Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[gokayaksteven]

Hi Dave-
how is the testing of the pro bosses going? closer to pro destroyers or star bosses?
thanks as always

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Hi Dave-
how is the testing of the pro bosses going? closer to pro destroyers or star bosses?
thanks as always

I think the Pro Bosses are closer to Pro Destroyers than Star Bosses. I think the high speed stability of the Pro Boss is similar to the Star Boss, but the fade is reduced somewhat. The glide of the Pro is higher than the Star or Champion. The Pros have the characteristic poppy tops.

[Trickay]

Hey Dave,

My favorite Innova disc of all time ...Champion Classic Roc in champion plastic. This thing is my bread and butter. Any chance you'll ever run them in the regular production line again?

they're getting hard to find......

[gokayaksteven]

discgolfvalues has champ classic rocs for sale.

thanks for answering all our questions Dave.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Trickay

Hey Dave,

My favorite Innova disc of all time ...Champion Classic Roc in champion plastic. This thing is my bread and butter. Any chance you'll ever run them in the regular production line again?

they're getting hard to find......

They probably won't make regular production, but they will be run again for limited release.

[Trickay]

Where would I be able to find these limited edition ones? You don't mean only cfr right?

Thanks to both of you for helping me out.

[John Keith]

Im wondering, With Avery's big arm and his crazy snap..why is he choosing a Star XC and a Pro Destroyer for long drives. what is it about his technique and or disc that he chooses these. I would have thought he could handle the Boss, why are top pros not chunking Ch Boss's

[davei]

Originally Posted by Trickay

Where would I be able to find these limited edition ones? You don't mean only cfr right?

Thanks to both of you for helping me out.

When we run them, they will be in limited release. We will decide then whether they are in custom hot stamping or some other program, probably not just cfr. I don't know which program they are in now.

[mikeP]

Originally Posted by kvdiscpro

Im wondering, With Avery's big arm and his crazy snap..why is he choosing a Star XC and a Pro Destroyer for long drives. what is it about his technique and or disc that he chooses these. I would have thought he could handle the Boss, why are top pros not chunking Ch Boss's

For players that throw as hard as Avery the flight characteristics of discs are very different. A Boss is a very fast disc that is designed to become understable at very high speeds. Most people do not throw hard enough to push the Boss to turn, but for those who can attain these high disc speeds easily the Boss may flip too fast. Both of Avery's drivers (pro Destroyer, XC) are slower than the Boss which means they flip slower as well, so Avery probably gets more predictable action out of them. Avery would throw just as far on the course if every disc faster than the Teebird was outlawed. He has power to burn.

[20460chase]

He told me Champion Boss' are inconsitant. He was throwing Stars for most of the summer, but likes the Eco XCals the most. Almost everyone Ive played with that has crushing D uses the original Eco Xcals.

[John Keith]

I thought so, most top open player i see are not throwing the CH Boss, not that its not a good disc, but if you have the arm speed and strength to torque, then The Star XC seems more consistant for that throw. Im curious cause I have pretty good snap and flip, I find the Boss's to be squirly for me, so im not confident with them...even thow on a perfect shot i can add 40feet to a drive, I need consistancy to compete in tournys. So I took my Boss's out and am trying to see if i can keep the same shots with star XC and echo Star XC

[Drew32]

When will the Halloween discs be available and what models are you running this time around?

[davei]

Originally Posted by Drew32

When will the Halloween discs be available and what models are you running this time around?

Star Boss, DX Roc, DX Aviar

[MTChristian]

Part of it is that newer discs take longer to work into pro's bags since they already have time put in learning the slightly slower ones. I personally just like the Xcal/Destroyer combo more than bosses and I don't think I'm alone there. Both the Xcal and D are just such awesome discs that I haven't found the extra distance that bosses provide worth it to make the switch (...yet, perhaps).

Second the Champ Classic Roc request--it's my bread and butter too! Especially the more stable ones...some of the recent CFR runs weren't as stable as the old regular production runs used to be and were pretty different discs. So whatever stabilizing processes there are out there perhaps they can be applied the new CCR I'll try and hold on to my diminishing stack until such a day...

Can't wait to try out the Mako, sounds very cool. And I can't wait to try the star dart either...the flight characteristics of the dart blew me away when it first came out but I couldn't quite get used to the plastic (i prefer stiffer plastic), so I can't wait to see how it flies in star. Might just be darting into the bag!

What about "The Awesome" for the new understable long range driver? You can use that one for free. Actually that's probably already its prototype name and I just didn't know it. In which case, great thinking and sorry for blowing the cover.

Can't wait to see everyone in Rock Hill (mmmm factory mmmm) for the sweetest family reunion around!

Christian

[FizzyP]

When you can throw a 550' hyzer like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL2RNcy0_qo

all kinds of discs are "squirly".

[tokyo]

Hey Dave any word on what the signature disc is going to be for Avery?

[davei]

Originally Posted by tokyo

Hey Dave any word on what the signature disc is going to be for Avery?

What would you suggest?

[dangle]

Originally Posted by davei

What would you suggest?

Pro Destroyer? Eco-XCal?

[dangle]

Hey Dave,

Any sweet discs coming to the USDGC this year? Anything us spectators can pick up in the shop?

[cgkdisc]

What would you suggest?

I think Avery might get the World distance record for the Zephyr (if he tried officially)

[MischiefMKR]

Dave can u explain in idoit language on how a max dome affects a disc compared to a no dome/flat top say on a destroyer

[pdorries]

Originally Posted by davei

What would you suggest?

whippet-x

[MichaelWebster]

I think an xcal for Avery. Also, I noticed the Champ sidewinder has been retooled a little, I havent thrown it yet, so I dont have a feel for how it flies.

I'm just curious, what was the incentive for the retool, and have you noticed any variations in flights?

[davei]

Originally Posted by dangle

Hey Dave,

Any sweet discs coming to the USDGC this year? Anything us spectators can pick up in the shop?

Besides the Spectator Roc, there will be grippy Star Darts, Eco Star Darts, Star Makos, and Pro Bosses.

[davei]

Originally Posted by MischiefMKR

Dave can u explain in idoit language on how a max dome affects a disc compared to a no dome/flat top say on a destroyer

The domier a disc is, the more lift/glide it will have vs flatter discs. This is at the cost of a little speed. So upwind shots will not go quite as far, but downwind and no wind shots will glide farther. Also, the dome helps to prevent early fade.

On the other hand, if the dome was caused by excessive shrink of the rim, it will cause the disc to be less stable at high speeds, than a non domey disc of the same type. Some materials, (like Pro), produce high domes with relatively little shrink, and are therefor still stable with more glide. With DX, dome is almost always indicative of shrink and instability when comparing a domey DX disc with a non domey DX of the same model.

[davei]

Originally Posted by MichaelWebster

I think an xcal for Avery. Also, I noticed the Champ sidewinder has been retooled a little, I havent thrown it yet, so I dont have a feel for how it flies.

I'm just curious, what was the incentive for the retool, and have you noticed any variations in flights?

There was a minor tooling change that didn't affect the appearance or performance of the Sidewinder. It did make the disc easier to make. I am surprised you could have noticed.

[futurecollisions]

Originally Posted by davei

Besides the Spectator Roc, there will be grippy Star Darts, Eco Star Darts, Star Makos, and Pro Bosses.

Im really looking forward to pro bosses around 167-169g.

And I say xcal for the Avery signature disc.

Thanks Dave

[20460chase]

I would suggest Avery win some more championships. I guess I just always assumed there was a longer line of more deserving players. I wonder how some of the players that have won multiple championships and dominated for more than a season and a half feel about it?

[mrspank]

They might feel like they should've been born a few years later, when signature discs actually existed. Could've had some of their own in their day. Unfortunately, their day has probably passed by now. Not to rag on the old-timers, but I doubt many of today's newer players would be enticed by a stamp that says "5x Senior GM Champ". I like your question though, I'm sure it will stimulate some good conversation.

[bob]

What signature disc will Harold get?

HD Signature disc supporter
Bob Graham