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Originally Posted by krupicka
801.01.E+802.04.E
I can see someone sinking a long jump putt on a hole and another player claiming they foot faulted by releasing the disc too late.
Part of this lies in that most warnings in the rules are just warnings and a single call is probably sufficient. If the warning is called, it's noted on the scorecard and play continues on. In the case of a foot fault, it is a warning + rethrow. Thus this affects play (and possibly score).
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Originally Posted by bruceuk
There is an endemic culture of not calling violations throughout DG worldwide, stance violations, time and probably courtesy are the prime culprits, and the move to a single person warning is part of trying to resolve that. If I can warn you on it myself, the rest of the card will be alert and available for seconding it in subsequent cases. Currently the first warning is typically one person seeing it and having an informal word, which I think lends itself to personal 1-2-1 conflict, and does nothing to alert the group to look for a formal infraction.
In terms of recourse you have the option of invoking 801.01 C, get a ruling or take a provisional if no official is available. False or tactical calling is cheating, and if the rest of your group supports you I would expect the TD to make that call.
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In the case I'm envisioning calling the TD over won't help. The player calling the warning is the only witness to the infraction. His card mates weren't paying attention, and the player will defend himself to the death. An illegal jump putt is very subjective and difficult to demonstrate later whether or not it was indeed legal (Video replay is already verboten by the BOD). I would think that if a single player has the ability to issue a warning on a foot fault, then it should be only a warning and a rethrow is not required. Otherwise get rid of the warning on a foot fault altogether and make the first occurrence a penalty (then it is in line with a practice throw which then becomes the same thing).
I think only needing a single player for a warning is a good thing if the effect is a warning only. In essence with a foot fault, it isn't just a warning, but it is a warning+rethrow penalty. In this case there really needs to be a second.