Ask Chuck Kennedy

[unclemercy]

seeing as i misplayed that hole both rounds, i imagine my ratings are pretty accurate as is. thanks again, joe.

[sunrisensunrise]

I couldn't seem to find an answer to this, so I am sorry if it has been answered before. For tournaments to be dropped from the ratings, what is the cut off date? Is it the date of the actual Rating update? Or the submission deadline date? Thanks.

[readysetstab]

i think they have to be submitted by may 5th.

[krupicka]

So if you don't think the TD has submitted his report and cash, this is the weekend to follow up to make sure it will make the next update.

[nyemm01]

Chuck,
Are the ratings for the Lemon Lake spring open correct? it doesnt look that way? will those be changed anytime soon?
thanks!

[cgkdisc]

Contact the TD for corrections when ratings are still unofficial. I don't know who played what courses.

[nyemm01]

Well, i know for a fact that the intermediates and pros and other divisions didnt play the same courses, but their ratings are all the same across the board. A '51' in the first round in pros is rated the same a '51' for intermediate. its the same second round and the same for all scores.

[spudpicker]

Hey Chuck,
where would i find the posted minutes form the PDGA summit meeting?

[bruce_brakel]

Originally Posted by spudpicker

Hey Chuck,
where would i find the posted minutes form the PDGA summit meeting?

They won't post minutes until sometime after they become official. When there is a need to formalize minutes quickly, they approve the minutes by e-mail a little while after the meeting. Otherwise, the minutes don't get approved until the next meeting. The minutes are posted on this website. Start by hovering over PDGA HQ and then click on Organizational Documents.

[bruce_brakel]

Now Chuck can copy and paste:

"What Bruce said."

[cgkdisc]

It didn't happen this time but there was general agreement that the proceedings next Summit might be posted like a blog while it's happening.

[stack]

summitt twitter!

[readysetstab]

it looks like The -Sioux Passage Open- was not included in the current ratings update. it hasn't yet shown up in my player profile and I can still view the ratings (unlike most tournaments that are used for ratings updates). is there a reason for this? my rating will be hurt without this tournament included.

[cgkdisc]

All events received by the deadline (May 5) got processed. Contact the TD to ask why the delay in reporting. Fortunately, your actual playing skill should remain the same even if your rating didn't get a boost from an event that didn't get rated...

[readysetstab]

it was reported at the same time as the jefferson barracks open, which was included. otherwise i wouldn't have asked.

like most people with ambition, i have goals, chuck. one of those goals is to continually bring up my rating. why don't you just stop doing ratings if you believe that they mean so little? and by all means, continue to respond with sarcasm when someone asks a simple question. we all love it.

i'm sorry that you're stressed out. i wasn't trying to add to your problems. i thought maybe the tournament was looked over by mistake and that no one else had mentioned it yet. next time i'll just shut my mouth.

[bruce_brakel]

Originally Posted by readysetstab

it was reported at the same time as the jefferson barracks open, which was included. otherwise i wouldn't have asked.

like most people with ambition, i have goals, chuck. one of those goals is to continually bring up my rating. why don't you just stop doing ratings if you believe that they mean so little? and by all means, continue to respond with sarcasm when someone asks a simple question. we all love it.

i'm sorry that you're stressed out. i wasn't trying to add to your problems. i thought maybe the tournament was looked over by mistake and that no one else had mentioned it yet. next time i'll just shut my mouth.

Sounds like Chuck was just having a little fun, and someone else is a little stressed out.

[cgkdisc]

If you track your ratings this closely then you realize by now that we've been processing every report we get on time over the past several years and sometimes more. If we don't have it, then the TD is the one to contact, not me nor the PDGA. Not sarcasm, just tweaking some serious ratings watchers. If you were a newbie, I would have "softer balled" my answer.

If you want to track your rating progress more closely, I recommend copying and pasting your round ratings from each update into a master spreadsheet organized by date and updating that file by inserting the results that don't come in until a later update so you can really track your trends including graphing without double weighting. I know several players doing this due to the problems witrh some late reports getting their rounds out of sequence.

[readysetstab]

Originally Posted by bruce_brakel

Sounds like Chuck was just having a little fun, and someone else is a little stressed out.

noted. thanks for chiming in. (<--- i'm taking "fun" lessons from chuck.)

[readysetstab]

chuck, i still haven't heard from you that the issue has been looked into. thats all i want you to say. so far, it sounds like you're just assuming that no one on your end screwed up. if you say "okay, i looked into it and we definitely did not receive anything regarding that tournament," then i forget this whole thing and move on. somehow, i don't think that will happen (at least, not if you actually look into it. i guess you could just lie).

the issue i have is this, chuck. the tournament has been viewable and the ratings have been up for about a month and a half. if the ratings are there, why can't you just copy and paste? is that not what you do for every other tournament? i don't see how that's the TD's problem. THE TOURNAMENT HAS HAD RATINGS POSTED FOR WELL OVER A MONTH. MAY 5TH WAS NOT OVER A MONTH AGO. THANK YOU.

YES, NOW I'M GETTING STRESSED.

[cgkdisc]

There is no connection between the unofficial online stats posted by the TD and the official TD report sent to PDGA HQ. We don't even look at the stuff posted by the TDs because it's unofficial and many times incomplete info for doing official ratings. Plus there are things like PDGA memberships and financial info that need to be processed in the official report. I can confirm that Roger and I are processing every report we've received from PDGA HQ that was received by the May 5th deadline.

The fact a TD has uploaded unofficial results means they probably have the Scores page of the TD report completed. But there are several other things the TD needs to fill out to complete the report and pay the fees they've collected before the results get processed for official ratings.

[bbwrenn]

Chuck, this doesn't have anything to do with you officially, but I got a good laugh out of it and since you're the ratings guru I figured why not post it here.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...ratings=1#Open

Anything look a little fishy? That is one mean rec division, and apparently the leader in intermediate just shot one of the greatest rounds of all time!!

[cgkdisc]

I don't know. We DO have an excellent development program here in MN-WI area... ;-)

[readysetstab]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

There is no connection between the unofficial online stats posted by the TD and the official TD report sent to PDGA HQ. We don't even look at the stuff posted by the TDs because it's unofficial and many times incomplete info for doing official ratings. Plus there are things like PDGA memberships and financial info that need to be processed in the official report. I can confirm that Roger and I are processing every report we've received from PDGA HQ that was received by the May 5th deadline.

The fact a TD has uploaded unofficial results means they probably have the Scores page of the TD report completed. But there are several other things the TD needs to fill out to complete the report and pay the fees they've collected before the results get processed for official ratings.

Thank you! a little explanation saves everyone a lot of trouble. this is what i was looking for.

[keithjohnson]

You can tell it's update time, when for the one million, one hundred seventy eight thousand, six hundred thirty ninth time somebody who's been a member for years asks the same question.

[bruce_brakel]

So at this tournament:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-resul...ratings=1#Open

only the intermediates and recreationals played short tees in the first round, and the 19 of them only had two or three gators among them. So they are not showing any unofficial ratings for those players. In the afternoon all amateurs played short tees so the intermediates and recs got rated off the advanced division.

The pros played long tees both rounds and you can see from their scores that the afternoon breezes accounted for no more than a one-throw difference from their morning rounds. So the weather was not much of a factor, and the pros show how much of a factor it was.

Knowing all that, do you think you'll be able to generate official ratings for the first round for the lower amateurs? Kelsey played 950ish golf in the morning and she was really hoping it would count toward her rating.

[cgkdisc]

All scores on the same layout regardless of round will get the same ratings when the official ones are done unless the TD says otherwise due to large wind differences (none have ever done so yet). We now look at breakouts of SSAs by round when there are enough props in each round to see if the SSA varies by more than 1.5. Then we consider rating the rounds separately on the assumption that wind really produced different SSAs.

[readysetstab]

Originally Posted by keithjohnson

You can tell it's update time, when for the one million, one hundred seventy eight thousand, six hundred thirty ninth time somebody who's been a member for years asks the same question.

i can think of approximately a billion things i'd rather do than search for old questions and pay attention to every word written here. but you keep at it, man.

[cgkdisc]

Fortunately, you don't have to search but can now read the FAQs, and if necessary, some of the ratings documents. For example, on your issue:

http://www.pdga.com/faq/ratings/unof...gs-and-results

[keithjohnson]

Originally Posted by readysetstab

i can think of approximately a billion things i'd rather do than search for old questions and pay attention to every word written here. but you keep at it, man.

As Chuck has pointed out all those people asking questions for the most part did NOT have to ask anything if they spent 30 seconds looking at the documents that were written to AVOID someone having to read every word in every thread or to ask the same questions every 3 months.

That's why it's so fun to come on this thread around ratings time, because it's just like Old Faithful.

I don't need to keep at it, because it ALWAYS happens, and I can just look every 3 months and it would be EXACTLY the same.

Thanks for your time to reply though, I'll see someone else like you in 3 months and I can add another number to the above quoted one. Check back in yourself to see what I mean.

[readysetstab]

Originally Posted by cgkdisc

Fortunately, you don't have to search but can now read the FAQs, rl]

notice the highlighted portion. it hasn't always been that way, according to chuck. so much for being the guy who pays attention to everything.