Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[gokayaksteven]

thanks Dave- I will get a couple more stars to hold me over until then

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by mitchjustice

The Sketters we got for the Kyle summer camp this year came in 135-143 grams...they worked much better than the 150 gram sharks we had been using the last 4 years...we also found really light cobras, super softs, and rocs(several runs and as low as 110 grams)...I would highly recommend a light Sketter for learning good form

As silly as it sounds I don't think that a skeeter is going to be enough disc for him. The first thing he held in his hand was a mini and he has been throwing since he could walk. He throws his backhand about 80-90, his sidearm 100-120, and sidearm rolls 120+ consistantly. He has decent angle control so I would like to get him a teebird or a wraith. I saw there are crazy light boss' at hero that I will be purchasing so we will see how long the r-pro lasts. He also has a roc that he rips so i don't know that a skeeter would fit into the arsonal but I will get one anyway because it is available. Are there any aviars that are superlight anywhere? Marshalstreet has a good lightweight selection but I haven't been able to find any other place that has as good a selection. I am just looking for more resources. Thanks.

[keithjohnson]

Dave,

Welcome back to the board - Lorelei, Dawn, and I give you and the ENTIRE Innnova family our condolances on the loss of Tim.

I am so glad we all got to see him and spend some time with him at Worlds, and I'll have a special moment for him at my next Event on September 12th.

Thanks for all of your help to all the disc golfers out there in person as well as on the board.

Keith

[mitchjustice]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

As silly as it sounds I don't think that a skeeter is going to be enough disc for him. The first thing he held in his hand was a mini and he has been throwing since he could walk. He throws his backhand about 80-90, his sidearm 100-120, and sidearm rolls 120+ consistantly. He has decent angle control so I would like to get him a teebird or a wraith. I saw there are crazy light boss' at hero that I will be purchasing so we will see how long the r-pro lasts. He also has a roc that he rips so i don't know that a skeeter would fit into the arsonal but I will get one anyway because it is available. Are there any aviars that are superlight anywhere? Marshalstreet has a good lightweight selection but I haven't been able to find any other place that has as good a selection. I am just looking for more resources. Thanks.

I gave my 9 year old little girl ( who is little for her age ) a 143 gram R-pro Boss and instantly she was throwing farther...get 2 or 3, they are fragile....Discnation.com has some really light DX Eagles and a few others...most of the cool ones I have found have been used older runs

[davei]

Originally Posted by two5twosix9

As silly as it sounds I don't think that a skeeter is going to be enough disc for him. The first thing he held in his hand was a mini and he has been throwing since he could walk. He throws his backhand about 80-90, his sidearm 100-120, and sidearm rolls 120+ consistantly. He has decent angle control so I would like to get him a teebird or a wraith. I saw there are crazy light boss' at hero that I will be purchasing so we will see how long the r-pro lasts. He also has a roc that he rips so i don't know that a skeeter would fit into the arsonal but I will get one anyway because it is available. Are there any aviars that are superlight anywhere? Marshalstreet has a good lightweight selection but I haven't been able to find any other place that has as good a selection. I am just looking for more resources. Thanks.

I know we have made superlight Aviars, but I don't know of a resource right now. Sorry. Aviars have been made down to 105gm Mirage model.

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by davei

I know we have made superlight Aviars, but I don't know of a resource right now. Sorry. Aviars have been made down to 105gm Mirage model.

I am not a vendor but is there any way I could get in touch with someone at the warehouse to request any lighter discs that may be available? I can get in touch of a few people from my area that are on the team and might see what they can do but I would like to skip the middle man if possible.

[hankdabank]

http://www.discgolfunited.com/Store/...cfm?prod_id=42

Click the weight drop-down and it goes all the way to 130's.

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by hankdabank

http://www.discgolfunited.com/Store/...cfm?prod_id=42

Click the weight drop-down and it goes all the way to 130's.

Thank you.

[pdiddy71]

i found some 140 class champion eagle x-outs at my local store, i don't know if that is something you could get from the warehouse.

[Breeze]

Originally Posted by davei

Yes, I expect the Gator to be run in Champion, but I am not sure what line up it will be in. I believe the regular line up. I am not sure when right now. Not soon.

woohoo!

-Chris A

[Trey133]

Marshall Street has an aviar at 105 grams right now. I know its not eliminating the middle man, but there is one to be had right now.

[two5twosix9]

Originally Posted by Trey133

Marshall Street has an aviar at 105 grams right now. I know its not eliminating the middle man, but there is one to be had right now.

Thank you.I didn't mean cut out the vendor middle man, if there are any other vendors that have these lightweight discs please letme know. Thanks

[OSUNURSE]

Originally Posted by pdorries

i used to think the exact same thoughts, until i bagged the meteor. innova drivers still reign supreme and the kc aviar is golden... rocs... fly like rocs... which fly beautifully... BUT there isn't an innova disc that flies like the meteor... so you should get one man, fo sho

Oh man you said it. Wish I would have saw this conversation earlier. I have been a huge Innova snob for years and tried a meteor 6 months ago, and I fully agree. There is absolutley nothing Innova makes that does that. Dave, please throw one soon, my friend. It is sweet. I'm still almost all Innova, but that Meteor (and Buzzz) just have no equal. Wow they glide. (please tell me someone didn't try to compare the kite?!?) I gave that spaceship a serious college try for months.....

Having said that, Discraft has nothing that does what an Innova champ Viper or DX bulldog does, start makin 'em again Dave! (I know I know, the bulldod is now the Hydra, it just isn't as "cool.")

[pterodactyl]

Wow! This thing goes really far for me.

I couldn't believe the D that I put on this disc. Now, as long as I don't hit anything with it.
I've seen the damage to some when they hit trees and it aint pretty.

[kwibby1]

Hmmm i must try one

[kwibby1]

Hi Dave i got this from a friend explaining the 11x kc roc as opposed to the so-called 11x 8x roc (19X).... this is the same thing that happened with the 10x (18X) time rocs where the seam is in different spots as the diagram shows. i have a bunch of the 19x configuration and they all have the quarter sized dimple top just like the original 8x rocs have...just wanted your thoughts on the different molds within the run as far as the location of the seam...close to .100 difference in them.. and the dimple and is that truly a 8x top? Thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by kwibby1

Hi Dave i got this from a friend explaining the 11x kc roc as opposed to the so-called 11x 8x roc (19X).... this is the same thing that happened with the 10x (18X) time rocs where the seam is in different spots as the diagram shows. i have a bunch of the 19x configuration and they all have the quarter sized dimple top just like the original 8x rocs have...just wanted your thoughts on the different molds within the run as far as the location of the seam...close to .100 difference in them.. and the dimple and is that truly a 8x top? Thanks

The true Rancho has the seam lower. Ontarios and San Marinos have the seam higher. An 11X won't automatically have the higher seam, it would only have been done for one or two runs. I remember having experimented with a run, but I thought it was the 10X. Regardless, a Rancho with the higher seam is a hybrid Rancho, which is a mix between a Rancho and a San Marino. We haven't run a hybrid, (intentionally), for several years.

[kwibby1]

Originally Posted by davei

The true Rancho has the seam lower. Ontarios and San Marinos have the seam higher. An 11X won't automatically have the higher seam, it would only have been done for one or two runs. I remember having experimented with a run, but I thought it was the 10X. Regardless, a Rancho with the higher seam is a hybrid Rancho, which is a mix between a Rancho and a San Marino. We haven't run a hybrid, (intentionally), for several years.

Thanks Dave, so the 10x time 18x time rocs that have been sold on ebay are just regular rancho's right? seems to me the hybrids with the seam up higher would be the rarer disc..just never potrayed that way as the so called 18x get more loot....Good to know

[rickb]

Dave I'm not sure if you have covered this or not. Are there any plans to make the soft, gummy JK Aviar-X's again? I've tried the r-pro dart and r-pro avair along with the rw-avair and they're just not the same. Or is there anything else that Innova makes either for yourselves or another company that comes close?

As always thanks for taking the time to answer all of our questions.

[davei]

Originally Posted by rickb

Dave I'm not sure if you have covered this or not. Are there any plans to make the soft, gummy JK Aviar-X's again? I've tried the r-pro dart and r-pro avair along with the rw-avair and they're just not the same. Or is there anything else that Innova makes either for yourselves or another company that comes close?

As always thanks for taking the time to answer all of our questions.

We recently ran JKs, but I am not sure whether they are soft enough for what you are asking. When we tried to make them softer, it didn't work. The closest other disc we make is the P2 for Discmania. Those are made with a similar material, but they are not as soft as the R-Pro Dart either. We will continue to try to run softer JKs and P2s when we get a chance.

[rickb]

Originally Posted by davei

We recently ran JKs, but I am not sure whether they are soft enough for what you are asking. When we tried to make them softer, it didn't work. The closest other disc we make is the P2 for Discmania. Those are made with a similar material, but they are not as soft as the R-Pro Dart either. We will continue to try to run softer JKs and P2s when we get a chance.

My apologies, I should have been more specific. The discs I was inquiring about and wanting are close to the original 3X JK's and the early 4X JK's. These discs were both flexible and gummy. Great for wet weather, cold weather and even the middle of summer.

The latter 4X JK's and 5X JK's were a grippier plastic but were alot stiffer, not KC Aviar stiff but close. Even the newer JK's that are now being printed up with tournament stamps are the somewhat grippy but stiff plastic.

Thanks again.

[33009]

Rick, he knows exactly what your talking about. He is the master of all discs new and old...

[RhynoBoy]

Originally Posted by davei

We recently ran JKs, but I am not sure whether they are soft enough for what you are asking. When we tried to make them softer, it didn't work.

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[Dana]

Dave- Are TDs/Clubs able to make CFR/TFR orders of discs just in the Echo plastic?
Thanks!

[davei]

Originally Posted by Dana

Dave- Are TDs/Clubs able to make CFR/TFR orders of discs just in the Echo plastic?
Thanks!

Only if we have enough in the desired models. We are current improving our stock, but it is presently insufficient in many models. The TeeBird will be run in Echo Star next.

[ChrisEads]

I am suggesting R-pro Beasts in light weights. Please Dave tell me if this has a chance.

Also when can we expect to see some more drivers in the R-pro plastic like leopards and teebirds as well as valks. Even destroyers would be cool.

[davei]

Originally Posted by ChrisEads

I am suggesting R-pro Beasts in light weights. Please Dave tell me if this has a chance.

Also when can we expect to see some more drivers in the R-pro plastic like leopards and teebirds as well as valks. Even destroyers would be cool.

We have no plans to make the heavier weights in any R-Pro driver at this point. If we use it on any other driver, it will be for weights lighter than 164gms

[rizbee]

Originally Posted by davei

The more stable Gator mold will be run next time. The Gator is two levels faster than the Pig.

As for the Super Puppy, we do have the DX Polecat and will have an R-Pro version fairly soon. It is the closest we have to the Super Puppy.

I don't know what a Meteor flies like so I can't tell you what we have that might be like it. Sorry.

R-Pro Polecat? Sounds interesting to all us Super Puppy/Kitty Hawk fans.

And thanks for working on creating lighter drivers using R-Pro. I'm a consistent 150-class thrower and I'd love to have 150g Beasts, Starfires, etc.

[cgkdisc]

R-Pro Super Hero (although we need them at 180g).

[davei]

Originally Posted by rizbee

R-Pro Polecat? Sounds interesting to all us Super Puppy/Kitty Hawk fans.

And thanks for working on creating lighter drivers using R-Pro. I'm a consistent 150-class thrower and I'd love to have 150g Beasts, Starfires, etc.

FYI. We are adding a slightly altered Pro 150 class in Japan next year. The Pro division will be able to use discs up to 159.4g. All other divisions and recreational play will remain the same.

What this means to you, potentially, is that more discs in the low 150s will be available.