Ask Steve Dodge about Vibram Disc Golf - Page 8

veganray · Jan 19 2010, 03:06 PM

First flight impressions of green Ridge:
Very comfy in the hand. At approach speeds, a pretty darned straight flyer, but I felt myself wanting a little more HSS & a little less LSS to get the laser-straight flightpath I was craving. Much closer to VP than Summit in overall flight, but tends to hyzer-fade where the VP just drops straight out of the sky. The softer X-Link really shines for putting. It seemed to agree with my slight anny touch putting style & I made more than my share of 25-40 footers. Distance control was a little sketchy on longer 50-80 footers, but (for now) I attribute that to unfamiliarity. A good ca$h finder, with three Tiki aces on the night.

More flight impressions of green Ridge:
There's definitely a "sweet spot" there for a beeyooteeful arrow-straight 180-foot approach, but it is tantalizingly small. A little too much snap & it'll turn over to stay & a little too little & it'll gently hyzer out. For me, that "sweet spot" seems to lie right on the border between a firm huck & a touch shot, so it is hard for me to dial it in.

For putting, I'm really liking this disc. The softer X-Link material allows for some sinking in of the fingers, which I really need for good putting touch. It seems to have good carry, as I was making 35+ foot straddles all weekend & leaving none short (my go-to miss normally). Very confident on <20 foot shorties. Don't think I missed a single one <16 feet all weekend.

20460chase · Jan 19 2010, 04:05 PM

Yeah the feel itself is great. Think mine was frozen for awhile, but now its great. For the most part, Id echo what you reported, I felt the same way and have been throwing them all together. I was hoping for a more straight finishing disc. Havent had a chance to rip it real hard yet. Really like it so far as a putter, but these are lighter than Im used to and I tend to be babying it a bit. Sticking a little better in the chains it seems. I like it though, even the light ones.

Id say it falls in left center more than center field.

StevenDodge · Jan 19 2010, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_VanOver

Hi Steve,
Is there any chance of any of the three discs being run under 160g for players going to the Japan Open?

Good timing on the question. The discs that I tweeted about (http://twitter.com/VibramDiscGolf) were Aaron Ala (the Vibram Disc Golf chemist) cutting up discs - possibly to weigh them / determine their specific gravity. I saw one as low as 161 grams.

How low can Aaron go? or a better question, how low can Aaron go before the Japan Open?

vadiscgolf · Jan 19 2010, 07:04 PM

This is the one for me, I'm using the gray firm version and it is what I've been wanting all along. Keep in mind I'm only using them for putting only. To me it gets carry like a dx aviar with the stability of a lightly seasoned kc aviar. A very affective putter at all ranges, its straight with a slight hyzer fade that's predictable. I've tested all the vibram putters and this is a must get, you wont be sorry.

two5twosix9 · Jan 20 2010, 10:13 PM

I just got my ridges, putted a bit, and threw a few approaches from about 80-100ft. I like the flight as a putter even though I had a hard time finding a consistant release (much more flat than my preferred KCs). The ridge is nice as an approach disc and seems to sit nicely. I loved the disc for sidearm flick approaches, big anhyzers are money with the ridge. I look forward to getting them out to an open field.

When do you plan on working on some mids? The shape, feel, and flight of each putter leaves me drooling at the potential vibram has to make some amazing midranges.

Thanks,
Chris Waugh

two5twosix9 · Jan 22 2010, 02:59 AM

I took to the fields and was pretty impressed with the overall flight of the ridge.
I have a dark green 174 and a black 173. The green is a bit more overstable than the black.
Hyzers stayed hyzered, throwing flat kept it straight, and anhyzers floated softly holding the turn.
There is a bit of HSS that keeps the disc from getting flat from a hyzer release or rolling over when thrown flat. But of course if you crush it over it will turn.
I was getting into it and couldn't get much of a straight, flat flight from a hyzer release. It would come out hyzer, hold the hyzer line continue straight and fall off at about 250-275 without much glide.
Throwing flat and out, not over, kept a nice straight controlable flight about 265-290. If I let it go a bit early it would finish on a slight hyzer angle. Never rolled it over.
Big distance line anhyzers are fun with the ridge. The disc can handle some torque, not as much as a VP but it will continue over and straight easier than the VP. Trying to get some distance out of it I was throwing high with plenty of anhyzer angle. Both discs would hold a consistant turn fighting to flat as they slowed down ending around 300-330. I did roll the black one over once but it still tried to fight out.
I loved the disc for touch sidearms. Very, very easy to control.
I haven't spent too much time putting with it but the few times i did putt with it it flew well. Held a line well with a good LS come back. Pop it out flat or a bit anhyzer and it will come back at the chains.

Not too shabby. Anybody looking for a consistant putter should check it out.

dgdave · Jan 22 2010, 09:05 AM

When a Wizard dreams, it dreams it was a Ridge.

gippy · Jan 22 2010, 03:26 PM

How do I get one?

two5twosix9 · Jan 23 2010, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gippy

How do I get one?

The ridges being discussed are protos for testing purposes. They are not officially released as of yet. The only way to get one is to be patient.

StevenDodge · Jan 23 2010, 12:16 PM

If testing keeps going in a good direction, these should be released in the Spring.

two5twosix9 · Jan 23 2010, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenDodge

If testing keeps going in a good direction, these should be released in the Spring.

The flight of this disc is pretty freakn sweet.

MIDS, BRING ON THE MIDS!
A faster version of the ridge could rival any midrange on the market, and in the Xlink plastic, my goodness. Please, please, please, bring the mids.
Thank you.

gippy · Jan 23 2010, 08:43 PM

Any one wanna part with one or two Im loving my VPs and Summits.

Steve,
What plastic is the Stone VPs? they are stiffer than any others I have I have the Navy ones and 2 Proto As
Can I get a run down on the X Xlink and others Ive heard of 24LB etc.?

shteev · Jan 24 2010, 04:52 AM

have summits....

gippy · Jan 25 2010, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shteev

have summits....

Shoulda said does any one wanna part with a ridge or 2? I love my other Vibram Discs

20460chase · Jan 26 2010, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgdave

When a Wizard dreams, it dreams it was a Ridge.

I dunno, maybe dreams about this awesome plastic, but flight wise- same thing for me.

veganray · Jan 26 2010, 10:27 AM

Speaking of awesome plastic (or, rather, rubber), I just received an unexpected package in the mail from Vibram containing a Summit in a prototype of what they call "X-Link Soft Eco" rubber. It is as flexy (if not flexier) than my beloved "rubber vomit" VPs & is possibly the grippiest disc I have ever felt. Smells like a tire store. I'm gonna go hit the Tiki links this afternoon for an extended testing session.

Just sitting here at my desk holding & flexing it is giving me a semi. If a blend such as this makes it into production, y'all soft, floppy putter fans are gonna LOVE it.

veganray · Jan 26 2010, 11:19 AM

NOHalfFastPull · Jan 26 2010, 03:31 PM

Nice wedding ring ink!

veganray · Jan 26 2010, 03:41 PM

Thx. Wife has brushed golden ring of exactly same shape. As the photo shows, it could use a touchup (being over 12 years old now & in a hi-abrasion area).

J_VanOver · Jan 28 2010, 02:38 PM

I went out and threw during my lunch break today and found that I had difficulty seeing my proto green Ridge. I was throwing all of the proto discs starting with the XP, then Ridge and finishing with the Summit. They were all landing where they should be in their stability but I kept having to take an extra few minutes to locate the Ridges in the grass. Even though I knew about where they were. I throw a lot of upshots with my putters instead of using mids and I may find this aggrevating in the summer having to constantly search for it when the Kentucky Bluegrass is really green and is about the same color as this disc.

J_VanOver · Jan 28 2010, 02:42 PM

The disc that Veganray has is sick! I used to throw SSS Wizards that I had beat into almost a floppy putter. It took a lot of work to switch to the Summit from them. I would love to try one of those eco summits.

I have an old Nerf frisbee that I can fold in half like that. Crazy understable as I can almost get it to barrell roll if I throw it high enough.

drdisc · Jan 28 2010, 11:23 PM

Blowfly?

dgdave · Jan 29 2010, 08:18 AM

I just got in one of those Eco Summits. Softer than a Blowfly.

gippy · Jan 29 2010, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgdave

I just got in one of those Eco Summits. Softer than a Blowfly.

Thats Crazy don't think id like that Sure some will. Pretty Sweet Vibram is doing Eco already. Or is ECHO? LOL

shteev · Jan 29 2010, 09:26 AM

i need an eco summit! bad!

dgdave · Jan 29 2010, 03:29 PM

How floppy do you want your disc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFerUgpS_rw

dgdave · Feb 01 2010, 04:20 PM

Here's a vid review of all 3 discs. Sorry for the bad camera angle and not being able to see the full flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYi57iatI7Q

walker · Feb 02 2010, 01:34 AM

i definitely want an ECO Vibram disc. Currently in love with the rubber/plastic on the softer ridges.

Hey Vegan, I also have a tattooed wedding ring. I've never seen anybody else with one, until now.

shteev · Feb 02 2010, 04:19 PM

i knew some people who got married and got their ink rings one day and were no longer married the next. ouch twice.

veganray · Feb 02 2010, 04:55 PM

That's part of the deal. Marriage off = finger off. I'm quite serious.

Jan 19 2010, 04:05 PM	#212
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,086	Yeah the feel itself is great. Think mine was frozen for awhile, but now its great. For the most part, Id echo what you reported, I felt the same way and have been throwing them all together. I was hoping for a more straight finishing disc. Havent had a chance to rip it real hard yet. Really like it so far as a putter, but these are lighter than Im used to and I tend to be babying it a bit. Sticking a little better in the chains it seems. I like it though, even the light ones. Id say it falls in left center more than center field. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Jan 19 2010, 07:04 PM	#214
vadiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Grange Posts: 183	Proto Ridge This is the one for me, I'm using the gray firm version and it is what I've been wanting all along. Keep in mind I'm only using them for putting only. To me it gets carry like a dx aviar with the stability of a lightly seasoned kc aviar. A very affective putter at all ranges, its straight with a slight hyzer fade that's predictable. I've tested all the vibram putters and this is a must get, you wont be sorry.

Jan 23 2010, 12:16 PM	#220
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	If testing keeps going in a good direction, these should be released in the Spring. __________________ Vibram Disc Golf updates: http://twitter.com/vibramdiscgolf

Jan 28 2010, 02:38 PM	#230
J_VanOver Community Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 57	Green Disc Troubles I went out and threw during my lunch break today and found that I had difficulty seeing my proto green Ridge. I was throwing all of the proto discs starting with the XP, then Ridge and finishing with the Summit. They were all landing where they should be in their stability but I kept having to take an extra few minutes to locate the Ridges in the grass. Even though I knew about where they were. I throw a lot of upshots with my putters instead of using mids and I may find this aggrevating in the summer having to constantly search for it when the Kentucky Bluegrass is really green and is about the same color as this disc.

Jan 28 2010, 11:23 PM	#232
drdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Birmingham, AL. Posts: 344	Blowfly? __________________ DrDisc/033

Jan 19 2010, 03:06 PM	#211
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	First flight impressions of green Ridge: Very comfy in the hand. At approach speeds, a pretty darned straight flyer, but I felt myself wanting a little more HSS & a little less LSS to get the laser-straight flightpath I was craving. Much closer to VP than Summit in overall flight, but tends to hyzer-fade where the VP just drops straight out of the sky. The softer X-Link really shines for putting. It seemed to agree with my slight anny touch putting style & I made more than my share of 25-40 footers. Distance control was a little sketchy on longer 50-80 footers, but (for now) I attribute that to unfamiliarity. A good ca$h finder, with three Tiki aces on the night. More flight impressions of green Ridge: There's definitely a "sweet spot" there for a beeyooteeful arrow-straight 180-foot approach, but it is tantalizingly small. A little too much snap & it'll turn over to stay & a little too little & it'll gently hyzer out. For me, that "sweet spot" seems to lie right on the border between a firm huck & a touch shot, so it is hard for me to dial it in. For putting, I'm really liking this disc. The softer X-Link material allows for some sinking in of the fingers, which I really need for good putting touch. It seems to have good carry, as I was making 35+ foot straddles all weekend & leaving none short (my go-to miss normally). Very confident on <20 foot shorties. Don't think I missed a single one <16 feet all weekend.

Jan 20 2010, 10:13 PM	#215
two5twosix9 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 135	I just got my ridges, putted a bit, and threw a few approaches from about 80-100ft. I like the flight as a putter even though I had a hard time finding a consistant release (much more flat than my preferred KCs). The ridge is nice as an approach disc and seems to sit nicely. I loved the disc for sidearm flick approaches, big anhyzers are money with the ridge. I look forward to getting them out to an open field. When do you plan on working on some mids? The shape, feel, and flight of each putter leaves me drooling at the potential vibram has to make some amazing midranges. Thanks, Chris Waugh

Jan 22 2010, 02:59 AM	#216
two5twosix9 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 135	I took to the fields and was pretty impressed with the overall flight of the ridge. I have a dark green 174 and a black 173. The green is a bit more overstable than the black. Hyzers stayed hyzered, throwing flat kept it straight, and anhyzers floated softly holding the turn. There is a bit of HSS that keeps the disc from getting flat from a hyzer release or rolling over when thrown flat. But of course if you crush it over it will turn. I was getting into it and couldn't get much of a straight, flat flight from a hyzer release. It would come out hyzer, hold the hyzer line continue straight and fall off at about 250-275 without much glide. Throwing flat and out, not over, kept a nice straight controlable flight about 265-290. If I let it go a bit early it would finish on a slight hyzer angle. Never rolled it over. Big distance line anhyzers are fun with the ridge. The disc can handle some torque, not as much as a VP but it will continue over and straight easier than the VP. Trying to get some distance out of it I was throwing high with plenty of anhyzer angle. Both discs would hold a consistant turn fighting to flat as they slowed down ending around 300-330. I did roll the black one over once but it still tried to fight out. I loved the disc for touch sidearms. Very, very easy to control. I haven't spent too much time putting with it but the few times i did putt with it it flew well. Held a line well with a good LS come back. Pop it out flat or a bit anhyzer and it will come back at the chains. Not too shabby. Anybody looking for a consistant putter should check it out.

Jan 22 2010, 09:05 AM	#217
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	When a Wizard dreams, it dreams it was a Ridge.

Jan 22 2010, 03:26 PM	#218
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	How do I get one?

Jan 23 2010, 08:43 PM	#222
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	Any one wanna part with one or two Im loving my VPs and Summits. Steve, What plastic is the Stone VPs? they are stiffer than any others I have I have the Navy ones and 2 Proto As Can I get a run down on the X Xlink and others Ive heard of 24LB etc.?

Jan 24 2010, 04:52 AM	#223
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	have summits....

Jan 26 2010, 10:27 AM	#226
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	Speaking of awesome plastic (or, rather, rubber), I just received an unexpected package in the mail from Vibram containing a Summit in a prototype of what they call "X-Link Soft Eco" rubber. It is as flexy (if not flexier) than my beloved "rubber vomit" VPs & is possibly the grippiest disc I have ever felt. Smells like a tire store. I'm gonna go hit the Tiki links this afternoon for an extended testing session. Just sitting here at my desk holding & flexing it is giving me a semi. If a blend such as this makes it into production, y'all soft, floppy putter fans are gonna LOVE it.

Jan 26 2010, 11:19 AM	#227
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177

Jan 26 2010, 03:31 PM	#228
NOHalfFastPull PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 2 M below sea level Posts: 246	Nice wedding ring ink!

Jan 26 2010, 03:41 PM	#229
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	Thx. Wife has brushed golden ring of exactly same shape. As the photo shows, it could use a touchup (being over 12 years old now & in a hi-abrasion area).

Jan 28 2010, 02:42 PM	#231
J_VanOver Community Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 57	The disc that Veganray has is sick! I used to throw SSS Wizards that I had beat into almost a floppy putter. It took a lot of work to switch to the Summit from them. I would love to try one of those eco summits. I have an old Nerf frisbee that I can fold in half like that. Crazy understable as I can almost get it to barrell roll if I throw it high enough.

Jan 29 2010, 08:18 AM	#233
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	I just got in one of those Eco Summits. Softer than a Blowfly.

Jan 29 2010, 09:26 AM	#235
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	i need an eco summit! bad!

Jan 29 2010, 03:29 PM	#236
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	How floppy do you want your disc? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFerUgpS_rw

Feb 01 2010, 04:20 PM	#237
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	Here's a vid review of all 3 discs. Sorry for the bad camera angle and not being able to see the full flight. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYi57iatI7Q

Feb 02 2010, 01:34 AM	#238
walker PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 76	i definitely want an ECO Vibram disc. Currently in love with the rubber/plastic on the softer ridges. Hey Vegan, I also have a tattooed wedding ring. I've never seen anybody else with one, until now.

Feb 02 2010, 04:19 PM	#239
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	i knew some people who got married and got their ink rings one day and were no longer married the next. ouch twice.

Feb 02 2010, 04:55 PM	#240
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	That's part of the deal. Marriage off = finger off. I'm quite serious.

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