Ask Chuck Kennedy - Page 54

keithjohnson · May 12 2009, 11:06 PM

The FAQ may be new, but the explanations have been on the board LONG before the switch, which is what I'm talking about. The FAQ just gives people like you NO excuse going forward, no matter how lazy you may be.

Anyways, I invite you to tune in 3 months from now and watch the next guy ask.

thanks for your time and attention to detail, at least you can read and respond, which is better than most.

readysetstab · May 13 2009, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keithjohnson

no matter how lazy you may be.

you just dont get it. i could explain it a thousand times. i am a busy person. i only have about 2 minutes to respond to you right now. laziness is playing on the computer all day. if you have a job, like chuck here, that's a different story. you haven't even added anything constructive to the conversation yet. just a bunch of "look at these dumb, lazy people." very insightful. we get it... you're smarter than everyone else.

this is the last time i waste 2 minutes on you.

keithjohnson · May 14 2009, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by readysetstab

you just dont get it. i could explain it a thousand times. i am a busy person. i only have about 2 minutes to respond to you right now. laziness is playing on the computer all day. if you have a job, like chuck here, that's a different story. you haven't even added anything constructive to the conversation yet. just a bunch of "look at these dumb, lazy people." very insightful. we get it... you're smarter than everyone else.

this is the last time i waste 2 minutes on you.

Posting once at midnite is playing on a computer all day...you are brilliant!

It now takes less than 30 minutes to read all the new posts that happen between midnite to midnite these days, where 10 years ago it would take you 30 minutes to read ONE Nick Kight post.

I'm not saying I'm smarter than anyone else, I just have been involved in the PDGA and reading the message board for 14 years - and since ratings started, that covers alot of ratings updates.

It is nice that you can see my one post responses to you everyday at midnite that try to inject some humor into the super serious ratings thread are really meant to aggravate only you, and your translation of my thoughts into "dumb, lazy people" is even better.

Keep up the good work, as it at least gives me something to look forward to tomorrow at midnite.

I hope your life gets easier so you can maybe find 3 minutes to respond instead, and can come up with something better than wrongly translating my thoughts. I have confidence in you!

Keith

krupicka · May 14 2009, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keithjohnson

It now takes less than 30 minutes to read all the new posts that happen between midnite to midnite these days, where 10 years ago it would take you 30 minutes to read ONE Nick Kight post.

A single Nick Kight post could generate more postings that this site gets in a week.

exczar · May 15 2009, 12:45 PM

What did you east coasters do to him, anyway?

drmontei · May 18 2009, 07:47 AM

chuck,
any chance the ratings get updated early this time?

cgkdisc · May 18 2009, 08:44 AM

Could be this morning unless Dave gets sidetracked.

bruce_brakel · May 18 2009, 09:11 AM

I'm just sitting here hitting the refresh button and not getting any work done...

NOHalfFastPull · May 18 2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce_brakel

I'm just sitting here hitting the refresh button and not getting any work done...

So what else is new?

s timm

update update update

md21954 · May 18 2009, 09:32 AM

how about an e-mail to the membership to alert when the update happens?

bruce_brakel · May 18 2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by md21954

how about an e-mail to the membership to alert when the update happens?

You could get a twitter thing going for those who are into that.

cgkdisc · May 18 2009, 09:48 AM

Me saying it's ready on here just isn't sufficient or fast enough?

krupicka · May 18 2009, 09:55 AM

No, because mine's updated already. :-)

cgkdisc · May 18 2009, 10:11 AM

(I already knew they were up when I made the last post

)

haleigh · May 18 2009, 12:12 PM

Chuck I still have a round rating that is 100 pts below my average rating, was it supposed to drop off?

cgkdisc · May 18 2009, 01:10 PM

The 100 pt calculation to see which rounds might drop is done before the double weighting occurs. So there are a few people with rounds that might be a few more than 100 pts below their weighted final rating if they have been improving recently and get a boost from the double weighting effect.

JerryChesterson · May 18 2009, 02:56 PM

How can rounds get rated when tee times are used. Isn't the intent behidn ratings that all propogaters are playing the same course under the same conditions (not the same holes under the same conditions but the same course)? I played this weekend at a tourney that used tee times. The pros tee first and played the entire round under no wind or rain. The advanced played half in a torrential down pour (and i mena torrential) with 20 - 30 MPH winds. The int and rec divisions played the entire round in those conditions. During the round the course chagned dramatically with a creek that normally runds dry turning into a whitewater caliber river 10 feet deep in some places. How can that "one" round be rated the same?

cgkdisc · May 18 2009, 03:08 PM

The rounds aren't necessarily rated the same. We now check what the ratings are by division if there are enough propagators to see how close they are. If the SSAs are within 1.5 shots, we combine the numbers so everyone gets the same rating for the same score. If the spread is bigger than 1.5, we assume the wind and conditions differed enough that we rate the groups separately.

bruce_brakel · May 18 2009, 03:23 PM

I think everyone would do well to remember two things: (1) mostly what ratings are used for is to move lower rated amateurs along in the skill based divisions to reduce any bagging that might be going on. If you aren't a lower rated amateur who wants to bag, it does not matter if ratings are a rough measure. They beat having nothing. (2) One less accurately rated round is not going to have much effect on your average if you play as few as five tournaments. Suppose the wind came up and the course played 2 throws harder for the people with late tee times. The people with early tee times might get an extra 20 rating points for that round than they deserved. Average that in with nine other rounds and it will swing their rating by two points. And here is a bonus third thing: (3) If you regularly play tournaments with consecutive starts, those kinds of effects are going to average out. Unless you have truly ****** off God, in which case you have bigger worries than your rating.

JerryChesterson · May 18 2009, 04:01 PM

Chuck - Thanks ... that makes sense and is good to know. In the case of COTO I think you'll a huge difference in pro ratings compared to Ams.

Smitty2004 · May 19 2009, 09:12 AM

Chuck-

The round ratings for the Emporia Kansas Glass Blown Open seem to be off. When they went from Unofficial to Official they jumped all over the board.

It also seems now that ratings for different courses are the same. Different divisions played different courses at different times.

Don't really know what is going on.

Thanks-
Smitty

cgkdisc · May 19 2009, 09:25 AM

I don't either. Roger and Dave weren't happy with the numbers and they're checking into those to make adjustments in the corrections update within a month.

Smitty2004 · May 19 2009, 09:42 AM

Thanks Chuck, I guess??

Looks to me, like the courses played is messed up. The way it is listed now scores have the same rating no matter which course was played. I know that the third round dropped 44 points for one of the Masters players (Iqbal). He is the person that brought this to all our attentions here in Kansas.

ejr · May 19 2009, 06:09 PM

Any reason my rating has not been updated? I did not have any new rated rounds this period, but I am current.

cgkdisc · May 19 2009, 06:40 PM

It was updated. But the date on your rating and your rating itself only change if you have new rounds.

ejr · May 19 2009, 07:06 PM

even if rounds used are dropped due to the 12 month usage?

cgkdisc · May 19 2009, 07:18 PM

Please read the Ratings FAQ: http://www.pdga.com/faq#278n761

Everyone's 12 months is based on the date of their most recently rated round. No new rounds, your 12-month period remaions the same. It doesn't change because time moves on. Players who stopped playing tournaments in 2002 still have the same rating.

keithjohnson · May 20 2009, 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Please read the Ratings FAQ: http://www.pdga.com/faq#278n761

Keep that link on a quick template, because you'll probably need it again soon.

No other words necessary, just answer with quick templates, and by 2073 you'll have covered every question known and every player still in the PDGA will not have to ask anymore

Now it's time for "readytostabme" to come in a say I'm a meanie, because I have a sense of humor and he's too busy to have any fun.

JHBlader86 · May 20 2009, 12:52 AM

Chuck, where on the site can you find where you are ranked based on rating in your state? I could find points but not rating. Thanks!

cgkdisc · May 20 2009, 08:11 AM

http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-search

May 12 2009, 11:06 PM	#1591
keithjohnson PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: east coast Posts: 2,592	The FAQ may be new, but the explanations have been on the board LONG before the switch, which is what I'm talking about. The FAQ just gives people like you NO excuse going forward, no matter how lazy you may be. Anyways, I invite you to tune in 3 months from now and watch the next guy ask. thanks for your time and attention to detail, at least you can read and respond, which is better than most. __________________ VERY sad to see you go mom / 11/28/42---6/6/2006 14 months after saying...so long my brother 8-29-1983....3-24-2005 and now Nancy - gone on 3/9/12 you all will be missed !!

May 15 2009, 12:45 PM	#1595
exczar PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,630	What did you east coasters do to him, anyway? __________________ Bill Burns, DGRZ001 ----------------------------------------------- I used to be really good; then the beveled-edged disc came out and everyone could now throw far.

May 18 2009, 07:47 AM	#1596
drmontei PDGA Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Disc Golf Paradise Posts: 239	ratings chuck, any chance the ratings get updated early this time?

May 18 2009, 08:44 AM	#1597
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	Could be this morning unless Dave gets sidetracked. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 18 2009, 09:11 AM	#1598
bruce_brakel PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dying More Discs Posts: 5,573	I'm just sitting here hitting the refresh button and not getting any work done... __________________ In it for the crown.

May 18 2009, 09:32 AM	#1600
md21954 Community Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: the land of pleasant living Posts: 1,987	how about an e-mail to the membership to alert when the update happens?

May 18 2009, 09:48 AM	#1602
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	Me saying it's ready on here just isn't sufficient or fast enough? __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 18 2009, 09:55 AM	#1603
krupicka PDGA Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Naperville, IL Posts: 1,425	No, because mine's updated already. :-) __________________ PDGA #28238

May 18 2009, 10:11 AM	#1604
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	(I already knew they were up when I made the last post ) __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 18 2009, 12:12 PM	#1605
haleigh Community Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Plano Texas Posts: 476	Chuck I still have a round rating that is 100 pts below my average rating, was it supposed to drop off?

May 18 2009, 01:10 PM	#1606
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	The 100 pt calculation to see which rounds might drop is done before the double weighting occurs. So there are a few people with rounds that might be a few more than 100 pts below their weighted final rating if they have been improving recently and get a boost from the double weighting effect. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 18 2009, 02:56 PM	#1607
JerryChesterson PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shakedown Street Posts: 3,711	Ratings for Tee Times How can rounds get rated when tee times are used. Isn't the intent behidn ratings that all propogaters are playing the same course under the same conditions (not the same holes under the same conditions but the same course)? I played this weekend at a tourney that used tee times. The pros tee first and played the entire round under no wind or rain. The advanced played half in a torrential down pour (and i mena torrential) with 20 - 30 MPH winds. The int and rec divisions played the entire round in those conditions. During the round the course chagned dramatically with a creek that normally runds dry turning into a whitewater caliber river 10 feet deep in some places. How can that "one" round be rated the same?

May 18 2009, 03:08 PM	#1608
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	The rounds aren't necessarily rated the same. We now check what the ratings are by division if there are enough propagators to see how close they are. If the SSAs are within 1.5 shots, we combine the numbers so everyone gets the same rating for the same score. If the spread is bigger than 1.5, we assume the wind and conditions differed enough that we rate the groups separately. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 18 2009, 03:23 PM	#1609
bruce_brakel PDGA Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dying More Discs Posts: 5,573	I think everyone would do well to remember two things: (1) mostly what ratings are used for is to move lower rated amateurs along in the skill based divisions to reduce any bagging that might be going on. If you aren't a lower rated amateur who wants to bag, it does not matter if ratings are a rough measure. They beat having nothing. (2) One less accurately rated round is not going to have much effect on your average if you play as few as five tournaments. Suppose the wind came up and the course played 2 throws harder for the people with late tee times. The people with early tee times might get an extra 20 rating points for that round than they deserved. Average that in with nine other rounds and it will swing their rating by two points. And here is a bonus third thing: (3) If you regularly play tournaments with consecutive starts, those kinds of effects are going to average out. Unless you have truly ****** off God, in which case you have bigger worries than your rating. __________________ In it for the crown.

May 18 2009, 04:01 PM	#1610
JerryChesterson PDGA Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Shakedown Street Posts: 3,711	Chuck - Thanks ... that makes sense and is good to know. In the case of COTO I think you'll a huge difference in pro ratings compared to Ams. Last edited by JerryChesterson; May 18 2009 at 04:21 PM.

May 19 2009, 09:12 AM	#1611
Smitty2004 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Winfield Ks Posts: 508	Chuck- The round ratings for the Emporia Kansas Glass Blown Open seem to be off. When they went from Unofficial to Official they jumped all over the board. It also seems now that ratings for different courses are the same. Different divisions played different courses at different times. Don't really know what is going on. Thanks- Smitty

May 19 2009, 09:25 AM	#1612
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	I don't either. Roger and Dave weren't happy with the numbers and they're checking into those to make adjustments in the corrections update within a month. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 19 2009, 09:42 AM	#1613
Smitty2004 PDGA Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Winfield Ks Posts: 508	Thanks Chuck, I guess?? Looks to me, like the courses played is messed up. The way it is listed now scores have the same rating no matter which course was played. I know that the third round dropped 44 points for one of the Masters players (Iqbal). He is the person that brought this to all our attentions here in Kansas.

May 19 2009, 06:09 PM	#1614
ejr Community Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 70	Any reason my rating has not been updated? I did not have any new rated rounds this period, but I am current.

May 19 2009, 06:40 PM	#1615
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	It was updated. But the date on your rating and your rating itself only change if you have new rounds. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 19 2009, 07:06 PM	#1616
ejr Community Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 70	even if rounds used are dropped due to the 12 month usage?

May 19 2009, 07:18 PM	#1617
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	Please read the Ratings FAQ: http://www.pdga.com/faq#278n761 Everyone's 12 months is based on the date of their most recently rated round. No new rounds, your 12-month period remaions the same. It doesn't change because time moves on. Players who stopped playing tournaments in 2002 still have the same rating. __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

May 20 2009, 12:52 AM	#1619
JHBlader86 PDGA Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Bowling Green, KY USA Posts: 1,405	Chuck, where on the site can you find where you are ranked based on rating in your state? I could find points but not rating. Thanks!

May 20 2009, 08:11 AM	#1620
cgkdisc PDGA Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota Posts: 6,235	http://www.pdga.com/player-ratings-search __________________ Rater of the tossed arc.

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