Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 352

LeftyGod · Dec 27 2009, 12:13 AM

Dave, since we didn't get champion RAMS how about ECO STAR RAMS instead.

Is it possible or would they be too heavy?

two5twosix9 · Dec 27 2009, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Echo is a mix of both.

That's what I figured. Have. You tried the plastics by themselves?
The echo stickers on the teebirds are kind of a pain to remove. The discs are sweet, the stickers not so much. Why was it decided that the teebirds would get stickers and the excals and destroyers would not? Nothing to do with extra stickers from the rocs?

davei · Dec 27 2009, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by LeftyGod

Dave, since we didn't get champion RAMS how about ECO STAR RAMS instead.

Is it possible or would they be too heavy?

I believe it is possible.

davei · Dec 27 2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by two5twosix9

That's what I figured. Have. You tried the plastics by themselves?
The echo stickers on the teebirds are kind of a pain to remove. The discs are sweet, the stickers not so much. Why was it decided that the teebirds would get stickers and the excals and destroyers would not? Nothing to do with extra stickers from the rocs?

Sorting by plastic type when recycling would be too difficult. It is done by color, and all colors are mixed. It's actually a pretty tedious job. There are a ton of scrap discs that have to be sorted.

The stickers are to identify Echo from Star. This is necessary for our own packers and hot stampers, not to mention customers. We probably didn't have stickers when we made the Excals and Destroyers.

Trey133 · Dec 30 2009, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trey133

Hey Dave,

Latitude 64 has recently got their new Halo driver down to 164 grams in their opto plastic. Assuming that opto is pretty much champion plastic, what do you think is allowing them to get their driver thats very similar to the boss spec wise down in weight so much?

Whats holding innova up? I'm pretty sure with that speed and weight a champ boss could crush at 164 grams.

I understand if you passed over my question, but i'm still curious.

Thanks,

tokyo · Dec 30 2009, 02:54 PM

Hi, Dave I was wondering about the new additive that you all added to champion discs to make them more stable, i bought a couple new champ orcs and they were very stable, so i was thinking may be I need to go to a beast in stead to have something that will turn a little but was wondering if you made the beast with the new champ plastic and how stable it might be?

thenatureboy68 · Dec 31 2009, 02:52 AM

Hello Dave,

Can you or others help me out...

I have kinda mustard color with blue big star stamp it is very old .. It is large diameter and very stiff made in san marino. I know it is not roc. I compared it to roc .. roc is too thick. so I guess either cobra or hammer? thanks

gippy · Dec 31 2009, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thenatureboy68

Hello Dave,

Can you or others help me out...

I have kinda mustard color with blue big star stamp it is very old .. It is large diameter and very stiff made in san marino. I know it is not roc. I compared it to roc .. roc is too thick. so I guess either cobra or hammer? thanks

Python maybe?

davei · Jan 01 2010, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Trey133

I understand if you passed over my question, but i'm still curious.

Thanks,

Sorry, no clue.

davei · Jan 01 2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by tokyo

Hi, Dave I was wondering about the new additive that you all added to champion discs to make them more stable, i bought a couple new champ orcs and they were very stable, so i was thinking may be I need to go to a beast in stead to have something that will turn a little but was wondering if you made the beast with the new champ plastic and how stable it might be?

We haven't tried it, but it might be a good ideal for a certain type of Champion Beast. Maybe for Barry.

mf100forever · Jan 01 2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by thenatureboy68

Hello Dave,

Can you or others help me out...

I have kinda mustard color with blue big star stamp it is very old .. It is large diameter and very stiff made in san marino. I know it is not roc. I compared it to roc .. roc is too thick. so I guess either cobra or hammer? thanks

natureboy68, what is DDGA, just curios?

davei · Jan 01 2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thenatureboy68

Hello Dave,

Can you or others help me out...

I have kinda mustard color with blue big star stamp it is very old .. It is large diameter and very stiff made in san marino. I know it is not roc. I compared it to roc .. roc is too thick. so I guess either cobra or hammer? thanks

Could be a Hammer.

thenatureboy68 · Jan 01 2010, 03:36 PM

Yes it is hammer > I asked my friend that he has a large diameter hammer and I compared it and it is exactly same. thanks for helping..

DDGA stands for Deaf Disc golf Association. Check out www.ddga.org You prolly read about it in current issue magazine.

ishkatbible · Jan 02 2010, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Could be a Hammer.

is the hammer the same as the hammerhead? i found one of those but i'm afraid to throw it, due to the fact that no one has ever heard of it. even disc golfers i know that collect discs just to have them.

davei · Jan 02 2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ishkatbible

is the hammer the same as the hammerhead? i found one of those but i'm afraid to throw it, due to the fact that no one has ever heard of it. even disc golfers i know that collect discs just to have them.

The Hammerhead came out last. It turned more than the others and was faster. It was more difficult to mold and hot stamp than the Hammers, which were also difficult to mold. It was discontinued after one or two runs.

mf100forever · Jan 03 2010, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

The Hammerhead came out last. It turned more than the others and was faster. It was more difficult to mold and hot stamp than the Hammers, which were also difficult to mold. It was discontinued after one or two runs.

The Hammer head looks like a completely different mold? Or is the top the same?

davei · Jan 03 2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mf100forever

The Hammer head looks like a completely different mold? Or is the top the same?

Top is the same. 180 gm size.

AviarX · Jan 04 2010, 06:08 PM

Hi Dave,

I just acquired a Sirius Sentinel MF and am wondering how you would rate its speed and high speed resistance to turn and low speed fade? I could go throw it, but it is about 5 degrees Fahrenheit here today. What's the temp there?

Assuming you have thrown one in the past decade, or just based on your expertise, is the MF Sentinel more overstable than Champ Rocs? Would you expect Sirius (star) to be less overstable than Q (champ) with this mold?

thanks as always for taking my call. thanks too for the Destroyer. Anything new in the works have that kind of appeal for you or is golf disc evolution finally at a plateau?

20460chase · Jan 05 2010, 05:26 PM

IMO, Yes, more overstable and more low speed fade. Like a beefy Shark or maybe a Battle Glo Roc.

AviarX · Jan 05 2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

IMO, Yes, more overstable and more low speed fade. Like a beefy Shark or maybe a Battle Glo Roc.

thanks for the feedback. i just read Blake's review at www.discgolfreview.com and when he wrote it in 2001, he described the Sentinel MF as the fastest midrange he'd thrown and as possibly the most overstable midrange made.

I'm thinking my preference for Star (Sirius) won't compromise my intention to use this as my overstable mid. the only mid i carry (till now) is the QMS and SMS...

davei · Jan 05 2010, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviarX

Hi Dave,

I just acquired a Sirius Sentinel MF and am wondering how you would rate its speed and high speed resistance to turn and low speed fade? I could go throw it, but it is about 5 degrees Fahrenheit here today. What's the temp there?

Assuming you have thrown one in the past decade, or just based on your expertise, is the MF Sentinel more overstable than Champ Rocs? Would you expect Sirius (star) to be less overstable than Q (champ) with this mold?

thanks as always for taking my call. thanks too for the Destroyer. Anything new in the works have that kind of appeal for you or is golf disc evolution finally at a plateau?

Hey Rob,

The Sentinel is a faster, more overstable mid. I don't know whether the Sirius or Q would be any different. I have only thrown the S, I believe. The Sentinel used to be, or maybe still is a favorite of Steve Brinster.

As far as what's in the works that have appeal to me: the Katana has some nice appeal and so does a new mold Star Roc we are producing now.

AviarX · Jan 05 2010, 10:05 PM

would you expect Pro Orc lovers to like the Katana?

gippy · Jan 05 2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

Hey Rob,

The Sentinel is a faster, more overstable mid. I don't know whether the Sirius or Q would be any different. I have only thrown the S, I believe. The Sentinel used to be, or maybe still is a favorite of Steve Brinster.

As far as what's in the works that have appeal to me: the Katana has some nice appeal and so does a new mold Star Roc we are producing now.

New mold star Roc? Is this differnt from the San Marnio? Whats it gonna be like?

Furthur · Jan 05 2010, 11:22 PM

Dave, will this new mold Roc only be used for Star? I'm wondering if you'll continue to run the dx Roc using the current Rancho mold.

davei · Jan 06 2010, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AviarX

would you expect Pro Orc lovers to like the Katana?

Yes. Not sure which type, but I would guess Star or Champion. The Pro is a little less stable with more glide.

davei · Jan 06 2010, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave, will this new mold Roc only be used for Star? I'm wondering if you'll continue to run the dx Roc using the current Rancho mold.

The new mold Roc will be used for heavy Star Rocs from 174-180. It might be used for heavy Champion, but that has to be determined. It will also be used for R-Pro and DX most likely. Lighter weight Star and Champion will still use the older molds.

The new Roc flies in between an Ontario and San Marino, I think. It has real good high speed stability, but a little less low speed over-stability than a San Marino. Same speed and glide.

dgdave · Jan 06 2010, 09:41 AM

SO will the current Rancho mold be discontinued?

Jgrasseth · Jan 06 2010, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by dgdave

SO will the current Rancho mold be discontinued?

Say it isn't so!

Furthur · Jan 06 2010, 10:55 AM

Dave, one of the greatest things about the Rancho Roc is that predictable LS fade. If I wanted to throw something without that fade, I'd throw a Coyote or Buzz or something. Please please please don't quit running the Rancho in dx.

20460chase · Jan 06 2010, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AviarX

thanks for the feedback. i just read Blake's review at www.discgolfreview.com and when he wrote it in 2001, he described the Sentinel MF as the fastest midrange he'd thrown and as possibly the most overstable midrange made.

I'm thinking my preference for Star (Sirius) won't compromise my intention to use this as my overstable mid. the only mid i carry (till now) is the QMS and SMS...

I used QMS' for a long time. When I couldnt find them in CE anymore I switched. I still think they are the most underappreciated mids out there.

There are alot of Q ( CE from roughly the second/third run ) Sents out there, and if you like the Sirious, Id try to find one. I heard the newers have been tweaked a bit and arent quite as overstable as they used to be, much like the EXP. Shouldnt cost much, a sponsored player told me they still has some left in the wharehouse until earlier this year.

Dec 27 2009, 12:13 AM	#10531
LeftyGod PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: TULSA Posts: 404	Dave, since we didn't get champion RAMS how about ECO STAR RAMS instead. Is it possible or would they be too heavy? __________________ I'd like to thank my sponsors.....Hole #8 and Hole #10 at Blackhawk.

Dec 30 2009, 02:54 PM	#10536
tokyo PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 1,086	Hi, Dave I was wondering about the new additive that you all added to champion discs to make them more stable, i bought a couple new champ orcs and they were very stable, so i was thinking may be I need to go to a beast in stead to have something that will turn a little but was wondering if you made the beast with the new champ plastic and how stable it might be? __________________ SOLSTICE DISC SPORTS http://www.eatsleepdisc.com/

Dec 31 2009, 02:52 AM	#10537
thenatureboy68 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 159	old disc Hello Dave, Can you or others help me out... I have kinda mustard color with blue big star stamp it is very old .. It is large diameter and very stiff made in san marino. I know it is not roc. I compared it to roc .. roc is too thick. so I guess either cobra or hammer? thanks

Jan 05 2010, 05:26 PM	#10549
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	IMO, Yes, more overstable and more low speed fade. Like a beefy Shark or maybe a Battle Glo Roc. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

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Jan 01 2010, 03:36 PM	#10543
thenatureboy68 PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 159	Yes it is hammer > I asked my friend that he has a large diameter hammer and I compared it and it is exactly same. thanks for helping.. DDGA stands for Deaf Disc golf Association. Check out www.ddga.org You prolly read about it in current issue magazine.

Jan 04 2010, 06:08 PM	#10548
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	Hi Dave, I just acquired a Sirius Sentinel MF and am wondering how you would rate its speed and high speed resistance to turn and low speed fade? I could go throw it, but it is about 5 degrees Fahrenheit here today. What's the temp there? Assuming you have thrown one in the past decade, or just based on your expertise, is the MF Sentinel more overstable than Champ Rocs? Would you expect Sirius (star) to be less overstable than Q (champ) with this mold? thanks as always for taking my call. thanks too for the Destroyer. Anything new in the works have that kind of appeal for you or is golf disc evolution finally at a plateau?

Jan 05 2010, 10:05 PM	#10552
AviarX PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: northwest of Indianapolis Posts: 2,504	would you expect Pro Orc lovers to like the Katana?

Jan 05 2010, 11:22 PM	#10554
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Dave, will this new mold Roc only be used for Star? I'm wondering if you'll continue to run the dx Roc using the current Rancho mold.

Jan 06 2010, 09:41 AM	#10557
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	SO will the current Rancho mold be discontinued?

Jan 06 2010, 10:55 AM	#10559
Furthur PDGA Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 776	Dave, one of the greatest things about the Rancho Roc is that predictable LS fade. If I wanted to throw something without that fade, I'd throw a Coyote or Buzz or something. Please please please don't quit running the Rancho in dx.