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Old Sep 12 2012, 05:28 AM   #14
bruceuk
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I'll try to cover these in order, apologies if I miss any. Incidentally, it would be helpful if you could reference the rule you're questioning

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Originally Posted by wsfaplau View Post
Awesome, thanks Bruce.

OK, I'll start.

Looks like you can now keep putting right up to the start signal instead of having to stop at the 2 minute warning
That remains in the Competition manual, so not sure how you've come to that one.

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Originally Posted by jconnell View Post
One thing jumped out to me as ripe for potential abuse, and that is the "Omitted Hole" rule (803.03 G. 6.). If a player comes up to a hole for which they feel they will throw a high number of throws, they could skip it, call it omitted, and take par+4 and perhaps take a score lower than they would if they played it. Or perhaps a hole with a water hazard that a player prefers to skip so they don't lose discs. A seven might be better than tin-cupping four discs into the water and taking a double digit score.
We did discuss the various ways in which you might gain advantage by intentional misplay, and felt that it was adequately covered by 803.03 F.

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Originally Posted by krupicka View Post
Now that only a single player needs to call a stance violation for the first offense since it is only a warning (801.01E), why is the text "Stance violations may not be...seconded by the thrower" in 802.04E needed?
Given the previous loophole it's simpler I think to rule the player out in this instance than have a long winded rule about how you can't warn, but can call or second if there's a penalty.

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Originally Posted by krupicka View Post
801.01F+801.04G Was it intentional that courtesy violations now require a second? Same question for a practice throw.
Yes, we wanted to adopt as close as possible to a single approach to applying the rules, hence section 801.01

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Originally Posted by krupicka View Post
According to 804.04D we now need to get approval from the Tour Manager when we feel that it is better on a hole to restrict relief for OB to a drop zone. I realize that many pro's disliked throw and distance at the USDGC, but is it really necessary to for me to be submitting my course info sheet on every tournament I run to the tour director for approval? There is usually a hole or two where limiting the OB options makes sense.

Of course it also seems that based on 805.03.B, if the area is declared as a special condition area rather than Out-of-bounds a TD can limit relief to a drop zone.
That was a Board decision.

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It seems that a number of items have been moved to the competition manual. I assume a new competition manual will also be ready soon.
Competitions Manual is a different committee I'm not on, so can't help you there.

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With all of the things moved to the competition manual (e.g. start of play), why was a late scorecard left in the rules and not moved to the competition manual?
There are so many aspects of scoring that are fundamental, it was felt best to retain it.

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Originally Posted by wsfaplau View Post
When will the Q&As be redone?
QAs are here: http://conraddamon.com/pdga/2013/qanda.html
Worth noting that I think 8 still needs updating to reflect returning the disc to it's approximate position, rather than playing from the resulting lie. which would therefore mean that you DO get the 2m penalty if it's in play, I've dropped a note to Conrad.

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If someone questions the legality of my putter I can't use it again until the TD or an official approves it?
This is just a reformulation of the 2011 rule: "Discs must be specifically approved by the director if questioned by another player or an official."
I think if someone queried a clearly legal disc and you presented your case to the Director, they would be subject to Comp manual 3.3 5: Cheating.

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Originally Posted by JoakimBL View Post
If a second is not needed if the violation only results in a warning, is there anything stopping me form calling violations on my cardmates on the first hole, even if they are not violating a rule? Obviously I could get a curtesy violation, if it's obvious what I'm doing, but If say that I call 30 seconds after 25 seconds, it's not obvious, and the rest of the group can do nothing? That doesn't sit right with me, since it opens up all kinds of doors for angle shooting.
Yes, Comp manual 3.3 5: Cheating
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