Ask Steve Dodge about Vibram Disc Golf - Page 7

dgdave · Aug 21 2009, 01:02 PM

Some are the testers, some are the production, some are the early protos from alst year, one is a limited one from the worlds this year. I'm trying to get the black VO ones now. I have the VPs but had to sell them

gippy · Aug 21 2009, 03:55 PM

http://primediscs.com/proddetail.asp...t%2Dvp%2Dcombo

They have both the VP and Summit black with raised lettering only 4 left but $100
I have seen the Black Summit protos on ebay for $40

shteev · Aug 21 2009, 10:50 PM

the VP went for 60 the last time it was available on primediscs.com

gippy · Aug 23 2009, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shteev

the VP went for 60 the last time it was available on primediscs.com

Its bot the VP and the SUmmit Protos

StevenDodge · Nov 12 2009, 09:28 AM

Okay, so some dust is starting to settle and I remember a few pages back there was a brief discussion about the Vibram Rating System for discs. As I am one of the main developers of this system, I would like all feedback and thoughts. The goal is to build the most accurate and understandable rating system (even though these two goals are quasi-contradictory.)

http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/ratings.html

gippy · Nov 12 2009, 05:41 PM

I say keep it simple thats too much for one to think about
I'd say rate it more like Innova. Speed Just how fast it will go 4.2 is a good speed maybe 5 for the VP Fade I'd say +5 it almost spikes and turn there is none unless you anny it so i'd say
Fade +5 Speed 4.5-5 Turn 0
J.M.O.

StevenDodge · Nov 13 2009, 07:02 AM

Simple is good. However, I would like the simple to be relative. Using the Innova model, a Boss is a 13 and a Leopard is a 6 or 7. The Boss does not fly twice as far as a Leopard. I'd like the speed/distance ratings to have real meaning.

If you buy a VP with a speed/distance of 60/4.2 = 252
and you buy a Vibram Mid with a spd/dist of 60/6 = 360

then you know fairly precisely that these discs are designed to be thrown with the same gusto and that the mid will fly 100 feet farther with the same gusto put on it.

Simple is good, but we opted for simple and relative.

StevenDodge · Nov 19 2009, 12:27 PM

Summit Release Date: Friday, November 27th

Contact your favorite disc golf stores and make sure they have them in stock in time for the holidays.

First Run Summits are all black and have no flight rating info engraved into the mold.

------------------

Huge announcement, part deux: VP lighter weights are coming online as we speak. Look for them trickling into stores just after Thanksgiving and early December.

veganray · Nov 19 2009, 12:36 PM

Fantastic, Steve. Great work!

A couple of ?s:
1) What stiffness(es) will be run at first?
2) What weights will be run?
3) What tweaks (if any) have been performed from the proto version to the production version?

StevenDodge · Nov 19 2009, 12:43 PM

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StevenDodge · Nov 19 2009, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veganray

Fantastic, Steve. Great work!

A couple of ?s:
1) What stiffness(es) will be run at first?
2) What weights will be run?
3) What tweaks (if any) have been performed from the proto version to the production version?

The first run Summits will be in X-Link Firm.
- The stock Summits (a couple weeks down the road) will be in both materials.
167-175 is the target. I think we're hitting it so far.
No tweaks to the mold, but the materials have been tweaked a bit for the production Summit.

gippy · Dec 04 2009, 08:58 PM

When will we be able to buy the summits and the new Vibram Ridge.

And whats with the 24 LB Jerel throws come from?

StevenDodge · Dec 05 2009, 09:10 AM

The Summit is becoming available at our Pinnacle stores and other quality shops that carry Vibram golf discs (ask your local store to give me an email and get them: dodges@vibram.us)

Here are the Pinnacle stores that should have them now or very soon:
http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/resources.html

--------

The Ridge has been PDGA approved and we will begin our field testing in the next month. No release date has been set.

keithjohnson · Dec 08 2009, 12:52 AM

DVD was again a worthwhile purchase even with the "digital noise" in a few places that Steve commented on during the video.

Can't wait until JAN 1st to sign up again for the 2010 Vibram Open.

Maybe I'll show up more than 3 times for 15 total seconds in 3 hours in the 2010 version.

Although I did lead off the RPM contest footage!

Keith

keithjohnson · Dec 08 2009, 08:16 AM

Actually - I should say the DVD is and has MUCHO GALORE!!!!

Apologies to Steve as it doesn't sound as good in print as he makes it sound on the DVD.

shteev · Dec 13 2009, 11:11 AM

Vibram is everywhere people. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode 11 with Mac and Charlie talking in the office of Paddy's Pub. Looking forward to the Ridge. anymore update on that? also looking for light brown and black vp's/summits. please help. have tons to trade. champ rocs, etc.

J_VanOver · Dec 14 2009, 04:42 PM

Hi Steve,

Can you send me some information about the teepads that are described on the sign in the magazine article? Thanks

Jason

StevenDodge · Dec 14 2009, 06:52 PM

Hi Jason,

The teepad project is in round three of testing and is currently a back burner project while a better recycled rubber adhesive is found.

Steve.

gdstour · Dec 15 2009, 01:35 AM

Steve, did you send us a dvd as a sponsor?

we haven't received anything yet?

StevenDodge · Dec 15 2009, 12:22 PM

Hi Dave, first off, thanks for being an Ace Sponsor last year and congrats to you and your team on Nikko's win at the USDGC. I look forward to seeing him (and even more Gateway players) at the Vibram next year.

We sent the DVD to this address:

Gateway Disc Sports
234 B Kingston Drive
St. Louis, MO 63125

Steve.

20460chase · Dec 24 2009, 11:15 AM

Hi Steve,

We got our VIBRAM order and am really happy to be on the list! Thanks Again!

Also, whats the deal with these X Mas discs, other than being sweet?

20460chase · Dec 24 2009, 11:34 AM

Nevermind. I calmed down, stepped away from the box and read the letter.

Thanks Again!

dgdave · Dec 24 2009, 12:11 PM

What's the Xmas disc? I want one!

Jeff_LaG · Dec 24 2009, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shteev

Vibram is everywhere people. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode 11 with Mac and Charlie talking in the office of Paddy's Pub.

Vibram is a multi-billion dollar corporation based in Italy whose products are used all around the world. Check out their website for all the different things they make. They are most famous for their shoe soles which are used in just about every walk of life. I will definitely look to buy my next pair of ski boots with Vibram soles.

20460chase · Dec 25 2009, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgdave

What's the Xmas disc? I want one!

Its a sick Ridge with a misle-toe / poinsetta dyed appearance. Its pretty gross. Very X-Masy.

I know you have been collecting them all, if you cant find one for yourself let me know.

StevenDodge · Dec 30 2009, 09:07 PM

There were only a few dozen of the Christmas discs made. We sent one to each retailer as a thank you (I would recommend not parting with it too easily) and there were a handful that were distributed to the disc golf folks here at Vibram DG. Hopefully someone (Chase?) can figure out how to take a picture of one.

shteev · Jan 11 2010, 08:25 PM

looking for grey proto ridge. have awesomeness to trade! please help.

CGPRush · Jan 13 2010, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenDodge

If you buy a VP with a speed/distance of 60/4.2 = 252
and you buy a Vibram Mid with a spd/dist of 60/6 = 360

then you know fairly precisely that these discs are designed to be thrown with the same gusto and that the mid will fly 100 feet farther with the same gusto put on it.

Simple is good, but we opted for simple and relative.

Was some kind of machine (similar to a pitching machine maybe) used to test the fade and turn values at different speeds?

Just curious about how those values were derived.

Also, this would be more useful if the average player could figure out their "normal" thrown speed easily. Then you could select a disc based on how well its flight characteristics matched your thrown (arm) speed.

Love my Vibram putters.

StevenDodge · Jan 13 2010, 09:25 PM

We don't have a throwing machine. We used a camera, a radar gun and a distance finder. And we used the same person throwing so spin was hopefully minimized as a differentiating (is that a word?) factor.

Ideally a player would be able to throw a VP and watch it fly and determine if they are getting it to its ideal speed. If so, all is good. If not, I'd recommend discing down to the Summit.

J_VanOver · Jan 19 2010, 02:16 PM

Hi Steve,
Is there any chance of any of the three discs being run under 160g for players going to the Japan Open?

Nov 19 2009, 12:27 PM	#188
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	Summit Release Date Summit Release Date: Friday, November 27th Contact your favorite disc golf stores and make sure they have them in stock in time for the holidays. First Run Summits are all black and have no flight rating info engraved into the mold. ------------------ Huge announcement, part deux: VP lighter weights are coming online as we speak. Look for them trickling into stores just after Thanksgiving and early December.

Dec 08 2009, 12:52 AM	#194
keithjohnson PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: east coast Posts: 2,592	DVD was again a worthwhile purchase even with the "digital noise" in a few places that Steve commented on during the video. Can't wait until JAN 1st to sign up again for the 2010 Vibram Open. Maybe I'll show up more than 3 times for 15 total seconds in 3 hours in the 2010 version. Although I did lead off the RPM contest footage! Keith __________________ VERY sad to see you go mom / 11/28/42---6/6/2006 14 months after saying...so long my brother 8-29-1983....3-24-2005 and now Nancy - gone on 3/9/12 you all will be missed !!

Dec 08 2009, 08:16 AM	#195
keithjohnson PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: east coast Posts: 2,592	Actually - I should say the DVD is and has MUCHO GALORE!!!! Apologies to Steve as it doesn't sound as good in print as he makes it sound on the DVD. __________________ VERY sad to see you go mom / 11/28/42---6/6/2006 14 months after saying...so long my brother 8-29-1983....3-24-2005 and now Nancy - gone on 3/9/12 you all will be missed !!

Dec 15 2009, 01:35 AM	#199
gdstour PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Creve Coeur, Missouri Posts: 2,467	gateways vibram open dvd Steve, did you send us a dvd as a sponsor? we haven't received anything yet? __________________ David McCormack pdga # 2873 www.gdstour.com BLog: www.gatewaydiscs.blogspot.com

Dec 24 2009, 11:15 AM	#201
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Hi Steve, We got our VIBRAM order and am really happy to be on the list! Thanks Again! Also, whats the deal with these X Mas discs, other than being sweet? __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Aug 21 2009, 01:02 PM	#181
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	Some are the testers, some are the production, some are the early protos from alst year, one is a limited one from the worlds this year. I'm trying to get the black VO ones now. I have the VPs but had to sell them

Aug 21 2009, 03:55 PM	#182
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	http://primediscs.com/proddetail.asp...t%2Dvp%2Dcombo They have both the VP and Summit black with raised lettering only 4 left but $100 I have seen the Black Summit protos on ebay for $40

Aug 21 2009, 10:50 PM	#183
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	the VP went for 60 the last time it was available on primediscs.com

Nov 12 2009, 09:28 AM	#185
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	Okay, so some dust is starting to settle and I remember a few pages back there was a brief discussion about the Vibram Rating System for discs. As I am one of the main developers of this system, I would like all feedback and thoughts. The goal is to build the most accurate and understandable rating system (even though these two goals are quasi-contradictory.) http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/ratings.html

Nov 12 2009, 05:41 PM	#186
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	I say keep it simple thats too much for one to think about I'd say rate it more like Innova. Speed Just how fast it will go 4.2 is a good speed maybe 5 for the VP Fade I'd say +5 it almost spikes and turn there is none unless you anny it so i'd say Fade +5 Speed 4.5-5 Turn 0 J.M.O.

Nov 13 2009, 07:02 AM	#187
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	Simple is good. However, I would like the simple to be relative. Using the Innova model, a Boss is a 13 and a Leopard is a 6 or 7. The Boss does not fly twice as far as a Leopard. I'd like the speed/distance ratings to have real meaning. If you buy a VP with a speed/distance of 60/4.2 = 252 and you buy a Vibram Mid with a spd/dist of 60/6 = 360 then you know fairly precisely that these discs are designed to be thrown with the same gusto and that the mid will fly 100 feet farther with the same gusto put on it. Simple is good, but we opted for simple and relative.

Nov 19 2009, 12:36 PM	#189
veganray Community Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: The defense table Posts: 2,177	Fantastic, Steve. Great work! A couple of ?s: 1) What stiffness(es) will be run at first? 2) What weights will be run? 3) What tweaks (if any) have been performed from the proto version to the production version?

Nov 19 2009, 12:43 PM	#190
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	Vibram Disc Golf is on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VibramDiscGolf

Dec 04 2009, 08:58 PM	#192
gippy PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 433	When will we be able to buy the summits and the new Vibram Ridge. And whats with the 24 LB Jerel throws come from?

Dec 05 2009, 09:10 AM	#193
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	The Summit is becoming available at our Pinnacle stores and other quality shops that carry Vibram golf discs (ask your local store to give me an email and get them: dodges@vibram.us) Here are the Pinnacle stores that should have them now or very soon: http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/resources.html -------- The Ridge has been PDGA approved and we will begin our field testing in the next month. No release date has been set.

Dec 13 2009, 11:11 AM	#196
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	Vibram is everywhere people. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode 11 with Mac and Charlie talking in the office of Paddy's Pub. Looking forward to the Ridge. anymore update on that? also looking for light brown and black vp's/summits. please help. have tons to trade. champ rocs, etc.

Dec 14 2009, 04:42 PM	#197
J_VanOver Community Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 57	Hi Steve, Can you send me some information about the teepads that are described on the sign in the magazine article? Thanks Jason

Dec 14 2009, 06:52 PM	#198
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	Hi Jason, The teepad project is in round three of testing and is currently a back burner project while a better recycled rubber adhesive is found. Steve.

Dec 15 2009, 12:22 PM	#200
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	Hi Dave, first off, thanks for being an Ace Sponsor last year and congrats to you and your team on Nikko's win at the USDGC. I look forward to seeing him (and even more Gateway players) at the Vibram next year. We sent the DVD to this address: Gateway Disc Sports 234 B Kingston Drive St. Louis, MO 63125 Steve.

Dec 24 2009, 11:34 AM	#202
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Nevermind. I calmed down, stepped away from the box and read the letter. Thanks Again! __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Dec 24 2009, 12:11 PM	#203
dgdave Community Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Norman, Ok Posts: 1,713	What's the Xmas disc? I want one!

Dec 30 2009, 09:07 PM	#206
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	There were only a few dozen of the Christmas discs made. We sent one to each retailer as a thank you (I would recommend not parting with it too easily) and there were a handful that were distributed to the disc golf folks here at Vibram DG. Hopefully someone (Chase?) can figure out how to take a picture of one.

Jan 11 2010, 08:25 PM	#207
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	looking for grey proto ridge. have awesomeness to trade! please help.

Jan 13 2010, 09:25 PM	#209
StevenDodge PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: United States Posts: 496	We don't have a throwing machine. We used a camera, a radar gun and a distance finder. And we used the same person throwing so spin was hopefully minimized as a differentiating (is that a word?) factor. Ideally a player would be able to throw a VP and watch it fly and determine if they are getting it to its ideal speed. If so, all is good. If not, I'd recommend discing down to the Summit.

Jan 19 2010, 02:16 PM	#210
J_VanOver Community Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 57	Less than 160g Hi Steve, Is there any chance of any of the three discs being run under 160g for players going to the Japan Open?

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