I've read that the epic might bring worse disc golf equipment? How is that? If someone wants to take the equipment we have already and try to make it better, I say more power to them. At least their attempt was with two "new" style frisbees and not 5 a year with only slight modifications. The way I see it is that the companies keep coming out with new stuff for the average rec. player to think that it might help their game. Who still putts with an Aviar or a Magnet? I'm sure a lot of the top pros use them. So what are the maufacturers really woriied about? It's all about the rec golfer that is trying to learn the sport and when he/she is having frisbees handed to him saying it will do this and that, that will be the one they take. So lets leave the "new" guys/girls alone and see which frisbee they will choose in their own frisbee challange.