Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[Fossil]

Originally Posted by gippy

Dave,

Any plans to run the Classic Roc in Champion plastic again???

The Champion Classic Roc was part of the CFR program a few years back, but are not on the current list. I have 3 left from a tourney then if you need one. PM if you like.

Dave
I have a dyed pro Classic Roc from a few years ago, have you considered a run of Pro this year???

[davei]

Originally Posted by Fossil

The Champion Classic Roc was part of the CFR program a few years back, but are not on the current list. I have 3 left from a tourney then if you need one. PM if you like.

Dave
I have a dyed pro Classic Roc from a few years ago, have you considered a run of Pro this year???

The Classic Roc is not currently on our schedule, so any Champion or Pro will have to wait.

[gokayaksteven]

Dave-Thanks. The pro destroyer is my favorite long driver. I personally need the grip of pro in such a wide-rimmed driver. Looking forward to the pro Boss. any idea on when we may see it?
thanks

[discette]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Dave-Thanks. The pro destroyer is my favorite long driver. I personally need the grip of pro in such a wide-rimmed driver. Looking forward to the pro Boss. any idea on when we may see it?
thanks

The Pro Boss is currently available here: http://www.primediscs.com/proddetail...o-09vo&cat=122

[gokayaksteven]

thanks--I think I will wait till the production run. they only have heavy black ones.

[krazyeye]

Will the dart come out in any other plastic besides R-Pro?

[davei]

Originally Posted by chaos143

Will the dart come out in any other plastic besides R-Pro?

Next run of Darts, we will experiment with a Soft Star. We will also try a stiffer grippy R-Pro. Not sure about DX.

[pdorries]

Dave,

I am, like many others, a big fan of the dark green eco plastic. recently you ran a batch of wraiths in the dark green and I got a hold of a couple of those and they are SO SWEET (i dont even think calling them wraiths is fair, but they are... and so stable).

i also got one of the destroyers that were done in a little lighter green plastic, also very good, really fast.

my question is... will we ever see some other molds in the dark green star eco plastic?

Personally, I would love to see firebirds and teebirds made with the dark stuff, is this a possibility? I know I'm not the only one who loves this plastic... there is a definite market for it.

Thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by pdorries

Dave,

I am, like many others, a big fan of the dark green eco plastic. recently you ran a batch of wraiths in the dark green and I got a hold of a couple of those and they are SO SWEET (i dont even think calling them wraiths is fair, but they are... and so stable).

i also got one of the destroyers that were done in a little lighter green plastic, also very good, really fast.

my question is... will we ever see some other molds in the dark green star eco plastic?

Personally, I would love to see firebirds and teebirds made with the dark stuff, is this a possibility? I know I'm not the only one who loves this plastic... there is a definite market for it.

Thanks

Yes we will be making Echo Star in many of our molds at one time or another. Green is only one of several colors of Echo Star.

[DSproAVIAR]

Dave, I second the request for Eco Teebirds and Firebirds. Please and thank you.

[davei]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Dave, I second the request for Eco Teebirds and Firebirds. Please and thank you.

Both of these are on the "to do" list.

[gokayaksteven]

are the new production run of r-pro bosses stiff or soft?

[DSproAVIAR]

Originally Posted by davei

Both of these are on the "to do" list.

Tremendous. Once they are produced, how can I get my hands on a couple of each? Will they be available for stamping, or do they just get shipped to distributors/TDs on a first come-first served basis?

[dangle]

Dave,

What are the differences, if any, of the Innova made Millenium Sirius OLF and the Discmania PD? They look and feel almost the same.

Thanks as always!

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

are the new production run of r-pro bosses stiff or soft?

They are not soft like the putters and mids, but they are softer than most drivers. Definitely not stiff.

[davei]

Originally Posted by DSproAVIAR

Tremendous. Once they are produced, how can I get my hands on a couple of each? Will they be available for stamping, or do they just get shipped to distributors/TDs on a first come-first served basis?

I'm not sure what the ultimate distribution will be at this point, but some of them will be available for custom hotstamping. I believe some will be available with a new Echo Star stamp, but don't hold me to that.

[davei]

Originally Posted by dangle

Dave,

What are the differences, if any, of the Innova made Millenium Sirius OLF and the Discmania PD? They look and feel almost the same.

Thanks as always!

The Discmania PD is more high speed stable and should feel and look different on the flight plate. It has more meat on the top toward the rim for a better side arm grip.

The Millennium OLF is better for straight shots, down wind distance, long hyzers, and forced turn overs. The Discmania PD is better into the wind, power shots, and side arms.

[JerryChesterson]

Dave,

The TL is a great disc. I've heard some people say the TL stands for T-Bird Long, thus it is a longer T-Bird. I've heard others say it stands for T-Bird Leopard meaning it is a hybrid between a T-Bird and a Leopard. Can you shed some light on exactly what the TL stands for?

Also I've just got my hands on the Star Whippet X ... it is MONEY!

[RhynoBoy]

Leopard Bottom!

[dgdave]

Its for "less stable/longer"

Its not a leopard bottom. The leo has a notch on the wing all the L molds are flat winged.

[davei]

Originally Posted by dgdave

Its for "less stable/longer"

Its not a leopard bottom. The leo has a notch on the wing all the L molds are flat winged.

This is correct.

[reallybadputter]

Dave-

What's the deal with the Stingray? I just got two 180 DX Stingrays in the mail. Both are the www version of the bottom.

One is the same as my older ones with a sharp bottom lip with a bit of flash. The other one has a small bead on it. (It also is marked SR on the bottom instead of ST)

What's the deal? (I haven't thrown it yet as, like my two stingrays, the animals are lining up in pairs here...)

[davei]

Originally Posted by reallybadputter

Dave-

What's the deal with the Stingray? I just got two 180 DX Stingrays in the mail. Both are the www version of the bottom.

One is the same as my older ones with a sharp bottom lip with a bit of flash. The other one has a small bead on it. (It also is marked SR on the bottom instead of ST)

What's the deal? (I haven't thrown it yet as, like my two stingrays, the animals are lining up in pairs here...)

The flash on the older part was taken care of with a replacement part that appears to have a tiny bead.

The ST and SR have both been used for Stingrays. We used SR when we were using ST for the Stinger we were making for Ching. I looked up what we were using now, and apparently it is back to ST. I didn't get the memo. Apparently, one or more of our molders didn't either. Thanks for pointing that out.

Recent testing of the DX Stingrays has proven them to be a bit more stable when new. They do break in over time to produce the nice slow turn that you expect with a Stingray.

[reallybadputter]

Cool... the bead is really small, so I can see how it won't last very long, and really it does make the disc look more finished without the flash if I were looking at them on a rack...

[ZAMson]

Dave -- today I was holding two Champ Sidewinders in my hand, and noticed one looked normal, and the other had a tall nose. Looked like it had an "X" spacer, like the TR-X or GT-X.

This was most interesting to me because I am of the belief that the Orion LS is a modified Sidewinder, basically a Sidewinder-X with a spacer in the nose to beef up the OLS.

So when I saw this different Sidewinder, it immediately looked to me like a Champion/Quantum Orion LS.

Can you shed any light on this? Was the Sidewinder ever modified like this? Is my observation of the mold similarities accurate?

Lots of people would love to have a QOLS, and it has never been given the go-ahead by Millennium. If there really are some Champ Sidewinder-X out there, it would be huge to many folks.

.... and here's a request for a Star Cheetah and Star Gazelle

Thanks Dave for your time

[Drew32]

Got this this morning from Mark Molner at Discgolfvalues.com

"Innova has just added some limited release candy fund raising program discs to the line up. Disc Golf Values will be helping to raise money for the 2009 Duos Duel in the Desert being held in Las Vegas. To lead the list the disc I have had the most requests for a Champion material glow in the dark Whippet X, also glow in the dark Champion material Cobras, glow in the dark Champion material Grooves, glow in the dark DX San Marino Rocs and a few other special Rubber Wood discs."

of course the Whippets are already sold out and and already popping up on ebay.

My question is where is the East Coast love Dave? What does one have to do to be able to get Innova to make a special run of out of production discs? Or more-over what is Mark doing to be able to get all of these special run discs for all of the West Coast tournaments?

[davei]

Originally Posted by hydromostatic

Dave -- today I was holding two Champ Sidewinders in my hand, and noticed one looked normal, and the other had a tall nose. Looked like it had an "X" spacer, like the TR-X or GT-X.

This was most interesting to me because I am of the belief that the Orion LS is a modified Sidewinder, basically a Sidewinder-X with a spacer in the nose to beef up the OLS.

So when I saw this different Sidewinder, it immediately looked to me like a Champion/Quantum Orion LS.

Can you shed any light on this? Was the Sidewinder ever modified like this? Is my observation of the mold similarities accurate?

Lots of people would love to have a QOLS, and it has never been given the go-ahead by Millennium. If there really are some Champ Sidewinder-X out there, it would be huge to many folks.

.... and here's a request for a Star Cheetah and Star Gazelle

Thanks Dave for your time

The Sidewinder was not modified like this. Your observations are sort of correct, but there are other models that are similar to the Sidewinder, including the Valkyrie, Roadrunner, Viking, OLF, OLS and to a further extent the Discmania CD and PD. All are different from each other but similar in some ways - such as the width of the nose.

The closest thing to a Q-OLS would be the Champion Viking.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Drew32

Got this this morning from Mark Molner at Discgolfvalues.com

"Innova has just added some limited release candy fund raising program discs to the line up. Disc Golf Values will be helping to raise money for the 2009 Duos Duel in the Desert being held in Las Vegas. To lead the list the disc I have had the most requests for a Champion material glow in the dark Whippet X, also glow in the dark Champion material Cobras, glow in the dark Champion material Grooves, glow in the dark DX San Marino Rocs and a few other special Rubber Wood discs."

of course the Whippets are already sold out and and already popping up on ebay.

My question is where is the East Coast love Dave? What does one have to do to be able to get Innova to make a special run of out of production discs? Or more-over what is Mark doing to be able to get all of these special run discs for all of the West Coast tournaments?

The Glow Champion Cobra, Glow Champion Groove and Glow Champion Whippet X are all available in the CFR program. I believe the DX Glow San Marino is available for custom stamping. East Coast should already have all these models in stock except the Champion Whippet-X.

The Champion Whippet-X was just produced this week at the West Coast location. Mark/discgolfvalues was gracious enough to put these on his site for Duos in the Desert. Mark does not "get" these discs. The events get the discs and ask Mark to sell their discs on his website for them. The events profit from these CFR sales, not Discgolfvalues.

East Coast NT's and larger events also get access to special models. This year, Vibram Open got a special run of Pro Bosses.

[gokayaksteven]

Mark is also "gracious" enough to make us buy r-pro xcals (even if we don't want them) in order to get a r-pro boss 168-9, and 2 of the xcals if we want one r-pro boss in 170. I realize this is not your deal Dave, but it just seems like a lame way to force sales of the r-pro xcal.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Mark is also "gracious" enough to make us buy r-pro xcals (even if we don't want them) in order to get a r-pro boss 168-9, and 2 of the xcals if we want one r-pro boss in 170. I realize this is not your deal Dave, but it just seems like a lame way to force sales of the r-pro xcal.

I will ask Mark about this marketing. We (Innova) are not marketing the R-Pro XCals or any R-Pro Bosses above 164g as we don't think they are durable enough. We feel that people would be better off with the Star, Champion, or Pro in heavier weights. The R-Pro doesn't hold up well to impact, especially in the higher weights. You don't get the spectacular flights in the higher weights either.