Ask Chuck Kennedy

[the_kid]

Chuck what are the top 10 ratings from 21 hole courses?

[cgkdisc]

We don't track them separately. All records are based on rounds with at least 18 holes or adjusted to an 18-hole equivalent. You can see Barry has a 21-hole round in the records and there are 24 and 27 hole rounds on the women's chart.

[jeputz]

any recommendations for the election of BOD? are there any candidates that are particularly pro-ratings?

[cgkdisc]

Don't really know one way or the other regarding the candidates' stances on ratings. I don't know of any who have come out opposed to them. My general perception is that most feel ratings are a good benefit. Those who have been BOD members before probably have more understanding how important they have been as a means to develop alliances with other countries and help build their membership. But that prior experience is just a piece of the puzzle whether a person might be a good BOD member.

Regarding ratings events, I'd say both Board and Staff over the years have been closer to neutral than pro. But I think it's fair to say that position is common regarding any initiative until proven to be popular. The PDGA, TDs and other movers and shakers throw ideas out there and try them out. Then the org reacts based on the perceived enthusiasm, support and popularity expressed by members.

I have a similar stance on voting for BOD members. I'm pretty neutral at this point regarding anyone who hasn't been a BOD member. Having beeen able to watch the BOD interactions more closely than most over the years, there are some you thought might be good that were disappointing. Then others really shined that you might not have expected and every shade in between. If I vote for those who are current or former members, then I've seen them to be a positive force. Since my ability to be effective working with the PDGA is partially tied to the BOD, it's best if I keep any endorsements or concerns to myself since we'll have to try and do the best job we can for members regardless who gets elected.

[the_kid]

We don't track them separately. All records are based on rounds with at least 18 holes or adjusted to an 18-hole equivalent. You can see Barry has a 21-hole round in the records and there are 24 and 27 hole rounds on the women's chart.

Yeah so there is only one out of that whole list? I am just wondering where my 1056 stuck up with the next highest rated player being 978.

[cgkdisc]

Yeah so there is only one out of that whole list?

Shouldn't be surprising. The more holes played, the tougher it is to have a really high rated round.

[the_kid]

Shouldn't be surprising. The more holes played, the tougher it is to have a really high rated round.

Exactly, that is why I am wondering what the highest rated 21 hole rounds were.

[bazkitcase5]

maybe this is a stupid question, but I will ask anyway

2.5 standard deviations - is this basically saying you take the standard deviation of your rounds and multiply it by 2.5?

also, when is it calculated? as in, if I've played 20 total rounds, now comes the new update where I have played 10 new rounds, but dropped 5 off - does the standard deviation now use all 25 of my rounds, then drops the ones that qualify? and if say one does get dropped, is the standard deviation then re calculated for 24 rounds or left alone based on what the original 25 were?

basically I guess what I'm asking is if the standard deviation determines that x round will be dropped, is that x round included in the calculation of said standard deviation? both before and after?

[cgkdisc]

We have just changed the process to exclude your worst rated round from the initial SD calculation on the rounds being considered for your next update. Either that worst one will make it or be cut based on that and it's possible but less likely another one will get cut unless you had more than one round more than 100 pts below the average of your other rounds. After the drop or no drop is done, then the double weighting is done.

[bschweberger]

Will the 2nd round from the Raleigh Disc golf Championships be counted towards ratings? SSA was 43.5

[cgkdisc]

Yes. We have even been counting the one or two from Horizons that drop below our defined minimum of 41.4 SSA. No rounds with SSAs below that would ever be considered for records. But as you've seen, someone would have to shoot a 35 to get in the 1090s with an SSA of 41.4.

[bazkitcase5]

so standard deviation is calculated only on the rounds going into the next update, and then subtracted from your current rating - then the rounds left over are put in, with the double weighting, and your new rating is then calculated based on that?

plus different scenarios like: if your a 1000 rated player with a 2.5 std dev of 60, then your recent bad round of 935 will be dropped in the next update, but you also have a round of 945 thats been in there for a while, so if you improve your rating to 1005, will that 945 then be dropped? which will bump your rating up that much more

not only do I like understanding the process, but I was also wondering because if a bad round that would be dropped is part of the standard deviation calculation, then your standard deviation will become smaller after that particular round is removed

[OSTERTIP]

Hey Chuck, looks like you need to update the Highest rated rounds ever after the Health Sports Raleigh Disc Golf Championship.

WOW!

[cgkdisc]

I was also wondering because if a bad round that would be dropped is part of the standard deviation calculation, then your standard deviation will become smaller after that particular round is removed

It used to be but we've changed that for the next update. We've decided to exclude your lowest rated round from the SD calc so it doesn't artificially increase the SD and retain rounds that really shouldn't be included. A few more rounds may be dropped but it will still hover around 1 out of 50 for all members (2%).

[cgkdisc]

Hey Chuck, looks like you need to update the Highest rated rounds ever after the Health Sports Raleigh Disc Golf Championship.

Maybe my posting the Best Rounds chart Saturday provided additional good karma for the guys who shot new records? There are a few other rounds with unofficial ratings that should join the list (Schick, Lundmark) when we update it in September. The Worlds courses have SSAs in the sweet spot where more top 10 rounds could be thrown. Roger and I have decided to update this Best Rounds list after every ratings update now.

[OSTERTIP]

Great idea, I was amazed to learn that a Florida boy WAS tied for the highest rated round ever!

[cgkdisc]

Climo is tops in the highest two SSA categories and Bubis is tied for top in the lowest SSA category. Skinner from NC has the highest rated round ever now followed by fellow NC'r Schweb. But comparing record ratings becomes apples to oranges the farther apart course SSAs are.

[tiltedhalo]

It looks like Avery may slide into the #2 spot on the second-highest SSA category with his second round at Vibram. Hot, hot golf.

[cgkdisc]

Both Avery and Schweb moved into second on Saturday in their respective SSA ranges.

[johnbiscoe]

skinner is NOT from NC

[hallp]

hey i have a question for you chuck!!!!

whats the record the most recorded 1000+ rated rounds in a row?

i saw ken's 50 in a row and david f's 44 in a row currently but what is the record or can you even find that number???

[xterramatt]

Hey Chuck...

3 1090 45.2 Brad Hammock Tupelo Bay Tourney R2 (2005 Tupelo Bay Open) 38 2 18
3 1090 45.2 David Feldberg Tupelo Bay Tourney R2 (2005 Tupelo Bay Open) 38 2 18

these rounds were on a 9 hole loop that was played twice. I do not see how these got such a high rating. All of the holes were wide open, with no trees near baskets, on a manicured golf course, and almost every hole required nothing more than a putter or mid range.

Seems these are abnormally high ratings for such a simple, unobstructed course. The only thing I can guess that would make the rounds high rated is that others did not capitalize on the birdies available. I played with Brad that round, and it was about the most unphenomenal "great" round I've ever witnessed. Could the ratings have been somehow mixed in with the executive course rounds?

Each green was somewhat near a golf green that was OB. I think that might account for the higher scores by others. Good round, just seems a lot of better rounds have been played than these.

[cgkdisc]

I just looked at the TD report and it says the 9-hole Tourney layout was used twice in that round. The scores look right since they are about double the same layout played once for 9 holes on Sunday. There were some pretty high scores on that double route by some good players so a 38 looks real hot in comparison even though it might not have looked exceptional watching it.
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournamen..._ratings=1#Open

[cgkdisc]

whats the record the most recorded 1000+ rated rounds in a row?

I don't have the data organized in a way to check something like that.

[bruce_brakel]

Do you have access to the data in such a way as to figure out the average number of rounds per year by a male member versus a female member?

[cgkdisc]

I don't have it but it's something I could ask Roger for.

[kkrasinski]

Should be pretty easy to come up with averages using the "events" column in the tour stats table.

[james_mccaine]

Hey Chuck, what do the "B" "S" and "C" categories in your survey results mean?

[johnbiscoe]

b was something like "basic"
s was for "sanctioned"
c was for "championship"

reflects the idea that there could be different standards for different applications.

[hawkgammon]

Chuck,

When was the last time you were with a woman?