Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 329

davei · Jul 07 2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Hi Dave,

Have you figured out why Champion Glo plastic rules yet? Why does it seem to age slower and better than all other types of Champion plastic? Also, when will we see Glo Star?

Thanks.

I have no clue why Champion Glo is better. Maybe the glow pigment agrees with the plastic. We do use another ingredient that helps it stick and might make it grippier, but I have no clue why it works.

We probably won't be making any Star Glo. It doesn't technically agree with the Star plastic.

Jgrasseth · Jul 07 2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

Yes, basically we have a schedule that we run. We those discs come up in the schedule, we can try R-Pro. The Pig was just up and the JK is coming up next. The Rhyno is still a way out.

Will the JK Avairs that you run all be R-Pro? How soft can you (will you) make these?

gippy · Jul 07 2009, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

Hi Dave,

Have you figured out why Champion Glo plastic rules yet? Why does it seem to age slower and better than all other types of Champion plastic? Also, when will we see Glo Star?

Thanks.

I would love to see all innova champion discs made out of this plastic it does RULE A Champ Glow Destroyer I got acts like a Boss for me real stable wont flip even in a strong head wind

davei · Jul 08 2009, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jgrasseth

Will the JK Avairs that you run all be R-Pro? How soft can you (will you) make these?

JKs were basically the first of the R-Pros. We now have a more consistent and controllable type of R-Pro Molding will dictate how soft we make the new run. We plan to start as soft as the R-Pro Aviar P&A and Dart. If we need to adjust for some reason, we can.

shteev · Jul 08 2009, 07:01 AM

do you know, roughly, the dates around which the first run of r-pro jk's was run? and would it be possible to have had that run of jk's been sent out. we got some black, blue, orange and yellow ones back in the beginning of april. i guess they would have been stamped end of march?

BabyTBird · Jul 08 2009, 11:43 AM

Any chance for ECO Teebirds?

20460chase · Jul 08 2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

I have no clue why Champion Glo is better. Maybe the glow pigment agrees with the plastic. We do use another ingredient that helps it stick and might make it grippier, but I have no clue why it works.

We probably won't be making any Star Glo. It doesn't technically agree with the Star plastic.

I think that other ingredient is the winner. I doubt its possible, but would that add in stability as well, since most Glo seems to be more overstable than the other plastic versions?

davei · Jul 08 2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shteev

do you know, roughly, the dates around which the first run of r-pro jk's was run? and would it be possible to have had that run of jk's been sent out. we got some black, blue, orange and yellow ones back in the beginning of april. i guess they would have been stamped end of march?

The new type R-Pro hasn't been run for JKs yet. Just the original type we have been using for years. The new run is scheduled for the next few weeks.

davei · Jul 08 2009, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTBird

Any chance for ECO Teebirds?

Definitely

davei · Jul 08 2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

I think that other ingredient is the winner. I doubt its possible, but would that add in stability as well, since most Glo seems to be more overstable than the other plastic versions?

The other ingredient could change the way the plastic anneals, but I really have no idea. It was really used to keep the glo pigment from clumping.

listen2bob · Jul 09 2009, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Then that makes the Hero Destroyers the rarest.

Just looked back and it was 244 total. so 122 of each hotstamp

http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/browsepr...Test-Run).HTML

futurecollisions · Jul 09 2009, 02:51 PM

Hey Dave,

What would you say is the most understable Boss and most understable Destroyer (not including the 150 pro bosses)

Thanks

davei · Jul 09 2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by futurecollisions

Hey Dave,

What would you say is the most understable Boss and most understable Destroyer (not including the 150 pro bosses)

Thanks

From my experience, the Star Bosses in the heavier weights have been the most under stable. That being said, they are not particularly under stable unless you blast them into a good wind. On the other hand, the lighter weight Starlight Stars (165-166) have been some of the most over stable.

pdorries · Jul 09 2009, 05:06 PM

I love Rocs. Rancho and san marino molds both. Great for hyzers, put a little anny on my stable roc and it pans out flat. I wish I had a beat up roc in a durable plastic that flew like this, but I don't. Ontario mold doesnt appeal to me much at all.

I need an Innova midrange that I can buy brand new, throw with a little hyzer and get it to work up flat and to the right (RHBH assumed). Looking for something pretty durable so anything CE, champion, or star

I have seen discraft throwers throw meteors for shots that I'm talking about. They seem to just flip up and hold a nice straight anny line without rolling over like a beat disc.

I have tried champ/star cro and champ cobra and star kite, none of which do what Im looking for. Kite is more of a fairway driver mold anyways. Should I try a shark? am I going to be able to throw it 300-350 like my rocs or will it not go as far?

Thanks for any input on this Dave.

bruce_brakel · Jul 09 2009, 06:19 PM

Dave, would PDorries forfeit your love and respect if he just threw a Meteor for a disc that flies like a Meteor?

gokayaksteven · Jul 09 2009, 06:24 PM

Dave-- are the currently available lighter star destroyers more overstable around 167 like the boss?

davei · Jul 09 2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pdorries

I love Rocs. Rancho and san marino molds both. Great for hyzers, put a little anny on my stable roc and it pans out flat. I wish I had a beat up roc in a durable plastic that flew like this, but I don't. Ontario mold doesnt appeal to me much at all.

I need an Innova midrange that I can buy brand new, throw with a little hyzer and get it to work up flat and to the right (RHBH assumed). Looking for something pretty durable so anything CE, champion, or star

I have seen discraft throwers throw meteors for shots that I'm talking about. They seem to just flip up and hold a nice straight anny line without rolling over like a beat disc.

I have tried champ/star cro and champ cobra and star kite, none of which do what Im looking for. Kite is more of a fairway driver mold anyways. Should I try a shark? am I going to be able to throw it 300-350 like my rocs or will it not go as far?

Thanks for any input on this Dave.

You can try what I use; a Champion or Star Coyote. You would have to beat a Shark.

davei · Jul 09 2009, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Dave-- are the currently available lighter star destroyers more overstable around 167 like the boss?

Possibly, we did run some Starlight in the Destroyer machine. However it's not a good bet as some of the older run Star Destroyers in the lighter weights (167) were only average in stability. I throw those as they make very good long range straight discs and excellent power rollers for sidearm and backhand.

We will be doing some Starlight Destroyers fairly soon.

davei · Jul 09 2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce_brakel

Dave, would PDorries forfeit your love and respect if he just threw a Meteor for a disc that flies like a Meteor?

No, definitely his choice. I like Nate just fine too. (Oh and Mark Ellis and Brad etc. ect.)

gippy · Jul 09 2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pdorries

I love Rocs. Rancho and san marino molds both. Great for hyzers, put a little anny on my stable roc and it pans out flat. I wish I had a beat up roc in a durable plastic that flew like this, but I don't. Ontario mold doesnt appeal to me much at all.

I need an Innova midrange that I can buy brand new, throw with a little hyzer and get it to work up flat and to the right (RHBH assumed). Looking for something pretty durable so anything CE, champion, or star

I have seen discraft throwers throw meteors for shots that I'm talking about. They seem to just flip up and hold a nice straight anny line without rolling over like a beat disc.

I have tried champ/star cro and champ cobra and star kite, none of which do what Im looking for. Kite is more of a fairway driver mold anyways. Should I try a shark? am I going to be able to throw it 300-350 like my rocs or will it not go as far?

Thanks for any input on this Dave.

I was gonna say a spider.......To Bad they dont make a stingray in champ but they do make it in star. I have had 2 Champ Rocs in the bag for over 2 years now and they still dont flip flat and anny. One flips flat to straight but still finishes on the Hyzer. Nothing beats a beat in KC Roc for the shot your looking for. Maybe a Leopard but may be to long for what you want

futurecollisions · Jul 10 2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by davei

Possibly, we did run some Starlight in the Destroyer machine. However it's not a good bet as some of the older run Star Destroyers in the lighter weights (167) were only average in stability. I throw those as they make very good long range straight discs and excellent power rollers for sidearm and backhand.

We will be doing some Starlight Destroyers fairly soon.

thanks Dave.

i dont know what it is but every star disc i throw (wraith, destroyer, boss) is very overstable in any weight, maybe its my technique. think i will stick with pro destroyers

DSproAVIAR · Jul 10 2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gippy

Nothing beats a beat in KC Roc for the shot your looking for.

Pdorries, this is true. After buying a new KC Roc and beating it in for 4-6 months, it will give you the flight you are looking for. Also, you will become very familiar and comfortable with it's flight after the amount of throws it takes to beat one in. It just takes time.

unclemercy · Jul 10 2009, 01:28 PM

pdorries, you should go beat the shark.

pdorries · Jul 10 2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bruce_brakel

Dave, would PDorries forfeit your love and respect if he just threw a Meteor for a disc that flies like a Meteor?

i only throw the best, and there can only be one best. and im not sucking up on the innova thread, i'd tell the same thing to a beginner

pdorries · Jul 10 2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Pdorries, this is true. After buying a new KC Roc and beating it in for 4-6 months, it will give you the flight you are looking for. Also, you will become very familiar and comfortable with it's flight after the amount of throws it takes to beat one in. It just takes time.

ive decided this is what im going to do!

Thanks for all the feedback everyone, your responses were very helpful.

Just thinking about the shape of the disc, i feel like a really beat up cro might be what im looking for too. i gotta take some discs to the woods

krazyeye · Jul 10 2009, 04:45 PM

If you want to beat up a disc fast get a RPro wood Roc. They are weak.

gokayaksteven · Jul 10 2009, 05:50 PM

beat cro is very nice. can be thrown hard and get a late right turn out of it.

rizbee · Jul 10 2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by pdorries

ive decided this is what im going to do!

Thanks for all the feedback everyone, your responses were very helpful.

Just thinking about the shape of the disc, i feel like a really beat up cro might be what im looking for too. i gotta take some discs to the woods

Try a Champion Panther. Profile-wise they are very close to the Meteor and in my experience fly similarly.

bcary93 · Jul 10 2009, 10:26 PM

I'm no expert, but I think a Coyote is similar to a Meteor.

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Originally Posted by rizbee

Try a Champion Panther. Profile-wise they are very close to the Meteor and in my experience fly similarly.

hankdabank · Jul 13 2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rizbee

Try a Champion Panther. Profile-wise they are very close to the Meteor and in my experience fly similarly.

2nd.

Jul 09 2009, 05:06 PM	#9854
pdorries PDGA Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 1,051	I love Rocs. Rancho and san marino molds both. Great for hyzers, put a little anny on my stable roc and it pans out flat. I wish I had a beat up roc in a durable plastic that flew like this, but I don't. Ontario mold doesnt appeal to me much at all. I need an Innova midrange that I can buy brand new, throw with a little hyzer and get it to work up flat and to the right (RHBH assumed). Looking for something pretty durable so anything CE, champion, or star I have seen discraft throwers throw meteors for shots that I'm talking about. They seem to just flip up and hold a nice straight anny line without rolling over like a beat disc. I have tried champ/star cro and champ cobra and star kite, none of which do what Im looking for. Kite is more of a fairway driver mold anyways. Should I try a shark? am I going to be able to throw it 300-350 like my rocs or will it not go as far? Thanks for any input on this Dave. __________________ ...TEAM INNOVA...

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bruce_brakel PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dying More Discs Posts: 5,571	Dave, would PDorries forfeit your love and respect if he just threw a Meteor for a disc that flies like a Meteor? __________________ Circuit court staff attorney - 25 years. My judge must retire. Looking for employment.

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shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	do you know, roughly, the dates around which the first run of r-pro jk's was run? and would it be possible to have had that run of jk's been sent out. we got some black, blue, orange and yellow ones back in the beginning of april. i guess they would have been stamped end of march?

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BabyTBird PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 57	Any chance for ECO Teebirds?

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futurecollisions PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: houston Posts: 233	Hey Dave, What would you say is the most understable Boss and most understable Destroyer (not including the 150 pro bosses) Thanks

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gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	Dave-- are the currently available lighter star destroyers more overstable around 167 like the boss?

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unclemercy Community Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 276	pdorries, you should go beat the shark.

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krazyeye PDGA Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Portland Posts: 2,250	If you want to beat up a disc fast get a RPro wood Roc. They are weak.

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gokayaksteven PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: telluride, co Posts: 1,489	beat cro is very nice. can be thrown hard and get a late right turn out of it.