Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs - Page 328

davei · Jun 26 2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by peterkunoff

I have owned an Innova competition bag since they came out......love it and it is still in good condition. However, the insert/ disc separator is warped and the velcro if tearing off the plastic......do you know where I can pickup a replacement???

thanks

Contact the East Coast Office. They need to know this. I don't know if we stock extra inserts, but see what they can do. This is a good reason to stock them in the future though.

dobbins66 · Jun 29 2009, 04:54 PM

Were there any Star Birdies produced? I remember seeing a limited run of R-Pro and thought(heard?) that there may have been some Star ones as well. Thanks for the help.

20460chase · Jun 29 2009, 07:02 PM

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...7acd6d92069881

Any idea how other people can get thier own x out stamp done? When I order them I dont get to choose anything, just get what I get. Is this just a West Coast thing? Thanks for your insight.

davei · Jun 29 2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dobbins66

Were there any Star Birdies produced? I remember seeing a limited run of R-Pro and thought(heard?) that there may have been some Star ones as well. Thanks for the help.

I'm not sure about Star, but there were some driver Pro Birdies made several years ago.

davei · Jun 29 2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 20460chase

https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...7acd6d92069881

Any idea how other people can get thier own x out stamp done? When I order them I dont get to choose anything, just get what I get. Is this just a West Coast thing? Thanks for your insight.

I don't really know how they are handled. I do know that the West Coast has the overwhelming majority of the X-parts and when we ship any to the East Coast, they are unsorted. We are in the process of sorting, but that could take a long time. It may be the unsorted nature of the X-parts that makes it difficult to choose specific models and weights. I know there must be some problem as we don't sell very many X-outs.

Drew32 · Jun 30 2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

I don't really know how they are handled. I do know that the West Coast has the overwhelming majority of the X-parts and when we ship any to the East Coast, they are unsorted. We are in the process of sorting, but that could take a long time. It may be the unsorted nature of the X-parts that makes it difficult to choose specific models and weights. I know there must be some problem as we don't sell very many X-outs.

Are the X-outs stamped with the X-out stamp at Innova West or are they left unstamped before being shipped to Innova East?

Trey133 · Jun 30 2009, 10:50 AM

Dave,

I feel like you would sell more x-out discs if you took the stamp completely off X-outs, keep them clean so that these discs could be bought cheaply for the option of dye's or private hotstamping.

I know that any X-out I get I usually take everything but the "Innova" off and then the disc resembles old SE discs which is kinda neat. If you took the whole stamp off minus the small x that is written in pen then that would save alot of people the hassle of removing that in the first place.

Personally, although I think its neat that DG Values has their own factory second hotstamp, all the Xout and Factory Second hotstamps kinda look trashy. Keep the disc free of any stamp and I believe they will sell better.

davei · Jun 30 2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew32

Are the X-outs stamped with the X-out stamp at Innova West or are they left unstamped before being shipped to Innova East?

Most of them are not stamped. Some are double stamped, I believe.

MattyInRR · Jul 01 2009, 10:10 AM

Dave we need a new big hyzer disc... as fast as the boss but even more stable! whats in the works? are you making echo boss's yet? And whats up with that test plastic that looks like champion but they say is less durable than dx? you never really commented about that other than it "may" be some stable destroyers...

20460chase · Jul 01 2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trey133

Dave,

I feel like you would sell more x-out discs if you took the stamp completely off X-outs, keep them clean so that these discs could be bought cheaply for the option of dye's or private hotstamping.

I know that any X-out I get I usually take everything but the "Innova" off and then the disc resembles old SE discs which is kinda neat. If you took the whole stamp off minus the small x that is written in pen then that would save alot of people the hassle of removing that in the first place.

Personally, although I think its neat that DG Values has their own factory second hotstamp, all the Xout and Factory Second hotstamps kinda look trashy. Keep the disc free of any stamp and I believe they will sell better.

Most people dont care about stamps. They care about saving a few bucks or maybe trying something new for cheaper, which is the point. We actually sell more of the double stamped versions than we would blank ones.

20460chase · Jul 01 2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

I don't really know how they are handled. I do know that the West Coast has the overwhelming majority of the X-parts and when we ship any to the East Coast, they are unsorted. We are in the process of sorting, but that could take a long time. It may be the unsorted nature of the X-parts that makes it difficult to choose specific models and weights. I know there must be some problem as we don't sell very many X-outs.

As Ive said many times before, I guess Im stuck on the wrong coast. I also think one person having something nobody else in the world seems to has is basically unfair. I could understand if Mark had a hot stamper in his basement, but I would bet he doesnt.

krupicka · Jul 01 2009, 12:33 PM

Xouts should not be blank as it would be too easy for an unscrupulous seller to pass them off as discs that passed quality control.

shteev · Jul 01 2009, 03:24 PM

should there be a thread for people to correct what others have said so that this could be questions to and answers from dave(or whomever has the correct answer). or a complainer's thread for people to just gripe about the things they have no control over? haha sorry

davei · Jul 01 2009, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattyInRR

Dave we need a new big hyzer disc... as fast as the boss but even more stable! whats in the works? are you making echo boss's yet? And whats up with that test plastic that looks like champion but they say is less durable than dx? you never really commented about that other than it "may" be some stable destroyers...

The plastic that "looks like Champion" turned out to be a test of R-Pro. Nothing is currently in the works for a disc more over stable than a Champion Boss, however we could produce three versions of more stable 13 speed discs. We may start to test these later this year. Meanwhile, if you want a more over stable Boss, you might try a 167 g Star Boss. Some are seriously over stable.

vadiscgolf · Jul 01 2009, 10:36 PM

Maybe if the X-outs were cheaper since they mostly are sold for $2-$3 less than a disc without molding errors, and I've seen some indented, wavy topped discs that would never fly like a properly molded disc. A stamping error is one thing but a disc that is flat on one half and domey on the other is just wrong. Some money should be better than regrind or the trash.

pdiddy71 · Jul 03 2009, 01:50 PM

Dave, Any update on when we might see r pro rhynos?
thanks!

davei · Jul 03 2009, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pdiddy71

Dave, Any update on when we might see r pro rhynos?
thanks!

Not yet. It's going to be several months, it looks like.

Merkaba311 · Jul 04 2009, 11:12 AM

Dave,

What are the chances of ever seeing an R-Pro Max in a lighter weight (150ish)?

Would a light weight Max still be a Max?

Also, is the R-Pro Xcal more overstable than the R-Pro Boss?

davei · Jul 04 2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Merkaba311

Dave,

What are the chances of ever seeing an R-Pro Max in a lighter weight (150ish)?

Would a light weight Max still be a Max?

Also, is the R-Pro Xcal more overstable than the R-Pro Boss?

R-Pro is not particularly good for making a disc over stable. If we could find a blend that kept the stability, we might do it.

mikeP · Jul 06 2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by davei

Nothing is currently in the works for a disc more over stable than a Champion Boss, however we could produce three versions of more stable 13 speed discs. We may start to test these later this year.

I am confused by this statement...Do you mean that you won't be making a more OVERstable speed 13, but you will be making more stable (straighter, less overstable) speed 13 disc? Or did you just mean that a more overstable disc is not in development yet, but will be? Thanks as always!

shteev · Jul 06 2009, 10:40 AM

maybe 3 different stages of stability within the 3 versions of more stable 13 speed discs? i think i just confused myself more. haha

davei · Jul 06 2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by shteev

maybe 3 different stages of stability within the 3 versions of more stable 13 speed discs? i think i just confused myself more. haha

I think this is right. We have two XCaliber types and one Max type in speed 13 that we have not as yet tried. I am not sure if we will ever use them or not. I don't believe candy will be possible in the Max type, but it might in the XCal type. On the other hand, the Max type may be the best for DX or R-Pro, as it is a stronger configuration. This might make a very useful light weight driver.

shteev · Jul 07 2009, 06:44 AM

which is more rare...the nightshift destroyer with bar stamp or the "test plastic" destroyers that came from herodiscusa.com?

davei · Jul 07 2009, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by shteev

which is more rare...the nightshift destroyer with bar stamp or the "test plastic" destroyers that came from herodiscusa.com?

Sorry, I don't know anything about the bar stamp. There were fewer "test plastic" destroyers than night shift destroyers, but when you add the stamp, I don't know.

RhynoBoy · Jul 07 2009, 11:21 AM

Dave,

It seems to me that the new R-pro plastic would compliment the molds of the Rhyno, JK Pro Aviar, and Pig wonderfully. Especially since some of the more recent runs of these discs in old "soft pro" weren't really all that soft. Were the other discs that got ran in R-Pro already on the schedule, and Innova just decided to run them in R-pro? (I.E. Hydra, Skeeter, Cro) Or was Innova looking for other discs to try in R-Pro and bumped these molds up the schedule? I guess it really doesn't matter, I have just been awaiting to see the Rhyno and JK Aviar in a new Softer plastic since I heard of R-Pro. It will be like having the SE Rhyno and 3x JK Aviar without the larger price tag.

Thanks for listening and answering all of our petty questions!

Chris

twoputtok · Jul 07 2009, 11:59 AM

I have one of the R-Pro Hydras and it is anything but soft. Feels like champ plastic and is over stable.

listen2bob · Jul 07 2009, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davei

Sorry, I don't know anything about the bar stamp. There were fewer "test plastic" destroyers than night shift destroyers, but when you add the stamp, I don't know.

I believe there were equal numbers of mini bar and mini star nightshifts (250 of each?)
Wish they made more cause mine is money.

davei · Jul 07 2009, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RhynoBoy

Dave,

It seems to me that the new R-pro plastic would compliment the molds of the Rhyno, JK Pro Aviar, and Pig wonderfully. Especially since some of the more recent runs of these discs in old "soft pro" weren't really all that soft. Were the other discs that got ran in R-Pro already on the schedule, and Innova just decided to run them in R-pro? (I.E. Hydra, Skeeter, Cro) Or was Innova looking for other discs to try in R-Pro and bumped these molds up the schedule? I guess it really doesn't matter, I have just been awaiting to see the Rhyno and JK Aviar in a new Softer plastic since I heard of R-Pro. It will be like having the SE Rhyno and 3x JK Aviar without the larger price tag.

Thanks for listening and answering all of our petty questions!

Chris

Yes, basically we have a schedule that we run. We those discs come up in the schedule, we can try R-Pro. The Pig was just up and the JK is coming up next. The Rhyno is still a way out.

davei · Jul 07 2009, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listen2bob

I believe there were equal numbers of mini bar and mini star nightshifts (250 of each?)
Wish they made more cause mine is money.

Then that makes the Hero Destroyers the rarest.

20460chase · Jul 07 2009, 03:28 PM

Hi Dave,

Have you figured out why Champion Glo plastic rules yet? Why does it seem to age slower and better than all other types of Champion plastic? Also, when will we see Glo Star?

Thanks.

Jun 29 2009, 07:02 PM	#9813
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	https://www.discgolfvalues.com/store...7acd6d92069881 Any idea how other people can get thier own x out stamp done? When I order them I dont get to choose anything, just get what I get. Is this just a West Coast thing? Thanks for your insight. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

Jun 30 2009, 10:50 AM	#9817
Trey133 PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 114	X out sales Dave, I feel like you would sell more x-out discs if you took the stamp completely off X-outs, keep them clean so that these discs could be bought cheaply for the option of dye's or private hotstamping. I know that any X-out I get I usually take everything but the "Innova" off and then the disc resembles old SE discs which is kinda neat. If you took the whole stamp off minus the small x that is written in pen then that would save alot of people the hassle of removing that in the first place. Personally, although I think its neat that DG Values has their own factory second hotstamp, all the Xout and Factory Second hotstamps kinda look trashy. Keep the disc free of any stamp and I believe they will sell better.

Jul 07 2009, 03:28 PM	#9840
20460chase PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 2630 16th St. Moline IL Posts: 2,085	Hi Dave, Have you figured out why Champion Glo plastic rules yet? Why does it seem to age slower and better than all other types of Champion plastic? Also, when will we see Glo Star? Thanks. __________________ www.ironliondgs.com www.iowaDG.com "I dont come to bow, I come to conquer"- Bob Marley

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Jun 29 2009, 04:54 PM	#9812
dobbins66 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 97	Were there any Star Birdies produced? I remember seeing a limited run of R-Pro and thought(heard?) that there may have been some Star ones as well. Thanks for the help.

Jul 01 2009, 10:10 AM	#9819
MattyInRR PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Round Rock, Tx Posts: 312	Dave we need a new big hyzer disc... as fast as the boss but even more stable! whats in the works? are you making echo boss's yet? And whats up with that test plastic that looks like champion but they say is less durable than dx? you never really commented about that other than it "may" be some stable destroyers...

Jul 01 2009, 12:33 PM	#9822
krupicka PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 1,423	Xouts should not be blank as it would be too easy for an unscrupulous seller to pass them off as discs that passed quality control.

Jul 01 2009, 03:24 PM	#9823
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	should there be a thread for people to correct what others have said so that this could be questions to and answers from dave(or whomever has the correct answer). or a complainer's thread for people to just gripe about the things they have no control over? haha sorry

Jul 01 2009, 10:36 PM	#9825
vadiscgolf PDGA Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Grange Posts: 183	Maybe if the X-outs were cheaper since they mostly are sold for $2-$3 less than a disc without molding errors, and I've seen some indented, wavy topped discs that would never fly like a properly molded disc. A stamping error is one thing but a disc that is flat on one half and domey on the other is just wrong. Some money should be better than regrind or the trash.

Jul 03 2009, 01:50 PM	#9826
pdiddy71 Community Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: lynchburg,va Posts: 178	Dave, Any update on when we might see r pro rhynos? thanks!

Jul 04 2009, 11:12 AM	#9828
Merkaba311 Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 143	Dave, What are the chances of ever seeing an R-Pro Max in a lighter weight (150ish)? Would a light weight Max still be a Max? Also, is the R-Pro Xcal more overstable than the R-Pro Boss?

Jul 06 2009, 10:40 AM	#9831
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	maybe 3 different stages of stability within the 3 versions of more stable 13 speed discs? i think i just confused myself more. haha

Jul 07 2009, 06:44 AM	#9833
shteev Community Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lynchburg, VIrginia Posts: 137	which is more rare...the nightshift destroyer with bar stamp or the "test plastic" destroyers that came from herodiscusa.com?

Jul 07 2009, 11:21 AM	#9835
RhynoBoy PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: The Sunflower State Posts: 519	Dave, It seems to me that the new R-pro plastic would compliment the molds of the Rhyno, JK Pro Aviar, and Pig wonderfully. Especially since some of the more recent runs of these discs in old "soft pro" weren't really all that soft. Were the other discs that got ran in R-Pro already on the schedule, and Innova just decided to run them in R-pro? (I.E. Hydra, Skeeter, Cro) Or was Innova looking for other discs to try in R-Pro and bumped these molds up the schedule? I guess it really doesn't matter, I have just been awaiting to see the Rhyno and JK Aviar in a new Softer plastic since I heard of R-Pro. It will be like having the SE Rhyno and 3x JK Aviar without the larger price tag. Thanks for listening and answering all of our petty questions! Chris

Jul 07 2009, 11:59 AM	#9836
twoputtok PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Tulsa Ok. Posts: 10,360	I have one of the R-Pro Hydras and it is anything but soft. Feels like champ plastic and is over stable.