Ask Chuck Kennedy

[exczar]

Originally Posted by cholly

Other than that, it was ran very well. Quick awards, etc, great course. Fun time.

"Other than that"; reminds me of:

"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?"

[paul]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

I'll have Roger take a look but there's nothing that looks unusual with the ratings for the pro pool at first glance other than the SSA for the second round is 3 shots lower for what you say was just a 40 foot shorter course.

This isn't worth bothering? Just asking, "no" is an acceptable response -- c'est la vie.

-Wharton

[cgkdisc]

Roger took a look and it was an odd combination of factors. I think he's looking at an adjustment. The Masters played the way you would expect but the Open shot 6 throws better on average in R2 with just a slightly shorter course. These kinds of things can happen every once in a while when you only have a small group of propagators.

[sammyshaheen]

Chuck
I know you get asked this all the time but this thread
is too long to read through every post.

Are the round ratings for the Savannah Open
going to be included in the January update?

The results have been posted online.

Thanks

[cgkdisc]

No 2010 events are processed in the 2009 yearend ratings update being posted next week. First ratings for 2010 events won't be until late March. Here are the planned ratings updates this year.

March 23rd
May 4th
June 22nd
July 20th
Aug 31st
October 19th
December 14th
January 25th, 2011 (2010 Yearend wrap-up)

[boobs]

Ratings:
early, late or on time?
thanks

[cgkdisc]

Posted tomorrow.

[boobs]

thanks

[DSproAVIAR]

congrats on getting back up past 1000, boobs.

[boobs]

Thanks man!

[paul]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Roger took a look and it was an odd combination of factors. I think he's looking at an adjustment. The Masters played the way you would expect but the Open shot 6 throws better on average in R2 with just a slightly shorter course. These kinds of things can happen every once in a while when you only have a small group of propagators.

Thanks Chuck -- that seems much more better/fair/right now on the ratings for the Vineland Open -- take care!

-Wharton

[sammyshaheen]

Chuck
It would be nice if players location (city and state) stayed
up after score were posted. That way you could see what
players are local and which are out of towners.


Just another stat to look at.

[cgkdisc]

All good ideas but I have no control over the website displays. We haven't been able to get things done on the displays that were suggested 5 years ago yet. Maybe this year now that the website underpinnings have been revamped. You can always click on the player to see their location but I know that's not as easy.

[sammyshaheen]

In my opinion stats should always
have room in the budget.

That is one of the many reasons ball
golf is so popular. STATS.

Keep fighting for the numbers Chuck.

[dischick]

Chuck,
I was looking at some scores from a recent tournament. I noticed a couple of people had shot the same score for both rounds, but yet they were rated differently.... can you explain this one?

[cgkdisc]

If it's a tournament during 2010, those results are unofficial. Ratings are calculated separately based on the scores in each round for unofficial ratings so they will vary. When we get the tournament report and process them officially, all rounds played on the same layout will end up with the same rating for the same score. It surprises me the people expect ratings to be the same from round to round because course conditions (and thus its difficulty) are always somewhat different even if the changes are subtle and the wind is "identical." For example, the lighting (sun position, clouds) on the course is automatically different which can make some holes more or less difficult than in the morning round. Sticks and stones on the ground are in different positions, the grass has grown, dew has dried, etc.

[dischick]

Thanks for the reply.... I just did not know how it all worked. It would make sense for ratings to differ from round to round IF the conditions dramatically change. But, when the conditions are for the most part the same is what I was interested in. Thanks.

[cgkdisc]

My point is that it's impossible for the conditions to ever be the same from round to round. How small is a small change? Ten rating points are only a 1% difference and the course differences can easily be in that range. The funny thing is that courses don't seem to play that much different in the dark based on ratings from sanctioned glow rounds. The trees must not be as intimidating when you can't see them to worry about avoiding them.

[mitchjustice]

Chuck...where can i find a link to disc golf world records...and not the out of date Hoss site...thanks

[cgkdisc]

I don't know if anyone else is doing them. The distance records are on the WFDF site but that's all I know besides the Hosfeld site: http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/index.htm

[mitchjustice]

Thanks...that was the one i needed

[dehaas]

I plan on playing in tournaments the last two weekends of march, and in another tournament may 1...based on these tentative ratings updates, the tournament rounds I play in march will not reflect in my rating come time for the may 1 tourney? So where I stand now is where I will stand in early may, assuming I won't be playing in any tournaments until the end of march? If that makes any sense.

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

No 2010 events are processed in the 2009 yearend ratings update being posted next week. First ratings for 2010 events won't be until late March. Here are the planned ratings updates this year.

March 23rd
May 4th
June 22nd
July 20th
Aug 31st
October 19th
December 14th
January 25th, 2011 (2010 Yearend wrap-up)

[cgkdisc]

Yep.

[Dana]

Another 1100 rated round, this time by Nikko? CS Otter Open R2?

[cgkdisc]

I checked it out. It looks like it will hold up within a point when ratings are done officially in March.

[illyB]

Hey there Chuck. I'm curious as to why there is no penalty for quiting a round because a player is shooting poorly to protect their precious rating. I was in a tourney yesterday and my cardmate who shall remain nameless announced with 5 holes to go that he wasen't going to finish the round, but was going to ace run every hole and simply not putt out on the final hole. Classless no doubt and he's done it many times in the past. Doesn't seem fair to the rest of us who grind it out and finish with honor. His health was not an issue but I'm sure if an official confronted him he would make up something.

[cgkdisc]

What do you think that penalty should be? It's probably better that the player stays with the group rather than walks off as long as they aren't cussing and bringing the group down. It never hurts anyone else if a player dumps a round to "protect" their rating. It actually helps everyone because it's anti-sandbagging since the player may have to play in a division higher than their "real" skill level. What's the downside of that? In the case of sponsored players tryingto protect a rating over 1000, the manufacturers are now aware of checking the stats to see if an yof their players are DNFing to maintain it.

Some may not be aware that disciplinary action has been taken on some players who had been reported as chronic DNFers.

[illyB]

I don't know what the penalty should be. I'm not on the board. I just think it makes the sport look bad and not professional when someone doesn't finish because they aren't playing well. The ratings should reflect that imo.

[cgkdisc]

Why would you drop someone's rating so they could potentially play in a lower division than their skill? If that was the policy, then it would encourage the behavior even more since people could just drop their rating by dumping rounds. They can't do that now. They're actually getting their penalty by paying their entry fee, not completing their round or completing it well and being in contention for prizes. That's one more prize for another player. Everything we've done with the ratings process is biased toward preventing sandbagging. The only thing unprofessional is if the player is kicking their bag and/or cussing. In that case, they can be DQ'd and potentially reported to the PDGA for possible disciplinary action.

[sammyshaheen]

I think when a player gets to around 20%
of rounds not finished a penalty should be
issued.

In my opinion a one year suspension should
be issued.