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1. BUZZ - would stomp a Roc's bootay in a back alley brawl
2. SURGE - so so predictable for stable driver
buzz is the best midrange made, the end. If you love a Roc and cant part with it, that is because you've never given a Buzzz the true chance it deserves.
Surge - throw it flat and controlled and watch what happens.
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The Teebird is still the best disc for straight shots with a hyzer finish I've found, so its still in the bag.
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did you try a Gateway Assassin as of yet?
... If you love the teebird that much try one of these.
My review on the assassin thread, "a teebird on the clear". Just my --> sense
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I will try the Assasin, but I really don't like the plastic too much, so I don't see it cracking my starting lineup. Also, I use the Teebird pretty much as an overstable midrange, or a straight mid into wind. I don't think the Assassin will be that overstable.