Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[mitchjustice]

Can anyone tell me something about the following disc


White DX T-Bird....with some kind of a color sticker(heat transfer type)...4 1/2 inch by 1 1/2 inch..."INNOVA Disc Golf" with the swosh...Rancho on the back

Thanks

[dgdave]

Pic?

[MischiefMKR]

Originally Posted by pdorries

I love Rocs. Rancho and san marino molds both. Great for hyzers, put a little anny on my stable roc and it pans out flat. I wish I had a beat up roc in a durable plastic that flew like this, but I don't. Ontario mold doesnt appeal to me much at all.

I need an Innova midrange that I can buy brand new, throw with a little hyzer and get it to work up flat and to the right (RHBH assumed). Looking for something pretty durable so anything CE, champion, or star

I have seen discraft throwers throw meteors for shots that I'm talking about. They seem to just flip up and hold a nice straight anny line without rolling over like a beat disc.

I have tried champ/star cro and champ cobra and star kite, none of which do what Im looking for. Kite is more of a fairway driver mold anyways. Should I try a shark? am I going to be able to throw it 300-350 like my rocs or will it not go as far?

Thanks for any input on this Dave.

Hey Pdorries i only throw rocs also try an ontario roc i have a dx classic roc that is beat in do basically throw it flat and watch it flip and watch it fly

http://www.innovadiscs.com/discs/classicroc.html

[shteev]

my 9x roc is money right now to throw hyzer and watch it just flip right up and fly straight and finish right. BEAUTIFUL!

[fgokid3313]

Hi Dave,
Just picked up a new champion rancho roc. I lost my 06 eye stamp and went with a new USDG version. Thing is, this roc has much more dome and the plastic seems harder and more poppy. The result is that it flips when I throw it hard. It is way less over stable than my 06 rancho roc was. The 06 roc was much flatter with softer plastic. Is this a new mold? Also, is there any plan to make them flatter like the older one's so that they are more over stable? I would much rather throw a roc than a shockwave but I need a mid range I can throw a long way in a head wind without flipping over. Thanks in advance for the insight.

Greg B.

[davei]

Originally Posted by fgokid3313

Hi Dave,
Just picked up a new champion rancho roc. I lost my 06 eye stamp and went with a new USDG version. Thing is, this roc has much more dome and the plastic seems harder and more poppy. The result is that it flips when I throw it hard. It is way less over stable than my 06 rancho roc was. The 06 roc was much flatter with softer plastic. Is this a new mold? Also, is there any plan to make them flatter like the older one's so that they are more over stable? I would much rather throw a roc than a shockwave but I need a mid range I can throw a long way in a head wind without flipping over. Thanks in advance for the insight.

Greg B.

The mold is the same, with one possible exception. The nose on the more stable version is sharper than the nose on the slightly less stable version. The dome is an artifact of the blend of material we get from the manufacturer. Sometimes they come out domier, and sometimes less. We can, however make softer Rocs, which will come out flatter. Apparently, you got one of those. For the past two or three years we have been making them slightly stiffer, that may be the reason they are slightly domier.

Thanks for the feedback.

[gippy]

Originally Posted by fgokid3313

Hi Dave,
Just picked up a new champion rancho roc. I lost my 06 eye stamp and went with a new USDG version. Thing is, this roc has much more dome and the plastic seems harder and more poppy. The result is that it flips when I throw it hard. It is way less over stable than my 06 rancho roc was. The 06 roc was much flatter with softer plastic. Is this a new mold? Also, is there any plan to make them flatter like the older one's so that they are more over stable? I would much rather throw a roc than a shockwave but I need a mid range I can throw a long way in a head wind without flipping over. Thanks in advance for the insight.

Greg B.

Get yourself a 2005 Glow USDGC Champ Rancho they are pigs. I have had one in my bag for 2 1/2 years now and it just started to flip to flat but still wont anny out even in a head wind most stable Roc i have ever thrown

[hankdabank]

Pretty much every glow champ roc ever made has these characteristics, with the exception of the ones released this year. There are some of the older, flatter ones available on dgu at www.discgolfunited.com

[hawkgammon]

Dave,

Most of the Innova line-up is 21.2cm. But the Roc and a couple of other midranges are 21.7cm. What is the advantage/reason of a midrange being 21.7cm like a Roc vs. 21.2 for a Spider or Cro etc.?

[davei]

Originally Posted by hawkgammon

Dave,

Most of the Innova line-up is 21.2cm. But the Roc and a couple of other midranges are 21.7cm. What is the advantage/reason of a midrange being 21.7cm like a Roc vs. 21.2 for a Spider or Cro etc.?

All things held equal, larger discs are slower, with more carry, more forgiving of throwing errors, and easier to perform finesse shots. Small discs are easier to launch and faster.

[mitchjustice]

Originally Posted by mitchjustice

Can anyone tell me something about the following disc


White DX T-Bird....with some kind of a color sticker(heat transfer type)...4 1/2 inch by 1 1/2 inch..."INNOVA Disc Golf" with the swosh...Rancho on the back

Thanks

anyone,... bueller....bueller

[dgdave]

Any pictures?

[gippy]

Originally Posted by hankdabank

Pretty much every glow champ roc ever made has these characteristics, with the exception of the ones released this year. There are some of the older, flatter ones available on dgu at www.discgolfunited.com

Where do you see Champ Glows there I am missing them Maybe a direct link

[hankdabank]

Here you go:

http://www.discgolfunited.com/Store/...rod_cat_id=101

[mitchjustice]

Originally Posted by dgdave

Any pictures?

http://www.teamjusticediscgolf.com/P7020073.JPG

Here is a link to a picture...note that it is not a foil stamp...thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by mitchjustice

http://www.teamjusticediscgolf.com/P7020073.JPG

Here is a link to a picture...note that it is not a foil stamp...thanks

I don't remember it, but it looks like a test of either Full Color or transfer technology. The disc was probably secondary to the test. My guess.

[tokyo]

Hey dave have you done a let of testing on the grooves, the first one i owned was nice, it was an understable boss like disc, but the one i have in the bag now is stable, dont know if you know anything about it.

[davei]

Originally Posted by tokyo

Hey dave have you done a let of testing on the grooves, the first one i owned was nice, it was an understable boss like disc, but the one i have in the bag now is stable, dont know if you know anything about it.

Yes, I have noticed that the softer domier Grooves fly more like they are supposed to than the slightly stiffer and flatter Grooves.

[CB2]

Sorry if this question was already asked!

Where are the FB Firebirds? The Firebirds shipped out now(F) aren't as overstable as the old 11X / FB Firebirds!

[davei]

Originally Posted by CB2

Sorry if this question was already asked!

Where are the FB Firebirds? The Firebirds shipped out now(F) aren't as overstable as the old 11X / FB Firebirds!

F and FB are the same. Apparently 11X and present are not. We are receiving new batch of material soon (which largely determines how stable the discs like Firebirds are), hopefully it will produce more stable Firebirds than it has recently. Every batch is slightly to more than slightly different, unfortunately.

[dgdave]

Dave,
The boss is great. Thanks!

[gokayaksteven]

Hey Dave- any idea when we will see some champ or star gator x's?

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Hey Dave- any idea when we will see some champ or star gator x's?

No, not at this time. All new Gators will be X type.

[gokayaksteven]

one more:
how does dome affect stability of champion rancho rocs? is more domey (poppy-top) more (over)stable or less?
thanks again

[CB2]

Originally Posted by davei

F and FB are the same. Apparently 11X and present are not. We are receiving new batch of material soon (which largely determines how stable the discs like Firebirds are), hopefully it will produce more stable Firebirds than it has recently. Every batch is slightly to more than slightly different, unfortunately.

I have bought several 12X/F Firebirds and they tend to flip on me when I am throwing them into a head wind but my 11X/Fb's just hyzer(which is what I like)!

I have found a few 12X Firebirds that say FB not F and they seem to be like the 11X Stability!

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

one more:
how does dome affect stability of champion rancho rocs? is more domey (poppy-top) more (over)stable or less?
thanks again

Generally, dome is an indication of too much shrink, but not always. Generally, I would expect a domey disc to be less overstable than a flatter disc. Dome actually helps straight line stability, (not over stability). However, when it is an artifact of too much shrink, the nose angle can be changed adversely, which can affect high speed stability.

[gokayaksteven]

anyone know if the new star firebirds are anymore overstable than the 12x champs?

[CB2]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

anyone know if the new star firebirds are anymore overstable than the 12x champs?

I just played a round with 2 brand new Star Firebirds(SFB) and they are both more overstable than the 12x Champs!

[gokayaksteven]

does the Banshee compare stability-wise to the firebird?

[gippy]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

does the Banshee compare stability-wise to the firebird?

Banshee kinda compares to a firebird just not as long. It's not as fast and little less fade at the end but just as stable