3X's JK's were run in? I got my hands on a 3X's JK and it's night and day when it comes to the softness and grip of the 3X's vs. the 5X's ones.

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pdiddy71 Community Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lynchburg,va Posts: 178	will the r pro rhynos be stamped "r pro rhynos" or just have the flight numbers on it to identify them? Thanks!