US Doubles Championship - Sep 27-28, 2008

[stack]

Bring your partner. Bring your game!

Charlotte, North Carolina
Winthrop University - Rock Hill, South Carolina
September 27 & 27, 2008

Professional Entry: $300 per team (24 team limit)
Amateur Entry: $100 per team (24 team limit)

Round One: Saturday, September 28
Player Meeting: 9:30am
Shotgun Start: Time to be announced
Course: Hornet’s Nest Park Original
Format: Alternate Shot

Round Two: Saturday, September 28
Shotgun Start: Follows Lunch
Course: Renaissance Park Original
Format: Best Disc (1-6) > Captain’s Choice (7-12) > Tough Shot (13-18)

Note: Amateurs play first round at Renaissance, second round at Hornet’s Nest

Round Three: Sunday, September 29
Tee Time: 8:00am
Course: Winthrop Gold
Format: Captain’s Choice

Styles of Play:

Alternate Shot – Team members choose which person will drive on the first hole. Players alternate throws until the course is complete.

Best Disc – Both team members complete each hole individually. The best score for each hole is recorded for the team.

Captain’s Choice – Team members choose which of their tee shots to play. Each team member throws from each lie until the hole is complete.

Tough Shot – Opposing team chooses which shot to play. Once a team member has putted out, the hole is complete.

Eligibility and Registration:

Eligibility for the Professional Division is by invitation only, based on a player’s finish at the 2007 USDGC.

Entries into the Amateur Division will be based on a lottery. Lottery tickets are available in the ZoneDriven Pro Shop (http://www.zonedriven.com/proshop/index.php?p=product&id=645&parent=0)

There is no limit on entries into the lottery. All proceeds will be applied to the amateur payout.

For more information call 800.476.3968
and check here... http://www.usdgc.com/06/10/usdubs

[cwphish]

I completely do not agree with the lottery system. This event should be a TOP event for Amateurs, played on some of the TOP courses in the country. With the lottery system, there is no guarantee that the event will even be competitive, and I have a feeling that a bunch of TOP Amateurs will not even get in. There isn't even a criteria of eligibility to ensure it doesn't have a huge variance in skill levels. Was that the intent? Rumors around Charlotte were that this was going to be a major event for amateurs. I don't see where it can be. Buying tickets to increase your odds should never replace skill if the intent is to highlight competition, and grow the sport of disc golf.

Can the list of ticket purchasers be posted, as well as the number of tickets being purchased, be published publicly so we all can see the revenue generated to avoid later rumors or questions concerning the integrity of the payout as advertised? We would all also be able to see the end result of money vs skill level. I'm looking forward to the results on this one, although I am not going to hold my breath for public view of the stats regarding the monies.

[cwphish]

What would Mikey say?

[stack]

i agree that we should know how many tickets are sold and it might even be 'cool' to have a counter to show the added cash growing.

as far as the best of the best playing... you already have the top 3 finishers from the Carolina Clash playing in the tourney... thats a start. Also I would imagine people will be trying to sell themselves as good potential partners in different venues in hopes that someone put in the lottery and doesn't know who they want as a partner.

I imagined people would do that here... i myself will buy into the lottery a couple times (not sure who i'd play with yet) and at the same time will say now that i'll be available should anyone need a partner.

The sticky/interesting thing about the lottery though is that lets say you and I want to be partners... we both buy into the lottery in hopes that our team can represent... we both get picked as captains... we are not longer partners and need to find other partners. so there is some 'strategery' involved as well.

I personally am interested to see how deep into the 07' USDGC field the captains will go... between people not being in town yet... people pairing up with other top pros, some just not caring to play, etc.

[drmontei]

we have the top 4 am finishers from the clash competing.

[cwphish]

Why couldn't someone just say that since my partner hit the lottery after investing his return check from G-Dub, I am giving my captain spot back? If this isn't true, than shouldn't Dee and Derf be forced to be captains and not partners?

[stack]

didnt know if you were set w/ Dennis... good stuff!!

Polish... i'm curious how you would propose to get the TOP ams in the sport into this event?

[cwphish]

Well, there is a lot of options there. The USADGC appears to do just fine with their criteria, which even allows for anyone to attempt to qualify, but awards spots for those who have proven their competition level thorugh direct competition. Since the pdga does not have any formal doubles series, there is no way to establish a team's rating as a point of criteria. However, a one round play-in would allow for the best scores to be rewarded, and generate revenue for the LARGE AM PAYOUT, while remaining fair to all.

[stack]

Am stuff aside... will be cool to see what pros pair up and who gets in from that side... hope things will be posted as people enter for a few reasons... so pros will know if they have a good shot of getting in and for the 'fans' to get to see some of the potential matchups

[deoldphart]

will all the amature divisions be represented?

[cwphish]

Nope! One division one champion! ;)

[bgwvdave]

Polish,
i don't understand. if the am entry is a lottery how is it bring your own partner?????????????

[cwphish]

The lottery will be for selection of 24 captains from any and all who purchase a $5 lottery ticket. The 24 captains get to pick their own partner. You can buy as many chances as you would like. My understanding is that there is just one big amateur division, with no gender/age/ratings based divisions at all. Those with the most disposable income have the better chance of being drawn as a captain obviously. All of the money generated is to go to the amateur purse in full, which potentially at least could be enormous.

[stack]

what he said except there will be 18 captains drawn from the lottery... 6 have already been named

Fred Moran
David Montieth

are 2 of the captains already named

[bgwvdave]

How where they picked? this is a pretty strange format. or is it just me?

[the_kid]

So what's the deal with the spots being determined by your 07' USDGC finish?

[pterodactyl]

No ProGM?

[cwphish]

what he said except there will be 18 captains drawn from the lottery... 6 have already been named

Fred Moran
David Montieth

are 2 of the captains already named



Who are the other four?

[stack]

top 2 from Carolina Clash got to be a captain and just by chance they took the other guys in the top 4 finishers. Derf/Silver , Monty/Dennis Young

no PGM... no ProM... 1 pro division... 1 champ
1 am division.... 1 champ

[cwphish]

The other, other four dude! Were they exempt spots or something? Seriously didn't think the clash would offer up 25% of all the captains.

[cwphish]

Bueller? No response? Didn't think all the laundry was going to get aired tonight anyway!

[BIGwheels]

uhhh, Stack I think you are confused... 24 captains... only 2 captain spots were given at the clash, Derf and Monty... so 22 captains will be drawn for the AM side. unless there are other 'qualified captains' I am unaware of

[the_kid]

So who knew about these captain spots to be given away beside all the NC homers?

[bgwvdave]

where does it say anything about that on the web site / flyer? is this the U.S. Championship or the Charlotte Championship?

[cwphish]

You may be right partner, I mean potential captain.

I think the payout should be based on the odds you have before the lottery. The more chances you buy, your payout decreases. Reward the underdog!

[bgwvdave]

So who knew about these captain spots to be given away beside all the NC homers?


charlotte homers. i play a ton in N.C. and this is the first i have heard of this tourney. like i said strange format

[MTL21676]

Charlotte, South Carolina :D

[cwphish]

BWD, besides Monty and Dennis, there is the probability that nobody else from Charlotte even gets in with such a small field. Unless the mystery four spots awarded per Stack are Charlotte guys.

[BIGwheels]

the captain spot notification was on the Charlotte Clash flyer from the get go. so complaining is pointless

[cwphish]

Dave, we here in the QC were told it was going to be a first come first serve registration. All this today is new to the Charlotte guys too, except Stack apparently.

[BIGwheels]

no Billy Crump dropped that on us at the players meeting before the 3rd round of the Clash... I just figured word had spread...

[cwphish]

You mean they verbally announced that it would be a lottery draw on the second day of the clash? Bill J. told me before and after the Clash that it would be first come first serve registration, and he is the TD.

[BIGwheels]

nope BC talked Lottery, buy as many tickets as you want...etc

[cwphish]

I would have played advanced for the clash if that information was public. I wonder if Buddy T., or Wiggy Jr. would have played advanced too?

[bobsted]

When do you pick the captains for the am division? If it is truly a US amateur doubles championship then you would want players from all over and not just the players from the south east. With that said people from farther away would want to know with enough time to make traveling arrangements. Just something to keep in mind.

[cwphish]

Good points.

[the_kid]

What about the Pros? How does their structure work? Also I assume you had to play the 07' USDGC to make it in. I'm not so sure that is the best way to qualify since "based on your USDGC finish" doesn't tell much. Top 20 50 100?

[cwphish]

Scooter, the pro debate has not begun yet. You have to have at least three participants for it to be a division on here! :D

[stack]

uhhh, Stack I think you are confused... 24 captains... only 2 captain spots were given at the clash, Derf and Monty... so 22 captains will be drawn for the AM side. unless there are other 'qualified captains' I am unaware of



you were there for the awards ceremony... there were 6 captain spots given @ the clash... no confusion here. 2 to the top 2 ams ... 2 to the top 2 int and 2 to the top 2 adv. masters

24-6= 18

[stack]

What about the Pros? How does their structure work? Also I assume you had to play the 07' USDGC to make it in. I'm not so sure that is the best way to qualify since "based on your USDGC finish" doesn't tell much. Top 20 50 100?



in theory it could be top 24 people... its invite only for the pro side based on your 2007 USDGC finish. they'll go down the list and talk to each pro and see if they are playing and if they are who with... between the people that dont play or partner up with other top finishers from the previous years USDGC it could go as low as the 40th person as an example.

[bgwvdave]

the captain spot notification was on the Charlotte Clash flyer from the get go. so complaining is pointless


what has the charlotte clash got to do with the US Doubles Championship???????????????????

[cwphish]

Can't believe the women were blatantly discriminated. Is the third round at Winthrop Gold really being played using RIPT Cards?

[cwphish]

Ronald Gale and Doug Singleton are the qualifiers from Advanced Masters then. I'd post about the intermediates, but it should probably come from one of the ints. who played so they can relive and relay the drama that apparently went down.

[BIGwheels]

I'm not sure what the Clash has to do with the Doubles Championship, but the flyer stated that the top 2 ams will receive a captain spot in the US doubles championship.

My apologizes Stack, I stand corrected.

[stack]

the captain spot notification was on the Charlotte Clash flyer from the get go. so complaining is pointless


what has the charlotte clash got to do with the US Doubles Championship???????????????????



the US Doubles Championship is being run by Charlotte in conjunction w/ Zone Driven/USDGC and I believe they used the clash (being an A tier USDGC qualifier using some of the same courses) as an opportunity to get some of the spots out there.



Can't believe the women were blatantly discriminated. Is the third round at Winthrop Gold really being played using RIPT Cards?



what women are you talking about?... there was 1 woman on the am side and the TD was already nice enough to donate $ to her and let her play in her own division instead of lumping her in w/ the Intermediates

[BIGwheels]

sarcasm Stack

[cwphish]

the captain spot notification was on the Charlotte Clash flyer from the get go. so complaining is pointless


what has the charlotte clash got to do with the US Doubles Championship???????????????????



the US Doubles Championship is being run by Charlotte in conjunction w/ Zone Driven/USDGC and I believe they used the clash (being an A tier USDGC qualifier using some of the same courses) as an opportunity to get some of the spots out there.



Can't believe the women were blatantly discriminated. Is the third round at Winthrop Gold really being played using RIPT Cards?



what women are you talking about?... there was 1 woman on the am side and the TD was already nice enough to donate $ to her and let her play in her own division instead of lumping her in w/ the Intermediates



Do you think two more women may have played if they would have known they would get a spot into the US Doubles Championships? And why am I getting pm's from some AM ladies that appear upset?

[bgwvdave]

what has the charlotte clash got to do with the US Doubles Championship???????????????????



the US Doubles Championship is being run by Charlotte in conjunction w/ Zone Driven/USDGC and I believe they used the clash (being an A tier USDGC qualifier using some of the same courses) as an opportunity to get some of the spots out there.


[/QUOTE]
sounds logical but outside of Charlotte who even knew what the US Doubles championship was? you started this thread today which is the first i have heard of it. the Clash was in May i believe.

[stack]

it was on the website and flyers which were up a while before the tourney in May.

same thing w/ your comment about the AM women Polish... i cant find it but i believe the flyer said something about the spots going to top 2 in any division w/ at least 6 (i think) competitors. There is something on the old tourney page on our website but that was changed just before the tourney and was wrong... the flyer always had the info about the spots.

[cwphish]

Dave "Infoguy" Marchant retired this year BWD.

Stack, so those who actually trusted the webpage for the event got the wrong information!

[bgwvdave]

it was on the website and flyers which were up a while before the tourney in May.



what website???? what Flyers???? Charlotte website? Charlotte flyers?

[stack]

Dave "Infoguy" Marchant retired this year BWD.



And he is and will be greatly missed for years to come... Dave was probably one of the most underrated hard working people behind the scenes of disc golf around here.

....

and just so people know... I have had nothing to do with the organization/planning of this up to this point... i was asked to start this thread since USDGC website posted the info earlier today.

i'm not on here to defend anything... just disseminate information of what has happened since there seems to be a bit of confusion.

I personally dont agree w/ some of the things but have decided to mention them to Burro himself instead of here. Since then I also plan to help with this event to see how I might be able to help before/during the event and also help w/ planning for next year.

[the_kid]

What about the Pros? How does their structure work? Also I assume you had to play the 07' USDGC to make it in. I'm not so sure that is the best way to qualify since "based on your USDGC finish" doesn't tell much. Top 20 50 100?



in theory it could be top 24 people... its invite only for the pro side based on your 2007 USDGC finish. they'll go down the list and talk to each pro and see if they are playing and if they are who with... between the people that dont play or partner up with other top finishers from the previous years USDGC it could go as low as the 40th person as an example.



And can they partner with anyone or do they have to be ranked from USDGC alone?

[bgwvdave]

the US Doubles Championship is being run by Charlotte in conjunction w/ Zone Driven/USDGC and I believe they used the clash (being an A tier USDGC qualifier using some of the same courses) as an opportunity to get some of the spots out there.



since USDGC website posted the info earlier today.


so the USDGC Site just listed the tournaments info. today but there are already people qualified?

Stack thanks for getting the Info. out. Stan and Crump are super stand up guys i am sure this will be a huge success. I'm just not sure the inaugural event needs to carry the name US Doubles. just my opinion!

[stack]

scooter... (not the expert and just guessing but) as far as i know they can pick whoever they want... like say if Climo wants he could offer up to play with whoever might sponsor the team and pay the full $300 entry (not sure if anyone would've thought of that but i'd imagine some might go for that)

and thanks BWD... i'm just trying to get out info i've heard/picked up... a lot is still being ironed out from what i understand (either that or im just not privy to the info)

[BaKDut]

Ronald Gale and Doug Singleton are the qualifiers from Advanced Masters then. I'd post about the intermediates, but it should probably come from one of the ints. who played so they can relive and relay the drama that apparently went down.



I won a spot from Int. Clash. The other Int. was Shan Trotter last I heard.

[skaZZirf]

$300 a team is a lot right before USDGC.

[Wolfpack77]

This is a message from Bill "Burro" Jacobson:

not sure how to respond to all the complaining on how this is being run other to to say that it is the inaugural year for the event & with every new event there will be things learned this year that will be changed in years to come. i am a big part of the decision making process, but not the sole decision maker. the am side is a very difficult field to figure out who plays & who doesn't. the field is very small this year but will probably become larger in the years to come. i can only ask that you bear with us in the infancy of this event, understand that none of the decisions that were made were taken lightly. if you have major concerns feel free to contact me via p.m. or if you have my number you are welcome to call. in closing those of you who feel we are being taken advantage of by the usdgc/innova/zone driven are very far off base all the above entities have been nothing but supportive & have in large part been a big factor in helping us have the courses & great events we have in the charlotte area.

burro

[stack]

$300 a team is a lot right before USDGC.



at 'only' $150 per player i dont think its that bad... if people were playing the charlotte open which was normally this weekend it would've been over/around 100 bones for that tourney.

again as mentioned... if a pro thinks he's good enough I could see deals being worked out where a lesser player gets to play with a pro bc they are willing to pay more than their 1/2 of the teams entry.

if anything I would think the Pros would see this as a way to make a little extra traveling money for the trip to Rock Thrill

also...
not sure how payout is done but looking @ the payout calculator the PDGA has on its website and putting in those numbers (24 entries @ $300) but it looks like the winning team could be around $2000!!!! (mind you this is not official and i'm not sure how they do payout for doubles but i'm sure it'll be some nice $$$)

[bgwvdave]

not sure how to respond to all the complaining on how this is being run


Please let Burro know that i think he answered his own questions with the next sentence. This is the inagural event take the comments on here (lightly) and make the adequate changes if needed.

those of you who feel we are being taken advantage of by the usdgc/innova/zone driven


I don't think anyone on here thinks we are being taken advantage of. My only issues is this event sounds like and hopefully will be a huge success but it is carrying a name that i don't fill is indicative of the representation. i simply don't find it fair to have people from a local event already qualified for an event that was not announced and few knew about.

[rickb]

Now that we all agree there was communication issues concerning this event during the Clash maybe somone can answer a few questions.

Of the 6 spots that were awarded at the Clash, were there confimations from the 6 winners that they would even be playing in the event? Nothing was said about this during the awards ceremony.

What happens if both team members sign up for the lottery on the am side and both members win a spot? Will the extra spot won become available again?

When will the drawing be? And where? Some folks are going to have to make travel arrangements.

Who will be drawing the winning spots and will there be someone to oversee the drawing to keep it legitimate?

Is there a deadline for entry fees on the am side once the winners are drawn? ala USDGC, and if so what happens if a team doesn't send in thier payment on time? Does the spot become available again? If so how do they determine who gets the spot? Maybe drawing extra names somewhat like a waiting list?

Will the number of lottery tickets purchased be posted anywhere to see how many are trying to win a spot, and to figure what the odds are and exactly how much money will be added to the am purse?

[jefferson]

why is there a 24 team limit? why not 36?

[phluffhead]

Another good question. Lots of questions of this one

[stack]

i have a lot of questions myself but here are some answers to ones I do know...
Rick...
-Crump was there at the players meeting on Sunday morning and fliers were posted all around the pavilion then about the event... they also announced the spots @ the awards ceremony and everyone confirmed then and there... actually monty/dee were going to have to playoff for their spot but dee and derf will be playing together so he declined. Also an intermediate declined as well.
-i answered this one earlier... crump said if 2 people plan on playing together and both enter the lottery and 'win' then they are both captains and cant play together... not sure about what would happen if one declined... i would say the safe bet would be to only have 1 partner put into the lottery making it a moot point.
-the other questions are some of the same ones I have as well.
same w/ you Jeff... not sure on the size... you can easily fit 4 groups on a card and 24 seems to be a random # at that.

[jefferson]

and 24 seems to be a random # at that.


yep

[DSilver]

Why couldn't someone just say that since my partner hit the lottery after investing his return check from G-Dub, I am giving my captain spot back? If this isn't true, than shouldn't Dee and Derf be forced to be captains and not partners?



There was a 2-way tie for second at the Clash. Monty and I both wanted to play. Derf asked me who I would play with and I said "You". It only made sense to me to turndown my Capt. spot. Monty wins by default and we can both play.

As for all you haters, it won't maTTer to much who wins the lottery. Raleigh is going home with the 1st ever USDCSC Am cup. :D

[the_kid]

Why couldn't someone just say that since my partner hit the lottery after investing his return check from G-Dub, I am giving my captain spot back? If this isn't true, than shouldn't Dee and Derf be forced to be captains and not partners?



There was a 2-way tie for second at the Clash. Monty and I both wanted to play. Derf asked me who I would play with and I said "You". It only made sense to me to turndown my Capt. spot. Monty wins by default and we can both play.

As for all you haters, it won't maTTer to much who wins the lottery. Raleigh is going home with the 1st ever USDCSC Am cup. :D




That's about like saying that TX will take home Am World Doubles. :eek:

[JerryChesterson]

How can this be called the "US" Doubles Championships when only 24 teams get in? Wouldn't the "US" Doubles Championships have to be open to any team that wanted to compete?

[stack]

How can this be called the "US" Doubles Championships when only 24 teams get in? Wouldn't the "US" Doubles Championships have to be open to any team that wanted to compete?



ask the same question only substitute US doubles for USDGC and 24 for whoever many get invites to USDGC

[JerryChesterson]

How can this be called the "US" Doubles Championships when only 24 teams get in? Wouldn't the "US" Doubles Championships have to be open to any team that wanted to compete?



ask the same question only substitute US doubles for USDGC and 24 for whoever many get invites to USDGC



USDGC is based on qualifying via other events which are well published in advance. Not the same. I could see this working if they only have 24 spots and you qualified for those spots via other tournaments.

[the_kid]

How can this be called the "US" Doubles Championships when only 24 teams get in? Wouldn't the "US" Doubles Championships have to be open to any team that wanted to compete?



ask the same question only substitute US doubles for USDGC and 24 for whoever many get invites to USDGC



Yeah but there are MANY qualifiers throughout the year not just ONE.

[stack]

i was referring to the idea of him saying it should be 'open to any team that wanted to compete'... USDGC isnt open to anyone and it is tagged w/ US

and technically this is open to anyone who wants to compete even more than the USDGC is... with the lottery anyone has a shot at getting in.

agree about the qualifier piece for the usdgc... again just commented based on the 'open to anyone' idea

[tanner]

I'm not really following any of this craziness other than it's the day before the monday qualifier, this will undoubtedly add more people to a course full of people practicing for USDGC.

[drmontei]

As for all you haters, it won't maTTer to much who wins the lottery. Raleigh is going home with the 1st ever USDCSC Am cup. :D



we'll see...will be a great time for sure.

[24076]

So now there is World Doubles Championhip (Texas)
Worlds Doubles Championship (Michigan)
US Doubles Championships (NC)
Sounds fun but to buy Lottery tickets to have a chance to enter? Is that correct? How can someone plan on attending not knowing if they are selected in lottery?

[haroldduvall]

Ideally, we would have known and disseminated all of the details. What we are trying to do now is to communicate the right information as practicably as possible. The questions here will help us to identify some of the key information. Please keep the questions coming. We will do our best to get them answered in a timely fashion, and when possible, include our reasoning. Often folks find it helpful to understand the reasoning whether they agree or disagree with the particular decision.

Following are answers to some of the questions that have been posted.

Why two sets of 24 teams? As correctly pointed out by Sjur (I believe), competitors are making a serious investment in USDGC Doubles. We wanted to give everyone a full playing experience, including the chance for all to play doubles on the Gold course. Tanner correctly points out that Sunday will be a big practice day for singles too. We did not feel like we could accommodate 72 teams and allow for singles practice too, and we did not want a cut. That is why we chose 48 total teams.

As for the Captains, they can choose anyone, including another Captain. If one of the top 24 plays with another, the next highest finisher from last year's Championship would then become a Captain. Similarly, if one of the Captains, chooses not to play doubles, another Captain will be selected based on last year's performance. I am not holding my breath to become a captain, but I am looking forward to some great doubles play.

In closing, I would like to echo Bill (burro). Like almost every aspect of the USDGC, we will look to learn from our experience, and improve the following year.

Take care,
Harold

[Paul Taylor]

I will echo the same setiment as said before on this thread, How can this be called THE US DOUBLES CHAMPIONSHIPS when only 24 teams from both the PRO and AM divisions will play and that is by lottery or how you finished at the USDGC.

AS for AMS - When 1/4 of the alotted teams come from a qualifier that is one tournament, that already suggest that it will not be a "WHOLE" representation of the country. An example would be NC has 6 representatives and the rest of the country will have approximately 1 for every 3 states. Yes, AM WORLD DOUBLES is in TEXAS, but it is open to ALL world participants.

AS for PROS - not all top-notch individual finishers at the USDGC or even at the WORLDS CHAMPIONSHIPS are top-notch doules players. An example would be the Bryan brothers in tennis, they are nowhere near the top 10 in the sport in singles, but are #1 in the world in doubles...Tiger Woods has never won a doubles championship in golf, but is the #1 in the world in his sport. Yes, some of the top players will be contending for this event, but probably the best will be left out. In 15 years of coaching tennis in high school, only once did my #1 player play #1 doubles. Singles is a totally different mentallity than doubles.

I am not sure how you correct this event now since the information is already out, but I do know that most perceive this event as a NC event, not as a US event. Maybe you need to have some qualifying events around the WHOLE country for the captains, instead of just in NC.


Before anybody ask, No, I will not be coming. I am a school teacher and school is already in session at this time.

[the_kid]

Just call it expensive doubles before USDGC. :D

[haroldduvall]

Dear Paul,

I agree with you. I am not sure what we should do now, but it does remind me of a recent discussion I had with my eldest teenage son. Cody and I discussed the fact that there are many situations that are unfair, imprecise, or uncertain. The best advice I could provide my firstborn was to do his best. My guess is that you offer similar advice to your tennis players when they face an imperfect court, a biased official, or an unfair seeding.

The inaugural USDGC had a regional bent. Over time, the Championship field has become more representative. We will do our best to see that this happens over time for the doubles event too.

Take care,
Harold

[stack]

thanks for posting Harold (dont see you on here a lot).

I think this is going to be a great way to kickoff CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK and hopefully get the news involved and primed for the big time event that we all know and love USDGC!!!

[OSTERTIP]

Looks like a fun event with a great format.

I hope I get in....
Any chance to play those courses is worth it....

[stack]

FYI... update on the USDGC website...

http://www.usdgc.com/06/13/61308-us-doubles-update

US Doubles Championship Information

Let’s start with the issue that probably caused the most questions, and deservedly so. The US Doubles event is NOT a major championship as the name may suggest. This competition will be more informal, geared towards providing USDGC competitors an important warm up for the actual US Championship. It will also provide a select number of amateur players an opportunity to test and compare their skills among the game’s elite.

Captains for the professional division will be based on results from the previous year’s USDGC. The top 24 finalists will have an opportunity to captain a team of their choice. Should someone be uninterested or unable to play, the 25th place finisher will have the opportunity. And so on, and so on.

Eligible pro captains are being contacted now and will be expected to accept or decline as quickly as possible. Confirmed captains do not need to name their partner at this time. We will wait until later in the summer to announce who is partnering with whom. Registration may take place as soon as captains are ready to declare. Captains looking to register should call the tournament office at 800.476.3968.

Captains for the amateur division will be determined via lottery. Since the field is so small, demand for positions will far exceed supply. The lottery format was chosen to provide a fair means of earning an opportunity to play, while generating revenue to support the event. All lottery proceeds benefit the amateur field exclusively.

Lottery tickets are currently available. They are $5.00 each and there is no limit to the number that can be purchased. All amateur participants must be current PDGA members, registered in an advanced level division or lower. PDGA professionals may not compete, regardless of current PDGA rating.

The drawing for amateur captains will take place on July 4th. This should allow plenty of time for winners to register and make travel arrangements. Winners will be posted at usdgc.com and will receive email notification. We will provide other interesting stats such as number of tickets sold, money raised, etc. Registration will open immediately.

Since amateurs will have paid for and won the chance to play, am captain status is transferable. Lottery winners may give their position to another player, or even sell/auction the position if they so choose. All teams must be registered no later than August 31.

In contrast, Pro Captain status is NOT transferable. Our tournament staff will contact a player who gains eligibility by someone else declining the opportunity.

We apologize that many of these details were not published clearly at first and that so many have had to wonder about the status of the event. Feel free to contact us with any other questions or concerns regarding US Doubles, or any other aspect of the USDGC.

[DSilver]

I think for the first year, more than ample info has been provided. This event is not for another 3 months. Thanks Harold for your input. Thanks Stack for trying to put out the "FIRE" this event is causing.

As for you Monty, I kid but it will be fun to play with you and Dennis again. I think Derf and I are coming up a month early to play one weekend, see Winthrop, and play Renny Gold. Maybe we can set up some doubles with you guys.

[Tkeith]

I don't think it should be called the "U. S. Doubles Championships" if it is limited to a certain amount of people,
Geez i would love to come up and play.

TK

[DSilver]

TThere is always next year. TTell the guys running this thing you want a qualifier nere you.

[the_kid]

TThere is always next year. TTell the guys running this thing you want a qualifier nere you.




Ok I want USDGC to be moved to TX.

[drmontei]

As for you Monty, I kid but it will be fun to play with you and Dennis again. I think Derf and I are coming up a month early to play one weekend, see Winthrop, and play Renny Gold. Maybe we can set up some doubles with you guys.



For sure. I believe Derf has my number.

[DSilver]

TThere is always next year. TTell the guys running this thing you want a qualifier nere you.




Ok I want USDGC to be moved to TX.



Sounds fine, all you need to do is build a course worth playin in TX and maybe you will get a shot.

Until then, see ya in the CAROLINA"S

[vinnie]

whatever!

[MTL21676]

TThere is always next year. TTell the guys running this thing you want a qualifier nere you.




Ok I want USDGC to be moved to TX.



I've played 5 courses in Texas and with the exception of Hornet's Nest and Renny, all of them are better than anything we have in NC

Sounds fine, all you need to do is build a course worth playin in TX and maybe you will get a shot.

Until then, see ya in the CAROLINA"S

[OSTERTIP]

I bought a few lottery tickets, will I get them in the mail. Or is my name just on a list somewhere.

[DSilver]

I've played 5 courses in Texas and with the exception of Hornet's Nest and Renny, all of them are better than anything we have in NC




You haven't played TThe Farm. By far the best course in NC, well, ok Renny is sick but it is a close 2nd.

Back to the POINT, the USDGC will NEVER leave the CAROLINA'S

[the_kid]

I've played 5 courses in Texas and with the exception of Hornet's Nest and Renny, all of them are better than anything we have in NC




You haven't played TThe Farm. By far the best course in NC, well, ok Renny is sick but it is a close 2nd.

Back to the POINT, the USDGC will NEVER leave the CAROLINA'S




You don't need a great course just rope. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[cgkdisc]

You don't need a great course just rope.



The key to staying in the Carolinas is not the course but a main Innova branch nearby. Convince Innova it's important to open a branch in Texas and THEN you can talk about moving the USDGC. Or maybe get a sponsor willing to pop at least $100,000 into it.

[stack]

You don't need a great course just rope.



The key to staying in the Carolinas is not the course but a main Innova branch nearby. Convince Innova it's important to open a branch in Texas and THEN you can talk about moving the USDGC. Or maybe get a sponsor willing to pop at least $100,000 into it.



or you could just move... that'd probably work too

[the_kid]

You don't need a great course just rope.



The key to staying in the Carolinas is not the course but a main Innova branch nearby. Convince Innova it's important to open a branch in Texas and THEN you can talk about moving the USDGC. Or maybe get a sponsor willing to pop at least $100,000 into it.



or you could just move... that'd probably work too




Just pointing out that the qualifying specs are fairly narrow since there is only one event used.

[OSTERTIP]

I bought a few lottery tickets, will I get them in the mail. Or is my name just on a list somewhere.



Can we get back to talking about the US Doubles event...
Does anyone know the answer to my question above?

[stack]

i would assume its just on a list (to cut down administrative costs and have more $ go back into the Am payout)... this isnt confirmed... just a guess

[OSTERTIP]

Thanks Stack, I hope that is not the case. Seems a bit hokey....

But I guess I have to trust the powers that be will handle it correctly.

[haroldduvall]

Dear Scott - I spoke to Jonathan. He indicated that the tickets are virtual tickets, not physical ones. I am confident that the selection will be made correctly and fairly. Thanks for your support.

Take care,
Harold

[phluffhead]

Harold- Can ANYONE (Including REGISTERED "Pros") with a rating under 970 play in the AM Doubles? Thanks

[stack]

found this from the usdgc update on this event on the usdgc site on 6/13 (and I posted a copy on here)... "PDGA professionals may not compete, regardless of current PDGA rating."

http://www.usdgc.com/06/13/61308-us-doubles-update

[dfee]

After checking out the site and seeing this thread, I see that this tourney is supposed to take place on Saturday and Sunday, however September 28 and 29th are a Sunday and Monday.

I haven't searched the whole thread to see if someone posted this or not, but it may help to change the title of the thread and the usdgc site if someone did.

[stack]

good call on that... i just started this thread by request of Burro and copied the date from the other info and didnt check... i'm sure they mean 27-28 and that probably has to be updated.

i've sent a message to the moderators to change the title of the thread to help alleviate confusions

you going to come back down to NC for this one Dustin?

[phluffhead]

THANKS STABURROLD

[dfee]

you going to come back down to NC for this one Dustin?



I may purchase a ticket or two and see what happens. Wouldn't mind watching the USDGC, and I think I can spare 5 vacation days.

[stack]

THANKS STABURROLD



lol... nice BPPS

[stack]

After checking out the site and seeing this thread, I see that this tourney is supposed to take place on Saturday and Sunday, however September 28 and 29th are a Sunday and Monday.

I haven't searched the whole thread to see if someone posted this or not, but it may help to change the title of the thread and the usdgc site if someone did.



moderators fixed it on here... thanks dustin

[bgwvdave]

I may purchase a ticket or two and see what happens. Wouldn't mind watching the USDGC, and I think I can spare 5 vacation days.



DFee,
me and noble goin to see ya in Kalamazoo this year?????

[dfee]

I may purchase a ticket or two and see what happens. Wouldn't mind watching the USDGC, and I think I can spare 5 vacation days.



DFee,
me and noble goin to see ya in Kalamazoo this year?????



Yea, I'll be there! Glad to hear you guys will make it up. Should be a good time, the courses look sweet!

[Wolfpack77]

From Jonathan Poole---the lottery drawing will be help on August 1st 2008

[bgwvdave]

yeah D Fee look forward to it man!! see ya in MI.

[stack]

From JP on USDGC.com...

Due to us being a little slow out of the gates with tournament information, we have decided to push back the deadline for purchasing Am division lottery tickets. The new deadline is Thursday, July 31st. Winners will be announced and contacted on Friday, August 1st.

A people people have asked if they will be receiving an actual lottery ticket. The answer is "no". Everyone is being entered into an electronic database. Names will be chosen randomly from that list.

Others have asked if buying more tickets increases your odds of winning. The answer is "yes". Each person receives an entry, if you will, for each ticket purchased. The more times your name is in the hopper, the better your odds.

That leads us to another popular question... What are my odds? As of today the answer is "pretty darn good", at least in my opinion. Yesterday we had a total of 85 entries from about 25 people. We are drawing for 18 team captains so you can ponder the ageless question, "Do you feel lucky?"

If you do, proceed to the pro shop and get your LOTTERY TICKETS HERE. All proceeds go to the Am division payout. Not pro. Am. So far that adds up to $425 cash added to a field of only 24 teams. I expect that will shape up nicely for those fortunate enough to get in.

So there you have it. If you have questions feel free to drop me an email. Or just post it on a message board somewhere... I'm sure it will reach me one way or the other.

J.Poole

http://www.usdgc.com/07/01/7108-am-doubles-lottery-update

[stack]

last day to buy tickets!!!

http://www.zonedriven.com/proshop/index.php?p=product&id=645&parent=101

support the Am Payout and buy yours TODAY!!!

[stack]

btw... anyone know when it will be drawn & announced? I'd guess it'd get posted to ZoneDriven or USDGC update.

[stack]

nevermind .... "Winners will be announced and contacted on Friday, August 1st."

[cwphish]

Captains are being notified now.

[phluffhead]

Congrats on the spot bagger

[cwphish]

I'm bummed you can't play. Wanna caddy? What time tomorrow, and are ju going up tonite? Cosmic Charlie here tonite for Jerry's B-Day!

[phluffhead]

think I'm going to paddle tomorrow it's too hot plus got a new kayak that I need to try out. Can't caddy bagn in the Team event at Fossil Hill that weekend

[cwphish]

Good luck bagger! Who's on ur team? Pisgah sponsored?

[phluffhead]

Pro
Pickler
?
Adv.
Real
Fake
Int.
Keller
Jason Mcguira

[cwphish]

Good pickup of Jason for INT, go with the flow!

? will be MarXX I bet!

[stack]

Congrats to the lottery winners!!!

Andrew Lawlor
Andrew Swistak (me)
Bryan Mentock
Cameron Shook
Christopher Brown
Craig Wesnofske
David Lane
Buddy Tritt
Gerald Sunkin
Jay Korybski
John Trapp
Joshua Lowe
Kevin Johnson
Michael Newhouse
Rick Black
Scott Osterhoudt
Tim Spurgeon
Tyson Harton

most likely the first and only time my name will be on the USDGC main page! :D

other captains (from what I can remember)
David Monteith
D Silver
Ron Gale
Doug Singleton
Dustin Griffith
Shan Trotter

[xterramatt]

1000 rated local lefty looking for a partner. PM me or email if interested. I know the courses pretty well.... and I have some good doubles performances. Right Ross? :)

[stack]

even though i'm in on the Am side the Pro side is what I'm really excited about... there could be some interesting pairings and watching doubles @ winthrop on the final day will be saweet! Can't imagine some of the shots they'll go for... crazy/impossible roller across the parking lot on 888!?

some pro would be crazy not to pick you up as partner peckham... i can think of some other great potential pickups from the local guys for the pro side... big jerm is another. although it doesnt appear any of the top guys read the discussion board (except schweb)

[rickb]

Now that the Captains have been selected I have a question regarding potential partners.

This has been posted since the beginning "All amateur participants must be current PDGA members, registered in an advanced level division or lower. PDGA professionals may not compete, regardless of current PDGA rating."

What exactly constitutes a Professional as far as this tournament is concerned?
Is it just someone who is registered this year as a pro ie. Fred Moran & Buddy tritt, or is it someone who has played in the open division and cashed but still registers as an am?

Thanks for all the help to those running this event. Looking forward to a great weekend of dubs.

[haroldduvall]

Hey Rick -

I will confirm, but I would believe that we will be following the Competition Manual which seems to indicate that you are a professional if you are registered with the PDGA as a Pro (2.3.A.1) or if you are an amateur who has accepted cash while competing in a Pro division (2.4.B.2). These requirements would seem to need to be met up to the event.

Take care,
Harold

[tyson99duke]

Some Info about the tourney:

Bring your partner. Bring your game.

Charlotte, North Carolina
Winthrop University - Rock Hill, South Carolina
September 28 & 29, 2008

Professional Entry: $300 per team (24 team limit)
Amateur Entry: $100 per team (24 team limit)

Round One: Saturday, September 28
Player Meeting: 9:30am
Shotgun Start: Time to be announced
Course: Hornet’s Nest Park Original
Format: Alternate Shot

Round Two: Saturday, September 28
Shotgun Start: Follows Lunch
Course: Renaissance Park Original
Format: Best Disc (1-6) > Captain’s Choice (7-12) > Tough Shot (13-18)

Note: Amateurs play first round at Renaissance, second round at Hornet’s Nest

Round Three: Sunday, September 29
Tee Time: 8:00am
Course: Winthrop Gold
Format: Captain’s Choice

Styles of Play:

Alternate Shot – Team members choose which person will drive on the first hole. Players alternate throws until the course is complete.

Best Disc – Both team members complete each hole individually. The best score for each hole is recorded for the team.

Captain’s Choice – Team members choose which of their tee shots to play. Each team member throws from each lie until the hole is complete.

Tough Shot – Opposing team chooses which shot to play. Once a team member has putted out, the hole is complete.

Eligibility and Registration:

Eligibility for the Professional Division is by invitation only, based on a player’s finish at the 2007 USDGC.

Entries into the Amateur Division will be based on a lottery. Lottery tickets are available in the ZoneDriven Pro Shop.

There is no limit on entries into the lottery. All proceeds will be applied to the amateur payout.

For more information call 800.476.3968

[Joseph]

Fee nom it willl be good to see you again. You keeping that language at a minimum? Can't wait to see ya buddy!
PM me your number

[crusher]

Semi local lefty up for grabs here?

[KevinJohnson]

Made it in!!! Now it's time to pick a partner.... When and where do I register for this thing?

[stack]

good question... i never got an official email or anything. I think they assume you are in if you have been drawn and will be sending out an email about the $ and what not.

Kevin and Beano?

[dthrow]

I was one of the lottery winners and am wondering how long i have to sign up? I have not recieved or heard anything yet. Anyone with any information?

[tyson99duke]

Aug 31st.

Spoke to Harold last night, J Poole is busy getting stuff ready for worlds, but will have payment options posted soon.

[dthrow]

Thanks,

[jefferson]

Hey Rick -

I will confirm, but I would believe that we will be following the Competition Manual which seems to indicate that you are a professional if you are registered with the PDGA as a Pro (2.3.A.1) or if you are an amateur who has accepted cash while competing in a Pro division (2.4.B.2). These requirements would seem to need to be met up to the event.

Take care,
Harold


so.... if you have ever accepted ca$h in a Pro PDGA event you are not eligible?

[stack]

Hey Rick -

I will confirm, but I would believe that we will be following the Competition Manual which seems to indicate that you are a professional if you are registered with the PDGA as a Pro (2.3.A.1) or if you are an amateur who has accepted cash while competing in a Pro division (2.4.B.2). These requirements would seem to need to be met up to the event.

Take care,
Harold


so.... if you have accepted over $1,100 ca$h in Pro PDGA events you are not eligible?



edited for clarity ;)

seriously though... i'll try to find out specifics tonight when I see burro. It seems there are a few on the fence and i'm sure it'd be nice to know definitively

I do think you're safe though cause you took amNASTY right? If Polish is good to go then you should be too and I believe he's fine.

[rickb]

Not so sure Stack. I believe Bill also has said that no former pros will be allowed to play.

And both the Zonedriven and USDGC sites say no Pros regardless of current PDGA ranking. Plus the fact that this event is not PDGA sanctioned and is being held to a higher standard than the PDGA. The way I interput this is the PDGA amnesty clause will not be in effect for this event.

Guess one of those in charge will have to make the final call though just to clarify.

[phluffhead]

you'd think they would've had all this cleared up before they
1)announced the tournament
2) took money for the lottery
3) announced winners of the lottery

So if PP can't play are they going to have another drawing and give his money back. Hopefully this will be solved by next year. Looks like they jumped the gun on this one

[stack]

would suck but i dont think they would re-draw or have to give money back. the spots are transferable and anyone could've bought tickets for the spots. I could sell mine on ebay or give it away @ a charlotte club event if I wanted to.

if i had any question of if I was cleared or not I would've contacted the TDs before buying tickets... like Juff is trying to do now. Polish may have done this or not.

[OSTERTIP]

I won a spot!

Did not think I had any good luck......
I cant wait!

Any word on which layouts we will be playing at Honret's Nest, Renni (Gold?), and Winthrop (Gold?) ?

[phluffhead]

I'm just saying these details should've been announced in advanced. Just like Fred thinking he was in, he might have played Pro instead at the Clash. The AM side is more of a local dubs tourney (Triad too) then a US Championship but maybe next year.

Who are some of the Pro pairings because that's what this is all about anyway?

[stack]

I'm just saying these details should've been announced in advanced. Just like Fred thinking he was in, he might have played Pro instead at the Clash. The AM side is more of a local dubs tourney (Triad too) then a US Championship but maybe next year.

Who are some of the Pro pairings because that's what this is all about anyway?



PRO is where its at!!! :) Going to be some crazy groups!!!

and i think its more local bc of who bought the tickets... there are some out of towners WI, FL... but if we could see who bought tickets and how many (which would've been interesting/nice) then it probably would show that mostly local people bought tickets. Regardless I think we all agree on what you and others are saying BS. Will be cool to be playing but will be even sweeter to check out some of the pro craziness... i'm still holding my breath for someone trying something crazy like a parking lot roller on 888 ;)

Also will look forward to mine (and Richard Ronemus') doubles record @ Renny Orig. to be challenged (44... 22 front 22 back)... Not sure what Ho's Nest dubs record is.

and CONGRATS JAX!!! I thought I recognized that name! (and the layouts are renny/ho's nest original & winthrop USDGC style... ropes and all)

http://www.usdgc.com/06/10/usdubs

[rickb]

Depending on which pros will be in town, possible fantasy teams would have to include...
Climo & Schultz ..for the right money this makes the most sense
Feldberg & Jenkins
Leviska & Randolph
Lundmark & Kallstrom
Schweb & anyone
Rico & Doss

[OSTERTIP]

Thanks Stack!
I am stoked, it will be my first time on any of the courses. I may try to come up before the event and play a few rounds. But us Fla boys against all the locals will be tough. But I am up for anything!

What was the rule for Am partners, never cashed in Pro or a rating below a certain number?

Thanks,

[dthrow]

I just got off the phone with Bill and was told that I am fine to play AM. I am a PDGA registered Am, who took the amnesty a few years ago. ( now playing right where my rating puts me). I am glad thats cleared up. IF you are registered as a PRO you can not play am regardless of your player rating. Now, i just need to find a partner.

[Karma Police]

I saw your name on there Mike. Congrats!

[jefferson]

TThe Pro & jojohansen

[stack]

heard it was Schweb and someone much higher ranked than MJ!!

[jefferson]

word... wasnt a post of fact, but fun to watch

[rickb]

Schweb & anybody would be tough, Schweb & MJ would be a serious contender. Final pairings should be interesting.

As for the doubles record at Renny original. Spring of 2002 had Tony Fisher and Mike Warner shoot a 42 at Disclanding doubles. They went...
2-2-3-2-2-2-2-3-2=20 2-2-2-3-3-2-2-3-3=22
18 played to the location next to the top of the stairs.
8 played to the position at the top of the hill by the road.
We had the scorecard framed and it hung at the store.
2nd place was also on the same card. Dave Leamy and Wheetie shot a 44.

[ninafofitre]

There would be a huge line wanting Schwebbie as a dubs partner for sure, he has been playing some incredible golf this year, but if the line hasn't formed yet.... pick me Schwebb's I have a doubles resume if you need it... :D:D:D:D:D:D

[stack]

42... disgusting! when we shot our 44 I asked around for a while (mostly to the 'old guys' since they might know) and nobody knew of anything lower. Was the rest of the course pretty much the same other than 8 and 18?

any ideas on records @ ho's nest (could always ask the resident hippy i guess)

and thats the beauty of this event...the crazy matchups on the pro side. And i figured more pros would be lobbying to be partners like Peckham & Craig did on here. Even with 24 spots realistically I could see them easily getting into inviting the someone as low as 40th place between people pairing together @ the top and some pros not playing.

[bschweberger]

heard it was Schweb and someone much higher ranked than MJ!!

TTrue Statement

[bschweberger]

There would be a huge line wanting Schwebbie as a dubs partner for sure, he has been playing some incredible golf this year, but if the line hasn't formed yet.... pick me Schwebb's I have a doubles resume if you need it... :D:D:D:D:D:D

Sorry but somebody asked me several months ago, b4 TThe Clash

[stack]

I dont think they're officially letting pairings out early (unless TThe Pros wanna TTell) but it would be fun for something like this if no other reason...

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8660/scan0001mz6.jpg

[6735]

Congrats to the lottery winners!!!

Andrew Lawlor
Andrew Swistak (me)
Bryan Mentock
Cameron Shook
Christopher Brown
Craig Wesnofske
David Lane
Buddy Tritt
Gerald Sunkin
Jay Korybski
John Trapp
Joshua Lowe
Kevin Johnson
Michael Newhouse
Rick Black
Scott Osterhoudt
Tim Spurgeon
Tyson Harton

most likely the first and only time my name will be on the USDGC main page! :D

other captains (from what I can remember)
David Monteith
D Silver
Ron Gale
Doug Singleton
Dustin Griffith
Shan Trotter



ok but what happens if one of the Ams just cant get there is his place filled or just a open slot

[stack]

this i know for sure... the captain spots are transferable... if someone can't make it or doesnt want to play they can give, sell, auction off the captain spot.

what i'm unsure of is... i dont think someone can decline a captain spot but then say they want to play with someone else. I also dont think you can just not register and the captain spot wouldnt get filled. I think they would fill it in some way.

[OSTERTIP]

Stack, is there a list of the pro teams yet?
Or at least the captains?

[stack]

from what i understand they aren't publishing that ahead of time... they may put out a list of who all is playing but not let it be known who is playing with whom.

I think it would be great to know ahead of time (like i said earlier).

[bschweberger]

The teams will be announced on Aug 20th

[stack]

thanks Schweb

[KevinJohnson]

Well Stack, I can say that I WILL be playing in the event and not giving away the spot... but as for my partner? it won't be Beane, he's in Oregon and I'm now in Charleston. I won't say who, but there will be a pair of Chucktown boys coming to Charlotte ready to play!

[stack]

good stuff... Blaine would be a great partner to have! ;)

[stack]

PRO US DOUBLES TEAMS ANNOUNCED!!!!

http://www.flyingdiscmagazine.com/node/25

[jefferson]

nice.... ‘TTrim Son!’

[DSilver]

Ju think it's TTime to let the cat out of the bag?

[stack]

we've already been talking about you 2 for a while now on the cdgc discussion bard if that's what you're talking about.... team Real D!

[cwphish]

Save it til the day of. But remember Dee, if you take it out of the bag, you have to accept what it brings home with you! ;)

[DSilver]

TTrue Story. It beTTer bring me a beer!!

[DSilver]

Team REAL NaughTTy Son!!

[rickb]

Any word yet on where we are susposed to send the payments to?
I heard it would be announced after Worlds and we have less than 2 weeks before the deadline.

[tatersak]

Any word yet on where we are susposed to send the payments to?
I heard it would be announced after Worlds and we have less than 2 weeks before the deadline.



looks like zonedriven has it up on the website and you can register now under tournaments.

[DSilver]

You should receive a letter though the mail or e-mail from Bill Jacobson. We have until the 31st of Aug. to reg.

[cwphish]

Wesnofske/Wiggins Jr. paid in full!

[frisbeeguy]

The teams will be announced on Aug 20th


The masses are waiting! :confused:

[discmaster]

there have been some people calling or e-mailing zone driven asking how to get in this tournament. amateur spots were awarded by lottery or at the carolina clash. all spots are already filled & unless you made it one of those ways sorry you'll have to wait til next year.
pro side was by invitation only we have 14 teams confirmed, so if you think you are eligible please contact myself or billy crump(nature boy). we have not been having a lot of success getting a hold of some of the players who are eligible. if we can't reach them soon we will just pass them to next person.
biil jacobson aka burro

[tyson99duke]

Team TyBo...

Paid up.

Where is everyone staying, any good rates? We are looking for a hotel for Friday and Saturday.

Bringing the wives/caddies/eye-candy (to get lil wiggy off his game)!

[cwphish]

Team TyBo...

Paid up.

Where is everyone staying, any good rates? We are looking for a hotel for Friday and Saturday.

Bringing the wives/caddies/eye-candy (to get lil wiggy off his game)!



I am pretty sure you will not be able to "work" my partner that way, and it might actually work against you when they start asking you guys why you can't bomb like that! :D

[stack]

PARTNERS ARE UP!!! (some sick matchups... this will be fun to watch!!!)

Ken Climo - Steve Brinster
Dave Feldberg - Avery Jenkins
Steve Rico - Josh Anthon
Eric Mccabe - David Hemiline
Barry Schultz - Brian Schweberger
Cale Leviska - Geoff Bennett
Garrett Gurthy - John E. McCray
Kris Orrick - Will Schuster
Joey Mela - Stan McDaniel
Chris Sprague - Matt Peckham
Ken Franks - Valarie Jenkins

Captains w/ unconfirmed partners
Phillip Brathwaite
Justin Bunnell
Michael Johanson

[cwphish]

Let the cat out of the bag already Jo-Jo! :cool:

[bschweberger]

Am preTTy sjur it will Doss and JoJo

[bschweberger]

Our Team will prolly be Total BS

[MTL21676]

Barry and Schwebby

[stankee]

[QUOTE]
I'm just saying these details should've been announced in advanced. Just like Fred thinking he was in, he might have played Pro instead at the Clash. The AM side is more of a local dubs tourney (Triad too) then a US Championship but maybe next year.


Yeah, i got shafted big time by the person or persons in charge of running the Clash...from the insanely shabby payout for a "A" Tier "Supertour", to getting jacked of my spot in dubs...none of these rules were made up ahead of time, just making them up as you go?? whats up with that...??...just got the run around when asked why i lost my spot!!

[dthrow]

Wow! What a list of players. I can't wait to play this event. 3 great courses. SHould be a lot of fun. Will be signing up this week. Hope to bring the 1st US doubles AM title back to WI. IT will be tough though looking at how some of the NC players did at the worlds. Win or take last it will be a privilege to be there among most of the best players in the WOLRD!

[bschweberger]

Ken Climo - Steve Brinster ................ Sten Climster

Dave Feldberg - Avery Jenkins ............... Davery Feldkins

Steve Rico - Josh Anthon .............. Stosh Ricthon

Eric Mccabe - David Hemiline .............. Daveric Hemicabe

Barry Schultz - Brian Schweberger ............. Total BS

Cale Leviska - Geoff Bennett ............. Gale Benniska

Garrett Gurthy - John E. McCray ............. Jarrett E. McCurthie

Kris Orrick - Will Schuster ................. Kill Schorrick

Joey Mela - Stan McDaniel ............ Stoey McDela

Chris Sprague - Matt Peckham ............ Chatt Spragham

Ken Franks - Valarie Jenkins ............ Kalarie Frankins


Just a teaser

[rollinghedge]

It's Will Schusterick. Or Slick Willy. Or Shoestring.

[OSTERTIP]

Stack, I have emailed the contact and have gotten no response, do you have a name or email I can contact with questions.

Thanks,

[OSTERTIP]

After many rounds of golf and having to end in a thumb wrestling match, my partner has emerged!
I am stoked and can't wait to play in this inaugural event, and hope it becomes a yearly event!

Still no response to my questions I sent Bill.
????????

[cwphish]

Scott, you just got pm'd

[tyson99duke]

Good deal Scott, cant wait to put a face with the name buddy.

[cornhuskers9495]

Ken Climo - Steve Brinster ................ Sten Climster

Dave Feldberg - Avery Jenkins ............... Davery Feldkins

Steve Rico - Josh Anthon .............. Stosh Ricthon

Eric Mccabe - David Hemiline .............. Daveric Hemicabe

Barry Schultz - Brian Schweberger ............. Total BS

Cale Leviska - Geoff Bennett ............. Gale Benniska

Garrett Gurthy - John E. McCray ............. Jarrett E. McCurthie

Kris Orrick - Will Schuster ................. Kill Schorrick

Joey Mela - Stan McDaniel ............ Stoey McDela

Chris Sprague - Matt Peckham ............ Chatt Spragham

Ken Franks - Valarie Jenkins ............ Kalarie Frankins


Just a teaser



TanK - Valarie Jenkins

Tankarie Jenanks - pronounce it out loud with a Forrest gump "Accent"

Schwebby, you and your teasers... :D

[OSTERTIP]

No doubt Tyson, looking forward to it!

Peace,
Q

[cwphish]

Alright music fans, if you are coming to US Dubs or the USDGC, this is what Charlotte has ready for you!

9/24 - O.A.R
9/26 - Outformation
9/27 - The Mantras
9/27, 10/1, 10/2 - Simplified
10/2 - YONDER MOUNTAIN STRING BAND

And to close things out on the final day of USDGC...........

10/4 - PHIL LESH & PHRIENDS and THE ALLMAN BROTHERS!!!!!!!!

[cwphish]

Plus The Philosophers Stone (best hippie bar in charlotte) has agreed to have their funky house band (I compare them to Earth Wind and Fire blazing with George Clinton)play Thursday thru Saturday during Dubs weekend. Great beer and food, plus pool, cornhole, pong, and Wi on the bigscreen.

[jefferson]

hope i can make the 2nd round... (http://www.charlotteoktoberfest.com/)

[cwphish]

Don't even worry about it Juff, take D with you. Just have a good time and when it's over, walk about a quarter mile straight up the street to The Philosophers Stone for the after party and music!

[tyson99duke]

1st Annual US Doubles Cornhole Championships @ Philosophers Stone, Sat, Sept 27th.

Which Pros can hang with us AMs? 20' Stradle all day.

[bschweberger]

:o:eek:

[ninafofitre]

Ken Climo - Steve Brinster ................ Sten Climster

Dave Feldberg - Avery Jenkins ............... Davery Feldkins

Steve Rico - Josh Anthon .............. Stosh Ricthon

Eric Mccabe - David Hemiline .............. Daveric Hemicabe

Barry Schultz - Brian Schweberger ............. Total BS

Cale Leviska - Geoff Bennett ............. Gale Benniska

Garrett Gurthy - John E. McCray ............. Jarrett E. McCurthie

Kris Orrick - Will Schuster ................. Kill Schorrick

Joey Mela - Stan McDaniel ............ Stoey McDela

Chris Sprague - Matt Peckham ............ Chatt Spragham

Ken Franks - Valarie Jenkins ............ Kalarie Frankins


Just a teaser



CODA if your interested in WHOOPIN all of them HOLLA!!!! :D The shoulder is finally healed and the game is getting very close to my 2005 form

[cwphish]

1st Annual US Doubles Cornhole Championships @ Philosophers Stone, Sat, Sept 27th.

Which Pros can hang with us AMs? 20' Stradle all day.



That's what I am talking about! Schwebsicles, you want some of that! FYI, I have been practicing one handed, with a full 32oz Gaelic!

[bschweberger]

I can HANG, with anybody !!!!!!

[jefferson]

TTru

[DSilver]

sTTory

[spartan]

this is the strangest tourney ever.

[cwphish]

Que?

[spartan]

well, i am only halfway through the entire thread. Ill let u know when i am finished. ;)

Ps. Is VJenkins the only female playing in this event?

[cwphish]

Nope, Andrew Lawlor too! :o

[OSTERTIP]

Nope, Andrew Lawlor too! :o



That is dirty....
but hella funny.....

[alawlor16]

You are a pretty funny guy Wesnofske..

[cwphish]

Straw me!

[cwphish]

BTW Scott, we have a thing in Charlotte where whoever shoots the worst round has to drink their beer through a straw for the players party!

[phluffhead]

Only sissies drink through straws

[jefferson]

get em out while you can

[cwphish]

C Ya in three weeks buddy, sorry "The great MOD-Oz" doesn't understand good humor!

[OSTERTIP]

No worries, trust me I have not used I straw since I was ordering Happy Meals.....

But I am up for any punishment I earn....

In Florida we have the "Hammer of Woe", I have not earned it yet, but I am sure my day will come.....

[jefferson]

in the 2nd round, 6-6-6, arent teams ending on the back nine at hornets at a bigger disadvantage with worst shot (disc)?

[stack]

good Q juff... i thought we were doing tee times but if not you are right

[phluffhead]

yo genius. it's not where you start. 1-6 7-12 13-18 is prob how they group it so all groups are playing the same format on holes

[cwphish]

What are we going to do with these youngsters that don't think things through thoroughly. Sheesh.

[stack]

play pro so you dont have to deal with us ;) (or just wait a few years till you can play advanced masters)

[phluffhead]

that's my plan after this year. See ya in 4 as an Adv master

[tyson99duke]

in the 2nd round, 6-6-6, arent teams ending on the back nine at hornets at a bigger disadvantage with worst shot (disc)?



Round Two: Saturday, September 28
Shotgun Start : Follows Lunch
Course: Renaissance Park Original
Format: Best Disc (1-6) > Captain’s Choice (7-12) > Tough Shot (13-18)

[cwphish]

play pro so you dont have to deal with us ;) (or just wait a few years till you can play advanced masters)



2012! Where are Worlds going to be that year?

[stack]

:)

[cwphish]

Weak response dude, just want to know where to plan for and if I can drive to it! ;)

[stack]

I'll be there... but i'm also trying to make it to KC next year and possible rochester (since I have fam in the area)

would like to think i'd be good enough for pro world by 2012 though... unfort i'll still be 6-7 years short of 40 so no masters for me unless I can talk to the Chinese gov't to doctor up my stuff like they did for those gymnast girls.

[cwphish]

So where is 2012 worlds! :mad:

[stack]

right between 2011 and 2013

(i was a political science/pre-law major ... i can dodge questions with the best of em! ;) )

[cwphish]

So what you are saying is that despite having knowledge of what city will be hosting it, you are CHOOSING to not state it in a public forum.

(Therapist - I can reflect back at you like the best of em! :D)

[stack]

and I work in IT... notice the PDGA site being down for a while after you typed that?! (ok... so i had nothing to do with that... something just sucks on their end).

[keithjohnson]

So what you are saying is that despite having knowledge of what city will be hosting it, you are CHOOSING to not state it in a public forum.

(Therapist - I can reflect back at you like the best of em! :D)



What he's really saying is that he CAN'T say anything publically until after the summit next week when it probably FORMALLY gets approved. ;)

[cgkdisc]

Unless policy has changed, no venue gets approved more than 3 years in advance any more and formal bidding is at the next spring summit.

[stack]

So what you are saying is that despite having knowledge of what city will be hosting it, you are CHOOSING to not state it in a public forum.

(Therapist - I can reflect back at you like the best of em! :D)



What he's really saying is that he CAN'T say anything publically until after the summit next week when it probably FORMALLY gets approved. ;)



'i can neither confirm nor deny that allegation" LOL ;)

besides... like chuck said nobody really knows anything.


but Polish does know who MJs partner is for dubs... spill it Polish!!!

[jefferson]

in the 2nd round, 6-6-6, arent teams ending on the back nine at hornets at a bigger disadvantage with worst shot (disc)?



Round Two: Saturday, September 28
Shotgun Start : Follows Lunch
Course: Renaissance Park Original
Format: Best Disc (1-6) > Captain’s Choice (7-12) > Tough Shot (13-18)


Note: Amateurs play first round at Renaissance, second round at Hornet’s Nest

[stack]

not a big fan of the captains choice holes... almost all deuce holes under normal play and with captain's choice will only reinforce that... tough shot really will be tough on the holes picked though and best disc on the first 6 should have some separation between the teams with some shots where people go off into the woods or ob.

[DSilver]

What's par on the nest org.? I've only played the web's 70

[stack]

i believe 57/58... holes 7, 16, are def. 4s and i think 12 is counted as a 4... possibly 5

should be on our website but i'm too lazy to look.

www.charlottedgc.com (http://www.charlottedgc.com)

i think the SSA is usually around 52-53 (that was before the changes made a year or so ago but i think its still about the same)

[MTL21676]

i believe 57/58... holes 7, 16, are def. 4s and i think 12 is counted as a 4... possibly 5





12 is a 5.

[bschweberger]

top side again.

[keithjohnson]

Unless policy has changed, no venue gets approved more than 3 years in advance any more and formal bidding is at the next spring summit.



Probably why I used Probably, because having NOT bid for an Event since 1998, I wasn't positive how they still did it. :D

[OSTERTIP]

US Doubles in this thread......

[keithjohnson]

US Doubles in this thread......



It's the Carolina boys that brought up Charlotte hosting the worlds in 2012, not me Mr. Florida. :D

[OSTERTIP]

KJ, I never said you started it, as I greatly appreciate the Mr. Florida, but it's Sir Florida....

j/k
haha

[keithjohnson]

KJ, I never said you started it, as I greatly appreciate the Mr. Florida, but it's Sir Florida....

j/k
haha



Sorry Sir Florida!

Great job on the Jville Event earlier this year, hopefully it won't be on a conflicting date for me next year so I can come down and play in it.

Keith

[stack]

KJ, I never said you started it, as I greatly appreciate the Mr. Florida, but it's Sir Florida....

j/k
haha



Sorry Sir Florida!

Great job on the Jville Event earlier this year, hopefully it won't be on a conflicting date for me next year so I can come down and play in it.

Keith




US Doubles in this thread...... Bubba Georgia ;) (figured Sir/Mr didnt quite fit)

and nobody said anything about Charlotte. Polish was just hinting around about things.

back to doubles...

CAN'T WAIT! Can't wait to play, can't wait to watch some of the Pro matchups, can't wait to be on the competitor side of the ropes (hopefully most of the time) @ winthrop.

GOOD STUFF!!!!

[keithjohnson]

KJ, I never said you started it, as I greatly appreciate the Mr. Florida, but it's Sir Florida....

j/k
haha



Sorry Sir Florida!

Great job on the Jville Event earlier this year, hopefully it won't be on a conflicting date for me next year so I can come down and play in it.

Keith




US Doubles in this thread...... Bubba Georgia ;) (figured Sir/Mr didnt quite fit)

and nobody said anything about Charlotte. Polish was just hinting around about things.

back to doubles...

CAN'T WAIT! Can't wait to play, can't wait to watch some of the Pro matchups, can't wait to be on the competitor side of the ropes (hopefully most of the time) @ winthrop.

GOOD STUFF!!!!



OK.. How about this, The US doubles are near a city which will Probably be hosting the Worlds in 2012... does that tie it together better for you? :D

[OSTERTIP]

Perfect!!!!!