[davei]

Just a note on technique regarding cranking on a disc and having it go straight or flip: Except for the high face wind shot, most all of the discs that we make, (models with torque resistance) can be cranked pretty hard, if done with the proper technique, and not flip and roll, even if they have a turning characteristic. It has to do with the angle of attack. Any nose up attack will work with a turning disc. Nose up with a stable disc will kill the shot or stall it. Nose up into a wind is difficult because it will turn your shot into an MTA floater. So, unless you have to throw low line drive shots with the nose down, or low into the wind, an unstable disc can be thrown as hard as you want with the nose up, and it will go straight and far. It does take some amount of finesse. And you have to know your disc.