Union Strikes at Hudson Mills - November 10

[scottcwhite]

http://local101dg.com/media/flyer79.jpg

Local 101 Disc Golf Players Union Presents:
Union Strikes at Hudson Mills
Hudson Mills - November 10th, 2007
Unsanctioned
Registration: 8-9am
Tee Off: 9:30
2 rounds of 18 at Monster and Original
$250 added to Open Division
$20 added to Open Women for every FPO player registered.

Pro and AM1: $30
All other divisions: $20

Lunch: we'll be taking lunch orders during morning registration. B-Line Restaurant will be providing lunch for an extra fee.

We're getting ghost stamped D-Challengers and D-Buzzzes for the AM players packs. The stamp is basically the graphic shown above ^^^

*Note: This tournament was originally scheduled for Cass Benton, but we decided to strike there and move it to Hudson Mills. Next year it will probably be somewhere else, depending on our mood.

More Info
http://local101dg.com/tournaments.php?tournID=79

[brookep]

Will the winner get %100 PURE maple as payout? :D:D

[tacimala]

Boo on the date!

[jHarr]

that'll be some tough puttin without the chains...
dang strike!

[rob9128]

You just have to place your approach so you're putting at the flat sides of the sign and not the edge.

[romine]

I'm wondering if someone who isn't playing would like to video tape The Strikes Tourney with my video camera. Im either playing or taping . Call or email me jjromine@gmail.com

[SarahD]

With the extra $20 Added Cash to the Pro Ladies, we will be able to afford our own 100% pure maple syrup and won't be susceptible to false tricksters and false advertising for $5 corn syrup.

THANK YOU, 101, FOR ALWAYS THINKING OF THE LADIES! See you at the Mills.

[NewDude]

I would like to donate one 18 ounce can of pure, Canadian maple syrup to the Women's Open Division. This was imported by me from the lovely province of Quebec. This will surely sweeten the prize for the number one woman.

[scottcwhite]

Grade A or B? Either way thanks John, you have a great way of cutting through all of the malarky and getting to the crux of issues. In this case that issue is the enjoyment of really really good syrup.

I also just want to add that the "Unfair Disc Golf Practices" on the tourney flyer is no way a reference to any of Hudson Mills' policies. We support the 2008 pay-to-play policy. It is just a general statement to work in concert with the "Union Striking" theme of the event.

[Roosta]

I also just want to add that the "Unfair Disc Golf Practices" on the tourney flyer is no way a reference to any of Hudson Mills' policies. We support the 2008 pay-to-play policy. It is just a general statement to work in concert with the "Union Striking" theme of the event.



so your not going to let ignce play as that would be unfair to let him play an event he might have a chance at cashing in.

[scottcwhite]

I would like to donate one 18 ounce can of pure, Canadian maple syrup to the Women's Open Division. This was imported by me from the lovely province of Quebec. This will surely sweeten the prize for the number one woman.



John Davis has stepped up with a great donation!

So I would like to get 100% pure maple for the remaining divisions. Please post here for donations or email me at pres@local101dg.com No Butterworths, only Grade A or B please. Yes Brooke, ask and ye shall receive!

We also have a new thing with the website where you can register and post pictures and comment on other pictures. If you have time then go ahead and create an account. I put a bunch of old graphics and flyers from previous tournaments under 'General Disc Golf Stuff' I also added pictures for Rolling Hills, Hudson Mills Monster and Cass Benton.

http://www.local101dg.com

[SarahD]

I would like to donate one 18 ounce can of pure, Canadian maple syrup to the Women's Open Division. This was imported by me from the lovely province of Quebec. This will surely sweeten the prize for the number one woman.



John Davis, you are the coolest disc golfer ever!!! Especially since I've upped my pancakes to a whole new level by substituting 100% PURE buttermilk for regular old milk in the mix. You all wouldn't be scoffing at my love for maple syrup if you'd ever had my buttermilk pancakes, resplendent with freshly ground cinnamon, honey, pommegranate seeds, bananas, strawberries, blueberries, rasberries, pecans, real butter and of course: 100% pure maple syrup (I WANT that Quebec import - lucky for me all the other Michigan girls seem to be into cross-stitching and weekend movies on USA instead of disc golf, so I'll probably win another division of one).

[brookep]

I don't think anyone has a problem with your idealistic view and love of maple syrup. My problem is your attack mode.
I did a little research on maple syrup and it seems the real prize should be the Vermont Fancy grade of syrup.

Fancy syrup for fancy people :)

[brookep]

I have an Idea. I run the Chills Charity disc auction. I would love for someone to donate a bottle of 100% maple for the auction. All proceeds from the auction go directly to Food Gatherers and it would create a great draw for the auction. I have been known to bid on items myself and would love to get into a bidding war with someone to raise money.

So everyone start saving you $ you will need it to out bid me :cool::cool:

[NewDude]

my buttermilk pancakes, resplendent with freshly ground cinnamon, honey, pommegranate seeds, bananas, strawberries, blueberries, rasberries, pecans, real butter and of course: 100% pure maple syrup



Your pancakes sound AWESOME.

[jHarr]

http://www.blacksheepsugarhouse.com/images/maple_products.jpg
Maple Syrup 101

Ever wonder how all that tasty syrup is made? Here's a quick primer:

Vermont Maple Syrup is classified according to color and taste, both of which may vary depending on the sugar content of the sap, how quickly and at what point in the season it is collected and boiled, and the rate of evaporation in the sugarhouse. The delicate flavor of the syrup is largely dependent on chemical changes within the trees, caused by varying temperatures during the sugaring season.

The lighter grades of syrup are usually produced earlier in the season when the temperatures are colder, with the darker grades coming later in the harvest. The sugaring season can start as early as late February and might continue through mid-April. Much depends upon the weather for the length of sap "runs" and the quality of sugar content.

Vermont Fancy: A definite gourmet choice, "Fancy" syrup is light amber in color, and has a delicate maple bouquet. It is excellent on ice cream and other foods that allow its subtle flavor to be enhanced and appreciated.

Vermont Grade A Medium Amber: A darker amber in color than "Fancy," and with a distinct maple bouquet and a pronounced maple flavor, "Medium Amber" is the most popular grade.

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[SarahD]

So Brooke, your perception is that women attack and men talk smack? What's the difference?

[brookep]

I guess the difference is your accusing the employees at Hudson Mills of a pre-meditated plot to delude the public as to the authenticity of their maple syrup. I highly doubt the people at the park realize you are talking smack. It seems as though you are on the chip.

Now it's a gender war?? I would have responded exactly the same regardless of the physical anatomy of the grudge holder.

[SarahD]

I guess the difference is your accusing the employees at Hudson Mills of a pre-meditated plot to delude the public as to the authenticity of their maple syrup. I highly doubt the people at the park realize you are talking smack. It seems as though you are on the chip.



So how do you think it went down behind the scenes at the Hudson Mills Maple Syrup Meetings? That they said, "Yes, we will in good faith provide all customers with 100% pure maple syrup just like we advertise" but then the maple syrup fairy came along in the middle of the night and magically changed all bottles to 2% maple syrup and 98% corn syrup?

Or rather, is this not a more reasonable scenerio: "Well, we've got some 100% pure maple syrup here, so we'll give it to the employees to take home. None of those fools out there know the difference between maple syrup and corn syrup - and they probably don't care anyway - so we can charge full price, serve the garbage corn syrup and make a tidy profit for ourselves. Brilliant!" Premeditation.

Then they are upset when someone like me who appreciates quality and purity comes along, someone who refuses to be tricked and lied to, and says, "How can you do this with a clean conscious? Give me what I paid for!"

Their reply: "I'm sorry you feel that way."

No refund.

No apology.

No accountability.

Isn't this a microcosm of what is wrong with the way many companies do business in the world today?

[z Vaughn z]

Sarah,

You are arguing about....syrup.

Save your keystrokes for lashing wooj or something.

[SarahD]

NoWojShow has never personally wronged me, so why would I join the lynch mob?

And I'm not argueing about syrup; it's about business ethics and shady decisions and practices. In fact, the more I think about HM's motivation, the more I've begun to rethink this whole pay-to-play decision:

In a nation filled with fattty boombalaties and poor people, why would a park create a new policy that charges people more money to get exercise? I would assume that the motivation of a park's system would want kids and everyone else to be getting more walking time, exposure to healthy sunshine and a sense of pride in getting better at a sport. Instead, just with the syrup issue, HM is proving they are motivated by mo' money.

[janttila]

In a nation filled with fattty boombalaties and poor people, why would a park create a new policy that charges people more money to get exercise?



I was playing in a group of 10 yesterday and started to realize that everyone there would be purchasing a $50 pass. That was a quick $500 of revenue for the park. The policy has already worked; Do you think the park will lose 25 park pass purchasing golfers? That's the only way it doesn't work. I'm for the pay to play if: the new revenue stays at HM, the revenue is kicked back into the course and we see improvements, monitoring of the course is focused on keeping freeloaders off. I don't want to pay $50 extra and watch people playing for free. Expecially, if they are "vandalizing causal players" who will not purchase a pass regardless.

[rob9128]

While you may wish that the Metropark system was part of some fine utopian society, their primary motivation is to stay in business. I'm sure, as a business owner, you can relate to this. People are free to get as much exercise and sunshine as they like in the parks with only an annual or day pass. To be honest, you can do both of those things without bothering to go to a park.

The parks are not rolling in dough. Maintaining the places, salaries, benefits, insurance, etc. all cost money in this country. Its not unreasonable to expect them to attempt to recoup money from people that use a sizeable chunk of park property, much akin to what they do with the ball golfers.
Pay to play has a primary goal of producing some revenue, but reduction of vandalism played a part in the decision as well. All in all they provide a pretty nice product.

[terrycalhoun]

You 101 guys surely could come up with something to beat this, eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB6qwmSwVMY

[rob9128]

Grows a little tiresome, but you gotta give 'em credit for finding a chick who can play guitar with one and sometimes no hands without missing a beat.

[terrycalhoun]

Ha. Agreed. Someone local here could do better!

I think I may have posted in the wrong thread, but there it is :)

[ChrisWoj]

In a nation filled with fattty boombalaties and poor people, why would a park create a new policy that charges people more money to get exercise?



I was playing in a group of 10 yesterday and started to realize that everyone there would be purchasing a $50 pass. That was a quick $500 of revenue for the park. The policy has already worked; Do you think the park will lose 25 park pass purchasing golfers? That's the only way it doesn't work. I'm for the pay to play if: the new revenue stays at HM, the revenue is kicked back into the course and we see improvements, monitoring of the course is focused on keeping freeloaders off. I don't want to pay $50 extra and watch people playing for free. Expecially, if they are "vandalizing causal players" who will not purchase a pass regardless.


If it is $2.00 per round they won't be losing a majority of the Toledo area guys I've talked to in terms of parking pass. We'll still be willing to pay the $20.00 parking pass, as it is still a cheaper alternative to $4.00 per trip. We'll purchase that and then spend the $2.00 for a day pass every time we go... I think I've been to HM about ten-fifteen times this year. So they won't be losing a lot of parking pass people, and will be making at least that $2.00 per on most less-than-regulars.

[cbdiscpimp]

NoWojShow has never personally wronged me, so why would I join the lynch mob?

And I'm not argueing about syrup; it's about business ethics and shady decisions and practices. In fact, the more I think about HM's motivation, the more I've begun to rethink this whole pay-to-play decision:

In a nation filled with fattty boombalaties and poor people, why would a park create a new policy that charges people more money to get exercise? I would assume that the motivation of a park's system would want kids and everyone else to be getting more walking time, exposure to healthy sunshine and a sense of pride in getting better at a sport. Instead, just with the syrup issue, HM is proving they are motivated by mo' money.



So now its the parks job to coddle and cater to fat lazy people by giving them a place to walk and play a sport for free??? What a joke that is.........Those fat people wouldnt be fat if they exercised in the first place.........Which obviously they dont which is why they are fat..........So why would a park offer something for free that people arent going to do anyway??? Might as well charge the people who really WANT to PLAY and get better and get rid of all the people who just want a place to get drunk and vandalize and litter!!! Im all for the 50 a year pass and heck if it kicks the casuals out im up for making at MORE as long as the course is patrolled and there truely are no NON paying players on the course.........Id be interested in knowing what the punishment is if your caught playing on the course without paying.........because if its just the 2 dollars it would have cost anyway that is not going to stop people from saying F THAT ill deal with it if I get caught. I would hope it more of a your banned from the park or the disc golf course for a YEAR if your caught playing without paying. The future of the sport is on pay to play courses........That way all the casuals pad the payout by playing all those days leading up to an event and they also contribute to the course being kept up and all the others things that go into having an amazing disc golf complexe..........Which is better than them just playing and littering and ruining the course and the Tournament Golfers Image...........Heck I wish ALL the good courses were pay to play............And who knows if this works maybe we CAN get the Toboggan in year round!!! :D:D:D

[cbdiscpimp]

OH and one more thing SuccuBUZZZ................Massages are good for peoples health and well being why dont you start doing those for free??? I mean dont you want people to be healthy and happy??? If HM should be concerned about other peoples well being then so should you!!! How about free massages for everyone who buys a Yearly Disc Golf pass at Hudson Mills??? That way our muscles dont get all messed up by how much golf we will be able to play since there will be so many less casuals clogging the course!!!

[cyferban]

Steve (i don't know you) but i hear a lot of the people who seem to be in favor of the pay to play saying its a great idea (the $50 annual i mean) but i also know a lot of those people who have enough trouble finding money to play in tournaments where are they going to find the $50 to pay for the annual pass in the first place?
Now lets think of the more than casual AM like myself, with 3 disc golfers in house and i am supposed to pay $150 for all of us to play HM? or what about all the AM's who are A3 members who won't be able to afford to play at HM because of the fees.
Don't get me wrong i don't have a problem with pay to play in principal the $2 a day is fine but $50 a year is to much for my family and will be for alot of AM's as well.
I know HM and some people seem to think that this will reduce vandalism but i think the reverse will be true, in the beginning in particular, more people are going to pay the fee and be mad about it. Yes I definately think this will reduce traffic on the courses at HM.
There is a potential consequence of all you seemingly deep pocketed disc golfers, if the AM's don't play in tournaments the PRO's won't either. By this i mean AM entry fees support the PRO's payouts in some events. So while you are offering your thoughts about pay to play at HM think of the consequences to you as a PRO!
Think of all the money A3 has put into HM, if we can't run a league there what will happen to all those funds? Maybe you don't care about all that money A3 has put into the park but what happens if that drys up?
I would like to suggest to all of you to think of other people, not just yourselves and what will happen to the jewel if nobody is there to shine it. because nobody is willing to pay for it.

[Mark_Stephens]

Well, HOPEFULLY, people's $50 is going to be going into that course so that A3 will not have to bear that burden...

I do agree that $50/person can be steep for a family and hopefully something could be worked out on that front.

[ChrisWoj]

Bill - You say the 2$ per day is fine... then why not go for that? It only makes sense to pay the 50 if you're going to be there more than 25 times over the course of the year.

[tbender]

Just wandering through...

$50 per year = $0.14 per day

It's not as much as people think.


If you're struggling to find that, disc golf should be dropped on the priority list.

[Mark_Stephens]

That may be but, a family of 4 would be $200 plus $40 for park stickers.

That is no small sum to some people with the great economic hub known as Michigan.

[SarahD]

Yes, I am a business owner and operate my business with both my own and my clients' interests in mind. As such, the base price of my massage is the same for everybody, every service, just like the base price for entry fee to the park. What HM wants to do is what fancy, marble-floored spas do: They offer a relaxation massage (read: light and fluffy, good for old ladies) for a base price, then if you want deep tissue massage (read: injury healing, body structure improvement), then they charge an extra $30, which can make the cost of your massage over $100 an hour. People think you have to go to spas for massage and when they see the sticker price for the type of massage they want, they DON'T GET MASSAGES because it's too expensive.

No matter if my clients want relaxation, therapeutic or a combo of both it's all the same price at Ivy G. I make my extra $$ by selling Backnobbers and doing educational classes. This is what responsible business owners do to increase their profit, not charge a bunch extra for something people should already get for a reasonable base cost. So why doesn't HM sell T-shirts with their logo or baskets or something else to increase their profit? There are a million things you can do.

So don't tell me what is good and bad business practices. I LOVE all my clients because they are the people who pay for my maple syrup and would never dream of ripping them off.

And if you all think you're paying for course improvements, THINK: New golf cart, gas for the cart every day, new security guard's salary, more fines for peeing in the woods, cost of printing yearly passes, cost of procurring plastic wristbands, costs of marketing new PTP policy....how much leftover does that leave?

[janttila]

Back to your regular scheduled thread:

Local 101 Disc Golf Players Union Presents:
Union Strikes at Hudson Mills
Hudson Mills - November 10th, 2007
Unsanctioned
Registration: 8-9am
Tee Off: 9:30
2 rounds of 18 at Monster and Original
$250 added to Open Division
$20 added to Open Women for every FPO player registered.

Pro and AM1: $30
All other divisions: $20

Lunch: we'll be taking lunch orders during morning registration. B-Line Restaurant will be providing lunch for an extra fee.

We're getting ghost stamped D-Challengers and D-Buzzzes for the AM players packs. The stamp is basically the graphic shown above ^^^

*Note: This tournament was originally scheduled for Cass Benton, but we decided to strike there and move it to Hudson Mills. Next year it will probably be somewhere else, depending on our mood.

More Info
http://local101dg.com/tournaments.php?tournID=79

[rob9128]

No matter if my clients want relaxation, therapeutic or a combo of both it's all the same price at Ivy G. I make my extra $$ by selling Backnobbers and doing educational classes.



Hey there,

I have no problem with your business practices, my friend. Using your example though, I might suggest that park entrance is like your massage. You can walk in the park. You can run until you drop in the park. You can get drunk and pass out in the park... all for the same fee.

A round of disc golf can just as easily be justified as an extra as can a backnobber or an educational class, no? The fee for this extra does not seem as unreasonable as you imply. Less than four red chips per week.

[janttila]

Who's all coming out to 101 Strikes at the Mills?

[grizzlyd]

I'll be there!...to donate to Am1

[BobbysGurl69]

Steve (i don't know you) but i hear a lot of the people who seem to be in favor of the pay to play saying its a great idea (the $50 annual i mean) but i also know a lot of those people who have enough trouble finding money to play in tournaments where are they going to find the $50 to pay for the annual pass in the first place?
Now lets think of the more than casual AM like myself, with 3 disc golfers in house and i am supposed to pay $150 for all of us to play HM? or what about all the AM's who are A3 members who won't be able to afford to play at HM because of the fees.
Don't get me wrong i don't have a problem with pay to play in principal the $2 a day is fine but $50 a year is to much for my family and will be for alot of AM's as well.
I know HM and some people seem to think that this will reduce vandalism but i think the reverse will be true, in the beginning in particular, more people are going to pay the fee and be mad about it. Yes I definately think this will reduce traffic on the courses at HM.
There is a potential consequence of all you seemingly deep pocketed disc golfers, if the AM's don't play in tournaments the PRO's won't either. By this i mean AM entry fees support the PRO's payouts in some events. So while you are offering your thoughts about pay to play at HM think of the consequences to you as a PRO!
Think of all the money A3 has put into HM, if we can't run a league there what will happen to all those funds? Maybe you don't care about all that money A3 has put into the park but what happens if that drys up?
I would like to suggest to all of you to think of other people, not just yourselves and what will happen to the jewel if nobody is there to shine it. because nobody is willing to pay for it.


I don't want to sound like I'm just adding my two cents just because he's my dad, but he does have a point.I bought the stickers last year for my parents for christmas.Great Super. But, this next year correct me if I'm wrong, but the price might go up $5. Most people who play disc golf those select few who are out there and play in the winter and don't wait for league to start.It may seem worth the cost and that's just what I thought.But unlike most of you. I have to factor in paying 340 for car insurance, my cell phone bill,college tuition and money for a new car.What's left of my paycheck is mine and it's a very small amount.I myself couldn't afford the cost.That's close to half of my paycheck even if I'm only working part-time.I think its nuts to pay $50 and then another $25 for league and $10 for a bag tag next year and then try to cough up money to play in tournaments.I love to play disc golf it's the best dang sport I've ever played.But, I just can't afford it and if we only get one sticker for one car then I won't be able to go out and play whenever I want to.It's true the PRO purse will drop to a small amount if the AM's can't come out and play because of the outragious prices.Gladly, not all PRO's think the same way. Some do think of others and would understand the problem at hand.
That is all I have to say now. Good-bye.
Nikki
Ps. Get over the syrup issue sarah.It was almost a year ago.Don't like the syrup, then don't eat the pancakes.Or just don't come.Problem solved. :eek:

[janttila]

REDIRECTION:

I'll look forward to seeing ya out on Saturday Dave. I think the Bline will be selling lunches in the morning too. I'll definitely bee heading there after the tourney as well. Winter White is now on tap at the Line, I encourage all to stop in for a drink. So, who else is coming out to Strikes at the Mills? Who wants to have drinks afterwards? Don't bee SHY!

[scottcwhite]

New 101 Mini-Ultrastar stamp:
http://www.local101dg.com/media/250.jpg

First one to name artist and song title gets a free one:


I work for the union 'cause she's so good to me
And I'm bound to come out on top that's where I should be
I will hear ev'ry word the boss may say
For he's the one who hands me down my pay
Looks like this time I'm gonna get to stay
I'm a union man, now, all the way

The smell of the leaves
From the magnolia trees in the meadow
King Harvest has surely come

Dry summer, then comes fall
Which I depend on most of all
Hey, rainmaker, can't you hear my call?
Please let these crops grow tall
Long enough I've been up on Skid Row
And it's plain to see, I've nothin to show
I'm glad to pay those union dues
Just don't judge me by my shoes

Scarecrow and a yellow moon
And pretty soon a carnival on the edge of town
King Harvest has surely come

Last year, this time, wasn't no joke
My whole barn went up in smoke
My horse Jethro, well he went mad
And I can't remember things bein' so bad
Then there comes a man with a paper and a pen
Tellin' us our hard times are about to end
And then, if they don't give us what we like
He said, "Men, that's when you gotta go on strike"

[tacimala]

J.R. Robertson
King Harvest (Has Surely Come)

[Roosta]

the band - king harvest

[Roosta]

stupid DSL!!!!!!

[NewDude]

Hey Joe,

I'm coming out on Saturday, and I may be up for a pint or two of Winter White after the Strike.

Peace!

[cbdiscpimp]

Steve (i don't know you) but i hear a lot of the people who seem to be in favor of the pay to play saying its a great idea (the $50 annual i mean) but i also know a lot of those people who have enough trouble finding money to play in tournaments where are they going to find the $50 to pay for the annual pass in the first place? <font color="orange"> Not to sound harsh but maybe those people should not be playing tournaments in the 1st place!!! I know that sometimes I dont have the money to play.......you know what I do??? I dont play........Yes disc golf is pretty much #1 in my life but if I dont have the money to play because of my other bills and real life responsibilies I suck it up and I dont play a tournament or two or sometimes 3.......Thats just life.......If you cant afford it you cant afford it.......Its sucks but its the truth. </font>
Now lets think of the more than casual AM like myself, with 3 disc golfers in house and i am supposed to pay $150 for all of us to play HM? or what about all the AM's who are A3 members who won't be able to afford to play at HM because of the fees.
Don't get me wrong i don't have a problem with pay to play in principal the $2 a day is fine but $50 a year is to much for my family and will be for alot of AM's as well. <font color="orange"> Once again im not being a jerk but 150 dollars for a year of golf at HM is not that much........But I see where you are coming from on the family part and Hopefully they can work something out where you might be able to buy a family pass but who knows........Again 150 bucks isnt that much......Im sure you have 10 Premium plastic discs laying around your house........Sell those and your paid for.......Thats another thing I do when im short on cash.......I sell my plastic for 10 bucks a piece </font>
I know HM and some people seem to think that this will reduce vandalism but i think the reverse will be true, in the beginning in particular, more people are going to pay the fee and be mad about it. Yes I definately think this will reduce traffic on the courses at HM.
There is a potential consequence of all you seemingly deep pocketed disc golfers, if the AM's don't play in tournaments the PRO's won't either. <font color="orange"> This is simply not true........Look at all the pro only events across the country.....They dont have any trouble attracting players and to be honest most pro would rather have PRO only events. </font> By this i mean AM entry fees support the PRO's payouts in some events. <font color="orange"> Id love to know which events those are so I can go and take advantage of that!!! Seems to me the AMs get all their entry fee and MORE back at tournaments nowadays </font> So while you are offering your thoughts about pay to play at HM think of the consequences to you as a PRO! <font color="orange"> In my eyes there will not be any consequences for me as a PRO </font>
Think of all the money A3 has put into HM, if we can't run a league there what will happen to all those funds? Maybe you don't care about all that money A3 has put into the park but what happens if that drys up? <font color="orange"> They will use the money they make from the 50 a year and 2 dollar a day players </font>
I would like to suggest to all of you to think of other people, not just yourselves and what will happen to the jewel if nobody is there to shine it. <font color="orange"> With the extra money brought in from the yearly and daily passes hopefully HM will do this shining you speak of but we shall see </font> because nobody is willing to pay for it. <font color="orange"> Trust me there are plenty of people who are willing to pay and maybe all those A3 members will opt to be yearly pass holders instead of A3 members but who knows.</font>



Again im not trying to be harsh or rude or condesending in any way this is just how I view it and how I feel.......Feel free to respond in anyway you see fit

[ChrisWoj]

Just to respond to one smaller point: In terms of whether or not ams are necessary: They are. In order to make it worth a TD's while you need to have ams so they can at least move plastic. With a Pro-Only event the TD has very very little opportunity to make any money to compensate his time, and if he chooses to reward himself even to the tune of 5 bucks an hour (far less than minimum wage) he's probably going to get blasted. So running an event with Ams is very necessary or nobody will want to run anything at all for pros except, really the disc companies and the few that can afford to just give away their time for nothing.

Though I do agree... I don't see many events where money comes out of the Am entries to fund the pro purse. Where does this happen? I know it doesn't happen at anything TADGA puts on, each division's money stays within that division.

[cbdiscpimp]

I don't want to sound like I'm just adding my two cents just because he's my dad, but he does have a point.I bought the stickers last year for my parents for christmas.Great Super. But, this next year correct me if I'm wrong, but the price might go up $5. Most people who play disc golf those select few who are out there and play in the winter and don't wait for league to start.It may seem worth the cost and that's just what I thought.But unlike most of you. I have to factor in paying 340 for car insurance, my cell phone bill,college tuition and money for a new car. <font color="orange"> Who do you think your talking to??? Almost all these people have all those bills and more to pay for!!! And to be completely honest if you cant afford to play disc golf after all those bills then dont play...........Scott Slater has played in forever cuz he is going to school and just doesnt have the time or money for it........Romine took two years off because he wanted to make more money and get a place and whatever else he wanted to do..........All these people have bills.......So do I and like I said above if I cant afford to play I just dont play......It sucks but its what you have to do.......Plus there are PLENTY of free courses around Ann Arbor to play at instead of HM </font> What's left of my paycheck is mine and it's a very small amount.I myself couldn't afford the cost.That's close to half of my paycheck even if I'm only working part-time.I think its nuts to pay $50 and then another $25 for league and $10 for a bag tag next year and then try to cough up money to play in tournaments.I love to play disc golf it's the best dang sport I've ever played.But, I just can't afford it <font color="orange"> That really sucks but if thats the case you shouldnt be playing anyway. If you dont play league and dont buy a bag tag all you need is the another 15 for the yearly pass </font> and if we only get one sticker for one car then I won't be able to go out and play whenever I want to.It's true the PRO purse will drop to a small amount if the AM's can't come out and play because of the outragious prices. <font color="orange"> Like I said above this is just simply NOT TRUE!!! </font> Gladly, not all PRO's think the same way. Some do think of others and would understand the problem at hand. <font color="orange"> I do think of others which is why I donate sweet CTP and help other players learn the game but if you cant afford to go to the movies you dont go......Disc golf is like the movies.......Its an extra uneeded bill and if you cant afford it you dont do it.......I dont understand whats so hard about that??? If you cant afford to go on vacation to florida or on a road trip somewhere you just simply DONT GO.......Why is it all that all the sudden disc golf is a MANDATORY bill???</font>

[cbdiscpimp]

PS Ill be there saturday then weather permiting Deamon and I are having a MATCH on sunday!!!

[cbdiscpimp]

Just to respond to one smaller point: In terms of whether or not ams are necessary: They are. In order to make it worth a TD's while you need to have ams so they can at least move plastic. With a Pro-Only event the TD has very very little opportunity to make any money to compensate his time, and if he chooses to reward himself even to the tune of 5 bucks an hour (far less than minimum wage) he's probably going to get blasted. So running an event with Ams is very necessary or nobody will want to run anything at all for pros except, really the disc companies and the few that can afford to just give away their time for nothing.

Though I do agree... I don't see many events where money comes out of the Am entries to fund the pro purse. Where does this happen? I know it doesn't happen at anything TADGA puts on, each division's money stays within that division.



I see what your saying Woj but do you seriously think that HUGE am fields that we have in MI are just going to disappear because HM is now a pay to play course??? I highly doubt it.......People will just choose to play elsewhere and not pay the 50 which is fine with me and im sure its fine with alot of people who WILL pay to play HM......Heck with 50 to play disc golf and 20-25 for a yearly park pass thats STILL a steal!!! They could charge 100 for park passes if they wanted to........@ 4 bucks a car per day for me and many discs golfers that would still be cheaper than paying every time we went!!!

Again who said that disc golf HAS to be cheap??? Just because it is now doesnt mean it has to be or even SHOULD be!!! Sure some of its appeal is how cheap it is but it being cheap is another reason it has such a bad name!!! Because alot of riff raft and cheap morons play it and give us all a bad name!!! Do you think ball golf would have such a good rep if back in the day it was FREE for ANYONE to play on ANY COURSE they wanted???

[ChrisWoj]

You might see a bit of a drop off if they apply it to all the courses. The question is: Will it be 50$ per park in 2009? Or 50$ for one pass to all of the metroparks? Because keep in mind that this is just a trial year and if all goes even moderately well it will be implemented at ALL of them. Going somewhere else could be a very small buffet of choices.

I'm not against it. Was just pointing that out concerning the Pro fields not needing Ams point that you ventured forth to say.

And for those people fixated on "oh I barely play and I don't want to pay 50 dollars..." REMEMBER IT IS ONLY 2$ PER ROUND. If you barely get out there, just pay the daily fee! Thats what I'll be doing.

[janttila]

Disc gofl = CHEAP?????

Gas + Tourny Entry + Park Entry + Flights + Food + + + = NOT CHEAP.

It used to be cheap when I was only finding the discs I was shooting with. And when a kind pro would bee like, "hey you should try throwing this". Play tournaments and there is nothing cheap about it.

[ChrisWoj]

Okay, Joe... "Relatively" cheap. :)

[cbdiscpimp]

Disc gofl = CHEAP?????

Gas + Tourny Entry + Park Entry + Flights + Food + + + = NOT CHEAP.

It used to be cheap when I was only finding the discs I was shooting with. And when a kind pro would bee like, "hey you should try throwing this". Play tournaments and there is nothing cheap about it.



There is if you compare it to OTHER proffesional sports. And lets be honest.........Disc golf is not a MANDATORY expense........Its a luxury and a extra activity.........No one HAS to play disc golf........The CHOOSE to and if they cant afford it its truely something that should be cut out of their lives!!! Heck there were 7 more tournaments I wanted to play this season but I couldnt AFFORD it so I stayed home and worked so I could take care of my bills and my real life stuff............Plain and simple if you cant afford it maybe you shouldnt be playing...........Its not the parks fault or the sports fault that you cant afford it...........The truth is they simply DONT CARE!!! I dont see people complaining about the price of a Blue Ray player of a 62 inch 1080p LCD HDTV.............And you know why that is??? Its because you dont NEED those things.......They are little extras you treat yourself too if you have the money and want to spend it.........That is what disc golf is........Its an extra thing you treat yourself to if you have the money.........Its not NEEDED at all..........Heck there are plenty of places that you can still play for FREE it just happens thats HM wont be one of those places anymore.........I dont see ball golfers complaining about the price of a round in Vegas being over 150 bucks with a cart...........And you know why??? Cuz they can play for 30 somewhere at home or they dont NEED to play that course!!! Pure and simple if you cant afford it you cant afford it............Doesnt anyone understand that???

I mean if you guys are going to be league and A3 members your going to HAVE to buy the yearly pass because I KNOW there are atleast 25 days of league a year and that right there puts the 2 dollars a round/day to 50 bucks doesnt it??? I would say the only thing that is going to suffer from this is A3 and the league itself and it most likely wont suffer all that bad anyway..........Id like to start hearing some REAL reasons why HM or any other course for that matter shouldnt be pay to play.........And because some people wont be able to afford it really isnt a viable complaint. I know I sound like a total A Hole when I say that but its the truth and sometimes the truth sucks.

Thats just my 2 cents

[scottcwhite]

J.R. Robertson
King Harvest (Has Surely Come)



Congratulations Taylor, way to use google to your full advantage. I will have a mini for you next time you're in town. I was looking for 'The Band' but Robbie did write the lyrics, so you get it on a technicality.

[tacimala]

I am very good at this Google stuff.

[Roosta]

i actually knew the song and i gave you the right band, i claim a win by giving the RIGHT awnser

[tacimala]

I think all of us here are fairly certain that you could never claim a win.

[nad69420]

woj basically ur still the biggest wussy punk b**** for not showing up at stoney, whats a matter pms, boyfriend wouldnt let u leave the house , maybe u should go to mickey ds and get a wahburger with french cries, or go to the bar and get a wineken, or even better when u dont cash in the next am 2 tourney ill call the WAhbulance, and they'll fix ur virgin v*g*n*
ps northern ohio competition doesnt exist in the state of michigan because we dominate in any sport ! oh in ur face woj skit skit skit

[jfrosty42]

had a little to drink bob?

[Roosta]

I think all of us here are fairly certain that you could never claim a win.



last time i checked i claimed a victory in bags against you and i belive i cleaned the table in poker at Sarah's with you as a witness, although i doubt you remember the poker part and that handle you and ignce got was gone befor ei even saw it. i support that agenda though...... :cool:

[janttila]

I think Bobbydigital has been drunk posting :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D
Next time pick up a phone and drunk dial a girl. Try to bee nice though, tell her she's the most beautiful women you've ever called at 4:30am and you are soooooooo in LOVE with her. :D

[janttila]

Any westsiders coming out for Strikes at the Mills?

Eastsiders?, Northerners?

[savard1120]

i may be getting IGNT

[janttila]

Hope to see you Saturday Ignce :cool:

[tacimala]

Don't kid yourself

[Roosta]

unless i go i bet ignce wont beee there.

[z Vaughn z]

Any westsiders coming out for Strikes at the Mills?

Eastsiders?, Northerners?



No, I quit.

[janttila]

Then I'll assume you are heading to the Turkey Shoot Out this weekend. Fire up that hybrid and shoot over to a2. I'll head down to the Turkey Shoot Out with ya.

[scottcwhite]

Any westsiders coming out for Strikes at the Mills?

Eastsiders?, Northerners?



No, I quit.



It's a Strike, no quitters allowed!

[Roosta]

so if you show up to hudson and don't play the tourey are you a scab?

[scottcwhite]

See everyone bright and early tomorrow! 8-9 registration in the Activity Center...

[bruce_brakel]

I'd like to be there but I have family responsibilities tomorrow. I'm trying to get next weekend off for the golf course thing in Haslett [East Lansing].

[janttila]

Results? How did the Union fair?

[scottcwhite]

Results:
http://www.local101dg.com/tournaments.php?tournID=79&amp;action=results#results

Images will be up soon.

Video to follow. We had Fortch out there on a golf cart all day filming in Hi Def.

[lepricon]

Nice win Daemon!!!!

[z Vaughn z]

DSpro is back!!

Now the question is, do you think wooj would still challenge you Daemon?