I recently got 2 in the mail one yellow, one blue both 176g. I was able to get them out just a little past the 360 mark without really having to get on them (virtually no left to right movement). When i did start to really throw them they turned a little but always broke back near the end of the flight. I let a friend try them (he throws almost nothing but squalls and buzzz's for mid shots) and he said they were very close to the squall but the stalker was a little longer and has a little more fade at the end. He purchased them off of me and i really think its going to be his go to control disc. Should be a great disc for finess oriented players and maybe a good turn over disc for guys with cannons.