Ask Dave Dunipace About Innova Discs

[davei]

Originally Posted by J_VanOver

When will the Innova Type XT bag that was given to players at the 2008 Japan Open in the players pack be released for sale to the public? I've only used mine a couple of times but I'm getting ready to take mine to a tournament this weekend and that made me think about it again.

At this point, it was special to that event and Japan. If it is available in the USA, it would be through herodiscusa.com at this point.

[Merkaba311]

Originally Posted by chaos143

I hit a tree eighty feet off the tee and it folded like I have never seen a disc fold. I won't be throwing it any more.

Exactly why I couldn't believe RW is real. Makes sense for putters but as tee shot plastic it seems like a bad idea.

[dobbins66]

I agree on the Whippet-X and also the Champ Viper when it comes to wind play. I have another question concerning the Whippet-X, I was at a tourney this past weekend and a vendor had a Champ Whippet-X. It wasn't one of the old one's with the circle stamp, It had a new 2008 Stamp. Have there been a few champ Whippet-X's run recently or is this an accident? I bought the disc - No way I could leave it there and compared it to my other champion discs and my Star Whippets. It's definitely a Whippet-X and is translucent like the champ plastic and feels like the champ plastic. I also compared it to my other Champ Whippets and its the same mold but it is not the old school champ/CE plastic. Just curious. Now if I could just find a Star Banshee!

[davei]

Originally Posted by dobbins66

I agree on the Whippet-X and also the Champ Viper when it comes to wind play. I have another question concerning the Whippet-X, I was at a tourney this past weekend and a vendor had a Champ Whippet-X. It wasn't one of the old one's with the circle stamp, It had a new 2008 Stamp. Have there been a few champ Whippet-X's run recently or is this an accident? I bought the disc - No way I could leave it there and compared it to my other champion discs and my Star Whippets. It's definitely a Whippet-X and is translucent like the champ plastic and feels like the champ plastic. I also compared it to my other Champ Whippets and its the same mold but it is not the old school champ/CE plastic. Just curious. Now if I could just find a Star Banshee!

It wasn't a new run. Must has been from a run that didn't get stamped.

[gokayaksteven]

Hi Dave-
What is to be the future of the r-pro boss? will it be a regular model, and if so, what will be the weight range? When these are new, they fly like no other. I put the 150's head-to-head against my dx destroyers, the disc i use in an open setting when i need max D, and the bosses consistently flew further for me. They do get beat up very easily and turn understable quickly, but I just use them for open shots, and they are lasting about as long as my dx destroyers. one good hit and they are done, but I can deal with that and stock up, and the grip and D is worth it for some shots.
Thanks

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

Hi Dave-
What is to be the future of the r-pro boss? will it be a regular model, and if so, what will be the weight range? When these are new, they fly like no other. I put the 150's head-to-head against my dx destroyers, the disc i use in an open setting when i need max D, and the bosses consistently flew further for me. They do get beat up very easily and turn understable quickly, but I just use them for open shots, and they are lasting about as long as my dx destroyers. one good hit and they are done, but I can deal with that and stock up, and the grip and D is worth it for some shots.
Thanks

Hi Steven,

We are going to start a main run of R-Pro Bosses next week. We are shooting for 150 class to mid sixties. You bring up some good points about these R-Pro drivers. I am not sure if we are going to make any other drivers in R-Pro as they don't do well on high speed tree contact. That being said, I did a real good taco job on an R-Boss, but was able to reform the rim easily. And, although the flight plate still looked bad, the disc was as stable as new and is still flying fine. So, I wouldn't be so quick to think the disc you smashed is done yet. You might be able to bend it back in shape. Short sharp tweeks work best to reform the rim. You can actually overdo it by bending the nose up too far and produce an overstable driver.

[Furthur]

Originally Posted by davei

Hi Steven,

We are going to start a main run of R-Pro Bosses next week. We are shooting for 150 class to mid sixties. You bring up some good points about these R-Pro drivers. I am not sure if we are going to make any other drivers in R-Pro as they don't do well on high speed tree contact. That being said, I did a real good taco job on an R-Boss, but was able to reform the rim easily. And, although the flight plate still looked bad, the disc was as stable as new and is still flying fine. So, I wouldn't be so quick to think the disc you smashed is done yet. You might be able to bend it back in shape. Short sharp tweeks work best to reform the rim. You can actually overdo it by bending the nose up too far and produce an overstable driver.

Dave, do you think that's the plastic, or the disc? For example, if you ran a R-Pro Wraith, would they have a similar break in lifespan of a normal Pro Wraith?

[gippy]

Any plans for the R-pro XD or better yet the RW-Pro XD????

[ChrisEads]

Dave please tell me you are going to make R-pro fairway drivers specfically leopards and teebirds. I would love to see how something with that much glide would fly with that much grip.

[davei]

Originally Posted by Furthur

Dave, do you think that's the plastic, or the disc? For example, if you ran a R-Pro Wraith, would they have a similar break in lifespan of a normal Pro Wraith?

The R-Wraith would be similar to an R-Boss, rather than a driver Pro.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gippy

Any plans for the R-pro XD or better yet the RW-Pro XD????

Yes, we will do the R-Pro XD when we can get to it. No plans for the Rw version.

[davei]

Originally Posted by ChrisEads

Dave please tell me you are going to make R-pro fairway drivers specfically leopards and teebirds. I would love to see how something with that much glide would fly with that much grip.

Most likely, at this point, R-Pro will be reserved for lighter weight drivers. The grip is terrific, but the impact resistance is not, especially for the heavier versions. If we can find a more impact resistant formula for the heavier drivers, we will make them. Right now, the main point of the R-Pro Boss is to empower weaker throwers to throw longer. For more powerful throwers, they will mainly be for fun, and distance records.

[davei]

Originally Posted by ChrisEads

Dave please tell me you are going to make R-pro fairway drivers specfically leopards and teebirds. I would love to see how something with that much glide would fly with that much grip.

I should have said previously, that we will be making R-Pro in 150 Class for most of our drivers including Leopards and TeeBirds.

[sjmallinson]

Hi Dave,

Play it Again sports is offering Laser Printing on discs and I was wanting to know which plastic would work and keep the print? I assume Star plastic would work, but was unsure about Pro and DX. Any idea? Thanks.

[davei]

Originally Posted by sjmallinson

Hi Dave,

Play it Again sports is offering Laser Printing on discs and I was wanting to know which plastic would work and keep the print? I assume Star plastic would work, but was unsure about Pro and DX. Any idea? Thanks.

I really don't know the answer as it is dependent on the ink they are using. Star, Champion, and Pro have worked in the past. DX gets fuzzy.

[AviarX]

Hi Dave,

I am amazed on how far a Star Destroyer will go on a hyzer line... I used to work on countering my hyzer tendencies to get good D with stable drivers, but the Destroyer seems to go and go when I power hyzer it. Is that a characteristic of the Destroyer in particular, or do some of other super fast drivers also have that capability?

Also, sorry if I missed it, but do you have an ETA for JK Aviar-x in the new Rubber Pro material?

[davei]

Originally Posted by AviarX

Hi Dave,

I am amazed on how far a Star Destroyer will go on a hyzer line... I used to work on countering my hyzer tendencies to get good D with stable drivers, but the Destroyer seems to go and go when I power hyzer it. Is that a characteristic of the Destroyer in particular, or do some of other super fast drivers also have that capability?

Also, sorry if I missed it, but do you have an ETA for JK Aviar-x in the new Rubber Pro material?

Hi Rob,

I don't know if it is particular to the Destroyer or not. I have found the same thing in my game. It might be that the Star Bosses I am playing with will eventually beat in to produce a similar result. The Star Destroyers I have that do what you are describing are well worn. The only other disc I have that produces a similar flight is my Groove. The Groove is better for the straight sidearm and the Destroyer is better for the straight backhand.

Sorry, no eta for the next JK run.

[mf100forever]

Someone woke up an old Ask Dave thread, so lets try to use this one instead. Dave, two questions:
I saw some R Pro Wood Birdies on ebay, did it work out ok?
Did you ever try the Jaguar in any other material than DX?

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

Someone woke up an old Ask Dave thread, so lets try to use this one instead. Dave, two questions:
I saw some R Pro Wood Birdies on ebay, did it work out ok?
Did you ever try the Jaguar in any other material than DX?

Hi Kjell,

We made a few R-Pro Birdies, but I don't recall making any R-Wood Birdies. They were very soft and rubbery, much like the ones we made for DGA 15 yrs ago.

I don't recall trying the Jaguar in any other material other than DX, and I don't believe Champion or regular Star would be light enough. R-Pro would be feasible, but we don't have any plans at this point.

Really, the point of the Jaguar, was to empower weaker throwers. We now have a new product coming out that will do a better job, I believe. R-Pro Bosses in weights from 164 gms down to 130 gms. The lightest also float in water. With these discs, I don't see the point in a Jaguar, which would be heavier, harder to throw, and not go as far.

[citysmasher]

Hi Dave. In regards to the new Star Boss. In the lighter weights, the wing shrunk on the bottom creating an undercambered wing. This anomaly produced maybe the fastest and most consistent (read that not squirrelly) driver on the planet. My guess is that these 160ish gram Star drivers, with the plastic shrunk the most in the wing, are some of the most beloved discs of the best players across the country.

This Boss is like the fastest, longest, Teerex-X ever made. Better than a Max for really windy days.

Mate a flat winged Boss (like a heavier Star Boss) to a an undercamered wing Boss and you have the deadliest one/two punch in the game.

My question. Can you make more discs like this?

[pdiddy71]

Dave, i saw on ebay a beadless pro rhyno, any feed back on how they flew?
thanks, Patrick

[davei]

Originally Posted by citysmasher

Hi Dave. In regards to the new Star Boss. In the lighter weights, the wing shrunk on the bottom creating an undercambered wing. This anomaly produced maybe the fastest and most consistent (read that not squirrelly) driver on the planet. My guess is that these 160ish gram Star drivers, with the plastic shrunk the most in the wing, are some of the most beloved discs of the best players across the country.

This Boss is like the fastest, longest, Teerex-X ever made. Better than a Max for really windy days.

Mate a flat winged Boss (like a heavier Star Boss) to a an undercamered wing Boss and you have the deadliest one/two punch in the game.

My question. Can you make more discs like this?

Most of the 160ish Star Bosses are very stable to overstable. Some are very over stable. The exact flight characteristic seems to depend on the particular batch of plastic from the manufacturer. The heavier ones are more mellow flyers.

[davei]

Originally Posted by pdiddy71

Dave, i saw on ebay a beadless pro rhyno, any feed back on how they flew?
thanks, Patrick

They flew like a regular Pro Rhyno with less low speed over-stability.

[mf100forever]

Originally Posted by davei

Hi Kjell,

We made a few R-Pro Birdies, but I don't recall making any R-Wood Birdies. They were very soft and rubbery, much like the ones we made for DGA 15 yrs ago.

I don't recall trying the Jaguar in any other material other than DX, and I don't believe Champion or regular Star would be light enough. R-Pro would be feasible, but we don't have any plans at this point.

Really, the point of the Jaguar, was to empower weaker throwers. We now have a new product coming out that will do a better job, I believe. R-Pro Bosses in weights from 164 gms down to 130 gms. The lightest also float in water. With these discs, I don't see the point in a Jaguar, which would be heavier, harder to throw, and not go as far.

R-Wood birdies, sorry my mistake, thanx for the info.
R-Pro Bosses, are we talking cfr-discs here or will they be available in the regular line-up soon?

[Trey133]

Originally Posted by davei

Hi Steven,

We are going to start a main run of R-Pro Bosses next week. We are shooting for 150 class to mid sixties.

Should be a regular lineup, should be soon! Can't wait!

[gokayaksteven]

when should retailers be seeing the 165 r-pro bosses?

[citysmasher]

Originally Posted by davei

Most of the 160ish Star Bosses are very stable to overstable. Some are very over stable. The exact flight characteristic seems to depend on the particular batch of plastic from the manufacturer. The heavier ones are more mellow flyers.

That was my point. Could you you make a Boss like this on purpose?

In my opinion, these lighter disc Bosses are superior in their overstability to the typical Innova fat nosed L wing overstable drivers (Max Monster, etc).

Maybe it would be worth exploring this type of design? It would certainly be easier to make in light weights than the big nosed versions.

[davei]

Originally Posted by mf100forever

R-Wood birdies, sorry my mistake, thanx for the info.
R-Pro Bosses, are we talking cfr-discs here or will they be available in the regular line-up soon?

R-Pro Bosses will be available in the regular line-up in June.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

when should retailers be seeing the 165 r-pro bosses?

Retailers should have them by the second week in June.

[davei]

Originally Posted by gokayaksteven

when should retailers be seeing the 165 r-pro bosses?

We are only planning on running lighter weight R-Pro Bosses. The heavier they get, the more fragile they get, and the less carry the have. The most useful for the power disenfranchised players will be from the floater 130's to the 150 class. These are already available in limited amounts at herodiscusa and discgolfvalues should have more Masters R-Pro Bosses soon.