1. BUZZ - would stomp a Roc's bootay in a back alley brawl
2. SURGE - so so predictable for stable driver
buzz is the best midrange made, the end. If you love a Roc and cant part with it, that is because you've never given a Buzzz the true chance it deserves.
Surge - throw it flat and controlled and watch what happens.
did you try a Gateway Assassin as of yet?
The Teebird is still the best disc for straight shots with a hyzer finish I've found, so its still in the bag.
... If you love the teebird that much try one of these.
My review on the assassin thread, "a teebird on the clear". Just my --> sense
I will try the Assasin, but I really don't like the plastic too much, so I don't see it cracking my starting lineup. Also, I use the Teebird pretty much as an overstable midrange, or a straight mid into wind. I don't think the Assassin will be that overstable.