Originally Posted by sandalbagger
J Gary has redesigned the hole, but the anchor has not been put in the ground yet so we are still playing the original hole.
Well KB threw a ROC all the way down to 9's basket from 3's tee and he's been playing 30 + years!!! Carl VEsch through his beast with hyzer which then flipped and flew all the way through the chairlift, over the alpine slide and landed on the MTB trail.
In all honesty this entire course is the most dangerous I have ever seen or played.
Dave Olcott almost got hit on Goosebumps from an errant shot from Alanna on the corkscrew hole.
The hole after goosebumps, the tee is so close to the basket of the goosebumps hole, that someone is bound to get killed teeing off down while a shot comes screaming down the mountain.
The tee after the corkscrew hole is too close to the basket of the corkscrew hole.
There are numerous other instances where this is just a bad design from a safety standpoint.
Jerry, and the rest of our group kept calling this course "A lawsuit waiting to happen"
It's not if someone gets hit by a disc out there, it's just when.
And for the record, my shot I threw on hole 3 last year did end up landing all the way down by the lodge. I actually was given the disc back by the pro shop.
With all the room out there, I think some serious consideration needs to be used in redesigning a few of these holes. I don't want to see anyone get killed.
If 950+ players are having trouble, just think of the new players!!
But I did almost have a skip ace on hole 4. Hit the yellow band.
Believe me I love this course, but it's justa matter of time before someone gets hurt out there. I know I don't want to get hit from a disc coming down that mountain.
Chris, I've played about 200 courses and have played dozens more dangerous than 7 Springs.
I'm pretty sure that you're probably up around the same number but I feel that a statement like "In all honesty this entire course is the most dangerous I have ever seen or played" is not only an exaggeration and hyperbole, but also being stated publicly like this is a little disrespectful to J. Gary Dropcho, one of the best disc golf course designers in the world.
Any ski resort course is naturally going to have a few holes where because of gravity, an errant disc has the chance to end up on the fairway of another hole. I agree that an errant shot on Goosebumps #15 can easily end up on the Corkscrew hole or over on the tee of hole#16.
But that is the only hole where I see major problems. I've never understood why people are using such poor disc selction on hole#3, and with the polehole being moved, the safety hazard is going to be removed anyway. The tee after the Corkscrew hole is pushed left and far away from the basket of the Corkscrew and protected by foliage. I honestly cannot imagine a disc hyzering off that hard to become a safety hazard. If it does, the tee could always be moved 20 feet down and out in to the open.
As for hole#10, I threw a backhand roller off the tee both times I played it, scoring an easy birdie 3 and the 2nd time, just missing a 40-footer for a drop-in 4. I truly think I would have to aim my drive directly at the condos to run any risk of hitting them. I don't understand why golfers, 970 rated players or not, are throwing such errant shots that these condos come into play. I think the condos could actually come into play more on the approach on hole#14, but again, it would almost have to be a deliberate choice to use the airspace close to them, when an extremely ample amount of room over the ski trail is there. If the air space on hole#10 isn't wide enough (and it's probably 100' or more wide) then one really doesn't have very good control of his disc.
I think that if players use a little common sense, focus on accuracy and placement and smart golf, we wouldn't have these problems. I honestly think people are just trying to throw as hard and as far as they can without good knoweldge of the flight paths of their discs and the prevailing wind conditions. I use a putter or midrange on many holes up there, and I've shot a 64.
And again, with courses designed by J. Gary Dropcho like Knob Hill, Moraine State Park, IUP College Lodge, etc. being some of your personal favorite courses, Chris, I really don't think it's fair that you put J. Gary Dropcho in a public negative light like this. I'm sure you could have just as easily expressed these concerns to him via e-mail, phone call, or face-to-face meeting out on the course, without airing this dirty laundry in public.