Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave, one of the greatest things about the Rancho Roc is that predictable LS fade. If I wanted to throw something without that fade, I'd throw a Coyote or Buzz or something. Please please please don't quit running the Rancho in dx.

We are definitely not discontinuing the Rancho Roc or any other current Rocs. We will make DX Roc in the new mold also and see which one sells. This new Roc is definitely more over stable than the Coyote or even the Ontario Roc.

[Furthur]

Originally Posted by davei

We are definitely not discontinuing the Rancho Roc or any other current Rocs. We will make DX Roc in the new mold also and see which one sells. This new Roc is definitely more over stable than the Coyote or even the Ontario Roc.

That's great to hear.

I know this was a while ago (2005 to be exact), but how much of the flight will be like the 2005 Special Blend "Ontario like" mold? I remember that disc being very straight with minimal fade.

[gokayaksteven]

how will you differentiate the molds in the dx runs? I suggest making it easy for people to tell the difference btw a dx rancho and a dx "new" roc.
good luck with this one.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Furthur

That's great to hear.

I know this was a while ago (2005 to be exact), but how much of the flight will be like the 2005 Special Blend "Ontario like" mold? I remember that disc being very straight with minimal fade.

This one is more over stable. It definitely has some fade, just not quite as much as a regular Rancho.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

how will you differentiate the molds in the dx runs? I suggest making it easy for people to tell the difference btw a dx rancho and a dx "new" roc.
good luck with this one.

There will be four ways to tell the difference. The engraving is on a larger diameter, though it does say Rancho Cucamonga. The mark under the disc will be R+, instead of just R, the nose will be a little rounder, and it will feel a little different in your hand. If you don't know Rocs, you might not be able to tell the difference, but if you do, it will be no problem.

[gippy]

Sounds like a broke in Rancho or should I say KC Pro?

[sprdgr]

When will this new SanTario Roc be available? Will it have a separate name? ahem, cough cough!

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Sounds like a broke in Rancho or should I say KC Pro?

That might be fair to say for the Stars. DX might run more over stable. We will have to see.

[davei]

Originally Posted by sprdgr

When will this new SanTario Roc be available? Will it have a separate name? ahem, cough cough!

We haven't thought through all the details yet, but, as it stands, we are running Star Rocs. We are marking a R+ on the bottom to easily identify the mold, but probably will just have a Star Roc stamp on top.

It will take at least two weeks to make enough to ship to the East Coast. Shipping, hot stamping, etc will take a week or so more. Proabably no sooner than March.

[gippy]

Will you make the R+ in champion Plastic?

[flynvegas]

Champion Roc's should be for USDGC only.

[cholly]

Hi Dave.

I just signed up for Japan and need some light discs. I ordered a few Katanas and Monarchs, but still need a more overstable driver as close to 159.9 as possible. What do you suggest? And where might I be able to find a few of whatever that may be?

Thanks,

Scott

[rizbee]

Hi Dave - I threw one of our Golden Sombrero Star Makos yesterday and found it to be a very straight flyer with very minimal fade, just as promised. I passed it around to several other players and the reviews were all the same. Right now the Mako weights only go as low as 167g - any chance that you'll run the Mako in Star-Lite? Thanx!!

[davei]

Originally Posted by cholly

Hi Dave.

I just signed up for Japan and need some light discs. I ordered a few Katanas and Monarchs, but still need a more overstable driver as close to 159.9 as possible. What do you suggest? And where might I be able to find a few of whatever that may be?

Thanks,

Scott

Sam at herodisc.com might be able to help you. Firebirds, TeeBirds, Eagles, Banshees, and possibly Starfires go down to 159gms in Champion and Star plastics. Most models go down to 159 in DX.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Will you make the R+ in champion Plastic?

The USDGC has the inside track on that.

[davei]

Originally Posted by rizbee

Hi Dave - I threw one of our Golden Sombrero Star Makos yesterday and found it to be a very straight flyer with very minimal fade, just as promised. I passed it around to several other players and the reviews were all the same. Right now the Mako weights only go as low as 167g - any chance that you'll run the Mako in Star-Lite? Thanx!!

I don't believe we will be running the Mako in Star-Lite. We can run the Mako in lighter weights in Champion and Star, we just have not chosen to at this point.

[rizbee]

Originally Posted by davei

I don't believe we will be running the Mako in Star-Lite. We can run the Mako in lighter weights in Champion and Star, we just have not chosen to at this point.

Please choose to! I would love to have that ultra-straight flight in a lighter weight so I could have more glide. Thanks!

[dgdave]

Is the Rancho mold roc staying in regular production in DX?

[davei]

Originally Posted by dgdave

Is the Rancho mold roc staying in regular production in DX?

Yes

[gokayaksteven]

thought this was funny enough to share:

overheard on a course in 2025 wrote:
...and then the Great Roc Panic of '10 hit, and disc golfers all over the country were jumpin' out of buildings and whatnot. Not very high ones. Lotta sprains that year. I remember people standing on corners, asking if you could spare half a point of low speed stability. Those were hard times, hard times.

[MattyInRR]

Originally Posted by davei

We are definitely not discontinuing the Rancho Roc or any other current Rocs. We will make DX Roc in the new mold also and see which one sells. This new Roc is definitely more over stable than the Coyote or even the Ontario Roc.

:-D

[JHBlader86]

Dave, I dont feel like going through the thread, but one of the vendors here just got in some Echo TeeBirds and am wondering how stable they are compared to the 12x Champ. TeeBirds.

[davei]

Originally Posted by JHBlader86

Dave, I dont feel like going through the thread, but one of the vendors here just got in some Echo TeeBirds and am wondering how stable they are compared to the 12x Champ. TeeBirds.

I didn't throw them, but usually Echo Star is as stable and sometimes more stable than Star.

[gokayaksteven]

from another forum:
I think they should add a "+" to the hotstamp if they are selling them in DX. Is that too much to ask? Just stamp them "Roc+" and it's easy for everybody to identify.

makes sense to me.

[gdstour]

Hey Dvae I had asked you about this particular discs a long time ago, does this description sound correct?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Collector-A...#ht_1101wt_939

[davei]

Originally Posted by gdstour

Hey Dvae I had asked you about this particular discs a long time ago, does this description sound correct?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Collector-A...#ht_1101wt_939

There are two conflicting descriptions. Stingray top and Innova bottom means nothing. Roc top with Stingray wing could be one of two different discs. Aurora or DGA Pro for one, and potentially a rarer disc that I don't recall the name of that was similar to a second generation Hammer without a bead.

[gippy]

Think that was suppose to read Roc Top sintray bottom but that discrip is messed up

[ChrisEads]

I know a while back we talked about how you were planning on making the pro aviar in a plastic similar to what the pro pig is made in.
I throw the KC pro aviar and love everything about this disc esp. the BIG bead and I must have this bead on a disc to be able to putt with it.
My biggest problem is that during cold days these discs become very slick and very hard to putt with, and I get very tired of licking my fingers to get grip.
Can you please update me with some more info on when you plan on making this aviar in the pro pig plastic.
Thanks a bunch.

[AviarX]

Originally Posted by davei

Roc top with Stingray wing could be one of two different discs. Aurora or DGA Pro for one, and potentially a rarer disc that I don't recall the name of that was similar to a second generation Hammer without a bead.

Prior to the first release of the Aurora MS, would a disc with a Roc top and Stingray wing be the original/pre-release Aurora MS?

[AviarX]

Originally Posted by ChrisEads

I know a while back we talked about how you were planning on making the pro aviar in a plastic similar to what the pro pig is made in.
I throw the KC pro aviar and love everything about this disc esp. the BIG bead and I must have this bead on a disc to be able to putt with it.
My biggest problem is that during cold days these discs become very slick and very hard to putt with, and I get very tired of licking my fingers to get grip.
Can you please update me with some more info on when you plan on making this aviar in the pro pig plastic.
Thanks a bunch.

for grip or cold weather -- why not use a JK Pro Aviar-x? it is the same mold as the KC Pro Aviar, but entails a softer, grippier plastic