Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by davei

Not in stiffer Star, but probably yes to Champion. We haven't made a decision yet.

Stiff champ or champ glo would be awesome.

Do you find that more people enjoy softer or harder plastic? What do you find most top players prefer?

[davei]

Originally Posted by geo

Hey Dave, any plans to run the Aviar Woodstock in a white plastic? I love the grip of the disc and how it sticks to the chains but that cream color(maybe from the wood particles) blends in with the ground to much. I know you made a redwood but a nice bright white with the wood particles would be great. Thanks!

I was worried about the blending color, but for the first go around, it was a neat novelty I think. We will do it again in other colors; possibly white. Thanks for the feedback.

[davei]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

Stiff champ or champ glo would be awesome.

Do you find that more people enjoy softer or harder plastic? What do you find most top players prefer?

Good questions. I really don't know the ratio of recreational players that prefer the softer tackier plastic, but it is much higher than the top players. I believe most of the top players prefer stiffer over softer. I have heard many players complain about the movement of the plastic in their grips when they throw softer. I believe it's a distraction that makes them feel less confident when they are throwing.

[LastBoyScout]

if you need hard stiff plastic to be grippy, that is an easy fix.

take some windex (or preferred knock-off) and wipe down your disc and your hand. windex will pull all of the oils off of both creating a very grippy surface.

then just keep a rag or towel wet with windex and may even a small squirt bottle with you (the kind for cleaning glasses)

[davei]

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

if you need hard stiff plastic to be grippy, that is an easy fix.

take some windex (or preferred knock-off) and wipe down your disc and your hand. windex will pull all of the oils off of both creating a very grippy surface.

then just keep a rag or towel wet with windex and may even a small squirt bottle with you (the kind for cleaning glasses)

I will try that. Thanks.

[dgdave]

Also, you can just put a little acetone on a cotton ball and wipe down the surface. Be careful. It removes stamps.

[AviarX]

isn't acetone carcinogenic?

[bcary93]

Originally Posted by AviarX

isn't acetone carcinogenic?

It isn't. It's mostly harmless. I'm pretty sure it even occurs in the body naturally.

[two5twosix9]

The reason I don't like softer plastic is because the flex of the plastic during my pull makes it very hard to get a consistant release. I have had this feeling a couple times with my mako and it worries me. I love the flight but it is pointless if I don't know where it is coming off my hand. I have released early on a few occasions. The flights weren't exactly what I wanted but the forgiving flight still left me with putts. I get afraid to throw it on a very tight fairway even though it would be sweet for tight fairways. Any plans for a DX run? Sorry to bring it up again but a stiffer run of makos would make atleast one player happy.

On a side note, the newer ecostar is awesome!

[davei]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

The reason I don't like softer plastic is because the flex of the plastic during my pull makes it very hard to get a consistant release. I have had this feeling a couple times with my mako and it worries me. I love the flight but it is pointless if I don't know where it is coming off my hand. I have released early on a few occasions. The flights weren't exactly what I wanted but the forgiving flight still left me with putts. I get afraid to throw it on a very tight fairway even though it would be sweet for tight fairways. Any plans for a DX run? Sorry to bring it up again but a stiffer run of makos would make atleast one player happy.

On a side note, the newer ecostar is awesome!

We are planning on running Champion Makos, which should be firmer. No plans for DX, at this point.

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave,
What's the schedule on Echostar Teebirds?

[veganray]

IMHO, floppier discs merely accentuate an existing problem, namely off-axis torque. If you pull perfectly cleanly, a piece of sailcloth won't wobble during the pull, but slice cleanly through the air. Only when off-axis torque is introduced does it then deform unpredictably & effect release. Maybe the stiffer discs seem "better", as their rigidity resists the deformation caused by OAT & release feels the same despite it. Soft, floppy discs may be good training tools to diagnose & treat this flaw.

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by veganray

IMHO, floppier discs merely accentuate an existing problem, namely off-axis torque. If you pull perfectly cleanly, a piece of sailcloth won't wobble during the pull, but slice cleanly through the air. Only when off-axis torque is introduced does it then deform unpredictably & effect release. Maybe the stiffer discs seem "better", as their rigidity resists the deformation caused by OAT & release feels the same despite it. Soft, floppy discs may be good training tools to diagnose & treat this flaw.

It isn't so much a wobble as a deformation. If you take a stiff disc and hold the rim on each side and pull outward the disc does not change shape too much. But if youdo the same thing with floppy plastic the disc decomes out of shape. I like to drive with mids and putters so I put a good deal of torque on them. The mako just doesn't compare with KC rocs and aviars when it comes to firmness.

Looking forward to champ makos, thanks dave.

[davei]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave,
What's the schedule on Echostar Teebirds?

We have run them. I don't know where they went right now.

[DSproAVIAR]

OK. I am eager to find out if any were shipped to Innova East.

Thanks!

[LastBoyScout]

Originally Posted by dgdave

Also, you can just put a little acetone on a cotton ball and wipe down the surface. Be careful. It removes stamps.

Acetone is a carcinogen. says so right on my bottle. i do use it to remove stamps off of all my discs before i throw them.

the reason acetone works to make a disc easier to grip for a short period of time is that the acetone will "eat" the top layer of plastic and leave behind some residue from that chemical reaction. As soon as it gets dirty, you lose that grip and cleaning the disc just doesnt seem to restore that grip either.

with the windex though, its not harsh to the plastic and every time you wipe your disc down you are cleaning it. same goes for you hand. when you wipe down your disc, you can or will inadvertently strip the oils off your throwing hand. you now have a grip on grip situation. trust me, you will have plenty of grip. good thing is that this works when its wet out too. i have had this save me a few times when playing in the rain. oil and water dont mix. however, with all the oils gone, you still can grip a damp/slightly wet disc without it feeling like its trying to slip out of your hand.

[Patrick P]

I once used Goo Gone to remove the price sticker on the bottom on an R-Pro Aviar. Wow, I won't do that again. Not only did it remove the sticker, but the petroleum based product started to eat up the disc.

[bcary93]

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Acetone is a carcinogen. says so right on my bottle.

I once wore a t-shirt with that read, "I'm with Stupid ->", so I kept looking but I never saw anyone

It may say that on the bottle, but there is no evidence that it is carcinogenic. It could be that some other ingredient in the bottle is the culprit.

[veganray]

[gippy]

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

if you need hard stiff plastic to be grippy, that is an easy fix.

take some windex (or preferred knock-off) and wipe down your disc and your hand. windex will pull all of the oils off of both creating a very grippy surface.

then just keep a rag or towel wet with windex and may even a small squirt bottle with you (the kind for cleaning glasses)

Tested this out today all I have to say is THANX and WOW who woulda known. Works well I purposely got my disc wet sorta dried the disc still moist then hit it with a towel with windex on it and It was like gripping a dry disc Tacky Disc and fingers real nice

[mikeP]

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Acetone is a carcinogen. says so right on my bottle. i do use it to remove stamps off of all my discs before i throw them.

This is very misleading. What it most likely says is "Group D carcinogen", which is actually a designation for chemicals that have "inadequate evidence to classify" them as a carcinogen.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by davei

We have run them. I don't know where they went right now.

2nd this.. Mark at DGV? Come on..