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Old Sep 30 2003, 09:59 AM   #305
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Default Re: Question for Dave D

I think it's an innovative and intersting disc.
That being said, it ••••• for the sport for one huge reason: newbies find it hard enough to control discs, and this one is downright unpredictable - especially for newer players (who will buy it simply because of the name).

I think that overall, it pushes some boundaries and shows that those boundaries are good - keeps you from having a flaky disc, but it's more a detriment to the sport than a boon. I don't harbor any ill feeling towards the maker, however: his schtick is to challenge assumptions. Look at his flying ring or his superdisc - both are fairly radical departures from the previous assumptions made in flying discs, and are cool. Sadly, I think that it will have more of a negative impact on the sport than he anticipated.

As far as Dave's viewpoint, I see it much like the motorcycle industry's "gentleman's agreement" that limits the top end speed of bikes. When a new manufacturer entered the market with a helicopter turbine powered bike that blew away the speed limit, many manufacturers were ****** because it represented a poor trend for the safety of the riders. Much like those manufacturers, I think Dave and the other major players will act appropriately, voice their concerns, and not fall into trying to produce the same gimmicky and overall damaging products that the new innovative but naiive company may have introduced.

Is it about money? Nah. Don't get me wrong, plenty of people bought the fastest production motorcycle ever made ... but if they were riders, they bought different bikes, and kept the other simply as a showpiece. Personally, I bought an epic, and I still throw it for fun - it's wacky, but I'll not throw it for golf. Quite simply it's crap. Innovative crap. Crap that reinforces why disc golf discs are designed the way they are. Crap that may sadly turn a few potential players off to the sport. But it's fun crap. And I don't think it's crap that will put Dave D out of business.

As far as those of you criticizing Dave, don't confuse yourself. He could make more money on discs, by far; he has enough of a market share to set prices if he wants, and he hasn't. Consider that he's saying almost exactly the same thing as motorcycle manufacturers, "This product is hard to control and fast enough to be literally dangerous. If you know people interested in the sport, please guide them to a product that won't turn them off to the sport or hurt them or those around them," - an MRV, Shark, or Demon.

Props to Dave for speaking out for the sport. He knew he'd get flack from nay-sayers and critics, but he spoke out to protect the sport. Props again, man.
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