Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by ChrisEads

I know a while back we talked about how you were planning on making the pro aviar in a plastic similar to what the pro pig is made in.
I throw the KC pro aviar and love everything about this disc esp. the BIG bead and I must have this bead on a disc to be able to putt with it.
My biggest problem is that during cold days these discs become very slick and very hard to putt with, and I get very tired of licking my fingers to get grip.
Can you please update me with some more info on when you plan on making this aviar in the pro pig plastic.
Thanks a bunch.

I haven't gotten to it yet. The next time we have the big bead mold in, I will definitely try it, and run it if it works. I have already had a successful test with the stiffer R-Pro in Rocs. The only questions is...is it moldable in a big bead. That means...can it be de-molded, (taken out of the mold easily), and will it form up properly.

[davei]

Originally Posted by AviarX

Prior to the first release of the Aurora MS, would a disc with a Roc top and Stingray wing be the original/pre-release Aurora MS?

That mold was first used for DGAs Pro model. It was a really good disc that didn't sell. DGA numbered them 1,2,3. Two and three were "factored". This was a similar to the thing DGA did with the Stingray, which was moderately successful.

[Lyle O Ross]

Are there any plans to produce the stingray in champion again?

[davei]

Originally Posted by Lyle O Ross

Are there any plans to produce the stingray in champion again?

Yes, at some point not yet determined. We may even try a new type Stingray with less low speed fade.

[chrispfrisbee]

Originally Posted by Lyle O Ross

Are there any plans to produce the stingray in champion again?

Mark at DG Values had some Champion Stingrays stamped up along with some 11X Glow TeeBirds, not TLs.

Check it!

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...&productId=364

[gippy]

Originally Posted by davei

Yes, at some point not yet determined. We may even try a new type Stingray with less low speed fade.

Why would you do that? I think stingray throwers like that low speed fade. But I don't throw Stingrays. JMO

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Why would you do that? I think stingray throwers like that low speed fade. But I don't throw Stingrays. JMO

I probably should have said: A new disc like the Stingray. I did not mean to imply that I would change the Stingray.

[thenatureboy68]

Hey Dave,

Will you consider to make Champion Gazelle again?? like CFR? I prefer stiff not gummy...

[davei]

Originally Posted by thenatureboy68

Hey Dave,

Will you consider to make Champion Gazelle again?? like CFR? I prefer stiff not gummy...

Yes, and most like for CFR. As soon as we can.

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by davei

There are two conflicting descriptions. Stingray top and Innova bottom means nothing. Roc top with Stingray wing could be one of two different discs. Aurora or DGA Pro for one, and potentially a rarer disc that I don't recall the name of that was similar to a second generation Hammer without a bead.

Is that the "2500" or whatever I see online occasionally? I got one but it was actually a Proto Shark, the seller just wasnt sure as it was blank.

[davei]

Originally Posted by 20460chase

Is that the "2500" or whatever I see online occasionally? I got one but it was actually a Proto Shark, the seller just wasnt sure as it was blank.

The 2500 is definitely something like that. It was something like a 2nd generation Hammer/Stingray or 3rd generation Hammer/Viper.

[healage]

Originally Posted by davei

The Sentinel used to be, or maybe still is a favorite of Steve Brinster.

Still is. Only the Q though, he has at least 3 in the bag.

[JerryChesterson]

Champ Glow Leopard, any plans to make one?

[junky]

Are Scorpions still in production?

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by junky

Are Scorpions still in production?

Not for awhile. Quite awhile. You can still find them at most Play It Again Sports...used.

[davei]

Originally Posted by JerryChesterson

Champ Glow Leopard, any plans to make one?

It would be for CFR.

[davei]

Originally Posted by junky

Are Scorpions still in production?

As Chase said, the mold is not in current production. The mold still exists
and could be run in the future. It is a 187gm max disc.

[JerryChesterson]

Originally Posted by JerryChesterson

Champ Glow Leopard, any plans to make one?

Originally Posted by davei

It would be for CFR.

Sweet. I know lots of people would be interested in glow mold of one of the straightest flying easiest throwing discs of all time!

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by JerryChesterson

Champ Glow Leopard, any plans to make one?

leopards in champ glow would be amazing.
any though to making an echo leopard?
Why is it echo and not eco?
Thanks

[chrispfrisbee]

Originally Posted by thenatureboy68

Hey Dave,

Will you consider to make Champion Gazelle again?? like CFR? I prefer stiff not gummy...

Once again,

Mark at DG Values has Champion Gazelles. Gummy and stiff.

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...&productId=355

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...&productId=354

[dstearns5]

Dave,
I'm noticing that the newest Destroyers are marked S-DS, rather than *DS, and the older S/DS. What is the difference? It seems to me that these newer ones are more stable and have a slightly bigger dome.

[listen2bob]

Originally Posted by dstearns5

Dave,
I'm noticing that the newest Destroyers are marked S-DS, rather than *DS, and the older S/DS. What is the difference? It seems to me that these newer ones are more stable and have a slightly bigger dome.

Please, big disc man in the sky, let the answer to this question be that they are stabilized like the star nightshift so I can stop trying to collect all 122 of them.

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by listen2bob

Please, big disc man in the sky, let the answer to this question be that they are stabilized like the star nightshift so I can stop trying to collect all 122 of them.

The echo destroyers are the most amazing destroyers ever made. Not quite as stable as the nightshift but pretty close with much more glide. Mine go further and are much easier to throw than my bosses.

[dgdave]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

leopards in champ glow would be amazing.
any though to making an echo leopard?
Why is it echo and not eco?
Thanks

There have been green echo Leos out for about the last year or so

[grizzly09]

Hey Dave,

I was wondering if you guys still make the 'Throw Art' line.

Here's what I'm talking about: http://www.innovadiscs.com/downloads...olorupdate.jpg

I would just like to know how I could purchase some.

Thanks,
rizbee_jr

[AviarX]

World Distance records, Open division, Progressive (meters)

1970 Victor Malafronte USA 84.10* Wham-O Professional Model
1970 Bob May USA 85.04* Wham-O Professional Model **
1974 Kirkland, John USA 83.23 Wham-O Professional Model **
1974 Victor Malafronte USA 114.30* CPI All Star
1974 Dave Johnson USA 115.20* CPI All Star
1975 Dave Johnson USA 88.67*** Wham-O Professional Model
1976 Dave Johnson USA 125.57 Wham-O 119g
1978 John Kirkland USA 135.30 Wham-O/DGA Night Flyer 40 **
1980 Dave Dunipace USA 139.63* Wham-O/DGA Midnight Flyer 41, 141g
1980 Van Miller USA 142.90* Brand X (40X), 172g
1980 Tetsuro Arita JPN 152.40 Wham-O Fastback **
1982 Pål Broström SWE 152.45 Wham-O/DGA Midnight Flyer 70c
1983 Marten Sandorf DEN 166.42 Wham-O/Farusa Midnight Sun 70c
1984 Frank Aquilera USA 167.88 Innova-Champion Aero
1987 Michael Canci AUS 186.83 Lightning P38
1988 Sam Ferrans USA 190.07 Innova Phenix, 176g
1993 Peter Albers USA 193.58 Innova Viper
1993 Niclas Bergehamm SWE 197.38 Innova Viper, 179g
1995 Scott Stokley USA 200.01 Discraft X-clone, 169g
1998 Scott Stokley USA 211.32 Discraft XL, 169g
2001 Chris Voigt GER 217.05 Discraft XS, 170g
2002 Ken Jarvis USA 247.00 Innova DX Teebird
2002 Christian Sandström SWE 250.00 Innova DX Valkyrie, 168g
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* These results are for some reason not included in the WFDF archive list on the
early world records, but are documented in other places that can be regarded as
credible.
** It's not 100% verified which discs were used for these results. I've got
comments like "I think…" or "I'm almost certain that…" from players with
memories of the early records. Unfortunately the discs used are not part of
the official archives.
*** This result is included in the WFDF record list. Dave Johnson himself has
told me that this actually was an indoor record. Set with a Wham-O World Class
119g in the Los Angeles Convention center in connection with the 1975 World
Frisbee Championships.
This list researched and compiled by area46–the frisbee/flying disc zone:

http://www.area46.se

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hey Dave -- there was no such thing as champion plastic in 1984 so it was an Innova DX Aero that Frank Aquilera threw 167.88 meters (550 ft) -- yes? ...how far would you guess your out-of-bounds throw went that year?

Also, it has been 8 years since Sandstrom set the present record. What disc(s) do you think have the best potential to break it?

[grizzly09]

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hey Dave -- there was no such thing as champion plastic in 1984 so it was an Innova DX Aero that Frank Aquilera threw 167.88 meters (550 ft) -- yes? ...how far would you guess your out-of-bounds throw went that year?

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It was DX-like plastic the Aero was made of. But Innova started out as 'Champion Discs'. Then they changed their name to 'Innova-Champion Discs'. In 1984, I think DX was the only kind of plastic. So, "Innova-Champion" was the term used for the brand.

I think this is correct. Dave?

[mf100forever]

[QUOTE=grizzly09;1408038]

Originally Posted by AviarX

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hey Dave -- there was no such thing as champion plastic in 1984 so it was an Innova DX Aero that Frank Aquilera threw 167.88 meters (550 ft) -- yes? ...how far would you guess your out-of-bounds throw went that year?

QUOTE]

It was DX-like plastic the Aero was made of. But Innova started out as 'Champion Discs'. Then they changed their name to 'Innova-Champion Discs'. In 1984, I think DX was the only kind of plastic. So, "Innova-Champion" was the term used for the brand.

I think this is correct. Dave?

I am not Dave D, but you are correct.

[davei]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

leopards in champ glow would be amazing.
any though to making an echo leopard?
Why is it echo and not eco?
Thanks

The Leopard is a candidate for Echo. We changed the name from Eco to Echo because we didn't want to confuse anyone as to the origin. Echo is post production and mostly pre-consumer recycled plastic. The Eco was associate with post consumer recycling.

[davei]

Originally Posted by dstearns5

Dave,
I'm noticing that the newest Destroyers are marked S-DS, rather than *DS, and the older S/DS. What is the difference? It seems to me that these newer ones are more stable and have a slightly bigger dome.

The *and S markings are both used and mean the same thing. The differences in the discs can be attributed to variations from run to run.