Originally Posted by Djpaco
Dave, don't take offense to my questions, but what is the point of doing a test run of discs if no-one is going to throw them first of all being outlandishly expensive and limited to 11 possible people? Were they really a "test run"?
What really is being tested?
A) How the disc plays in this configuration
B) ...or how much people are willing to pay for a 'limited' run disc?
I am all for growing/ supporting the sport I love by purchasing fund raiser discs, but really?
Dave, on another completely separate note, why did the champion boss go from stable/understable to overstable? Why is the original configuration not being made available? It seems the secondary market of collectors have these discs and those of us who loved how they ***originally came out of the mold, yet cannot afford $40 to $50*** are left wondering, why?
Again, I am not trying to anger anyone, but i have been wondering about this question since literally a week after the boss came out... Cheers to all...
As far as your first question goes, there are three basic types of tests. There is a test market, and a material/mold test, and flight tests of certain mold/material tests. The test you were referring to was simply a material test. No market test or flight tests were planned other than the immediate flight tests on site by myself and Steve Wisecup. The material passed the molding and initial flight tests, but was deemed unsuitable for Rocs as it was too gummy. The test samples sat in my office with no place to go until I thought of letting Suzette use them for SoCal fundraising. She did.
I have no idea why people paid what they did for these 160gm gummy Rocs. 160gms is not a particularly popular weight. These cannot even be used for the Japan Open. Champion Rocs are ordered by the USDGC to be almost all at top weight class in a stiffer Champion plastic. All the money generated went to SoCal, not Innova. Suzette paid Innova the same discount CFR fee that other tournaments pay.
As for the initial Bosses: We started running Champion Bosses in a softer material that produced a huge amount of rejects due to flight plate warping. We subsequently changed the plastic mix, so that would not occur. Since then, we have learned to use the softer mix better such that we can run far fewer rejects, but we have not tried it in the Boss since then. The second Champion mix produced a more stable Boss that our team was requesting. We decided to stay with that mix and try to make the Star Boss a little less over stable.
I believe we can now run the Champion Boss in the softer material, but I am not sure if it is necessary with the introduction of the Katana.