Elections

[Pack_Mule]

Who is running for what postition in February.

[sschumacher]

You guys have been lacking direction for years now so therefore I am running for the position of "Club President". Free chickens for all that vote for me. :cool:....

"Stick with me and I'll let you kiss my nut."

[3902]

Ya got my vote Furpup!Could you come on down to WAFDA and straighten these guys out as well?This position pays in biscuits.(Rubber Biscuits)lol!!!

[bulldog399]

Board Member for me

[bulldog399]

I nominate barney, mayo, and colin come make a difference

[sschumacher]

I'll be there soon Pitch but first let me take care of the "truly strickened" Fayettville bunch. Maybe you've seen these two Fayettville disc golfers doing insurance commercials lately???...It's worst then anyone can imagine. :(....Those guys need help now. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

http://www.awfulcommercials.com/stills/geico01.jpg

[jeffash]

That's an old pictue.
I shaved this weekend.

[BrokenPutt]

I'll do whatever I'm asked (unless it's Darrell doing the asking :eek:).

[BrokenPutt]

Colin would bring different ideas and opinions, but he isn't a club member.

[twoputtok]

Are you saying that after all the controversy he causes and the griping that he does, that he is not even a member?

[Pack_Mule]

I nominate barney, mayo, and colin come make a difference



Personally I like my new plan. Don't care as much and don't expect as much. Just go out and play some golf. Hey at least i am a club member, but only for two reasons.
1. To dominate Darrel= reason for buying tag.
2. Jason told me to stop crying if i am not going to try and change anything.= Reason for becoming a club member to have input in the upcoming elections to help vote the people that are going to make the most difference.

[ganzel]

I nominate Mayo and Daysun for treasurer. For board positions I nominate Larry, Bob, Darrel, Kyle, Daysun, Mayo, Buck. These are at least people who said they are interested and said they could make most of the meetings. I would love to be a board member again, if somebody would be so kind to make the nomination. And don't forget to accept your nomination. :D

[3902]

nobody likes you ganzel

[racerb491]

I nominate barney, mayo, and colin come make a difference



Time to step up ....

[BobHarris]

I graciously accept nomination to remain an active board member. With such a short time involved with the club and disc golf, I can honestly say there are few disc golfers I don't like, and Ganzel is not one of them. He has a passion for not only the sport, but the club as well. I nominate Ganzel to remain an active board member.

[ganzel]

nobody likes you ganzel


'cause everybody loves me... ;)...it's good to be king :D

[ganzel]

Well thank you Bob, i accept. The sooner you guys do too the sooner i can get these ballots printed...no time for love dr. jones.

[bulldog399]

I will accept my nomination /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[BobHarris]

10 nominations----------------------------------------------zero dollars
4 nominations accepted----------------------------------80 dollars
9 out of 10 nominees current members-----------180 dollars
18 dues paying members-------------------------------360 dollars
all area disc golfers united for a common cause--------------------------------------------------Priceless

[jeffash]

Doesn't someone have to second Ganzel's nomination?

I second it! :D

[jeffash]

Watch out for these guys (http://www.northwesterection.com/history.shtml) they might try to steel your erection.

[BrokenPutt]

I accept my nomination/s. I also nominate Barney and Zach for the board, and Barney for treasurer. Zach cannot post on here, but add him to the ballot anyway. I'm sure he's cool with it. Barney please accept.

[3902]

Hmmm? Who's NOT been elected.(See I told you Ganzel,Nobody likes you.No 2nd) :D

[BobHarris]

11 nominations for 7 positions----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------so far

[BrokenPutt]

We should have everyone nominated. No point in elections if there aren't more people running than there are positions.

[deathbypar]

I'm not sure that Ganzel is to be trusted.

[3902]

AHHHHHHHHHH Ha Ha Ha Ha!!!! :cool:

[Pack_Mule]

I will hold a position on the board if it is wanted by the majority of the club.

[twoputtok]

Nice Posistion Barney. :D
http://www.drittmer.com/Misc/Head_up_***.jpg

[ganzel]

Let me add here that this is a volunteer organization.....i.e. you're here because you want to be here.....and you help the club because you want to help disc golf.....

this is not directed at any individual....doing things for yourself, to improve your own status or ego, does not help anyone but yourself. Volunteering your time and money is not about helping you; it is about helping them.

Ask not what your club can do for you, rather, what can you do for your club? :D

[ganzel]

Larry just called me...since he can't post on here yet...told me to tell you he can make to most of the meetings, he'll try to make all of'em and he accepts his nomination.

[BrokenPutt]

I thought memberships didn't lapse until Feb 20th. Thought you could post until then.

[racerb491]

I will accept my nomination :eek:.

[LarryQuinones]

I accept my nomination. I want everyone to be clear that if you accept your nomination and then are unable or otherwise do not attend the meetings, you will be doing damage by reducing voting quorum. A certain percentage of the board must be present for it to function. There is only one good reason to take part: to help get the job done and promote the sport.

[TeeBirdPoop]

I did put my name on the ballot as a board member. I have also had the time cleared to attend all meetings for the year. I would really like the opportunity to step up and help this club and disc golf in this community! :D

[BobHarris]

MY PLATFORM
This will enable you to determine whether to vote for or against me as a board member.
At this early stage of the NWADGA, I think it is in the best interest of the club to declare DBA status as opposed to 501c with the ultimate goal the latter. If you don't understand the terminology, you need to do your homework! This issue is extremely important and I expect all board nominees to express their views.
I am all about promoting disc golf AND the club.
I think we need liasons everywhere there is even a remote interest in the sport. (Area cities, Corp of Engineers, etc.)
I think we need to back all events a club member wants to pursue. ( Ace Race, Ice Bowl, GDS Tour, Invitational, Kid's Day, Running of the Donkeys, Doubles etc.) No one person should need to incur the financial burden alone. Quite a risk.
I think we need to understand the history of the club, respect and thank the Originals and the ones who try so desparately to keep the club alive through desparate times.
I think we need to listen to the newer members, ask for opinions and ideas, and again, respect.
I think we need to INVITE people into the club. Had Darrell Bailey and Ganzel not introduced themselves, stuck out their hand, and asked me to participate, I'd still be playing alone.
I think we need to offer seminars to youth, us go to them, to their clubs, schools, ministries, etc.
I think we need money to better promote all these activities and to improve our only established area course. (actively pursue a variety of fundraising activities.)
I think we need to fundraise to give to charity, (obviously the founders of the ICE Bowl do too,)
I think we need to keep all club members informed of finances on a regular basis(DUH) but, you have to admit, for a long time there, nobody really showed an interest.
I've been wanting to express my views, been working long hours, and I've probably missed some important issues simply from lack of sleep, but there it is.
I don't fear trying new things and not succeeding, I fear not trying .
I hope to read others platforms in the near future so I can form a better opinion on how to place my votes.

[BobHarris]

OH, and Santa, while I'm at it, I want solar lights at Northshore and a club bus heading out to a different tournament every weekend.

[BrokenPutt]

I'm votin for Bob, we need a BUS! Seriously, I agree with a lot of what Bob said, but I would like to add that honesty and responsibility go a long way. Anyone who makes any decision within this club is responsible to every member. I think that sometimes that gets lost in the mix. I think voting is under-utilized (mostly from lack of participation but evidentally that will not be a problem now). I think that you are going a little overboard when saying that we should support any activity a club member pursues. I think that should be voted on. If the club votes it down, sorry. If the club votes for it then the club should support it. The main thing I would like to see is the inclusion of EVERYONE that would like to be. If someone chooses not to participate with the club anymore, we should identify why and if it is something that can be corrected correct it. I think that if you look at this club as a business it becomes more clear. Most major companies spend a lot of money researching lost customers. I think we should put some effort into it. If we can't keep the ones we have how can we hope to ever grow? The one thing that is most important within this club is membership numbers. The more people we have the more we can get done and the more pull we have with the cities we are involved with. That is the whole purpose of a club. We are stronger together than individually.

[ganzel]

Necessity is the mother of invention. We have a charter for several reasons. I hope everyone realizes why and will uphold the integrity of that charter. Our area has a need for an organization to promote the growth of disc golf. We gain the respect and support of our communities through our efforts in this organization. This respect will lead to trust. Through focusing on goals and implementing plans to achieve those goals, our club will be responsible for the eventual institution of more courses, more disc golf related programs, and more club members. All of these ventures require capital and it is up to the club to raise that money. I feel that the most important thing to remember is that we volunteer our efforts in this club for the benefit of other people. This is not my platform, but what i expect from anyone representing a club member in a position of authority.

[racerb491]

OH, and Santa, while I'm at it, I want solar lights at Northshore and a club bus heading out to a different tournament every weekend.



THE DONKEY WAGON :cool:.

[evandmckee]

OH, and Santa, while I'm at it, I want solar lights at Northshore and a club bus heading out to a different tournament every weekend.



THE DONKEY WAGON :cool:.




http://www.lnminidonk.com/home/24-up2.jpg

[racerb491]

I feel that to become a baord member the person seeking position must be a current member,has been an active club member for one year,has been to most if not all of the club meetings and has good intentions for the growth of the NWADGA and disc golf.

Just my .02 :D

[jeffash]

How many dues paying members did the NWADGA have in 2006?

How much were the club dues, and what tangibles did people receive for those dues?

Will we know before the February meeting what the nomination eligibility criteria is, and who the eligible nominees are?

As a voter will I hear from the various nominees at that meeting, or is there a forum- either here or on the club website- where they can post their "platform"?

Who are the current Board members?

Are they all running for re-election?

Thanks in advance!

[ganzel]

How many dues paying members did the NWADGA have in 2006?
-This info will be posted on the club website (nwadga.com) before the meeting.

How much were the club dues, and what tangibles did people receive for those dues?
-$20, you got a hog tag

Will we know before the February meeting what the nomination eligibility criteria is, and who the eligible nominees are?
-that info can be found in the club charter, also on the club website. a list of the eligible nominees will be posted before the meeting, so far all nominees are eligible though not all have accepted their nominations

As a voter will I hear from the various nominees at that meeting, or is there a forum- either here or on the club website- where they can post their "platform"?
-nominees will be given a chance (5 minutes) at the meeting, all are welcome post whatever they want either here or on the club site

Who are the current Board members?
-on the club website

Are they all running for re-election?
-no

Thanks in advance!
-your welcome :D

[3902]

Awwwww Man! I can't run can I?
WAIT!!!
I wasn't nominated.
I would like to nominate ME as director of da club.
I will guarantee ADDED CASH at every event.
Free Beer with bikini wearin sweeties for caddies at every event.(Not you Mayo)
:D
Colin will be the handler of the added cash at every event(Cause he ain't getin none,May be closest he gets to it for a while) :eek:
Bailey will be cookin the yardbird at every event.With free advice on how to properly pull off the BAILEY so well known it's making a new DG book.
Ganzel? I dunno yet.
And Kyle will admit at every event he ISN"T #1 in the state.(Close,But not quite)
Did I miss anything?
Oh yeah,
Watson will demonstrate the whine after I crush him next time i'm in town. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
There! Am I in?

[jeffash]

Thanks in advance!
-your welcome :D



Is there a spot available on the agenda that would allow me to make a 5 minute proposal to the Club, and to the newly elected Board, before the meeting has been adjourned?

or

Should I just post my proposal now so that everyone may have more time to consider it and so that prospective board members could comment on it (if they choose to)?

[BobHarris]

Not that you are asking me, but I really didn't post my platform to be "critiqued", rather to inform prospective voters of my ideas, desires, dreams,etc.....I would hope that we could read proposals, platforms, etc. on this forum to form an opinion that would reflect in our voting. I think we probably all have our minds made up who we will vote for already anyway. From my perspective, It seems there is good interest from club members to listen to your proposal either here or at the meeting. I would prefer that the election be brief as possible, so that more can be accomplished with the newly appointed board than just being elected. This is of course speculative that I have a hint of your proposal.

[dasun]

I accept my nomination and I hope that we can all work together for growth of disc golf in hog town.

[accidentalROLLER]

I feel that to become a baord member the person seeking position must be a current member,has been an active club member for one year,has been to most if not all of the club meetings and has good intentions for the growth of the NWADGA and disc golf.

Just my .02 :D


A few people, including myself, don't qualify for the part in bold. If many of the club members agree with Darrell's assertion, should we even bother running?

[BobHarris]

so far all nominees are eligible

[evandmckee]

I feel that to become a baord member the person seeking position must be a current member,has been an active club member for one year,has been to most if not all of the club meetings and has good intentions for the growth of the NWADGA and disc golf.

Just my .02 :D


A few people, including myself, don't qualify for the part in bold. If many of the club members agree with Darrell's assertion, should we even bother running?



Being a NWADGA club member with experience in these matters, this question that 28003 has asked is clearly answered in the club charter, Master Donkey has simply voiced an opinion, unless the proper procedure is taken to amend the Club Charter, which can't happen this close to the elections per the charter....

Copy Pasted from NWADGA.com

Article II. Membership

A. General
Membership in the Club has certain rights, responsibilities and entitlements. Active membership is attained and maintained by paying annual dues. Membership dues will be established by the club through the referendum process.

B. Rights <font color="red">
Each active member has the right to vote in all Club elections and to hold office in the club. </font>


Article IV. Restrictions

<font color="red"> This charter may be amended only with a 2 to 1 referendum vote during the annual or a special election with the entire active membership eligible to vote. An announcement of the referendum must be made to the membership no less than two meetings prior to the vote on the amendment.</font>

The charter is an awesome thing that defines us as an organization. It appears well done and can answer many questions.

[accidentalROLLER]

Evan, I know what the charter says. Just because a candidate is eligible, doesn't mean they'll get any votes. My question was more along the lines of how voters regard what Darrell said. If most of the voters agree, then there is no point in me running because I fail both of those, to some degree, and would hate to take votes away from a more worthy candidate, ala Pat Buchanan style.

[accidentalROLLER]

BTW, I hope no one sees my comments/questions as arrogant, sarcastic, or condescending. These are honest questions that I take serious and I think the answers from club members are important. There are many worthy candidates and its up to voters to decide what is important to them and what candidate fits that. I just don't want to dilute the voting since we have so many people being nominated.

[evandmckee]

Well then, I don't agree with MD, but do respect his opinion, new members and players can often bring alot of fresh thinking.

WAFDA barely had enough people willing to hold office, I've found that being active on the board of an organization takes alot of effort and time, which directly takes away from what I love the most about this game (playing disc golf). My skills as a competitive player (if I ever had any) are diminishing, I almost wanted to step down for awhile to refocus on this sport and at the same time knew that I couldn't because there weren't enough people willing to do what is more important in the long run (promoting the sport and creating/keeping a strong club)

I feel that NWADGA is lucky to have so many people willing to step up...

.02 cents

[evandmckee]

Do I have to be present at the meeting to vote, or is there a way to do it elecronically, mail, proxy?

curious... I would love to be there but everyday reality sometimes dictates otherwise :(

[keldog]

which directly takes away from what I love the most about this game (playing disc golf). My skills as a competitive player (if I ever had any) are diminishing, I almost wanted to step down for awhile to refocus on this sport.

.02 cents


JUST DO IT!
I did(step aside)and won a AM Worlds Dbl Championship ;)
LOL

[evandmckee]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

see ;)

board nominees be ready to sacrifice

[evandmckee]

which directly takes away from what I love the most about this game (playing disc golf). My skills as a competitive player (if I ever had any) are diminishing, I almost wanted to step down for awhile to refocus on this sport.

.02 cents


JUST DO IT!
I did(step aside)and won a AM Worlds Dbl Championship ;)
LOL




Well, according to other threads on this board, stepping aside wasn't the reason for your success, apparently you are fueled by aspirations to match a certain grand master :D

Having to resort to making aces just to get his autograph on your disc is pretty sad :eek:

[ganzel]

Do I have to be present at the meeting to vote, or is there a way to do it elecronically, mail, proxy?

curious... I would love to be there but everyday reality sometimes dictates otherwise




I am working on this... might be calling for the out-of-towners' addresses within a day or two......might just tell them an exact time that you can post your votes on the club board (which can be made anonymously...but cannot be limited to those few who are out of town...but also easier to do than mail)....got any other suggestions?

[ganzel]

Thanks in advance!
-your welcome




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[3902]

Vote by phone.Or by PM.
The phone call can be between a certain hour.Positions being ran for can be posted the day of.If a person is running for more than one position(In case he misses one spot, He can help in another)Then allow calls for the input.People interested can be standing by to get the info.You'll probably only have a couple people to call anyway.

[BrokenPutt]

I think G wants to keep it anonymous. I'm thinkin, but can't seem to come up with anything.

[3902]

It would work.The caller doesn't have to say who's being called.That way nobody knows who voted for what.Or Whom.

[evandmckee]

If people want their votes to be anonymous, I don't know..., electronical submissions by being anonymous on a forum could be abused, so could anonymously submitted mail, this sport does revolve around honor (i.e. the way we take scores on a card), I guess if you had more votes than members that you'd know something was up ;)

WAFDA mailed 14 ballots to out of towners and people that couldn't be at the meeting, no one returned them (even had self adressed stamped envelopes), waste of money imo, I think in the future we'll adopt something similar to TDSA's club picnic, make the voting process something fun, we had ballots but wound up voting openly by show of hands (I believe only 11 out of 25 members voted)

personally, I don't care if people know who I vote for

[BrokenPutt]

How many outta towners do we have? I can only think of four. The mailed ballots would be less than 5 dollars in that case. If we are gonna do that we need to do it soon though.

[jeffash]

Will the 2006 year-end accounting be completed in time for all of us to see at the February meeting before the voting occurs?
I'm probably not the only one that would like to see a bank statement that shows how much $ is where.
I have a personal interest in making sure the old FDGC funds are all accounted for.
I know that there have been some expenses, and donations, but it seems that with the 2005, 2006, and 2007 dues as well as the money from the bag tag sales, and the "Invitational" proceeds, and the $900.00 I turned over, the NWADGA should be doing pretty good.
I know that the FDGC wasn't as "formal" as this club is, but we didn't ever collect dues, and at every mini you knew how much money the club had, and how much was in the Ace Pot(s).
:)

[racerb491]

WAFDA barely had enough people willing to hold office, I've found that being active on the board of an organization takes alot of effort and time, which directly takes away from what I love the most about this game (playing disc golf). .02 cents



which is the same reason I am a board member. No one else wanted to do it. Now,it seems we have more people that would like to take part this year. This is good :cool:.

What I posted before was my own opinion and not directed to any one person(s)



I will gladly step aside if that is what the people want. It's not like I do anything anyhow :eek:

[jeffash]

I want you on the Board. You are one of my names written in stone. Don't make me get out my chisel. :D

I'm concerned about WAFDA members voting for NWADGA Board members.

What is the motivation of those who will ultimately vote?

I can see players from one organization joining the other's club, but why want to vote for Board members of a club different than yours- especially if you are a WAFDA board member.

Our two clubs often compete for the same resources, tournament dates, players, spomsors, etc... It's a friendly, symbiotic, relationship and I hope it stays that way.

The possibility exists that someone from WAFDA could vote for NWADGA Board members that they know will cause discord, and turmoil among our club.

I appreciate all of the interest they are showing in the upcoming elections, I guess I just wonder what the motivation is behind wanting to vote for our Board.

I realize that any club member can vote, or even be nominated for a Board position, so there's nothing to stop them from voting- except themselves.

[3902]

Discord and Turmoil?
Now why would we want that?What I want is to see a smoother working operation.Is there not Discord and Turmoil already among some in NW AR?Does that not exist pretty much in every association?
I think the WAFDA gang are "all" in favor of improving "all" areas for the benefit of "all" of us.
We are not competing.
No need to worry about WAFDA.
I think the appreciation you speak of lacks something.
You shot first.And that one was at the association.
If I am allowed to vote,I will.

[racerb491]

Thanks for the support Jeff :D.

I would like everyone to remember that this club is still in the beginning stages and that we started with just a couple of people that wanted to do something for our area. People can say what they will but I believe that our club has done some good things and myself can see progress from the last year. Thanks to all the people that has gotten our club to this point :D.

BTW- for all you Ganzel haters. He has done alot for this club and has my full support.


WE ALL NEED TO SEE THE BIG PICTURE.

[3902]

Hoorahh!Good point Mr Bailey.(Do people really hate Ganzel?)
Who's Ganzel by the way.

[evandmckee]

I HATE GANZEL :mad:

[evandmckee]

not really....couldn't help myself I love all you guys (in a brotherly non-#$*&$! way) :D

[evandmckee]

dang they filter #$*&$!, I meant non-ghey

[ganzel]

Will the 2006 year-end accounting be completed in time for all of us to see at the February meeting before the voting occurs?




Yes, an accounting report is presented by the treasurer at every meeting...month by month...though i can type up a yearly report i suppose. Darrell has made sure that i bring a bank statement to the meetings (accountability ;))


And for all you haters out there...have i really brought you harm...i have done unto you what i want others to do unto me...learn from jesus....love thy neighbor, don't covet, and don't sleep with my wife. he presented the world with a few other good ideas...you might look a brother up.

[ganzel]

And yes, i believe very strongly in the separation of church and state... the fact that the contrary exists will be the downfall of our nation.....hate me if you if will, i know the truth hurts. either way, please let your board member decisions be based on merit, and not opinion....there's a lot of work to do, and year to year we are learning from our mistakes....and correcting them....of course, starting from scratch has its' advantages too. For whatever, we have a few years before we get to the civil war stage in our development..and maybe by then we won't have a need for it...good luck. :D

[Furthur]

Have you given any more thought to how club members that don't live in the nwa area are going to vote? If you assume that everyone who's in this group has an internet connection, I may be able to help you.

[ganzel]

talkin' with Bob, i think it would be easy enough to have the four out of towners just call in that night to a designated recipient...somebody will call them with the ballots and the time....they call the recipient (somewhat anonymously) with their votes.....it would be about the same if we posted...but this way i can pressure them into actually voting.....not to mention a last minute political jury rigging...that's right, you may not like it, and you'll never know if they voted for you because of something i said or not :eek:...now if we got paid for these board positions we could find some more complicated way, that was completely impartial, like sending punch tabs to florida for recounts...i think this will work just fine. I promise i'll do all of my blackmailing well before i call them to vote. :D Oh yeah, i might just accidentally forget to call Evan...he hates me. :D

[keldog]

I say we have the Disc Golfer that lives in Florida count the votes :p

[BrokenPutt]

Don't forget Adam in Conway. My Dad is also a club member, but probably shouldn't vote since he doesn't know anyone running. I think the board should vote on how this is done though.

[BobHarris]

Diary of a Madman.
This is the story of how things came to be in the words of the man that made it happen.



Never give up.

I have been trying to get a disc golf course in our area for over 15 years.

We just now got one.

I first played disc golf in Nashville, TN at a private course near the airport in 1980. Me and my high school buds had to pay @$5.00 just to play and we couldn’t afford the special discs behind the counter so we just threw our Whamo 165s. The black ones got lost and some of the white ones got caught up in trees. I think the three of us finished that round sharing one disc. We had a blast.

I moved to Chattanooga, TN in 1987 after college and traveling adventures, marriage and the birth of our first child- no disc golf. I thought it had gone away. Ultimate was alive and well in my heart and soul. I found an Ultimate team in Nooga right away.

My wife is from Huntsville, AL. We visited her parents on the holidays. Some how I found a disc golf course near their house- Brahan Springs. It was me and my dog’s getaway from the in laws. It was 5 minutes from their house. It was great. I got the fever.

I came back to Chattanooga looking for a course. There was none. I discovered that Huntsville had 2 more courses and we started visiting the in laws more often. I discovered disc golf in Atlanta visiting more relatives. Back in Chattanooga- no disc golf.

Around 1989- 1990, I mustered the gumption to approach the city with the idea of a disc golf course. The Director of Parks and Recreation at the time was an old codger named Durl Jordon. He was at the end of his leg as Director and did not want to expend his retirement energy on a new-fangled project that he did not understand plus they were out of money building tennis courts nobody played on.

Later I visited the County Parks Director and they were out of money building park benches nobody used. The state parks were out of money. Oh well, I gave it a shot.

In 1994 my best friend was killed by a lightning bolt playing a game of Ultimate in Nashville. We used to talk about disc golf in Chattanooga. I revisited all my contacts with a memorial course in mind. Nothing happened.

My job changed to a regional sales representative for a national printing company. My territory took me to some of the best disc golf in the Southeast. I got a disc golf directory and I had little boxes by each course in my territory. Each course I played I would check the box. If they were really good I put a star by them.


I got to play disc golf in Little Rock, Memphis, Nashville, Jackson, Baton Rouge, Mobile, Birmingham, Huntsville, Charlotte, Knoxville, Atlanta, Hogansville, Lebanon, Muscle Shoals, Hattiesburg, Johnson City, Tishamingo, Fort Smith, Bowling Green, Louisville, Shreveport, Waveland, Gautier, Tupelo, Asheville, Raleigh, Winston-Salem, Hickory, Salisbury, Toccoa, Rock Hill, and others.

Back in Chattanooga- no disc golf.

I read in the paper that the City was going to renew a local park that was falling to crime and under use and other vices. I attended their organizational meetings and presented disc golf to the bewildered group. Disc golf did not make the plan.

But hey that’s ok. I could still play on my business trips. But people would ask me where I was from and how the disc golf was there. I had to say Chattanooga and we have no course. They would say, “What? That’s a bummer man . You oughta put one in.”

A new City Parks and Recreation man is hired. He knows about disc golf. He has even played disc golf. This is it. We are finally getting a course.

“We like your idea, but we just don’t have it in our budget.”

I heard that for the next several years at TVA meetings, at County Parks meetings, at private campgrounds and state park planners. This was almost always the answer.

It’s not like we were asking for everything. Our presentation was just baskets- @$ 5,000. and the space to put them in. Still there was no money but more than that there was no recognition of the quality of the sport at higher decision making levels.

We played video tapes. We presented letters of successes at other parks. We drew up plans of the course lay out and design. We demonstrated throws. We showed them discs and baskets. Still nothing stuck.

In the spring of 2002 I heard that a course was going in at a nearby Georgia State Park. One of my partners, an Ultimate player named Bo Chamberlain successfully landed a disc golf course in the budget of Cloudland Canyon State Park. The course was about 30 miles away from Chattanooga up on the Cumberland Plateau, but hey it was closer than Huntsville or Knoxville or Nashville or Atlanta.

At this course I discovered other disc golfers. I was not the only one suffering. Others had endured the pain of no disc golf in our area. They came out of the woodwork, more and more each week. Soon we had about 30 regular players. We had Sunday doubles. We established a tag system. We even had a few tournaments. It was good, but people got tired of the drive and we had to pay to park and pay to play. The rangers started profiling us and things were not so good. We had no choice though. Where else were we going to play?

We had to do something. My good friend Steve Cobble had been instrumental in growing Ultimate in our area for the past 10 years. He approached me with the idea of helping our Ultimate club becoming a tax-exempt non-profit organization. They had collected some moneys over many years of recreational league. We could combine Ultimate and Disc Golf into one entity. It was a great idea. Sure I said, no problem- understatement.

So we met and selected a Board of Directors and a name for our new club, the Chattanooga Flying disc Club, Inc. Wow, a bunch of old hippies and freaks on a board. Not a diving board and not being hit by a board or hammering a board. We were on a Board of Directors for our Disc Club. We worked for about a year meeting with lawyers, accountants and IRS people having meetings every month or so. We used Atlanta’s club structure to help us put our paperwork together. Thanks Atlanta.

We finally got word that we were accepted as a 501-c-3 tax-exempt organization recognized by the state and nation. One of our friends had some rich friends and we tapped into some of their foundation money.

I had met with City Parks and Recreation about 5 years ago and even walked a site with their City planner at a central location in Chattanooga near the DuPont Factory. There was some land that DuPont donated to the City for recreational use. There were plans to build a soccer complex and the city was open to discuss disc golf there too. The plan got put on the back burner…money again.

About a year ago, I was playing a course in Knoxville. Someone asked me again why Chattanooga did not have a course. It was about the hundredth time I had heard this.

I returned to Chattanooga with another renewal of pursual and I approached the city again. We had more legitimacy. We were on the cusp of becoming a tax-exempt organization at this time. The City Parks and Rec. people said that DuPont was on the front burner now and that we may have an opportunity. The soccer fields were under construction and there was a tract that was so wooded and dense and full of sinkholes and dead pines that they were not sure if anything could be done with it. They had no money left to help us. I told them it was perfect and that we just needed the land. We would do all the work and raise money for the baskets.

They drew up a lease that our lawyer adjusted for us and we began to layout a course and define our boundaries. The land was a jungle. We should have watched the making of the Panama Canal before we tackled this project. We could not use a dozer because of the delicacy of the sinkholes so we had to clear all 16 acres by hand- chainsaws and bladed weedeaters mostly. We had volunteer work weekends where we rented a chipper and pulled it through with an ATV. We had sold nine sponsorships to pay for the baskets and in about three months we had our front nine in… the last weekend of 2004.

The back nine went in a little easier. We could play and work and more people were coming out. Everything was coming together. There were 10- 15 cars almost every day. The soccer Moms were puzzled. Our web site kept things going smoothly and people were stepping up to help with tee signs and posts, sponsorships, equipment rental, and the very much needed physical labor.

It’s mid February of 2005 and we have 18 baskets in the ground. There are a few fairways that need some work. We need to spread more wood chips for our tee pads and get all the tee signs in, but we are close to being finished. The Mayor is coming out and we are dispersing our press releases in March for our Grand Opening. The City is going to complete a driveway and parking area for us and put “Disc Golf Course” on the sign out front.

The City of Chattanooga is about to be introduced to the great sport of Disc Golf. Our Club is planning clinics to help get people started in the sport. We have our first tournament planned for April. We have a sign up sheet on our message board for “Adopt-a-Hole”- a way that people who want to help can adopt a hole to take care of and help us finish out. We are looking for another site so when the DuPont course gets too crowded we will have another place nearby to go.

This is how we did it. I know there may be easier ways to get a course but for our circumstances it took all this to get it started. I am certain that our course will be a success and we will finish it out with concrete pads. Hopefully we can build a couple more with the help of the city or county. Contact us on our website if you have any questions or comments. We would like to help others just like others helped us. More disc golf is good.

Never give up.

[BobHarris]

If you found that interesting, you may want to check this out web page (http://www.chattanoogafdc.org/howto.htm)

and this
web page (http://www.chattanoogafdc.org/forkids.htm)

[BrokenPutt]

I have been doing a little research this morning about becoming a non-profit. It is definitely doable, but it is expensive. The post above is interesting because they have a lawyer. We can get a lawyer to prepare all of the paperwork for incorporation and to file our 501c3, again this is expensive. We also need to update our accounting processes if we are going to do this. Tax documents have to be filed with the state and the IRS every year. An accountant would be very helpful in the managing of the books, again more money. We need to discuss what is most important, and decide where to put our money. My opinion would be to spend the money we have to become a non-profit and begin operating as a legitimate business. Put new courses and such on hold, as completing this process will help in future endeavors. It can be done fairly quickly (not years as I have heard). I will try to get a copy of the incorporation documents and the 501c3 application for the next meeting for everyone to look at. Again having a lawyer prepare the documents protects the club and its members from errors and dramatically decreases the time and effort required. In my opinion it is worth the money. If anyone knows a tax lawyer or an account try to get them hooked on disc golf ASAP. We could use their help.

[3902]

Lotsa work.You also have to fall under certain guidelines.Educational or Charity.We found this to be too much to bite off for our purposes.It's just as easy to go Not For Profit and have sponsors write it off as advertising.(Much easier)
What is it you want to accomplish as Non Profit?
We had our treasurer working on this for quite some time.Joey is a very successful buisnessman.He looked at every angle and we trusted his opinion.It just didn't seem to be worth it.
We decided that there were other things we'd rather spend our time focusing on.Being Non Profit also (like you stated) takes alot of year after year IRS mumbo jumbo.Who has the time or money.
You guys do what you like,I'm just saying that we looked at it .And it wasn't for us.We weren't gaining anything.
It's tough enough just getting an association going and on the same page.Adding this to the pile carries an even heavier load.
My .02 cents.

[BrokenPutt]

There is no legal distinction between not-for-profit and non-profit. These 2 terms are used interchangeably. Were there any IRS or government forms associated with becoming not-for-profit? If so where could I find info on these documents. The Secretary of State doesn't have anything I could find, neither does the IRS. I'm interested to know exactly how WAFDA is setup. Are you incorporated? Not being incorporated leaves the person whose name is on the bank accounts responsible personally if there ever is an audit or any government action. Non-profit status is not just for educational or charitable purposes. The 501 c 7 is for private clubs (this doesn't apply to a disc golf club because our facilities are public), and there are a ton of different examples. I have been researching and talking to people who have a lot of experience starting non-profits. It isn't as hard as it is made out to be. I am not saying it is easy by any means, and it is expensive, but to protect the club and its members in the future I think it is necessary. Right now we don't deal with enough money for it to really make a difference, but in the future if we grow like we all hope it will be necessary. A lawyer is not necessary, but from what I have seen does make the process go more quickly and a lot smoother. Not to mention that they would have the answers to all the questions that it would take someone like me a day to answer. I would really like to know how some of the larger disc golf clubs are setup (those dealing with large amounts of money not necessarily a large membership base). I would bet that a lot of them have some sort of professional accounting. I think that if we expect other businesses to take our clubs seriously, it is time we organized. I have been looking at all of this for a while, but the story Bob posted confirmed what I had already thought. I am by no means an expert, and any info is greatly appreciated.

[3902]

Contact TDSA.Or ask someone like Wise or Forest.I'm sure Dave will see this post tomorrow and reply.You can at any time look over our work in this area.Let me know ahead of time and i'll get a copy of what we go by for you.I don't think TDSA is Non Profit.
We actually borrowed alot of what we're doing from the good neighbors of OK.
What your doing is on the right track.It's good to see you getting so involved Mayo.Keep it up.

[twoputtok]

Tom is right. The costs of not-for-profit vs. non-profit will make the decision much easier for you. A true Non-profit 501-c3 will require around $2,500 in filings and attorney's costs. That is just what it takes to set it up and that price doesn't include the accounting and reports of all donators that must be submitted each year and all of this information must be made available to the public, in a published form.

Not-for-profit will give you everything you need at virtually no costs. When soliciting donations, it is much easier to get monies from advertising budgets than it is from donations to a non-profit. Most companies that you will be dealing with are not even the size to have a fund set up for non-profits but even the mom & pop operations have money for advertising. When done this way, you don't have to report the individual donator either, leaving you much less work.

I had meetings with a group of non-profit/charitable attorneys. Their advice was that if you are not running more than $5K per year through the account, don't waste your time.

While your intentions of protecting the club and the members and obtaining non profit status are good intentions and worth exploring. I think you will find that simply filing with the Secretary of State for a Not-for-profit status and getting your FIN (Tax ID) will be the most ecomomical decision for the club as a whole. ;)

[BrokenPutt]

Tom is right. The costs of not-for-profit vs. non-profit will make the decision much easier for you. A true Non-profit 501-c3 will require around $2,500 in filings and attorney's costs. That is just what it takes to set it up and that price doesn't include the accounting and reports of all donators that must be submitted each year and all of this information must be made available to the public, in a published form.

Not-for-profit will give you everything you need at virtually no costs. When soliciting donations, it is much easier to get monies from advertising budgets than it is from donations to a non-profit. Most companies that you will be dealing with are not even the size to have a fund set up for non-profits but even the mom & pop operations have money for advertising. When done this way, you don't have to report the individual donator either, leaving you much less work.

I had meetings with a group of non-profit/charitable attorneys. Their advice was that if you are not running more than $5K per year through the account, don't waste your time.

While your intentions of protecting the club and the members and obtaining non profit status are good intentions and worth exploring. I think you will find that simply filing with the Secretary of State for a Not-for-profit status and getting your FIN (Tax ID) will be the most ecomomical decision for the club as a whole. ;)



I really appreciate the info! As a not-for-profit, do you still not have to file taxes every year on the income you do produce? It seems as though you would be running as a low income advertising agency. Are the taxes not required because income is so low (just like low income families)? Is the TDSA incorporated? Is not-for-profit recognized by the government or are you operating as a business with no profit? I cannot find anything within our state or the IRS that recognizes not-for-profit. It seems as though the book keeping would be necessary, no matter what, unless there is a level of income that is tax exempt.

[twoputtok]

Try this link
http://www.uacted.uark.edu/legalesource/index.html

As it states, you can file as a non-profit corp, but to have tax expemt status you must have that determination made by the IRS. This is pretty much what we have done. We are a not-for-profit Oklahoma Corp, with out tax exempt status.
The tax exempt status is what will require large amounts of annual paperwork.

[BrokenPutt]

talkin' with Bob, i think it would be easy enough to have the four out of towners just call in that night to a designated recipient...somebody will call them with the ballots and the time....they call the recipient (somewhat anonymously) with their votes.....it would be about the same if we posted...but this way i can pressure them into actually voting.....not to mention a last minute political jury rigging...that's right, you may not like it, and you'll never know if they voted for you because of something i said or not :eek:...now if we got paid for these board positions we could find some more complicated way, that was completely impartial, like sending punch tabs to florida for recounts...i think this will work just fine. I promise i'll do all of my blackmailing well before i call them to vote. :D Oh yeah, i might just accidentally forget to call Evan...he hates me. :D



Is this how this is gonna be done?

[ganzel]

I haven't received a better suggestion and this inaugural situation gives reason to vote on a standard for next year. I was going to ask Larry to receive the calls...he hasn't heard the voices of our out of towners yet...so i think...I'm really not too worried about our four out--of-towners' anonymity....I don't know if Adam knows anyone on the ballot but you (the name sounds familiar)...Evan and Tom will say who they vote for without being anonymous.....and i haven't even contacted Daigle about becoming a member....Your dad has the right to vote....though the info he receives may be a bit biased, so be it. Always business nothing personal, right. With the vote next tuesday...i just want everyone to get a chance to vote, and i want responsible, intelligent people in office willing to get what needs to be done, done. :D

[ganzel]

Since we're ruminating here.....Dave, do you know if the owners of the club are liable (if someone were to sue the club [because their child lost an ear while walking out at a course, and a roller from a tournament player goghs wild]). have you guys considered liability insurance, and, do you have players sign liability waivers? Or is this imaginary situation considered a normal danger of a disc golf course? i.e. if it's posted that this is a disc golf course....lawsuits tend to not holdup, walk at your own risk...(yeah, i have looked up some pretty funny court cases, disc golf has yet to be held liable, or a club, a few cities have had a tough time....there was a guy who was sledding and caught a alternate pin on his way down, :eek: yep, and you thought 15 was a crappy pole hole!)

[jeffash]

My name isn't Dave, but I want to ruminate.
If a disc golfer were found to have knowingly acted irresponsibily and those actions resulted in someone, or something, being injured, the player would be responsible.
In our case, the City would be responsible for any incident involving the physical equipment on the course- unless that piece of equipment had been moved by the Club without the knowledge of the City. Even then, the only culpable parties would probably be the people who were actually involved- not the Club.

[BrokenPutt]

These examples were not exactly what I was talking about when I was referring to personal liability. I was thinking more along the line of an IRS audit. In those cases the owner of the club would be responsible for paying any monies the club could not provide. That is if the club is not incorporated. Incorporation basically provides a financial shield for the owner or shareholders of a business. Granted, the odds are long, but still worth consideration. I was thinking more along the lines of a financial dispute rather than personal injury. I pretty much assumed personal injury falls outside of the club.

[3902]

;)

[BrokenPutt]

I also don't think my Dad should vote. It would basically be me voting twice, and I don't think that is acceptable. He really doesn't care.

[jeffash]

These examples were not exactly what I was talking about when I was referring to personal liability.


I was only responding to Ganzel's post. I'll just sit here and be quiet.

[BrokenPutt]

These examples were not exactly what I was talking about when I was referring to personal liability.


I was only responding to Ganzel's post. I'll just sit here and be quiet.



No. I want everyone to respond. I was just clarifying what I meant.

[jeffash]

;)

[twoputtok]

These examples were not exactly what I was talking about when I was referring to personal liability. I was thinking more along the line of an IRS audit. In those cases the owner of the club would be responsible for paying any monies the club could not provide. That is if the club is not incorporated. Incorporation basically provides a financial shield for the owner or shareholders of a business. Granted, the odds are long, but still worth consideration. I was thinking more along the lines of a financial dispute rather than personal injury. I pretty much assumed personal injury falls outside of the club.



I'm not sure on how to answer your question but I'll try. The TDSA is owned by the members and run by administrators, no President, Vice, Chairman. All administrators are equals. So for audit purposes, I'm not sure if it would be the treasurer, the administrators or the entire membership that is held liable. That would be a question for a tax attorney or maybe a CPA.

In addition to that, good freaking luck getting any money from a group of disc golfers. :D

[evandmckee]

In response to Mayo's question about incorporation, I know that down here WAFDA is incorporated as a not for profit, that way financially as I understand it, individuals would not be responsible but the association as its own entity would be, and yes to really clarify these questions you would need to speak with an attorney, I don't remember an exact amount but incorporating as a non profit (which our treasurer Joey did the leg work) was fairly affordable.

[ganzel]

You're welcome to plead the fifth....what can you say about taxes?

[ganzel]

In our case, the City would be responsible for any incident involving the physical equipment on the course


so they owe you a new XS....they installed the sign without consulting the club right in the fairway, right....oh, I think it's time to bring the spider monkey! :D

[evandmckee]

You're welcome to plead the fifth....what can you say about taxes?



I know that we do file with the IRS, this spring is of course the first time WAFDA has filed, It's really our treasurer's territory, he knows much more than I on this, he did state that we wouldn't have to pay in anything but I don't know where that line is that the club would have to pay in, sounds like ya'll got one heckuva long meeting coming up....I bet the "old business" part in March will be packed ;)

[racerb491]

CLUB MEETING TODAY ......

6pm..
Jones center in the tulsa room.

[ganzel]

CORRECTION:

The only room we could get is the New Orleans Party Room at 7pm (the cafeteria is still open)

[BobHarris]

ELECTION RESULTS JUST IN!

2007 NWADGA Board Members as follows:

Kelly Ganzel
Kelly Watson
Larry Quinones
Darrell Bailey
Jason Daniel
Barney Davis
Bob Harris

Thanks to all club members who participated in these elections!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[racerb491]

CLUB MEETING TODAY ......

6pm..
Jones center.



16 people voted, 13 present and 3 called in.

[3902]

Congrats to elected board members. :cool:

[twoputtok]

Looks like a solid board. Good work guys. ;)

[racerb491]

Looks like a solid board. Good work guys. ;)



Only time will tell. I'm pumped :D.

It would have been nice to have all current club members at the meeting to vote.

[3902]

Deep Breath!!! Now Hold It !!!! :D
You had who you needed apparently.
Looks like TwoKitty pegged it,Strong board.

[RonSTL]

Deep Breath!!! Now Hold It !!!! :D
You had who you needed apparently.
Looks like TwoKitty pegged it,Strong board.



I agree w/you NWDGA had what they needed :) It all starts w/leadership. I said in my earlier post the members might not like all the decisions but just go w/them. There are reasons for decisions and some are hard decisions. There are competent people on the board w/experience.

Peace from frigid ice land.

[Furthur]

That does look like a strong board. I look forward to seeing what you all come up with!

[BobHarris]

Current events/goals necessitate elections sooner than later for 2008. I propose elections take place 6pm December 11, 2007 at a place to be determined. This date coincides with the next scheduled club meeting. As stated previously, I desire to continue representing, if elected. As of yet, I have not heard from prospective candidates. Please post up concerns with the aforementioned proposal and suggestions for Board Members as you see fit. In my opinion, of those who have shown interest or served in the past, I would like to see these people consider a board position. In no particular order-Buck, Kyle, Dasun,Fish,DB,Watson, ASH. Barry Joe, Steve T., Chuck,Zach, Colin, Ganzel, Heath. Honorable mention-Eric, Larry Q., MAYO, Barney.
Just my thoughts-as always- open for suggestion. We need to get the ball rolling on several upcoming tasks such as the completion of JBHunt, 3rd annual Northshore invitational, possibly hosting Alma Greens,etc.
Also, If the offer still stood, I am a strong proponent of Mr. Ash being club liason for Northshore.

[BrokenPutt]

I will not be involved with the club next year. My name should be removed from the list.

[DaWookie]

Yea Bob my name should be removed from the list too. I didn't get my way this year so....... Oh wait it wasn't on there you guys are discriminating against hairy people again.

Ps for everyone that doesn't know me this post is a joke I don't want anyones feelings hurt.

[racerb491]

I will not be involved with the club next year. My name should be removed from the list.



will you be at the meeting to hand over the club money and papers?

[3902]

He spent the money on putting something in the papers. :eek: :D

[rhedd]

Well as long as he didn't use it to buy dope, or as an alternative to having a job.

[BrokenPutt]

I will not be involved with the club next year. My name should be removed from the list.



will you be at the meeting to hand over the club money and papers?



I will deliver all the cash as soon as I can get Barney to get to the bank so that we can close the accounts. Probably won't be at the meeting though. Hopefully soon though.

[racerb491]

what a shame :mad:

[BrokenPutt]

what a shame :mad:



Why do you say that? You're the one that said you wanted me out of you club. You're the one that chose to resort to name calling. I don't understand what is so shameful about me doing what you have asked. I mean I did a lot for this club. I understand that no one wants to admit that, but I did. Next year my efforts will be concentrated elsewhere, as you have requested.

[racerb491]

I will not be involved with the club next year. My name should be removed from the list.



you and barney are the club tressures. right? then if you both are not going to be in the club next year all i am requesting is that the club acct be closed and all money, paperwork, leftover shirts and tags be at the december meeting. thus a new tres. could be picked and life can move on.

[TeeBirdPoop]

I am willing to do whatever is needed of me to promote disc golf in NWA! :) Dang it I want a new course to play!!!!

[BobHarris]

I mean I did a lot for this club.



With all due respect Jason, would you remind me of the aforementioned achievements?

[3902]

He joined the club #1.
Participated in growth #2.
Handled a trusted position #3
Assisted in events #4
I don't know what the beef is between those two but it seems to me that Jason was an asset to the club.
Unlike some who come out of nowhere having JUST kinda done a little someting and ALWAYS targets people who do most the work.
Step up Heath,From my standpoint and over the last 3 years or better i've been around Jason has contributed 10 fold what you have.
All you seem to do is complain.
Typical.

[DaWookie]

As a third party, Mayo has helped out alot. He was always at minis, meetings(from what I've heard, I've never been, becauce I baby sit on tuesdays(chef)), has thrown events, has brought in sponsors, has brought new people into the sport, and most of all HE LOVES DISC GOLF. Lets let the past go and let's all get back together on our real mission of supporting disc golf. If new people in the sport are reading this drama do you think they really want to get involed. I have met alot of people in my travels and you are all great people here in this tight small community. It's a small fish tank and fins are going to brush but we got to deal with it. It is nice to live in a small town where everyone knows each other and has a close relationship with each other. Board members need to set examples, by leading by example, put personal difference aside and help promote our sport so that everyone can enjoy it the way we do. DON"T WE?

[DaWookie]

Whooooaaaaaa, Pitch why the dis on Heath he hasn't said anything on this matter. Let's stop blamin and disin and all get together to make this right. Together we are stronger. That was the problem up here in Fayetteville. COMUNICATION.

[BrokenPutt]

I mean I did a lot for this club.



With all due respect Jason, would you remind me of the aforementioned achievements?



That question doesn't sound very respectful, but here goes.

ace race (which i lost money on not the club)
minis
donated to lots of tourneys
got sponsorship items for lots of tourneys
attended EVERY meeting for over a year straight
attended every work day at JB Hunt (even father's day when Ganzel and I were the only ones there)
ran Mayo mini madness every Tuesday for 4 months just so everyone could have fun
i didn't make one single cent off the madness but in the end donated $50 out of my own pocket to the club
when i won the ace pot I seeded the pot with some of my winnings
let plastic go extremely cheap so that we could have something to play for in the tag match
donated free plastic to the tag match
attended every workday that I was aware of at Northshore


I think you get the picture.

Oh yeah, DOMINATED you every time I stepped on the course. :o

[rhedd]

No the problem goes way beyond communication, and the fact that you really have the nerve to make that comment Bob is really disappointing.

[BobHarris]

That question doesn't sound very respectful, but here goes.

ace race (which i lost money on not the club) <font color="red"> Don't recall you asking the club for assistance but do remeber the club offering assistance. </font>
minis <font color="red"> ? lot's of peole attend minis </font>
donated to lots of tourneys <font color="red"> Thats what we do </font>
got sponsorship items for lots of tourneys <font color="red"> 1 purpose of club members to promote the sport </font>
attended EVERY meeting for over a year straight <font color="red">sort of an obligation <font color="red">
attended every work day at JB Hunt (even father's day when Ganzel and I were the only ones there) <font color="red"> commendable </font>
ran Mayo mini madness every Tuesday for 4 months just so everyone could have fun <font color="red"> How'd that payout by the way, and what about those discs? </font>
i didn't make one single cent off the madness but in the end donated $50 out of my own pocket to the club <font color="red"> Commendable what were the payouts</font>
when i won the ace pot I seeded the pot with some of my winnings <font color="red"> Commendable again! </font>
let plastic go extremely cheap so that we could have something to play for in the tag match <font color="red"> Club owns plastic for this very purpose </font>
donated free plastic to the tag match <font color="red"> As would several if asked </font>
attended every workday that I was aware of at Northshore <font color="red"> As did many </font>


I think you get the picture. <font color="red"> The picture I have always had is ofsomeone very enthusiastic to be heard rather than recognized, frustrates easily, and quits when the going gets tough. </font>

Oh yeah, DOMINATED you every time I stepped on the course. <font color="red"> YOU are THE MAN! I'm a 49 year old fat man with a bad knee, previous back surgery, and 2 heart attacks. I win every time I play whether I finish DFL or not! </font>

[BobHarris]

Pitch-I'm Bob,NOT HEATH. A select few up here are trying keep a club together while another select few appear to be undermining genuine efforts. I'll say it again, and have recognized efforts in the past. golfers wanting to promote the sport are WELCOME in this club.

[BobHarris]

Zach, I'm man enough to admit I let frustration get the better part of me. To have such enthusiasm for the club after several lean years, only to see it wane. I have personally asked numerous people to step up and keep the spirit alive, we need to pull together, no doubt. At the same time, I have every intention of keeping this club alive, can't do it alone though. Disappointing anyone is not my goal, get enough of that every time I putt!

[rhedd]

Well we saw Mayo's list, here is another list of what another member of the club did this past year. FYI this wasn't Bob.


show up every weekend for other people to have a mini or put together a points series, start a monthly mini that travels around the courses that you get put in the ground, host a kids day, throw barbecues, order club membership packages, even get the whole state to join in on something that supports disc golf....i mean, shittt, i did it....with a little help from my friends, of course



I especially like the part where he states, "i did it....with a <u>little</u> help from friends."

Apparently this individual did all of that this past year, with a <u>little</u> help from some friends. I mean without him apparently this stuff wouldn't have happened, right?

This individual wants to take credit for everything. Everything the club does, everything anyone affiliated with the club does, everything. He obviously thinks he is bigger than the club and I'm sick of it, and so are alot of others, and I don't want to have anything to do with it.

[BrokenPutt]

Zach, I'm man enough to admit I let frustration get the better part of me. To have such enthusiasm for the club after several lean years, only to see it wane. I have personally asked numerous people to step up and keep the spirit alive, we need to pull together, no doubt. At the same time, I have every intention of keeping this club alive, can't do it alone though. Disappointing anyone is not my goal, get enough of that every time I putt!



Maybe you should be man enough to admit you let frustration get the better part of you twice! I had never said anything about you, yet you come at me. You say you wanna keep things together, yet you make posts like the ones above. Something doesn't add up. If you were involved in the payouts for the madness you would've known what they were(Kyle, Barney, Ty and Zach can tell you what they were paid). If you had shown up like a select few you would have been paid out. Like I said I donated out of my own pocket. That's just a short list of things I have done, but obviously you have done so much more than me. You obviously don't need help. That said, the NWADGA is dead. Too bad you can't see that. There are twice as many people here that want nothing to do with that club as those that do. How many board members are there now that don't wanna mess with this club anymore. I know 4 have told me personally that they will not be doing this next year. That's more than half of the BOARD OF DIRECTORS. See the problem?? Obviously not. The donkey is almost dead, I'm loading the gun. Last post responding to any of this or club stuff. I'm done.

MAYO OUT!!!!!
/msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :mad::cool::) :( :o :D :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :confused: :D;) :p

P.S. Who should I mail the club funds to? You, Darrell, or Ganzel (seems like that is all that is left)? Just give me an address and I will mail it.

[rhedd]

It's gonna be like 2006 all over again, that money is gonna disappear into Ganzel's sock drawer.

[ganzel]

Disc Golf is a more important cause than this.


USDGC series will be posted soon, JB Hunt's first basket is on order, tags are being toiled over, still hunting down more TD's, doing a walk through in bentonville soon and basket assemblies are bought they are awaiting poles, collecting another JB sponsor tomorrow, looking at aerials of siloam springs for an excited chamber of commerce, found out today that the eleven out-in-the-open teepads have been ordered for Northshore (sounds a bit like a trial run and still looking for the best tree root option), and Elections........boy, if all this isn't a reason to jump in the fun of club life i don't what is!!!!!

[ganzel]

And please excuse me, disc golf is not a cause to everyone.

Love, Forgive, and Let it Go

now get outta here, go Play!, most fun wins!

[Heath]

Pitch-I'm Bob,NOT HEATH. A select few up here are trying keep a club together while another select few appear to be undermining genuine efforts. I'll say it again, and have recognized efforts in the past. golfers wanting to promote the sport are WELCOME in this club.



Not sure what you mean by the comment that you are Bob-NOT Heath. Rather than take offense, I'll let you explain. It is my sincere hope that you are not insinuating that I am undermining yours or anyones efforts.

As far as consideration for a Board spot. DO NOT consider me. Travel obligations will prevent me from effectively participating as a Board member, if there is to be a Board.

Sometime this weekend I will send you a response to the PM you sent me over Thanksgiving. I will be making every effort possible to bring together a bigger, better Branchwood Open. I am also beginging preparations for another event similiar to Branchwood to be held sometime this spring. When I decide on a final date I will let everyone know (tenatively looking mid-late March or early April).

[Heath]

He joined the club #1.
Participated in growth #2.
Handled a trusted position #3
Assisted in events #4
I don't know what the beef is between those two but it seems to me that Jason was an asset to the club.
Unlike some who come out of nowhere having JUST kinda done a little someting and ALWAYS targets people who do most the work.
Step up Heath,From my standpoint and over the last 3 years or better i've been around Jason has contributed 10 fold what you have.
All you seem to do is complain.
Typical.


Tom, please explain why you feel the need to directly attack me with your comments. Maybe you should ask Jason/Mayo IF there is an issue between us. I am not aware of one.

I have not targeted anyone, have not JUST done a little something, nor have I asked for any credit for the little something that I did do. And if I am such a negative influence then I would strongly suggest that you specificaly stop addressing me or involving me in your posts.

And your comment that over the last 3 years or better that Jason has contributed 10 fold more than I. I am honestly glad to hear that you are making an attempt at higher math.

All I do is complain - only in response to your ludicris postings.

Typical? The only thing typical is your blind attacks without basis. At least my initial beef with you over vanishing Skins money was valid. Everything since between the two of us has been unneccesary flaming of issues to no end.

Can we please stop?

[BrokenPutt]

Love me some Heath!! Even helped put the clothes on his back.

[3902]

Oh it was Bob?
Well i'll apoligize for the shots then.My bad.
This whole mess is enough without my dumb A gettin involved.
Again sorry about the misdirected shot.(But your original beef was accusing me of being a liar and theif.That could have something to do with my disliking you.Just a simple point)
I will say one thing then i'm out of it.
I see a really good thing falling to pieces.
Too F'N bad.

[evandmckee]

The mess...age board, Such drama, we need a reality show, this could take DG to the big time :( :confused: :p

[ganzel]

Unfortunately "As the Hog Turns" only shows reruns. :D:D:D Imagine what would be if people could "turn the other cheek" and focus all this energy into going to the YMCA and showing kids about disc golf. Soon, there will be more courses, and with that, more people, and a few of those will take the opportunity to give back. Nothing feels as good as seeing the smile on a child's face, especially the one when they make their first putt. Thank you to everyone who have, and who are- giving.

[LarryQuinones]

Oh where is the love? I just want to let people know that words are powerful things and we all need to direct our differences where they belong and with discretion. In other words, if someone has a problem with someone, walk up to that person and ask some questions. PM that person, or call them. This is a public forum and people get nasty just to save face. I'm reading a lot of assumptions, defensiveness, and just plain miscommunication.
The reality is that we all contribute to this sport and in many different ways. Some in club positions, some by bringing new players to the field, some by hosting events, and many others just by playing the sport. I've served on small bodies like the NWADGA before and the drama is inevitable. We are having a flare up of bad vibes and we will get past it. When the dust settles, people will pick things up and carry on. The question is how many friends will we lose in the process. A while back I got into a pissin contest on this board. I learned from it. It won't happen again. Gotta go.

[3902]

Yeah your right,
My time and energy is better spent on people who appreciate it.(Not that it wasn't totally unappreciated with the disc golf community)
This is why my efforts have been directed towards a diffrent cause.BACA(Bikers Against Child Abuse)
It's a huge association dedicated to helping kids.I'm putting together a massive event for this summer.A Poker Run at lake tenkiler.One by water one by land.
I expect to see a couple thousand on this weekend.
These folks won't be so quick to nit pick at our efforts and i'm sure everyone will appreciate it.EVERYONE.
I do want to thank you guys for the oppurtunity to organize events and actually see that I can have a vision and make it happen.(Seriously it helped)
Now I step onto a larger stage and put my skills to yet another test.
Sponsors are being sought,The agenda is in place,Everything i'm doing runs along the same lines of planning an event or SERIES of events.
If anybody is interested in some pure selfless giving of a diffrent nature find me.I'll put you on the board and we'll watch this baby become a giant.
I see a Bikes Blues&amp; BBQ type of thing hapening here. (Just on the lake.)
Oh and there's a ton of toy runs happeing this time of year.We had one yesterday.Probably 200 bikes.
VERY VERY COOL. ;)

[ganzel]

Just a reminder, Elections will be held at this month's meeting, Tuesday December 11th, at the Jones Center. If you interested and cannot make it, or for any questions give me a call.....479-530-1536.

[jeffash]

Just a reminder, Elections will be held at this month's meeting, Tuesday December 11th, at the Jones Center. If you interested and cannot make it, or for any questions give me a call.....479-530-1536.



I was getting ready to post the following, when I read the above post. My post would now seem to be pointless, but I still think it would be the right thing to do. The current club members (2007) have already elected a Board. Why have them vote again, two weeks before their 2007 membership expires, in order to elect the 2008 Board? Let's see who renews, or joins, for 2008, and let them vote for the Board.

Anyway, here's what I wrote before I had read Kelly's post about the elections being held this month-

"Rumors claiming that the NWADGA is “dead” are unfounded, and should be ignored.
While it may be true that the Board is in disarray, the club still has it’s most important assets- it’s current members (and any prospective members). The club also has considerable cash, and other tangible assets, not to mention a commitment to the City of Springdale.
I’m assuming the next Board elections won’t be held until February, like they were last year. The focus, now, should be on getting our current members to renew for 2008, and to attract new club members.
That said, I’d then suggest that any members that are current for 2008, and want to run for a Board position, must declare their intent by January 31, 2008. A list of candidates would then be issued February 1, 2008, and members would then have some time to consider the candidates before casting their votes later that month. Again, just a suggestion.
I don’t want to be a 2008 Board member, but I do want to renew my membership for 2008. I also have the membership fees and registration information for seven (7) new members for 2008."

I'm not sure what to think now...

[racerb491]

thanks jeff.

[Stacey]

Wow! Never knew there was so much drama. Ya'll sound like a bunch of girls. :eek:
But I was glad to read what Jeff had to say. I think his suggestion is a great. And I will become a member of NWADGA in 2008. Losing the club would be sad and I think a big mistake.

Anyway, I think all you guys are awesome. All of you support ladies disc golf. Encourage ladies disc golf. And show respect for us ladies at tournaments and on the course. And I thank all of ya'll for that.

[DaWookie]

Great Job Jeff on getting 7 new members. I am going to set a goal for myself to bring in 10 new members by Jan 30th. I encourage you all to follow by Jeff's example and try to bring in as many new members as possible. The winner of this challenge will be DISC GOLF, and everyone who plays it. How do I renew???

[evandmckee]

Jeff speaks wisely, as important as a strong board for this association is, perhaps it shouldn't be rushed

[ganzel]

This response will be up shortly, i have written an explanation that perhaps should have gone up first, i apologize. This explanation is saved on my computer and awaiting evaluation while I go play my Birthday round of golf. :D:D Everyone is invited!

[rhedd]

as important as a strong board for this association is, perhaps it shouldn't be rushed




Ganzel will do whatever Ganzel wants to do.

[DaWookie]

"Ganzel will do whatever Ganzel wants to do."

And you will continue to whine and not do anything. Rock the vote and run for pres it you don't like whats going on.

[rhedd]

Whine? I just don't like how the election changes from February to December just because Bob and Ganzel say so.

[ganzel]

This is a concise explanation from Bob.

"Given the extenuating circumstances referenced repeatedly in previous posts referencing the state of affairs of the NWADGA, a quorum unanimous vote of the current participating REMAINING board members necessitated an emergency election for intersested members an opportunity to elect an emergency quorum to facilitate the immediate tasks which require financial, logistical, membership, charter, etc. club decisions. Also, as previously posted, the date of this emergency election is set at the same time as the next club meeting. 2nd Tuesday of December, Jones Center, 6pm
Open requests, personal requests, phone requests, pm's, were all utilized to generate interest for prospective board members to announce their intentions, if so inclined.
This emergency election does not dismiss the probability of regularly scheduled club elections, rather, better represents current and prospective NWADGA members at a time when decisions must continue to be made, in the club's, and area disc golfers, immediate best interest. Please remember our commitments to Promote Disc Golf, our commitiments to club members, The Cities of Springdale, Fayetteville, Bentonville, and Siloam Springs. "

This is a slightly more detailed explanation.... guided by the questions of a responsible club member.


Dec.11 is an emergency election to provide an interim Board of Directors capable of making business decisions through this awkward transistion from now until normal elections are held. A lot of extra work, but this is the best option generated by the current board, and... so it is not just Bob and I for the next three months.

"The current club members (2007) have already elected a Board."

-Three members of that board have left office. Two of those were treasurers. Currently there is no access to club funds. With that, until the club money is received as promised by mail, and until new treasurers are elected, and a new bank account is established there can be no financial decisions made, and no additions to the current club membership benefit package (that's why this year you get club membership along with a State Tag for $10). Plans to host a non-sanctioned preview tourny at JB (which include costs), the purchase of CFR promotional/ fund raising discs, purchasing a hole at JB, and planning for the Northshore Invitational financially cannot currently be carried out (two of the current four board members wish to not be on the board and not make any financial decisions from here on), (not to mention drawing up the 2008 Plan-of-Action [additional tourny schedule, kids days, pro video clinic, etc.] for the club). As a last action of the existing quorom we voted to host an emergency election due to extenuating circumstances.

"Why have them vote again, two weeks before their 2007 membership expires, in order to elect the 2008 Board? Let's see who renews, or joins, for 2008, and let them vote for the Board."

-We currently have no tags to offer new members. While it is not unreasonable to think that people wish to support the club unconditionally, most in the past have thought that voting rights and a membership benefit package were two immediate and tangible gratifications. That being said what we can offer now is voting rights. If we wait until tags are in and wait to have a new board until Februaury, the club potentially loses three months. Again, emergency action is deemed necessary by extenuating circumstances..........To keep moving on, we need to act now!


"Rumors claiming that the NWADGA is “dead” are unfounded, and should be ignored."

"While it may be true that the Board is in disarray, the club still has it’s most important assets- it’s current members (and any prospective members). The club also has considerable cash, and other tangible assets, not to mention a commitment to the City of Springdale.
I’m assuming the next Board elections won’t be held until February, like they were last year. The focus, now, should be on getting our current members to renew for 2008, and to attract new club members."

-I and the other board members agree that membership is the current focus, and our most respected asset are our club members, however and once again, tags are not in yet. We, as all club members do, still have a commitment to the city of Springdale.....and Fayetteville, Bentonville,Bella Vista, Jasper, Siloam Springs, and all of the communities interested in Disc Golf in Northwest Arkansas. We do have some club plastic and other tangible assets (like extra sleeves that are currently in my possession), and some of these assets are still in the possession of the treasurers that have left office(unsold tags, t-shirts, tools bought for JBHunt, and some other club plastic). There is no money until that money is received from the current treasurers that have left and a new account setup, which requires a new board being elected to elect new treasurers .

"That said, I’d then suggest that any members that are current for 2008, and want to run for a Board position, must declare their intent by January 31, 2008. A list of candidates would then be issued February 1, 2008, and members would then have some time to consider the candidates before casting their votes later that month. Again, just a suggestion.
I don’t want to be a 2008 Board member, but I do want to renew my membership for 2008. I also have the membership fees and registration information for seven (7) new members for 2008."

-That is how things ran last year, and How Things Will Continue!!! Dec.11 is an emergency election to provide an interim Board of Directors capable of making this awkward transistion from now until normal elections are held.
Yes, there is still a choice between three months of no action other than the membership drive (with the immediate questions rasied-who collects the money, which two people open the account; it all comes down to managing money) or, the 2007 members still possess their voting rights and can vote for a temporary board to handle the next three months of business. I would love to have every member present at a meeting but this is unlikely (unless we're throwing a b-tier that day), i have and am currently calling every member to inform them of our current extentuating circumstances and ask if they are interested in being involved in the club as a board member. This forum is one of the places to disclose candidacy, over the phone is another, i've made my number available. The current plan is for anyone who can, to make the meeting on Dec. 11th to vote or be elected in person......it is asked of board members to be present at the club meetings held the second tuesday of every month at the Jones Center. Because we lead busy lives being present is not always possible at which point stable communication, (a phone call or at least returning a phone call), is all that is required. All club decisions are discussed openly, and voted on with a majority vote being needed for any decision to be made and acted on. With all that being said...if you want to be on the club board let us know here, or call me if i haven't called you first. This information should be spread by all club members to all club members (most of whom are not on this forum). Not all will agree with this decision, but it has been made by the current board you elected. Voting will once again be as formal as we can make it....mail does not work well, nor do we have time and it is an expense that cannot be afforded. Other than ballots which you must be present at the meeting to mark, we allowed out-of-staters and out-of-towners to vote last year over the phone, the same voting system seems to be the only option currently.

[twoputtok]

Hey if it were easy, everyone would want to do it. ;)

Keep up the efforts!

Where can I get a membership form?

[RonSTL]

Hey if it were easy, everyone would want to do it. ;)

Keep up the efforts!

Where can I get a membership form?



HERE HERE, Keep truckin G!

[evandmckee]

Ganzel's posting of Bob's concise explanation sounds reasonable and very realistic, good communication and imo a responsible move, keep it going up there, its at a critical time, with new courses ya'll gotta stay moving on them


I would love to have every member present at a meeting but this is unlikely (unless we're throwing a b-tier that day)



most profound thing I've ever read on the board :)

I'm in for maintaining NWADGA membership for 08'

[jeffash]

Dec.11 is an emergency election to provide an interim Board of Directors capable of making this awkward transistion from now until normal elections are held.



It would have been useful to have mentioned that in the original post announcing the elections.
The words "emergency" and "interim" would have explained the rationale for the remaining board members deciding to fill the vacant spots, and would have let us know that the February elections would still be held.

[evandmckee]

so..........any people wanting to be an "Interim Board Member"???

there's always plenty that needs done, a time of limbo would slow productivity, like planting baskets for instance

[BobHarris]

Food for Thought

Amending the charter in some fashion to include elected alternates, who could step in any future early/unanticipated vacancies/emergency situations?

[racerb491]

i would like to nominate
kelly ganzel
bob harris
heath whitley
larry quinones
barry joe rogers
randel reisner
bill senn

i will be unable to make it on tuesday but will vote by phone.

i encourage all club members to vote.

[bulldog399]

I thought you guys decided on 5 members on the board?

[BobHarris]

2. Offices
a. Board of Administrators
The Board of Administrators will preside over the Club meetings and direct the overall activity of Club functions. Administrators will decide on club activities through majority voting. There will be <font color="red">seven </font> elected administrators

[Heath]

Is it not possible that maybe more people are interested in being involved than there are #'s of positions? Hence the need for an election rather than a volunteering?

Have you renewed your membership yet? I've got a member tag, member info sheet and membership benefits sheet in my truck if you'd like to renew.

[bulldog399]

Heath I am waiting to renew. If I feel that things have changed and there is a new board then I will renew. I am not doing anything until after the election. I have to see what happens first. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[rhedd]

Heath I am waiting to renew. If I feel that things have changed and there is a new board then I will renew. I am not doing anything until after the election. I have to see what happens first. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Same here.

[Heath]

I was unable to find us a suitable alternate location for the meeting and election. see ya'll tonight at 6.

Heath

[keldog]

who won?

[twoputtok]

I thought you were there? :confused:

[Randal]

couple of email votes in question waiting to be added

[twoputtok]

So two email votes will decide the election?

[Randal]

yes, last I saw there was a 3 way tie for the last seat

[DaWookie]

Results????? Do we have another Florida on our hands?

[Randal]

yeah some Chad guy kept hanging around

[BrokenPutt]

Not enough fingers and toes?

[racerb491]

who won?



RECOUNT MAYBE? :eek: :D:p

[Heath]

I pencil whipped you worthless fools every way I could think of and we still ended up with a tie. Results have been e-mailed to all of the members of the NWADGA along with some suggestions/options I hope everyone will consider.

I want to thank everyone that showed up and excercised their right as members to vote and participate last night whether it was in person, by phone, or e-mail.

This club is going to move forward and be succesfull.

We as a club are going to improve our current courses, expand and install new courses and grow our sport in the area.

And we are going to be harmonious about it.

OK, I can work with just the first two positive statements, third one is a pipe dream and anybody that thinks everything has to always be harmonious to be productive needs to wake up.

Peace through Plastic,
Heath

[BrokenPutt]

Just wondering if you could post the election results. I may be interested in joining the club, and would like to know who the elected leaders are. Thanks.

[Heath]

Gladly. There were 6 positions filled by vote and the 7th positon resulted in a tie between two candidates that both recieved votes from more than 50% of the membership.

The charter will need a bit of ammending, but I think 8 board members is fine, it will just take 5 votes for a majority if all 8 members are in attendance. ( Thanks for that suggestion Evan). Good problem to have to deal with.

All that said the board members including ties are: Darrell Bailey, Kelly Ganzel, Bob Harris, Jason Redcliff, Randal Reisner, Bill Senn, Larry Quinones, Heath Whitley

[BrokenPutt]

Who was tied for the last spot? Why no run-off?

Also, if there is a 50/50 split on a vote does the motion fail or will you guys have to go all 12 angry men (8 really I guess)?

[parrothead]

Folks, been "debating" on whether I should weigh in but as one of the Lucky Tie-Votees, I want to say if you have this many people who WANT to be here, who want to work on developing more courses, better courses, and adding more Am's (like me) who want to learn the sport, I would hope the Club body would see fit to allow one more Volunteer to jump in and contribute time to the advancement of the Sport. If there is any reason why only 7 can be on the board, I will still work as hard or harder than anyone to help the club share our passion and sport with NorthWest Arkansas. Guess the Supreme Court has to settle this Vote!

[TeeBirdPoop]

I have a couple of suggestions for you as far as business go. I'll send you a PM.

[Heath]

Eight is a nice comfy number and I welcome the new found interest. I'm no supreme court justice-but my decision would read much to the effect of allowing 8 members on the board.

[DaWookie]

I like the number 8 also in regards to the amount of board members(more people more work). On the other hand I do have an issue with the # 8 when its on my scorecard.

[racerb491]

8 is fine

[Randal]

Eight is a nice comfy number and I welcome the new found interest. I'm no supreme court justice-but my decision would read much to the effect of allowing 8 members on the board.

I'll second that