Brown Deer Park Disc Golf

[markpeterson]

Work day sat April 14 8:30 am. Bring tools.I know there is a tournament every weekend but support of your home coureses should come first. Baskets don't go back in until all work is done. If possible,we might be ready for concrete after a good turn out. Even if you can only wake it for a little while, do it!! Thanks Shark P.S. course changes listed under Brown Deer Tees post.

[tkieffer]

I'm there. You need the 'wheel' to get new lengths?

[sleepy]

I'll be there again to help on Saturday. Hopefully most of team SWED will be there to help too.

[superberry]

Mark, I have a seminar at UWM April 23-25 and would be more than willing to help with the course. PM me or give me a call (phone # on my website) and let me know what kind of stuff needs to be done so I can plan to bring tools (otherwise I'm not packing the truck full). I have chainsaws, wheelbarrows, shovels, bow saws, and could possibly trailer down a tractor if the county is not using it and I can borrow it. Otherwise, if all is done by then, I'm totally looking forward to finally playing.

[kellerthedog]

mark, why is the work day the same as the Pro/Adv WI tour Warmup? Will there be another work day in the works after the 14th? I imagine the tourney will affect the workday turnout negatively.

[MARKB]

mark, why is the work day the same as the Pro/Adv WI tour Warmup? Will there be another work day in the works after the 14th? I imagine the tourney will affect the workday turnout negatively.



If I wasn't already committed financially to the tournament on that date I would have probably made the work day. I would imagine there will be plenty of work days in the works so if you miss one just try to make the next!

[sleepy]

mark, why is the work day the same as the Pro/Adv WI tour Warmup? Will there be another work day in the works after the 14th? I imagine the tourney will affect the workday turnout negatively.



Well I guess true team Swed members will be at Brown Deer on Saturday /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I guess you need to defend your Int. title though :o

[kellerthedog]

:cool:

[markpeterson]

Superberry, If you walked the course you should now it is way to wet for a tractor . Wheelbarrels , shovels ,and rakes will be needed the most. The tee pad boxes need the gravel emptied to behind them so they can be filled with concrete. Then we can take the frame off and put it behind the teepad , spread the gravel inthe box again so to get rid of the mud that usually surrounds the tees. Bring s chainsaw but I'm not sure if we can use it, and gloves. Thanks Mark

[markpeterson]

Well I was at the park making a todo list and found hole# 6 under a foot of water. Then saw about 2 feet of water behind # 7 's teepad, so there might be some more changes . When I played at the park when I was a kid , there was a pond on # 11(now # 4) it is huge!!!!. It is well in play and you have to make a field goal through the trees at about 90 feet or your in the drink!!! Some stupid jackbass drove his truck all over the park and tore it up by 13 (now# 6) short pin really bad!! I picked the work day with out ever looking at the tour dates. I have never worried about how many people can help because if too many show up it is chaos and hard to controll quality. There will be more work days as soon as winter ends. I plan on doing them on saturdays if that helps at all. I don't check this board every day so any questions call me at 1-262-457-4631. See ya sat. Thanks Shark

[markpeterson]

Even though the weather is not up to par, I will still be there on sat. There is plenty of buckthorn to be cut and removed. It sounds like the ground won't be frozen so all we can do is try. A extra pair of boots might be a good plan to keep your vehicle clean. Global warming = 6 months of winter, you'd think it would be just the opposite. See ya on sat.

[tkieffer]

Even though the weather is not up to par, I will still be there on sat. There is plenty of buckthorn to be cut and removed. It sounds like the ground won't be frozen so all we can do is try. A extra pair of boots might be a good plan to keep your vehicle clean. Global warming = 6 months of winter, you'd think it would be just the opposite. See ya on sat.



I'm still there, and I hate buckthorn! The snow should all be melted by then, although things sound like they are going to be wet.

[jrumble]

Are you planning on adjusting the tee signs to match the course at this time? Did you ever get in touch with the guys who made them? Anyway, good luck

[sleepy]

Besides the woods the course was suprising drier than I thought it would be, even though it was still wet. Good to see so many people I just wish I could of participated more.

[markpeterson]

I'll be at the park on sat the 21st at 9:00 am to finish prep work on tee pads. We need to remove gravel then dig down 3.5" and reset the forms on seven holes (all the ones in the grass). I think I could do 1 tee in about an hour. If alot of people can make it and bring wheelbarrels let me know and I might be able to get some concrete out there as well. All fair ways are in, alltee signs are in and set to the proper #'s.This course is freaking fabuloso!!!!! See you sat. thanks Shark

[pathamill]

I will be there.

I agree the course after the changes will be amazing.

Would you agree that the changes will added a stroke or two or three to scores.

Pat

[markpeterson]

More strokes ? Yeehaw!!!! I hope so. Do you a have a wheel barrel ? And shovel. See ya on sat. Shark

[pathamill]

I will bring a wheel barrel, shovel and a metal rack for the gravel.
I would like to see anyone shot under par in the long placements :D

[kellerthedog]

jesus could do it

[pathamill]

I don't think Luke is that good ;)

I think the devil had a lot to do with this course

[markpeterson]

you guys lost me . just for the record, I thought that the only course /park that hosts a PGA tour event in Wi should have nothing less than a awesome disc golf course. So the harder the better. If you shoot par , I want to hear I played great , not I played good.

[tmart59]

Shark, I'll bring my wheel barrow & shovel on Saturday (4/21)too.

See ya-----Tim2

[uwmdiscgolfer]

how long will the work day go?
i have a few obligations in the early morning, but could be there in the afternoon. will work still be going on?

[tkieffer]

I'm there for the morning, but will probably have to bug out around 12:00 to 1:00. Besides the usual implements of destruction, I'll bring some things to go at the stump in the new teebox that you (Mark) showed me last Saturday.

[markpeterson]

Thanks Tim but we don't need it . I shoved the box forward a little so that stump is not in the box. Matt ,I'm not sure how long the work day will go , my cell # is 1-262-224-5824. Not enough responses to set up concrete for this sat but maybe the 28th. It always seems so many want to play everyday but so few are willing to spend some time on something they can / will enjoy for the rest of their life FOR FREE. I haven't played in 6 weeks but no baskets will be in untill all the work is done because then people will be playing at one course while people are working at an other. That just wouldn't be right. I plan on running a tourny in fall that will be free to anyone who helps out at least 3 work days this year. See ya sat Shark

[MARKB]

Mark I am going to be available on May 5th for sure to help out if you do schedule anything that day!

[1951]

Mark, I put the word out at the tourney last Sunday and also at Valley View on Wednesday night. I will be there as well as Luke Reed for sure. I told people that may not check this site that baskets don't go in until the work is done.

[uwmdiscgolfer]

i agree!
last week many people has already signed up to play the Wi tour warm up(myself included), but if you are not obligated to something already, you should be there to help.
Thanks Mark for all of your work, its highly appreciated by myself and countless others.
ill try to get there after my am appt for my new place to live.

[markpeterson]

Work day this sat 9:00 am Brown Deer Planning to do concrete teepads. Need wheelbarrels and shovels. If you can make it call me at 1-262-224-5824 or reply here so I can get an idea of how much concrete to order. See ya sat Mark

[sleepy]

Mark, I spread the word as best as I can. I still really do not have much use with my right hand. I still have not been able to throw at all righty let alone hold a shovel. I will try to make it out this Saturday and help the best I can. I know it is Monroy's birthday party that day so I am not sure who I know who will show up.

[kellerthedog]

will there be a petting zoo or clown at the party? or what about a pinata?

[sleepy]

Well it will be Cinco De Mayo :D

[tmart59]

Mark, I will be @ B/D on Sat (5/5) w/ the proper equipment. Let's pour those pads and get a BIG turn-out of volunteers!

[discglfr]

Sweet that we had a pretty good turnout of people at the park tonight. Lots of work was accomplished. In fact, I think ALL 9 tee pads were dug out and a few new fairways were cut as well.

From what I remember seeing we had out there, Shark, Rumble, Cobus, Kieffer, Batka, Mike Maffucci, Brad S, Nathan Loper, Jacob Loper, Don Loper, Luke, Jonny V, Greg Schwartz, and Henry Poth. Those are just the people that I saw.

Thanks to those people and anyone else that may have been out there.

Shark's plan is to POUR CONCRETE on Saturday at Brown Deer. Any and all help would be appreciated. Thanks again to everyone that was out there tonight (or has been any other time).

Ter

[MARKB]

I was glad I could help for the hour and half I was out last night and I will be out at Brown Deer on saturday to help as much as I can

Later!

[discglfr]

Hey Brunner! I completely forgot that I saw you for a brief moment. I don't know if there were any others out there as well but "thank you Brunner" for being out there along with anyone else I missed.

Valley View Leagues tonight. We are already in our 5th week.

[MARKB]

Hey Brunner! I completely forgot that I saw you for a brief moment. I don't know if there were any others out there as well but "thank you Brunner" for being out there along with anyone else I missed.

Valley View Leagues tonight. We are already in our 5th week.



I wish I could have been out there longer, just getting more people to come out and help for an hours time will get so much done. I hope the turnout is good saturday and a good deal of work gets done! :) I figure since I am on the "course development" committee I might as well do something, right? :D

[1951]

I just ordered 14 yards of concrete for Saturday morning and we get charged overtime if we don't get it off the trucks in a timely manner so let's all show up with wheel barrows ready to put those teepads in!!!! We will start near the 37th and Bradley
rd teepad. Lets get these courses done so we can get them opened up. Hope to see all of you there. Concrete is set for 9:00 delivery so get there before that please.

[tkieffer]

See you on Saturday, Mike!

[amdiscgolfer]

I believe you get 6 or 8 minutes per yard of concrete! Good Luck out there - Remember that Sunday is the Mayhem Open/Advanced Day so after you have put down the crete and wanna play a course - Come on out!!!!

[markpeterson]

SAT 7:00 am YES BE THERE at 8:45 you hoser!!! A little rain freshens the air. Shark

[widiscgolf]

Heard of the great work at Brown Deer Mark!!! Awesome!!!

[1951]

18 tee pads in and 27 to go! Nice turn out Saturday! We need that kind of turnout everytime so we can get this done. We had to pay an awful lot of overtime to the Redi-mix company because we have to wheel the crete so far. Let's get out there and get these courses ready! The GMO is right around the corner.
Thanks to everyone that helped Saturday!

[tkieffer]

Would like to reiterate the fine job on Saturday. Around 20 people came out with about 10 wheelbarrows, and we got 18 teepads done in 4 hours. Nice job by all! Thanks to all the gentlemen and lady (thanks, Nancy!) who came out and helped make a huge impact on the quality of the Brown Deer course.

Tuesday work night at Dretzka, let's get the 'new nine' ready to go!

[markpeterson]

I'll be at Brown Deer at 8:00 tom (tues) to pull the 2x4's off the tees . The park guys will take them to Dretzka so we can get the tees preped there. Hopefully diggers hot line has been ther so we can do the anchors as well . Shovels ,posthole diggers , and wheelbarrels will be needed. Hope to be at Dretzka by 1:00 or so . Thanks Mark

[markpeterson]

Change of plans , my baby sitter is sick. I'll be at Brown Deer at about 12:00, Dretzka maybe by 3:00. Thanks Mark

[markpeterson]

If anybody gets a chance ,about 2-3" of dirt needs to be filled in around some of the tees. All you need is a shovel and wheelbarrel, maybe a rake. after that the course is ready. It would be nice if someone would take the point to get it done. Thanks Mark

[markpeterson]

Pouring concrete at Dretzka 9:00 am sat hope to be done by noon. Bring friends Thanks Mark

[pathamill]

Mark did you replace the long placement anchor on hole 14?
If you did it is messed up again like before.

Terry / Mark is Brown Deer in the GMO placements or will it be all long or all short or as is?

I'm shoting +6 avg.

what do you think of it being a par 56 are 7&9 par 4's?

[20165]

Terry / Mark is Brown Deer in the GMO placements or will it be all long or all short or as is?





Are you saying the pins ARE in the ground right NOW??????

[pathamill]

Where have you been?????
yes they are in and it is amazing.

[markpeterson]

No ,not the GMO placements .Wanted to see how some holes play first. 7 and 9 PAR 4's. Idon't know.56 is 56 whether it's 2 over or even ,it's still a 56. Personally I don't care because it's the same for everyone. Just my opinion. I shot a 50 with 2 bogeys my only time playing. I did get lucky a couple times . Mark

[tmart59]

Lucky, you are The Shark, aren't you....no luck involved...it's all talent!

[widiscgolf]

Just amazing!!! Shot a +3 57 the first time with a few lucky holes myself.

Course play, flow and scenery just beautiful....!!!

Hamm

[widiscgolf]

Terry / Mark is Brown Deer in the GMO placements or will it be all long or all short or as is?





Are you saying the pins ARE in the ground right NOW??????






AHHHHH YEAH ZAC! THERE IN!!! HEHE

[markpeterson]

Pins will be moved Monday to tourny spots for league. Mark

[sleepy]

Its amazing how quick the course is growing in. The fairways are getting really tight.

[widiscgolf]

Yeah it is growing in for sure. Sucked last night I was +1 going into my last 4 holes and took 2 double bogeys. Finished +5 for the round.

I still of course had an excellent time!! Had a good time shooting with Deering, Joe (Elk) and Mike.

Dretzka leagues here we come.....

[MARKB]

Sleepy had a great round worth mention -3 !! rock on, I shot a -1 and peterson had a -1 as well I believe great golf... I should also mention that I think Peterson had about 7 or 8 birdies during his round too!!! thats crazy!

Compared to fall, it's an entirely different looking course :) soooo tight!

[markpeterson]

Course will be closed for 2 full weeks with baskets pulled the week before the US Bank championship and the week of the tourny.The park will be closed by police and others so spread the word so everyone knows. Thanks Mark

[widiscgolf]

Do you actually have dates Mark when they are closed?

[markpeterson]

I'm not sure but very close with Sunday July 8 - tuesday the 23rd. I will know for sure soon. Mark

[superberry]

Will the tee pads be buried or leveled with the ground while the course is closed? I played Friday and Sunday night around the GMO and they really throw me off because I'm worried about rolling an ankle, or can't start an approach from off the pad.

[markpeterson]

Only the wooded holes have raised tees as to not disturb the tree roots. I wood like to get timbers or logs about 3 ' in front of the tees and fill the gap with wood chips. as for the back of the tees I have no plans to do anything with them. If 12' isn't long enough to throw ,I don't know what to say but nobody makes anyone have to play there. I know some people want 30' tee pads so you can never please everybody. Mark

[superberry]

12' is long enough for an approach. It's on the holes that play left to right where I throw a flick or an overhand (i.e. #2,3,14) I will start from off the left side of the tee and finish by stepping onto the front left corner only. Can't step on a raised corner. And, I'm ALWAYS worried about stepping on and rolling my ankle off the front edge of ANY raised tee during ANY throw. Nothing will ever make me feel safe about that. I'm not knocking anything (this Milw board is overly sensitive), I understand the tree root situation, but get some fill in front. Get some crusher dust or use the stone from the original tee pads. The county should be up for providing what you need. They don't want you to disturb the roots, but they sure don't want broken ankles in their parks either. And you don't want broken or sprained ankles during a Worlds event.

[uwmdiscgolfer]

Well you can come help with that project then. We have had many people taking their time to do this work. Maybe this is just the Milwaukee board being sensative, but there are only so many people, and so much time to do all the work.

[ck34]

I will start from off the left side of the tee and finish by stepping onto the front left corner only. Can't step on a raised corner.



Can't step on a corner legally anyway. Sounds like you might need to tweak your run-up position? No one should roll their ankle unless they foot fault.

BTW, I agree that it's not great if tee pads are above ground and no stones or wood chips are placed around the edges to better level the stepoff. On the other hand, players are responsible to stay 100% on the pad during the release.

[sleepy]

I'm not knocking anything (this Milw board is overly sensitive),

You have seen that too? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[uvpop]

A lot of work has been done by many people, and it continues to get done. Thank God (or Shark) that they did not leave the baskets out until all these little but important details were tended to!

Play the course, be careful, and be happy there are so many folks chipping in so everyone has a chance to sprain their ankles! All in due time. I am sure we could put a pile of gravel at each hole,and concerned golfers can bring a shovel and fill in any bad parts!

[superberry]

See Brock, there you going being overly sensitive and defensive. Don't give me your sob story about getting stuff done down there, you live in a metro area of well over a million people! I make sure to get a ton of stuff done up here, things that make sense to do, in a place with only 25000 people in the ENTIRE COUNTY.

Chuck, I'm not denying that you'll only roll your ankle if you foot fault, but thinking about avoiding a foot fault isn't gonna keep me from rolling my ankle when it occasionally happens, and I'm bound to step off at one point or another. I care a lot less about being penalized on a foot fault than rolling my ankle.

I can't believe you guys are jumping all over me for simply asking about something you KNOW can obviously be improved. If you say the raised tees are perfect, in a perfect world, and wouldn't change a single thing - YOU'RE KIDDING YOURSELF. And, that is all I did, ASK if there were any plans to fix it while the course is closed. I'll still play regardless, it doesn't really bother me that much at all, but it obviously bothers some of you that I 'dare' to state the obvious.

[ck34]

We have work to do at Highbridge along the same lines to pack gravel around some of our tees that weren't installed flush with the ground. It's a typical issue many places even later on when the ground gets worn in front of tees that were orginally flush. Just one of those ongoing maintainance issues among others.

[superberry]

I understand. I guess here it's not so bad with the crushed stone, the front wears evenly with the ground although it too does get 'dug up'. This is just because I 'think'. I step on a raised tee and think "I hope I don't step off and roll an ankle". Which leads me to think more about my approach, steps, and where I plant my foot. If I wasn't on a raised tee, I could think more about my drive and think less about my feet. I wonder if other people also think, or maybe it's just me. Maybe no one else talks about what they think about.

Not to overshadow anything. Mark and the GLDGC (and all volunteers) - GREAT JOB on the course! I loved it! Well balanced, and to the point where deuces felt real good and well earned, not like a gimme.

[uwmdiscgolfer]

Simply stated, there is a lot of work to yet do. I am not saying you are not correct, because you are correct that the tees need to be re-filled with dirt, or gravel to make them even. We also need to put in concrete at dineen, put tee signs at dineen, add tee signs to the new dretzka, do course clean ups for worlds etc etc. Its just everyone states obvious points that need to addressed, and its tiresome to hear the same remarks. I am not taking anything away from your dedication to your course, its very commendable and appreciated to see people care about the game and the courses we play.
WE do have over 1 million people, but in all truthfulness here, we have about 20-30 consistent workers that managed to put in dineen, brown deer, new dreztka and replace many tees at the old dretzka. Those people get burnt out, and those same people should have the opportunity to play golf in their leisure time and not work every weekend on the course. Mr Tim Kieffer and Tim Strait are two of those people i see every time i go to help, but i never see play. If we had 10 more Kieffer's, Straits and Petersons, the work would have been done months ago. But that is life, not everyone, including myself, can show up every time to help with the course.
TO sum it up, yes, more work needs to be done, and it will be done.

[markpeterson]

Hey Tim (Superberry) ,we are not too sensitive it's just that with a million people around you'd think that more than 15 -20 people would show up to help. Alot of the guys who do show up have families .I never get to play except at league s that I run. I did make a mention about work at Dineen on sat but most people don't listen or there by someone who is talking .Most people who play disc around here think that the city pays for disc golf and laugh when I ASK for help. In a smaller city you should be able to spread the word easier. I know tees need work but hereing it from out of towners who aren't out there every weekend is a slap in the face weather it is intended to be or not. There is a long list of things to do but it goes by priority. By the way , don't go to Cali. to play because the eroisen in front of the tees has a two and a half foot drop off on the courses I played out there.With criss crossing fairways and blind basket locations. So it's really not to bad here considering the course has been open less than a month. Mark

[dloper777]

Mark,

One other option, not discussed, is if further help cannot be supported by fellow disc golfer's is simply pull the baskets until the work is completed.

This can't hurt......avoids complaints.......and the sooner it gets done...the sooner we play on premium courses.

Who are we trying to please? When obviously courses are not up to par for safe play, clear directions, and tee pads to yet install?

Just my two cents.

Dlo

[uwmdiscgolfer]

DLO, i think you are on to something here. As much as i would love to play, pulling the course in preperation to get ready for the biggest event to ever set foot in Wisconsin may be whats in order to get the work done.

[uvpop]

I completely agree, then what else would the discers have to do but help install the course properly!

I still recall CLEARING hole #1 at BD with a crew, and a couple guys walked up with discs, and wanted TO THROW the hole! No pad, no basket, we were IN THE PROCESS OF defining the hole, and these two guys wanna throw it! Unreal. Had it crossed their minds to actually lend a hand?

I say pull the course Shark.

[tkieffer]

Will the tee pads be buried or leveled with the ground while the course is closed? I played Friday and Sunday night around the GMO and they really throw me off because I'm worried about rolling an ankle, or can't start an approach from off the pad.



I finally got a chance to play Brown Deer for the first time yesterday morning. I arrived about 1 1/2 hours early and managed to put fill in front of the tee pads on holes 2, 3, 4 and 5 before we played. Not the best job, but something to help out for awhile. There is limestone available on the course where some of the old tees were. All it takes is showing up a bit early with a shovel and wheelbarrow and getting at it for an hour or so. If more people would do this, the pads would be in that much better shape.

If anyone has the ambition, it should be easy to fill in the front of the the pad on #18 as there is a limestone pile about half way down the fairway on the right. Show up a bit early and get at it if you think it needs to be done!

Concerning the 'sensitivity', don't take it too personally. We are just getting a bit worn out by many of the people who we rarely see when the work needs to be done, but we keep 'seeing' them offering their 'advice' on places like this forum. I think you can understand that given the work you do up in your neck of the woods.

[chainmeister]

I'm no help as I am south of the Cheddar curtain and really can't get up there. I just want to say that those of you who are clearing courses, pouring cement, flattening limestone...you guys rock. I will be glad to buy you a beer or three (off the course!!) when we are up there at the end of July.Thanks!

[superberry]

Lack of help often makes me want to react in a punsihing mode and pull the course until people actually get out and provide a few hours of their time to help. But believe me, word does not spread fast in these small towns, it barely spreads at all. And if the baskets were pulled, most locals would assume it was closed, go on their way, and never come back or even question it. It's pretty low-effort around here.

But look at things this way, at least until worlds. Leave the courses open as long as you can. Give the locals plenty time to pratcice so maybe one of us from WI can take home the honors of winning it all in our home state.

[markpeterson]

After sat the remaining work to be done will be minimal and easy.I'll post a list soon for each course and people can do it at their leisure. Pulling the baskets wouldn't work unless EVERY course within 50 miles was closed. The people who are willing to show up don't care if the couse is open, they do it because they know 98% of all disc golfers are selfish or unaware that the city is not doing the work.I put up a sign and watched people read it from a distance about Dretzka being closed , then watch the people ignore it and shoot at pvc pipes. Then I yelled at them and they looked me square in the eye and said they didn't see any sign so I threw there discs in the woods and said oh , was that yours? True story. You guys don't really believe pulling the pins is the cure all,do you?I don't. There is light at the end of the tunnel.I'm happy. For years I've had no help at Dretzka but you never heard me complain. I still rarely even get a thank you but I do it for the way it makes me feel knowing that I brought enjoyment to thousands of people. I could write a million words about this but I'll stop here. Shark

[dloper777]

Good lead...................


I'll follow !


Dlo

[tkieffer]

Pulling the pins may not be a cure, but threatening might help! But you let that cat out of the bag, poker face! :)

Oh, and thanks for everything you do, Mark. See you tomorrow!

[dloper777]

It's just the 'Father" in me................

Common "horse" sense is never a punishment.

When growing up.....if I didn't get the yard work done...my dad simply said I couldn't go out to play. Simple.

He trained me to get my "work" done first, and than play hard afterwards.

Not punishment, just work ethic. Didn't hurt me, only helped me to be a responsible adult.

"For those about to ROCK (slang for pour concrete tomorrorw) I salute you!"

Dlo

[markpeterson]

Brown Deer Park (disc golf course) will be closed from July 10-23.The baskets will go in sometime on monday the 23. Tell your freinds. Mark

[dthrow]

So If someone wants to practice Brown Deer for the Worlds it needs to be done before the 10th. Looks like i need to get down there sooner than later. This information about the basket being pulled should be posted on the AM worlds thread so players coming into town know that Brown Deer will not be open until the day before the tournament starts.
Keep up the good work Mark and the rest of the MKE crew. I am looking forward to playing the courses!

[discglfr]

The closing of Brown Deer will be put on the latest updates which are coming in the next week.

Also, Brown Deer's PGA event has been noted in the DGWN article, the Disc Golf Mag article, in the player's invitation packages, and online. I think it will also get another mention in the newest Disc Golf Mag article that is coming out shortly. We'll continue to spread the word as best as we can.

And yes - get here to play this course sooner than later because no access will be granted during the times that Mark listed above.

Ter

[dthrow]

Thanks Ter, I thought it was being closed for course work. I forgot about the PGA event. I will be there before the 10th to practice. Keep the good work coming!

[markpeterson]

I had the county dump some wood chips by tee 3 and 4 and 17. Could some one organize to get those spread ? I've trimmed alot of under growth on a lot of holes, got the tee sign post in for the new nine at Dretzka, finished Deneen (except for tee signs) , got the county to approve anchors for the temp nine at Dretzka ,diggers hotline still has to check the areas, and made a new path after new 9 at Dretzka that comes out behind the tee. All thats left is picking up garbage at Brown Deer on # 1 and 2, picking up sticks in fairways on a bunch of holes, and spreading wood chips before the park closes on July 12. The county has been great. If anyone plays Brown Deer during the day and sees kids breaking branches call the cops or do something except stand by. Valley View is the ultimate example of tree killing, lets get it stopped now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks Mark

[tmart59]

I can get some work done this Sunday @ 7AM. If it hasn't been done already the chips will be spread then.

L-O-E-G

[MARKB]

I can help on sunday morning for a few hours if need be, just keep posted!

[chainmeister]

Mark

Thanks for the work you guys have done. Last week Damon Short and I came up and played this wonderful course. He posted to the Discontinuum site about the course. He did have one complaint and I am going to copy it here. I see that you had woodchips available to add to 3,4 and 17. Those are wooded holes. On the wooded holes the tee pads are not such a big concern as you aren't going to do a big run up. On the open holes you need a run up and the tee pads are elevated which presented a problem. he wrote:
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My only complaint, and for a couple of holes it's a big one, is the raised teepads. There are a couple of 4-500' holes where I don't think even a good player has enough room for a runup to make a decent drive. On the wooded holes I don't think it's as big a deal, but it was #7 I think where I just decided to throw from the grass off to the side rather than taking a chance on injury. I know that a very few number of people have put a ton of work into these courses, but somebody's gonna get hurt off one of those pads if they don't get filled in a little.
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In any case, I am looking forward to playing Brown Deer again at the end of this month. I just wish the grandmasters could play it twice rather than once.

[widiscgolf]

There is a reason they are raised. The whole area where the holes are located are low points that when rains a lot it creates flood in that area is what I was told.

So they won't be changing those holes any time soon.

The only 400+ holes I'm aware of that has a raised tee is hole 7 which is 600+ feet and hole 9 which is 750+ feet. The tee area and surrounding area is in a low point so there is no other location to put the tee. So you need to raise it and build up the area with dirt, gravel and woodchips.

Most of us locals have logged numerous rounds with no ankle or falling off problems.

If you need a longer run up on those already long tee pads then there something wrong.

I also know if the conditions were bad and you had to pick an alternate area to shoot from it would have to be actually behind the tee box and not from the sides I believe. - don't quote me on that though. I don't know the pdga rule on that.

[chainmeister]

. So you need to raise it and build up the area with dirt, gravel and woodchips.



That is pretty much what we were assuming. The pads are obviously not going to be changed. However, with them being raised, a dirt/gravel/woodship buildup would be helpful.

[widiscgolf]

. So you need to raise it and build up the area with dirt, gravel and woodchips.



That is pretty much what we want to do. The pads are obviously not going to be changed. However, with them being raised, a dirt/gravel/woodship buildup would be helpful.




That is what we're trying to accomplish. The courses have gone through climate evaluations since it been in last year. So any tees that are raised were justified.

[20165]

Whatever the reason it should be fixed, someone could get hurt! Some people start from different places around the pad, and others might be taller and have a longer stride. When trying to throw 400+ people shouldn't have to try and balance on the corner of a pad to get as much room as possiable.

And why does everyone answer with" If you need more room then some things worng with your throw" Everybody's throwing motion is different, just because someone follows through off the tee pad does't mean there throwing wrong. I guess there's something wrong me then, because YES, I do need a longer run up to try and throw 500 feet, or at least not a 3-4 inch lip on the back. Just my opinion.

Now before someone get's all in there feelings, or takes my suggestions personal, I'd like to say thank you to EVERYBODY who took there time to make this course possiable today, it's great to have these beautiful disc golf options!!

[sleepy]

Whatever the reason it should be fixed, someone could get hurt! Some people start from different places around the pad, and others might be taller and have a longer stride. When trying to throw 400+ people shouldn't have to try and balance on the corner of a pad to get as much room as possiable.

And why does everyone answer with" If you need more room then some things worng with your throw" Everybody's throwing motion is different, just because someone follows through off the tee pad does't mean there throwing wrong. I guess there's something wrong me then, because YES, I do need a longer run up to try and throw 500 feet, or at least not a 3-4 inch lip on the back. Just my opinion.

Now before someone get's all in there feelings, or takes my suggestions personal, I'd like to say thank you to EVERYBODY who took there time to make this course possiable today, it's great to have these beautiful disc golf options!!



Well there must be something wrong with your throw /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[ck34]

What about the possibility that a raised tee is no different from a challenge where the pin is raised on a mound like at the USDGC? It's not like the raised edge shows up suddenly. You can see exactly what the challenge is. If you wish to throw harder with a longer run-up, it's something you practice, just like you practice straddle putts or putting uphill for different basket challenges.

I'm not saying designers should have raised tees on purpose to provide additional challenges for run-ups. But when they are necessary, it's just something players need to learn to adjust for just like they don't always get to use their favorite putting stance. If I sprain my ankle because I don't execute a "putt-jump" properly, is it any different if I sprain my ankle trying to crush a drive when I could see I had a more challenging tee pad situation?

(BTW, I heard that they are adding dirt to the front and back of all Highbridge tee pads where needed today and tomorrow to provide as much room as possible for run-ups and follow thrus)

[damonshort]

If I sprain my ankle because I don't execute a "putt-jump" properly, is it any different if I sprain my ankle trying to crush a drive when I could see I had a more challenging tee pad situation?




Are you serious? Of course it's different.

If nothing else, you can practice a jump putt anywhere. You can only practice hopping upwards onto a teepad if you've got a teepad up on which to hop.

Unless you're talking about the ankle sprain being the same in either situation. Then maybe.

[tkieffer]

Yep, it would be great if someone went out with a wheelbarrow and shovel and backfilled the teepad on hole #7 for all of the reasons mentioned. So, who's going to do it?

I know I plan on doing some work with the wood chips this Sunday morning. Coming an hour earlier than when we plan on playing so we can get a bit of work done. Anyone willing to put in an hour before they start their round could probably get hole #7 done well before Worlds. So, how about someone who is concerned with their run-up getting at it and filling around the pad to their very own specifications? Consider it an investment in your Am World's experience! ;)

Oh, and if no one is willing to make the investment, then it may be what it is and everyone will have to deal with it accordingly. There is no magic fairy that can snap their fingers and fix the problems mentioned on this Board. It will take someone's time, effort and sacrifice.

[widiscgolf]

You are correct Tim.

You are correct too Zac. I forgot about guys like you. Long strides and the height factor also. ;)

[chainmeister]

What about the possibility that a raised tee is no different from a challenge where the pin is raised on a mound like at the USDGC? It's not like the raised edge shows up suddenly. You can see exactly what the challenge is. If you wish to throw harder with a longer run-up, it's something you practice, just like you practice straddle putts or putting uphill for different basket challenges.

<font color="blue"> It is clear that the designers had no intent to make the raised tee a challenge. It was apparently a physical/ecological reality. That being said, its still a hazard. Not a golf -get you in trouble- hazard. Its an oops lets go to the doctor hazard. If the designers wanted to make a virtually flat footed drive an element of the hole so be it. I do not think that was the intent. Further, there appears to be a reasonable fix by adding dirt and gravel and woodchips etc. That fix, of course, is tempered by the reality of somebody having the time and energy to do it. I get that. I respect the Milwaukee contingent's question of who is going to do it. However, I think that telling me that this is an added challenge to the hole comes across as a bit arrogant. Further, the analogy to a raised pin is not a good one. A raised pin is tough. Its part of the game. You are not expected to do a run up to a putt and within 30 ft better hold your position. Local golfers are used to an elevated pin. #8 at Parkside in Kenosha has an elevated pin that occasionally confounds playes but to my knowledge has never injured them. A run up is expected with a tee shot on a 400 ft hole. In the present case a run up is now a bit dicey or must be truncated. I guess, based on your response I should be working on a three step x-step run up. That would work. I guess my game would be better if I added that element to it. </font>

I'm not saying designers should have raised tees on purpose to provide additional challenges for run-ups. But when they are necessary, it's just something players need to learn to adjust for just like they don't always get to use their favorite putting stance. If I sprain my ankle because I don't execute a "putt-jump" properly, is it any different if I sprain my ankle trying to crush a drive when I could see I had a more challenging tee pad situation?

<font color="blue"> Once again, I don't buy the analogy. Yes, there are positions on the course where I cannot execute my favorite shot or putt. This depends on where my disc lands, what tree is in the way, what obstacles are there. With a tee shot it is expected that I can get the thing launched. If I cannot it is due to either a designer's intent to make it harder, a designers failure to get the job done (which is very common on lots of bad courses around the country) or, as here, physical realities compouned by the job needing to be finished. A jump putt is a special putt. I am talking about a normal, five step run up. I am short. I am 5'6" and have the leg span of a shorter guy than that. If I am running off the pad, and Damon is not much taller than I am, a "normal" golfer will do so as well. A jump putt does not compare to a normal five step run up. I think it would be fair to compare it to the crazy running starts alike the roadrunner that a lot of players use. Yeah, I agree, those guys will have to compromise. </font>

(BTW, I heard that they are adding dirt to the front and back of all Highbridge tee pads where needed today and tomorrow to provide as much room as possible for run-ups and follow thrus)



<font color="blue"> And if they do so as well at Brown Deer all will be well, no feelings and no limbs will be hurt and everybody will live happily ever after. :) </font>

[tkieffer]

Someone has gotten injured on the elevated tee at Parkside (Kenosha), but that person went off the back, not the front of the tee.

[chainmeister]

That's 9. elevated tee. I was refering to 8, elevated pin. Ouch, that's a long fall! But, there is room to throw.

[markpeterson]

Hey guys , our club has donated / spent over 20,000 dollars and upwards of 2200 man hours of free labor. It is quite hard to get everything done when about 8-12 people did 95% of the work.So many people have opinions but so few help out. I know people who can make any tournament they want but always have a reason not to to lift a finger to work. I hear people talking about playing here and there and everywhere then say I don't have time put my bag down and help for a half hour because I have to finish my round. So I live by one rule and that is I will only listen to your complaints after I see you working to help out. If you never help then you have no right to ever complain. Dave and damon ,I hope the courses that you play have recieved some sweat of yours. Brown Deer is only six weeks old. Everything can't be done at the same time. All the tees in the woods are not in a flood plain but are next to very old beautiful trees that have surface roots. We didn't want to hurt the trees by digging up the roots.Sure a 50' tee would be great but then someone would want a 60' tee.Those tees are 5' by 12'.They cost over 8,000 dollars for all the tees. And thats with a huge material discount and free labor. I see people teeing off on flush tee peds and foot falting alot. These tees are intended to make people not foot foul or anything like that. We just haven't had time to fix the problem yet. Hopefully it will get done but my wife is allready ready to kill me so I don't think I can do it. I have played off of tees that have a 2' (24 inches) drop off on the front and nobody ever goes over. It is the same for everyone. If it's there first ,you have to account for your actions. See you in a couple of weeks. Some of the guys in our club rock and I wouldn't be surprised if it got done. Mark

[hole5guy]

My problem is, is that the grass, especially in the fairway for a lot of the holes, is really bright green, or it is too thick. It is difficult to throw when you are being blinded by bright green grass, or when the grass is so thick that it unties your shoelaces.

I plan on bringing out some spray paint and my hand clippers to dull the color and trim all of the areas where I usually throw. It is just like, you know, like...in the winter when you are the first one there after a snow storm and you bring a shovel and a bag of rock-salt you stole from your employer.

If ya'll ain't done that it's no wonder you don't know what to do about the tees at the course. I bet dollars ta donuts there's a big ol' pile'a dirt somewheres nearby that tee with all the problems.

That dirt just needs a little movin', thats all.

Next time I'm out there I'm going to bring my post hole digger, a post (for the post-hole) and a magic marker and make a sign to see if anyone could take 5 minutes to fill in the area around that tee.

By the way, the dude is way off on the "raised tee is a course challenge" idea. Tee shots are the one area that is supposed to be consistent. I'd like to see one ball golf hole where you hit your tee shot from a pile of sand or 12 foot hole in the ground. Ball golfers who drank too many scotch's on the rocks at their country club who accidentally stumbled on our message board are laughing at such a conversation because they know that somebody else pays somebody else to build their course and if it isn't perfect when it is done they don't pay the dudes and then those dudes go on welfare and drink Milwaukee's best (or god forbid Budweiser) for the rest of their lives.

Disc golf doesn't have that ability because it is new and it is paid for and supported by players like you and me. We need to show those sweater-wearing, ball-smacking, cigar-sniffing, scotch-swilling (no offense, I love scotch), pinko-commie bastards that we are the sport of the future.

How is that for a drunken rant?

Anyway, I'm sure someone will fill that hole in within the week (especially with my sign staring them in the face; plus I'll probably leave my wheel-barrel and shovel next to the hole while I play and sunbathe next to the fishing house).

Forever Yours,

Will Mueller

[Chainiac]

PPppffffttttt...dang Will !!! I just spit coffee all over my monitor.

That's good stuff. You should get drunk and post more often! :D

[widiscgolf]

No kidding!! WIlls the best drunk poster within 5 states!!!

hehe ;)

I love his tee signs!! I swear I just about cry laughing everytime...

Keep'er going Will!!

Hamm

[tkieffer]

Has Will went to bed yet?

[pathamill]

I will be getting out of work at noon today and heading to BD to do some work around tee pads and then throw a round.

If anybody can help call me 262-894-6634.

if not see you in the morning

p

[markpeterson]

Well, all of the tees are done with gravel and/or woodchips. Myself and Robbie Olson shoveled a entire dump truck load of woodchips by hand Tuesday morning. Every tee is done and even some fairways and basket locations. That was really fun !!!!!Brown Deer is closed, not just the disc golf but the entire park . I don't know if the ball golf is open to the public, but the baskets are pulled. It will open Monday the 23rd by 10:00 am . Shark

[sleepy]

Did anyone see the news last night? I saw hole 13 on fox 6 there was a 16 year old boy who got shot in the head by the picnic area by hole 14's teepad. I hope he is allright who would of thought Brown Deer and not Dineen.

[widiscgolf]

Wow.. No kidding...

[widiscgolf]

Fun time shooting yesterday Sleepy!! Awesome rounds.... Sleepy/Wondra -22 Stamm/Hamm -20

That was on a 27 hole round.

Good times...

[sleepy]

It was fun, but it was at Dretska not Brown Deer. Good shooting

[widiscgolf]

Yeah hehe Dretzka.... Yeah -22 at brown deer...hehe NOT!!!

[markpeterson]

Everything long at league, best score -1, next day, Dretzka ,long tees to long pins. Best score -3. This week at Brown Deer , all pins long. Best score +2. Dretzka long pins short tees best score -5.That was some good stuff. Coming soon to Dretzka, everything original. As soon as the flood recedes. I'll bet the mosquitos are going to be totally out of control in a couple of days. Shark

[tkieffer]

Everything long at league, best score -1, next day, Dretzka ,long tees to long pins. Best score -3. This week at Brown Deer , all pins long. Best score +2. Dretzka long pins short tees best score -5.That was some good stuff. Coming soon to Dretzka, everything original. As soon as the flood recedes. I'll bet the mosquitos are going to be totally out of control in a couple of days. Shark



Mosquitos shouldn't be too bad, especially not by your or my house. ;)

I may have to put rocks in my pockets so I don't get carried off when I go get the paper!

[tkieffer]

Yesterday morning the Tims (Tim Strait and Tim Kieffer) shot a -3 on Brown Deer longs and wish to put in a claim for the over-45 doubles record as such. 4 long putt/approaches that went in on the back nine to preserve the score.

Mosquitoes are prett bad, so bring your repellent as well as your game if headed for Brown Deer. As for up by my place, I'm now running the distance between the car and house just to make sure too many mosquitoes don't grab hold and carry me off!

Oh, Paul Kuffel and Eric Paulson shot the same -3, but since Eric is a young guy, they'll have to settle for putting in a claim for the over-40 doubles record. ;)

[uvpop]

wow, I just read this now... good shooting gentlemen. I commend you.

May want a run at that record myself if I could..... let me see......

How do we do the math, if I am 43? is the age of 45 an average???

[tkieffer]

Both over 45, total closer to 100 than 90. But I'd like to see you and Mark do it when Brown Deer is long like is was (is?). Its within range.

It took us 4 long POD-worthy putts/approaches on the back nine to shoot 3 down, shot even on the front. May have left one or two out there. Kuffel and Paulson's -3 was much less 'eventful'.

[uvpop]

Can you give me a number count instead of the -4? Can I assume you played everything par three??? Did you guys shoot a 50?

[tkieffer]

Can you give me a number count instead of the -4? Can I assume you played everything par three??? Did you guys shoot a 50?



-3, total of 51.

[markpeterson]

I shot -4 playing singles with 3 bogeys.I love that freaking course!!!!!!! Best shot doubles sat Oct 13th . Should I leave all the pins long? What's your favorite hole at BDP ? Mine are #3 and #18. The rest are to hard. Shark

[tkieffer]

I shot -4 playing singles with 3 bogeys.I love that freaking course!!!!!!! Best shot doubles sat Oct 13th . Should I leave all the pins long? What's your favorite hole at BDP ? Mine are #3 and #18. The rest are to hard. Shark



-3 was with two bogeys if I remember correctly (7 and 9). #3 is fun, long #8 was pretty cool (except for the dead raccoon that was rather ripe smelling), but #12 and #13 long are great two shot holes for older guys. Oh, and #1 is a great 'welcome to Brown Deer' starting hole.

I'd make them long for the tournament. Make people work a bit!

[msbatka]

I agree. Brown Deer Park is an awesome addition to the Greater Milwaukee disc golf scene. Think about this...at the Greater Milwaukee Open, a 54 was rated 998. The hot score in the Open division was 51. And if I remember correctly, holes 1, (maybe 4), 8, 10, 12, 14, 15, 17 and 18 were set up in the easier of the two pin positions. Changing the those pin positions might add 2-3 strokes to the average score. That would probably put a 54 somewhere in the 1020s. A deuce can't be had on every hole, but a bogey sure can. My favorite hole is probably #16.

Mark - I think holes 2, 3 and 17 are currently in the easier pin positions. Could they be moved before the GLDGC event so singles and doubles records could be established with the course laid out as challenging as it can be?

Side note, I recently moved all baskets at Dineen. It's a mix of short and long placements. I will be moving everything long in the next week or two and then short a few weeks later. Be warned - the geese are back. Hole #3 is once again a mine field along with several other spots throughout the course.


Mike

[tkieffer]

Geese dropping minefields? Got to get the player traffic up and run those winged nuisances off!

[msbatka]

Here's one instance where I wouldn't mind seeing a few dogs on the course.

[dthrow]

Hello Milwaukee crew!,, I just wanted to say that Brown Deer is one of the best courses i have played. A great mix of holes! We need more courses like this in Wisconsin!! Great work Mark and the rest of the GLDGC group!

[markpeterson]

Howdy y'all, #2 and 3 may play easier but are in the long placements. # 17 only has one placement for now . The other anchor is there but the fairway is not cut. As for a course record , you know me, 2 anchors per hole won't last long. # 18 has a beautiful dogleg right with 2 anchors already in the ground. #16 has a playable anchor down by the tree line from the original course's #15. I just need to break them in slowly. Probably could make the course six strokes harder and a legit pro par 60. It's so nice to have options and variety. Shark

[msbatka]

Precisely why I referred to the pin positions as easier and not shorter. Thanks for clearing up hole #16. I was wondering about the other pin position. It's hard to believe we had two and a half less courses in Milwaukee just one year ago. Thanks to everyone who made it happen.


Mike

[pitsniper]

I don't know Mike if I would agree with ya on those 3 holes. #2 I think is harder where it is just because its hard to keep that back hand so straight down the gap. The other pin position on that hole I think is easier just because you can get lucky more often then not with a flick and birdie it. Hole #3 not only being longer, but is protected by some closer trees to the pin where as the short pin position is not that hard of a short turn over shot. Hole #17 is hard where it is just like #3. It might be short, but you still have to keep it straighter, were as the other postion play an easier heizer shot. Don't get me wrong though. Where ever the pins are really, the course is still hard.

[msbatka]

I agree with you that there's no position on hole #2 that's clearly more difficult. It depends a lot on golfers' strengths and weaknesses. However, I've got to stick to my guns that hole #3's pin position on the right side is more challenging. As Mark posted, hole #17's other pin position isn't ready yet. There's too much poke and hope factor right now. Simply one of the best courses in WI.

[superberry]

Brown Deer is indeed AWESOME. I don't bother going anywhere else when I'm down there. FANTASTIC job.

I know you have a tone of extra sleeves in the ground between 3, 17, 18, but if you're looking for an alternate pin sleeve sponsor at BD, count WPDGC in.

How about a long pin on #8 down the trail that heads to the right?

[tkieffer]

Longer than the one that is aready down that path and currently being used (or at least was being used about two weeks ago)?

[superberry]

I only played the one in the open, to the left. I never knew there was a long sleeve down that path - NICE.

[markpeterson]

I just moved it (# 8) back to short again because I saw some poision ivy just north of the basket( after I threw my drive in it) less than 20 feet from the pin. There is also ivy on #1 half way down on the left in the thick stuff (tall grass), alot of it. Shark

[tkieffer]

I just moved it (# 8) back to short again because I saw some poision ivy just north of the basket( after I threw my drive in it) less than 20 feet from the pin. There is also ivy on #1 half way down on the left in the thick stuff (tall grass), alot of it. Shark



I sprayed the left side of hole #1 a couple of weeks before Am Worlds, but knew it was going to be an ongoing problem as the area where the tree line ends and the trail by the railroad tracks starts is an ivy field that will keep encroaching in that area. I didn't notice the area behind #8.

Sounds like more spraying next spring. It's getting a bit late in the year to affect the stuff as its starting to go dormant. Quite a banner year for ivy growth and spreadl.

[superberry]

Shark, we have TONS of poison ivy that we killed this year. I read a report from the Ag Department that excessively high CO2 in the atmosphere is allowing poison ivy to bloom rampantly.

Go to Fleet Farm and pick up some 2-4-D, as well as Killz All. These are the generic brand chemicals that are exactly the same as Roundup, yet 25% of the cost. Mix per directions (I think 2.5 tbsp of Killz, and 1.5 tbsp of 2-4-D per gallon). Works like a charm! Poison ivy is dead and withering withing 2 days. It also clears undergrowth weeds VERY fast for good clearing.

[tkieffer]

I've been using various 'over the counter' brands such as Ortho Brush and Ivy Killer and Bayer Ivy Killer. Wasn't aware of the 'generics'. I'll have to check that out, thanks!

[superberry]

Yeah, I just happened to notice the generics when reading labels. Roundup SuperConcentrate is like 49% glyophosphate and $40 a quart. Killz all is about 42% glyophosphate and less than $10 a quart. The 2-4-D is a superchemical that was introduced in the 70s and is effective in killing off pesky broadleaf plants - only very small doses required too. It's only like $7 a quart at Fleet Farm. Supposedly it will only kill poison ivy from what our county workers tell us, but I mix the two chemicals together per gallon of water (completely safe to do), for outstanding poison ivy kill as well as all the ground clutter and undergrowth. We've used about 25 gallons of this over the past year and it has worked like a charm. Once a year kill in a given area, no re-growth unless the vines are still alive underground from another nearby patch, but you can pour it into handheld sprayers and just "spot" spray during a round, after you're done patch killing.

[tmart59]

I hear if you eat Poison Ivy just like a salad your body builds up an immunity and you don't need any chemicals - internally or externally!!

[tkieffer]

We can always try that this weekend. You first!

[superberry]

While you're at it, try burning it and inhaling the smoke. I hear that works REAL well. It doesn't cause death or anything.

Seriously, it's not much to deal with the PI. Simply wash when you get home, throw clothes, shoes, etc in the washer too. And if you do feel itchy where you rubbed against the plant - DON'T SCRATCH! Scratching actually irritates the antibodies inside you that are attacking the oil that was absorbed into your skin, and that leads to the blistery rash.

[tkieffer]

And don't forget to wash your discs and/or bag if you think any of them have been in it. Spent a good part of one summer wondering why I kept getting ivy rashes coinciding with mosquito bites before I realized the oil was on my golf bag. I'd get the oil on my hands, then spread it to the bites.

[markpeterson]

Don't forget that BDP closes Dec 1st -May 15th. Shark

[tkieffer]

I hear if you eat Poison Ivy just like a salad your body builds up an immunity and you don't need any chemicals - internally or externally!!



Hey, perhaps this does work if done in a controlled manner!

Immunize against poison ivy! (http://www.wwmag.net/pivy.htm)


So, any volunteers? I can provide the ivy! :D

[tkieffer]

OK, before I get anyone in trouble (especially myself) for suggesting immunization to poison ivy by eating it, here's an opposing view:

From Penn State College of Agricultural Science (http://paipm.cas.psu.edu/279.htm)

<font color="purple"> Myth 2. If you eat poison ivy, you'll be protected from it in the future.

False. It's difficult to imagine how such a dangerous myth became so widespread. Eating poison ivy can result in a serious reaction and can even be fatal. Still, every year, students repeat this myth beginning, "My uncle says..." or "My Papaw says..." </font>


So, I think I'll take the word of the educational folks on this and pass on the tossed ivy salad!

[hole5guy]

I'm pretty sure you get it inside you and possible die. You couldn't play disc golf if you were dead!

I'd go with the round up. Plus it looks like our buckthorn friends need a little of the round up too. I guess the sawzall was only a temporary fix. Those things will be six feet tall by 2010.

[tkieffer]

Without any intervention, they'll be 6 ft. tall by end of summer 2008.

[markpeterson]

Baskets will be pulled either thursday or friday the 30th , so it will be closed sat the 1st. Shark

[markpeterson]

Brown Deer is closed until May 15th. Pins are pulled. Shark

[markpeterson]

Less than 81 days and counting!! Also league will be on Wed night at 6:00 pm this year. Yeahaww!!

[uwmdiscgolfer]

Good idea with a Wednesday league!
This may not be a good thing, but i would be more inclined to attend now!

[discglfr]

This appears to be a thread to use since it doesn't fit into Tim's league thread.

On Sunday I played the Dretzka Course and I decided to see what 150 class plastic was like (gearing up for Japan). I threw a 150, clear, Valk that went dead straight to the shed on hole 7. I ended up forgetting it there. I went back when we got to 23 but didn't see it anywhere (it was in the road the whole way).

I hadn't even put a single mark on it so if anyone found it please let me know. 150, clear-pinkish, Champion plastic Valk.

Thanks,

Ter

[tmart59]

Check E-Bay; maybe it will show up there! Anyway, there's a thread for the Dretzka Winter Course that would be a better fit for your Msg. Good luck finding your disc &amp; on your travels to Nippon! :)

[tkieffer]

My boys have a lot of 150 class plastic to choose from, including a couple of Pro Line Valks with nice Lifetime Disc Sports logos. I'm sure they could rent a few out for the Japan trip if the price is right! ;)

[markpeterson]

Once all the snow is gone I'm going to put together a couple of work days in late April, stay tuned please.Shark

[tkieffer]

Cool. looking forward to it.

Hey, did the 3/18 club meeting take place? I was tied up with a scout meeting that night, so I didn't call anyone to see if it was still on.

[markpeterson]

All 18 baskets are in,enjoy!!!

[superberry]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pathamill]

Freddy and myself played at the deer this morning.
the only WET spots where just off the tee at 7 and the walk from 17 to 18.
Sad to say but the right branch of the V tree short of 14's long placement broke off.
We cleaned the fallen branchs and sticks that we came across on the fairways and walks between holes minus #1 and #14.
The course kicked both are butts, but is was nice to get back there.
thanks MARK.

[Gorgar]

Played it on my lunch break, the wait was worth it. Is anybody going to be selling plastic @dretzka tommorrow?

[markpeterson]

# 16 is in a new pin placement that is 140' longer and 50' left. It is at the tree line by # 17. It is a beautiful 2 shot hole. # 16's tee sign is laying down if anyone has a posthole digger they can reinstall it. Thanks,Mark

[tkieffer]

[quote# 16's tee sign is laying down if anyone has a posthole digger they can reinstall it. Thanks,Mark

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The Tims are on it early Sunday morning if no one beats us to it.

Looking forward to shooting new #16, but its going to be a lot more than a two shot hole if I throw it like I did during Tuesday morning leagues! ;)

[pathamill]

Is that the old 'orignal' spot?

[tmart59]

The basket placement on new hole # 16 is close to the long placement of the original course's hole # 15. The tee is very close to the original hole # 14's tee. So, it's two holes in one &amp; it plays great!

[markpeterson]

Anyone get to any courses to see if there was any damage? I had a few trees take some damage and others are snapped in half. That was one hellofa storm!!!!

[tkieffer]

We got a lot of rain up here (8 inches since Thursday), but missed the high winds as the worst went to the south of us on Saturday. It did set off the tornado warning sirens, canceling our Boy Scout brat fry for the day. The Timber Rattler game was rained out on Saturday night after three innings, and the brat fry was also cancelled on Sunday along with the Cub Scout fishing outing. I bet the Fox Valley Open was quite a challenge with this crazy weather.

Brown Deer has a huge amount of dead wood high in the air (big branches and so on). I'm sure a bunch of it came down. Tim2 should know more after morning leagues tomorrow.

[tmart59]

The Morning League will play @ Brown Deer tomorrow. Hopefully, the course is still there!

[1951]

I drove through Wales this morning and the ponds are larger than I have ever seen them, in fact the back pond now covers totally around basket # 12 all the way up to basket #13 with at least 2 feet of water over Tees 13 and 14. 2 kids in a four man inflatable river raft were boating around that area this evening. Also I went through Sussex this afternoon and the pond has gained about 20 feet of shoreline all the way around. BUT does anyone know what is up with basket #8? It was the only one not in it's position from what i could see from the road. Is is the latest victim?

[tmart59]

Played B/D this morning (Tue.) There's quite a bit of standing water everywhere, the water on hole # 4 is now a pond, there's a large amount of water between basket # 16 &amp; the tee on #17 and there were a couple of dead pines downed on hole # 2. Other than that, the course is in pretty good shape!

[markpeterson]

Played league on Thursday,WWWWOOOOOWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a light show!!We had to quit!! On my way home I saw at least 10 bolts of lightning hit the ground that were so close that I drove threw sparks 1 time!!! All courses are so muddy ,please give them a chance to recover!!!Rain Rain go away!!

[1951]

The water on hole # 4 has claimed Loretta's Pink Sidewinder if anyone finds it, we would appreciate a call! Our name and phone number are on it. Also we had a couple of run ins with very inconciderate people who actually had their grill (cooking ribs and chicken) ON the tee pad for hole 11 and sunbathers (four of them) on tee pad 10. There were herds of others prancing around on the fairways refusing to move or atleast take less than their sweet time to get out of the way.
The courses sure could use some dry sunny weather!!!! We cancelled leagues Thursday at Wales due to lightning and 3 tee pads had atleast a foot of water over them anyways.

[markpeterson]

The mosquitos at BDP are off the charts!!!Don't forget your bug repellant.Brown Deer wiil be closed from July 11- 22nd for the US Bank championship. There will be no league on the17th. See ya Shark

[markpeterson]

BDP is closed. Baskets will be in ? . As soon as I know I will post it here. To see league scores go www.GLDGC.COM. (http://www.GLGDC.COM.) See you a week from thursday, Shark

[pathamill]

Why are we making Brown Deer easyer.
Nothing needed to be done to the left of 6 short and now 13 long looks like A_ _!!!
If any thing make it harder.
If you want an easy course go to Dineen.
If this keeps happening I will STOP suporting the GLDGC.

[markpeterson]

It's not making it easy , it's making it fair and fun. 100% of of the crap that was removed was buckthorn. Buckthorn kills other trees and would completely have surrounded those pin placements within a few years. You most like throwing a great shot 10' from the basket and haveing no shot.

[discglfr]

FYI - I'm working with Shark and the County to host a sanctioned event at Brown Deer in late fall / early winter. More details to follow but for now I wanted to throw that out there.

[DeafDGolfer]

FYI - I'm working with Shark and the County to host a sanctioned event at Brown Deer in late fall / early winter. More details to follow but for now I wanted to throw that out there.



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Ill be there for sure, if it is a right date!

"I have a itch to play Brown Deer again"
Brett Farve

[discglfr]

Registration has been updated and can be found here (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8379).

The pins will be on the medium to shorter side of things for this event. We will have anywhere between 60 and 90 competitors with limited daylight. Regardless of where the pins are - this course plays long and tough for most divisions.

In fact, if Mark read the distances to me correctly here is what they will be:

380
262
273
239
266
388
663
240
704
290
292
298
433
246
184
245
225
300

Please do everyone a favor and get pre-registered one way or another. All non-pros are receiving a custom event disc as part of the player's pack!!!

Registration fees go up by $10 as of Thanksgiving night, Thursday - Nov 27th!


FYI - I'm working with Shark and the County to host a sanctioned event at Brown Deer in late fall / early winter. More details to follow but for now I wanted to throw that out there.

[uwmdiscgolfer]

Thats Great! We have not had a event at Brown Deer since GMO 2007, the Am Worlds Warm up! Looking forward to this event, as its always a good time!
Everyone Pre-reg so we have a solid pro field for me to donate to!

[uwmdiscgolfer]

By the way, do you have any new merch you will have available for vending? Like the new Clash DVD?

[markpeterson]

Baskets are set for the tourny. That will be the last weekend Brown Deer is open until next May. Shark

[discglfr]

Thanks again for moving those baskets Shark.

If anyone wants to bring a shovel to make sure the snow is off the tee pads between now and Saturday morning that is ok with me. Also, if it makes sense to put down a little salt on Friday afternoon that would probably be a small expense the club could re-imburse someone for. It would only require about 1 small cup of salt per tee so just 1 or 2 bags of salt would do it.

Registrations are flying in. For more info feel free to read up on this thread (http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&amp;Number=891804&amp;Main=879244#Post8 91804).



Baskets are set for the tourny. That will be the last weekend Brown Deer is open until next May. Shark

[pitsniper]

John and myself are going out sometime around noon. I'll bring some salt and put some down as needed. Shark and I were out Wed. and a few pads needed salt at the time. Hopefully, it melted, but I'll take some salt w/ me anyways. Hope everyone had a nice Thanksgiving!

[markpeterson]

The tourny is full. 90 people are preregistered. If you have not signed up by now, don't waist your time, you can't get in. I just thought that this message might save a few people a trip to the park in the mourning. See ya, Shark

[discglfr]

Wow,

What a final few days here. Not sure why everyone waited until the last minute to sign up but it's pretty cool that we have a full field of 90! Didn't we just have about 20 less than a week ago?

It's currently 12:20 and I'm finally done with scorecards, tee assignments, and payout information. Time to catch a few hours of sleep and head on out to Brown Deer. Looks to be a beautiful day for disc golf!

Ter

[tkieffer]

Have fun out there guys! I'll be listening for the sound of chains while I'm sitting in my tree stand tomorrow morning.

[markpeterson]

Well I hope everybody enjoyed the GREAT tourny at Brown Deer last weekend. I know I did. Everytime I play there I wish I could turn around and play it again!!!!!! The baskets are pulled and the course is closed until May 15th. Next year the pins will be pulled on Nov 1st instead of Dec 1st. See ya, Shark