Ask Chuck Kennedy

[krupicka]

I think the best solution for this situation is to actually give them two options, play open or play rec, trophy only.

One more option should be given: Rejoin the PDGA and you can play where your rating says.

[Smitty2004]

Chuck-

What makes a round not count towards a persons player raiting?


I played and event last weekend, and had a round were anything that could go bad did.

The unofficial raiting was 919 and my player raiting is 1014.

Is this thing going to be stuck on my raiting for a while?

Smitty

[ck34]

Probably not. Any round more than 2.5 standard deviations below your rating or more than 100 pts below (which ever is smaller) will drop out. Most players over a 1000 have Std Dev around 25 which means any round more than about 65 pts below your rating will be dropped.

[bruce_brakel]

Is there any way to stop non current and non PDGA member players from sandbagging in sanctioned events?

We track non-member ratings for the Illinois Open Series and require non-members to move up on the same basis that the PDGA requires members to move up. Also, we offer one "division" that non-members may not play, <835 or Am 4.

We had eleven players in the Am 4 "division" last weekend.

Am 4 is Rec Trophy-only with a sidebet for prizes and trophies, on the TD report.

[vwkeepontruckin]

Chuck:

Whats the last weekend that can still get in the update provided the TDs are timely.

[ck34]

I would say that events the weekend of June 9-10 could get in if the report is sent on Monday, June 11.

[discette]

Chuck -

Tim Selinske turned in the complete TD report for the Crescenta Valley Safari (CV Safari) the week following the event (event date March 24 & 25). This was prior to the April 10th ratings update, but the tournament was not included. Can you tell if the event will be included this time or should the TD report be resubmitted?

Thanks

[ck34]

If it was submitted that long ago, then Dave lost or never got it because it shows the results online as unofficial. That means the PDGA hasn't processed it yet. Better contact Dave to get the scoop.

[twoods14862]

Chuck, would tossing a mini during a tournament round constitute a warning as a practice throw and if done again be subject to a penalty.

[ck34]

It's a little bit tricky but a strict reading of the Practice Throw definition in the Glossary would indicate that throwing a mini would count as a practice throw just like a regular sized disc since the definition doesn't differentiate between discs of different sizes.

Practice Throw: During a round, the projection of a *disc* of a distance greater than two meters, or of any distance toward a target, intentional or not, which does not change the player’s lie, either because it did not occur from the teeing area or the lie, or because the player had already thrown competitively from the teeing area or the lie.

[gottagothrow]

In my experience, when someone throws a mini out of
frustration during a PDGA event, our card has called a
courtesy violation (warning for 1st time). It usually doesn't
happen again.
DD

[LouMoreno]

It's a little bit tricky but a strict reading of the Practice Throw definition in the Glossary would indicate that throwing a mini would count as a practice throw just like a regular sized disc since the definition doesn't differentiate between discs of different sizes.

I disagree based on the fact that a mini is referred to as a "mini marker disc" throughout the rules. If the practice throw rule was meant to include minis, "mini marker discs" should have been specifically mentioned in that rule.

[ck34]

I think the RC included mini discs in the rule without extra language being required by simply using the word "discs." They do that in other places where a generic word covers a range of items such as the terms "artificial devices" or "obstacles" without detailing them. For example, there are discs like Aerobies that are not legal for competition. Would you allow players to play catch with those during a round since they didn't meet the official definition of a disc for play?

[dfee]

I don't think throwing a mini should count as a penalty stroke the first time. It is a courtesy violation.
This is from rule 801.01.B
Examples of discourteous actions are: shouting, cursing, freestyling, slapping course equipment, throwing out of turn, throwing or kicking golf bags, throwing minis,

[ck34]

Good catch. Looks like the RC has actually addressed it in writing. OK, so still no playing catch with Aerobies during the round.

[AviarX]

Hi Chuck,
i noticed under the PDGA Player Statistics info (accessed through the "Membership" tab) that if i look at current info it shows points, money won and tourney's attended for the year, but then if i click the "2006" link it shows the 2007 stats instead of the 2006 info (the other years work correctly though).

evidently the 2006 and 2007 links both point to 2007 data (money won, etc.) and there is presently no way to see 2006 data. i tried it with my info and Peter Shive's and noted the same glitch...

should i direct this concern to you or to some other party?

thanks for your time and happy disc'in

[ck34]

Direct it to Dave Gentry.

[vwkeepontruckin]

Do these 'quick' ratings look low? Maybe AMs and Pros are still mixed in the forms?

[ck34]

Hard to know since we never know if the TD has done the course layouts properly when we look at unofficial ratings.

[AviarX]

Direct it to Dave Gentry.

Hi Chuck, i did as you suggested but the glitch is still there -- was using the "Contacts" link the right route?

as an example of what it's doing -- if you go to Climo's PDGA stats page (or any member's) and click on "2006" it yields 2007 info (points, money, etc.) ...

i promise i'm not with the IRS

[ck34]

When I click on any player and then click on 2006, I get their 2006 event listings. Anyone else getting 2007 info when clicking on 2006 data under a player's member info?

Gentry is on vacation and will probably have a feww hundred emails to deal with next week. But it may be your problem, not the site?

[AviarX]

i highly doubt it is just me -- that would be really weird because the 2005 and 2004 and 2007 links work fine for me while 2006 yields 2007 points and money info.
(can someone confirm what i am saying?)

try this:

if i go to your (Chuck Kennedy) PDGA stats info via the "Membership" tab at the top of the page, i get:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playe...p?PDGANum=4949

and then i click on the "2006" link it yields 2007 points and money info even though it shows your 2006 events. (for example, under the first heading beneathe your name and location it shows:

PDGA Points Information
# Tourn. Points Prize
1 .... 30

see: http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playe...4949&year=2006

it is just that first heading: PDGA Points Information
the second heading: Player Rating Information is fine
as is the third heading: Tournament Results

the 2005 and 2004 links are fine too on all accounts...

[ck34]

OK, I see it's just the point total that's off, not the event listing. That's a Dave issue. I have no admin access to the PDGA website.

[AviarX]

yes it affects the 2006 points total, # of events, and cash won for the year.

just trying to do my part to help keep the stat ducks in a row, and you seem to be the go-to stats guy.
i did use the contacts link to inform David G. though -- thanks for the help.

[rizbee]

Hi Chuck,

My son and I have registered for Am Worlds, however, my 15-yr-old son is registered to play in the <16 Junior Girls division. While I'm sure the girls would love him and he them, I think it's best for him to be in the appropriate gender division.

I have contacted the TD and he says he can't fix this - it is a PDGA thing. I have submitted a request via the Tour Manager link on this site but have received no reply - probably because Gentry is on vacation?

Any ideas who could fix this? It's a bit embarrassing for him...

Allen Risley

[ck34]

I don't think Gentry's back until Monday so that's as soon as he can get to it. All registration for both Worlds goes thru Breiner's website as a service for the PDGA so we just sit back and wait for the updates. Speaking of which, I haven't seen this Friday's update yet. Of course, this is the day after Hoeniger has retired and he has done the updates for years now.

[skaZZirf]

Gonna be a change his time...Probably bad for me...Great for Tank...same for BArd....

[friZZaks]

don't think I'm moving anywhere.

[brock]

hey Chuck,thanks for all your help.

I know that rounds more than 2.5 SD are dropped, but do they
still drop other low rounds if you play "x" amount of events?

[ck34]

No. If you're consistent enough over the years relative to your rating, it's possible that you might never have a round dropped. The long range theoretical drop rate for everyone on average under the current structure is about 1 round in 50 getting dropped. The rate is a little higher for lower rated players because we automatically drop rounds more than 100 pts below your rating even if 2.5SD for that player is more than 100.