Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Stockstamped dx Pigs?! I am looking forward to see the stamp. When are they going to be released?

I believe the Pigs are stamped with the R-Pro stamp but were deemed too stiff to be sold as such.

[davei]

Originally Posted by flynvegas

Dave,
Will the 20th anniv. Roc make it to the general public like the Aviar did? Also, how many made? Thx

So far, the 20th anniv. KC Worlds stamp is about 1000. There will be a similar stamp (with no KC) available Aug 10 for general sales. Don't have the numbers on that, but would guess 2 to 3 thousand.

[davei]

Originally Posted by eclipseram

Hey Dave, got a friend who is in love with the Polecat. He is really interested in the idea of a champion plastic version, is there any plan to ever run these?

Thanks.

No plans for a Champion at this point, but we are to test run some R-Pro which might prove interesting.

[Furthur]

Dave,

I recently acquired a sharp nose 2 Ring San Marino Roc, and have been very impressed with the flight. I was wondering why the sharp nose was discontinued in favor of the blunt nose. Comparing this Roc with the one I got at Worlds this past week, I see that Innova is using a blunt nose on their new San Marinos (or at least the one I have). Were Ranchos ever made with a sharp nose, and, if so, do you know the approximate dates they were made or the stamps on them (BB, Stable mid range, mid range, current stamp, etc).

Thanks as always. For the record, dgdave wouldn't love the PD if I hadn't spent 6 months telling him to throw one.

[dgdave]

I would like to thanks Furthur and everyone who got to discgolfvalues before me that day and bought out all the champ glow whippets and cobras. If not for them, I may have not ever tried them.

[gippy]

Originally Posted by dgdave

I would like to thanks Furthur and everyone who got to discgolfvalues before me that day and bought out all the champ glow whippets and cobras. If not for them, I may have not ever tried them.

Did you get a glow Whippet or need one a local course here in Maine has them for $16

[dgdave]

I was going to get one, but they were out so I got PD's instead. I'm not needing or wanting a whippet anymore since I saw how domey they came out.

[stack]

Originally Posted by keithjohnson

In a bid to make Super Class more acceptable, Avery's disc will be the Zephyr.

LOL... nice Keith!

[davei]

Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave,

I recently acquired a sharp nose 2 Ring San Marino Roc, and have been very impressed with the flight. I was wondering why the sharp nose was discontinued in favor of the blunt nose. Comparing this Roc with the one I got at Worlds this past week, I see that Innova is using a blunt nose on their new San Marinos (or at least the one I have). Were Ranchos ever made with a sharp nose, and, if so, do you know the approximate dates they were made or the stamps on them (BB, Stable mid range, mid range, current stamp, etc).

Thanks as always. For the record, dgdave wouldn't love the PD if I hadn't spent 6 months telling him to throw one.

The original San Marino hasn't been made in a long time. The new one was supposed to be made to the same specs so I don't know why it would be blunter. It should say San Marino on the bottom. The Ranchos are made with a blunt nose that can be made blunter, but rarely is.

[Furthur]

Ya, they do. It's the commemorative Roc they were giving out last week. Thanks for the information Dave. I have one of the dx Sanny re-issues in my basement I'm going to compare to see if the nose is blunt or sharp. Perhaps the star Sannys just mold up like that and look blunter.

Hope you had fun in KC last week.

[gippy]

Originally Posted by dgdave

I was going to get one, but they were out so I got PD's instead. I'm not needing or wanting a whippet anymore since I saw how domey they came out.

They are rather domey but still overstable pigs almost as much as the Champ I got off A.J.

[gippy]

Dave,
Finally Champ Destroyer out in regular production. How do they compare to the CFRs please tell me that they aren;t real domey like alot of champ plastic has been coming out. What gives with that too most rather domey lately

[jester2043]

Dave,

Any chance of production run champ teerex's in the near future?

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Dave,
Finally Champ Destroyer out in regular production. How do they compare to the CFRs please tell me that they aren;t real domey like alot of champ plastic has been coming out. What gives with that too most rather domey lately

We mold the faster discs out of two different kinds of plastic. The Champion Destroyers were made of the more stable and less domey plastic. Generally we use the domey plastic with Star, rather than Champion.

[davei]

Originally Posted by jester2043

Dave,

Any chance of production run champ teerex's in the near future?

Only for tfr at this point.

[andyn]

Dave, any chance of an R-Pro Rhyno, looking for something to replace my old S-E Rhynos eventually. Not a fan of the Pro plastic Rhyno.

If so, would that be in a variety of weights for the R-Pro.

Thanks for all you've done for the sport!

[gippy]

Originally Posted by davei

We mold the faster discs out of two different kinds of plastic. The Champion Destroyers were made of the more stable and less domey plastic. Generally we use the domey plastic with Star, rather than Champion.

Love hearing this thanks Dave

[davei]

Originally Posted by andyn

Dave, any chance of an R-Pro Rhyno, looking for something to replace my old S-E Rhynos eventually. Not a fan of the Pro plastic Rhyno.

If so, would that be in a variety of weights for the R-Pro.

Thanks for all you've done for the sport!

Yes, next time we run Rhynos, they will be in R-Pro. The weights for Rhynos are generally run from 165-175gms. Some will be a little lower.

[LastBoyScout]

Dave, I have a question about about this last run of Champ Bosses from the East Coast. They are Flat, just like the 1st run Champ Bosses were, but these things are slightly more stable than the initial release of the Production Bosses.

Were the 1st run Bosses molded/stablized in a different manner than the production versions were? Im trying to find a Boss that is a little less stable in the champion plastic and i figured that flat, like the 1st runs, is where its at. apparently I was wrong.

[davei]

Originally Posted by LastBoyScout

Dave, I have a question about about this last run of Champ Bosses from the East Coast. They are Flat, just like the 1st run Champ Bosses were, but these things are slightly more stable than the initial release of the Production Bosses.

Were the 1st run Bosses molded/stablized in a different manner than the production versions were? Im trying to find a Boss that is a little less stable in the champion plastic and i figured that flat, like the 1st runs, is where its at. apparently I was wrong.

The first run were stabilized the same way, but possibly a slightly different mix. If you want a slightly less stable Boss, you should try the Star Boss. The heavier ones are a little less stable. Don't get any less that 169 or it might by more stable. Another possibility is to get a Destroyer instead. They are a little less stable too. If you can find a domier Boss in Champion, that will tend to be a little less stable.

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave, and anyone else who knows-

How are max wt Glow Champ Wraiths different from max wt Star Wraiths? Flight, dome, grip comparison please.

Thanks!

[unclemercy]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave, and anyone else who knows-

How are max wt Glow Champ Wraiths different from max wt Star Wraiths? Flight, dome, grip comparison please.

Thanks!

comparisons might be difficult as max weight star wraiths have huge variance.

[davei]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave, and anyone else who knows-

How are max wt Glow Champ Wraiths different from max wt Star Wraiths? Flight, dome, grip comparison please.

Thanks!

I don't know specifically, but if it follows the same pattern as other high speed drivers and Glow Champ, I would say the Glow Champ would be more stable and lower profile. Just a guess.

[gippy]

I know my Champ glow whippet is more domey and not as overstable as my champuon Whippet.

[tokyo]

Hey dave what mold is the most stable orc, is champ not so clear discs, or star, or clear orcs should fly the same as the pearl orcs? I have an champ orc from 06 worlds still in my bag and it is more stable than the star ones i have thrown and have not come in to any pearl or solid orcs in awhile.

[davei]

Originally Posted by tokyo

Hey dave what mold is the most stable orc, is champ not so clear discs, or star, or clear orcs should fly the same as the pearl orcs? I have an champ orc from 06 worlds still in my bag and it is more stable than the star ones i have thrown and have not come in to any pearl or solid orcs in awhile.

Night Shift Orcs and Champion are consistently more stable than Star, I believe.

[AviarX]

Originally Posted by tokyo

Hey dave what mold is the most stable orc, is champ not so clear discs, or star, or clear orcs should fly the same as the pearl orcs? I have an champ orc from 06 worlds still in my bag and it is more stable than the star ones i have thrown and have not come in to any pearl or solid orcs in awhile.

my experience is that the first run pearly Champ Orcs are not as stable as the subsequent clearer runs. the clearer ones tend to be more overstable and more domey... I personally liked the pearly ones but will trade them for blue Tulsa Orcs... My understanding is that the SB (Tulsa) Orcs were basicly first run Star Orcs and seem more stable than the pearly Champs. Weren't Nightshift Orcs basicly the prototype SB/Star?

[AviarX]

Hi Dave,

I really like Star Destroyers, but am curious about Champs. Are they more or less stable? how do they compare to the Star?

[20460chase]

Originally Posted by AviarX

my experience is that the first run pearly Champ Orcs are not as stable as the subsequent clearer runs. the clearer ones tend to be more overstable and more domey... I personally liked the pearly ones but will trade them for blue Tulsa Orcs... My understanding is that the SB (Tulsa) Orcs were basicly first run Star Orcs and seem more stable than the pearly Champs. Weren't Nightshift Orcs basicly the prototype SB/Star?

Yes, but Night Shifts are better. Not nearly as stiff feeling as the SBs or Star. They feel like the Taffy CE plastic, especially if its used Taffy. I dont know about Pearl being in the 1st runs. To the best of my memory they were all cloudy clear, the pearls came after. I could be wrong, but I still have a stack of them, all with the belly button and the lack of pigment fully through the rim.

[LastBoyScout]

Alright Dave,

Thanks for the reply on my last question. I guess i just prefer Champ over Star in most cases as I find it beats in far less

That actually brings me to my next question.

This could just be scuttlebutt from around the Innova water cooler, but rumor has it that Innova is looking to start remaking CE or a very hard/durable CE like plastic again.

Can you shed any light?

Also, a buddy of mine has a Discraft Rattler. I like playing catch with it, but i find Innova more consistent than Discraft. (I know most people claim the opposite, maybe i just know what to look for from mold to mold/plastic to plastic)

Is there anything in the Innova line that flies as close? Ive tried the Aero, love the disc but its just so dang FAST! The Sonic was way to flippy. Im wanting something to throw those nice air bounces/floats/stalls for approach shots. Your suggestion would be helpful and appreciated.