Originally Posted by keithjohnson
We all agreed about the first part.
We disagreed on the second part as the hole has a creek running from the tee to the basket with the first 250-300 feet being parallel to the fairway and the last 75-100 feet meandering in front of and to the left of the basket. The TD wanted to give unlimited relief - and it was argued relief could in theory with the right angles be carried all the way back to the teeing area - which seems to be counter to the spirit of the rules. At that point you might as well declare the entire fairway as casual, so that skill is eliminated and the luckiest person wins - since the new rulebook allows it.
We said if it was a small puddle or something else a little relief would be ok, but since most of the creek is only 1-2 feet wide and 6-12 INCHES deep within 100 feet of the basket, we came to the agreement to take the first LEGAL stance if they didn't want to stick their toes over the flowing part of the water to make thier approach or putt
Of course I spent both rounds playing from out of the creek, and the bad play on that one hole cost me over $150.
I call beyond the creek OB when I run my yearly Event there, so that there is more risk/ reward to the hole as you have to think more on your upshot and whether to go 100% at the putt and risk another stroke if you missleft and at high speed.
Let me know how you see it interpreted to where I couldn't just call anywhere on the course casual the way the rule is written now - I'm gonna say now that you can't.
I copied it this time to be safe and of course it will go through with no issues.
It should be noted that the "old" rulebook allowed the TD to grant the same greater casual relief as the "new" rulebook. The text of the rule didn't change with the revision, just the placement [old book rule 803.05C(2), new book rule 803.05B]
Regarding the line I underlined, why would you need to agree to that? That's the way the rule reads already.
Originally Posted by 803.05B
If it is impractical to move the obstacle, the player's lie may be relocated to the nearest lie which is no closer to the hole, is on the line of play, and is not more than five meters from the original lie, as agreed to by a majority of the group or an official (unless greater casual relief is announced by the director).
By rule, casual relief is taking the nearest lie on the line of play. In other words, if a dry playable lie exists 3m behind the original lie, you don't get to go to a spot 4m back, you have to take the lie at 3m back.
I interpret greater relief to mean granting more than 5m on the line of play (so as to not incur a penalty), but not to mean eliminating the "nearest lie" component. So by default, the agreement you all came to was redundant.