ADGA Elections

[gregbrowning]

This topic is probably worthy of its own thread, and some people might have missed it in the other one, so here you go.

I am running for Director of Membership/Communication. Let me propose this question to those of you that plan on voting: What would you like to see this person do that might be "above and beyond" the described role? If I somehow manage to gather enough votes from all of the ADGA members that have no idea who I am, I would happily take any suggestions for how we can do things better.

*steps off platform*

[gregbrowning]

In case you didn't see it in that "other thread".

From Jason C:


Arlington Disc Golf Association
Club Directors Positions

The ADGA is preparing to form a Board of Directors to help disperse the duties of the club, create a checks-and-balance system, and advance the club’s unity. If any of these positions interest you, please notify Terry Toolen no later than Sunday, January 14, 2007. On that day, prior to the weekly mini, all volunteers for the Director positions will have a chance to present themselves, and say why they would like to hold a seat on the Board of Directors. Ballots will be available no later than Sunday, January 21, 2007. You will be able to pick up a ballot at any ADGA mini, or download the ballot on-line, and email your votes to theadgavote@yahoo.com. All Votes will be tallied on Saturday, February 17, 2007. Results will be presented at the ADGA Sunday Mini the next day.


Vice-Chairman of the Board:
The Vice-Chairman shall assist the Chairman/President and shall be second in charge when ever the Chairman is not available. The Vice- Chairman shall be a PDGA member and official and is to be a standing Director elected by the Board of Directors. The Vice – Chairman will also have the duties of sergeant-at-arms during club meetings.

Director of Finance (Treasurer):
Prepare the budget, present it to the board for approval, and ensure that club activities adhere to the budget.
Maintain accurate financial records.
Transact business through the bank.
Inform the club of its financial strengths and weaknesses.
File appropriate forms with the Internal Revenue Service by February 15.
Disburse funds and pay bills promptly as approved by the board of directors.
Reconcile bank statements.
Bill members for unpaid dues.
Deposit club funds.

Director of Membership/Communication (Secretary):
The Membership Director shall oversee all aspects of membership including but not limited to: collection of dues, maintaining a club database, correspondence with members, and regular projects to help grow the Club. This officer shall oversee the Club web site and maintain the Club email address. The Club shall pay for all service charges.

Director of Promotions:
The Promotions Director shall be responsible for Club public relations. This includes notifying media of special events and contacts with the respective Parks departments. This officer shall coordinate fund raising efforts with Event Directors for specific events and shall accept applications and appoint leaders and staff for special clinics and promotions. The Promotions Director will also be responsible for preparing the club newsletter.

Director of Facilities:
The Facilities Director shall be responsible for course maintenance, course improvements and course development. This officer shall conduct monthly clean-up and maintenance projects as well as coordinating work with the respective parks departments. All course modifications must be approved by a referendum vote by the membership.


Thank you; to all the Arlington Disc Golf Association club members for your continuing dedication and support to the club. This is your chance to be heard!

[my_hero]

*Steps on platform*

Bravo! Way to step up Greg. BTW, who are you? :D

*Steps off platform*

______________________<---- insert laughter here

u so funny hero

[my_hero]

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[gregbrowning]

nobody can hijack a serious thread faster than My_Hero :D:p

[my_hero]

<marquee> Ummm, i think Lee drifted first. I just made my text "drift." Also,............................................. .................nevermind. :D</scrolling marquee>

nobody can hijack a serious thread faster than My_Hero :D:p



Second!

Next thing you know , we will be working on 99 bottles of beer ......

[gregbrowning]

Trying to get back on topic a little bit...

I have solicited ideas from a few people and they have all had great suggestions. Obviously it would be a bit of a time crunch to promise that I would be able to do all of these things, but I will tell you that I would do my best, and put in as much time as I can to make the Vet and the club as a whole better.

A few of the ideas that I was given:

Monthly emails with club communication
Regular website updates with results, event calendars, scorecards, and maybe even current pin placements
Regular snail mail communication perhaps quarterly
Communication with the Dallas disc golf community at large
Publicity for the VPO and other Arlington events
Communication with the city and Parks Dept.

A few ideas that I have come up with on my own:

A long term goal of mine is to try and talk the city into allowing the installation of another course in Arlington. To this end, I will be trying to get involved and attend city council meetings and try to meet with the higher-ups in the Parks Dept.
Communication with casual players that play at the Vet. I have noticed that the bulletin board has fallen by the wayside. I intend to change that. The PDGA has a number of great informative fliers and info sheets that would be great to put up there. This would also be a great chance to advertise to casual players that might not even know that the ADGA is around and that we hold weekly minis and other events.

/soapbox

[lauranovice]

you have high ambitions
and I wish you the best of luck

/soapbox???

what the hell is that ?

[my_hero]

Trying to get back on topic a little bit...

I have solicited ideas from a few people and they have all had great suggestions. Obviously it would be a bit of a time crunch to promise that I would be able to do all of these things, but I will tell you that I would do my best, and put in as much time as I can to make the Vet and the club as a whole better.

A few of the ideas that I was given:

Monthly emails with club communication
Regular website updates with results, event calendars, scorecards, and maybe even current pin placements
Regular snail mail communication perhaps quarterly
Communication with the Dallas disc golf community at large
Publicity for the VPO and other Arlington events
Communication with the city and Parks Dept.

A few ideas that I have come up with on my own:

A long term goal of mine is to try and talk the city into allowing the installation of another course in Arlington. To this end, I will be trying to get involved and attend city council meetings and try to meet with the higher-ups in the Parks Dept.
Communication with casual players that play at the Vet. I have noticed that the bulletin board has fallen by the wayside. I intend to change that. The PDGA has a number of great informative fliers and info sheets that would be great to put up there. This would also be a great chance to advertise to casual players that might not even know that the ADGA is around and that we hold weekly minis and other events.

/soapbox




<marquee> You've got my vote thus far GREG~!....for whatever that's worth. :D</scrolling marquee>

get back to work john

[my_hero]

What a sec........

You're running against Ginneta? Nevermind what i said earlier. :D

" there all gonna laugh at you "
" there all gonna laugh at you "
" there all gonna laugh at you "
" there all gonna laugh at you "
" there all gonna laugh at you "
" there all gonna laugh at you "
" there all gonna laugh at you "
" there all gonna laugh at you "
:D:D:D:D:D

[Big E]

How long will the elected officials be in office until there is another election? I think we need to change it up so we can get some fresh idea's. Doc B you have my vote!

[gregbrowning]

For those of you that are open-minded, I also want to introduce one other thing that you may find to be important in your choice of Director of Membership/Communication. Some of you may read this as me blowing smoke, and to those of you that see it that way, I have no recourse but to continue to try and demonstrate my dedication.

I have always had aspirations to be in positions of leadership personally and professionally. I have given serious thought to this, and this year I will be putting together a fundraising campaign to run for Arlington City Council in 2008. Admittedly, disc golf in this city is only a fraction of my agenda for wanting to get involved, but it is there. I don't know if I stand any chance at winning a seat, but I do want to get involved. I know this sounds like it is out of left field, but I know it could only help our position with the city to have an active city council member sitting on the board of the club.

Again, all I can do is try and tell you all my desires and dedication at this point, since you don't have a frame of reference for how I will perform. Hopefully, you will be willing to take a shot with a relative unknown to move beyond the status quo.

fresh meat for the club!
Dinners ready boys!

If I were a member, I would vote for ......

Tough call

[gregbrowning]

fresh meat for the club!
Dinners ready boys!



All I can do is live up to promises and hope that my actions can change the mindset of the club members so that they are disgruntled and ready to rip into the leadership for every little issue that crops up.

[discgolfdog]

For those of you that are open-minded, I also want to introduce one other thing that you may find to be important in your choice of Director of Membership/Communication. Some of you may read this as me blowing smoke, and to those of you that see it that way, I have no recourse but to continue to try and demonstrate my dedication.

I have always had aspirations to be in positions of leadership personally and professionally. I have given serious thought to this, and this year I will be putting together a fundraising campaign to run for Arlington City Council in 2008. Admittedly, disc golf in this city is only a fraction of my agenda for wanting to get involved, but it is there. I don't know if I stand any chance at winning a seat, but I do want to get involved. I know this sounds like it is out of left field, but I know it could only help our position with the city to have an active city council member sitting on the board of the club.

Again, all I can do is try and tell you all my desires and dedication at this point, since you don't have a frame of reference for how I will perform. Hopefully, you will be willing to take a shot with a relative unknown to move beyond the status quo.


I would definitely vote for you, if I only lived in Arlington. I can tell everybody I know in Arlington to vote for you though.

[vinnie]

You sound good.......
And if you win....I want you to know i'll be the first to point out your short comings and what you are doing best......I am kinda like that and if you win.....you will get to know that better :D

[gregbrowning]

You sound good.......
And if you win....I want you to know i'll be the first to point out your short comings and what you are doing best......I am kinda like that and if you win.....you will get to know that better :D



I welcome any feedback, positive or negative.

My whole goal in all of this is not to irritate the folks that are currently running the show, but rather to inject fresh energy and hopefully fresh ideas to try and make things better.

[24460]

Greg....keep trying to get involved and good things will happen.

[gregbrowning]

Greg....keep trying to get involved and good things will happen.



That's the way I am looking at it. I just mailed off my application to become a member of the Citizen's Board for Parks & Recreation in Arlington.

Even if people decide with their ADGA votes that they are okay with the status quo, that will not preclude me from staying involved and doing whatever I can to help.

[Stevinnova]

DocB is an expert on "members."

[my_hero]

............night, one more night
I've been trying ooh so long to let you know
Let you know how I feel
And if I stumble if I fall, just help me back
So I can make you see

Please give me one more night, give me one more night
One more night cos I can't wait forever
Give me just one more night, oh just one more night
Oh one more night cos I can't wait forever

I've been sitting here so long
Wasting time, just staring at the phone
And I was wondering should I call you
Then I thought maybe you're not alone

Please give me one more night, give me just one more night
Oh one more night, cos I can't wait forever
Please give me one more night, ooh just one more night
Oh one more night, cos I can't wait forever
Give me one more night, give me just one more night
Ooh one more night, cos I can't wait forever

Like a river to the sea
I will always be with you
And if you sail away
I will follow you

Give me one more night, give me just one more night
Oh one more night, cos I can't wait forever
I know there'll never be a time you'll ever feel the same
And I know it's only words
But if you change your mind you know that I'll be here
And maybe we both can learn

Give me just one more night, give me just one more night
Ooh one more night, cos I can't wait forever
Give me just one more night, give me just one more night
Ooh one more night, cos I can't wait forever
_____________________________________


Sorry, i just had to get that song out of my head! Just to stay on topic so i don't get blamed for <font color="green">HI</font>jacking this thread again, i'd like to thank everyone running for ANY position(s).

Can I run for the missionary position ?

[gregbrowning]

Can I run for the missionary position ?



Not unless you are a current member. :eek:

Got me !

[jasonc]

The only information that I have on people running for a position is what has been e-mailed to theadgavote@yahoo.com . If you have contacted Toolen or someone else has told him of your interest to run it has not been communicated to me. I'll be out at the park on Sunday to take info on people that are interested in getting involved.

[vinnie]

bring out some food......maybe you can trick a few people in getting involved ;)

[seewhere]

bring beer and you can really trick them :D

So how many contenders do we have for the up coming ADGA elections?
I would assume that a club with this much history would have a horde of peeps trying to get elected into office..

Just curious. Honestly , I am not getting a good vibe about this . It does not seem that many people are interested .

Feedback?

[sandalman]

why is that surprising? there are a sizable number of folks who would rather keep it more low key and not try to become the 5th largest event in pdga history or whatever. they just wanna play disc at a nice local park.

besides, if we have jason, ginetta, docb, discboomer (anyone i am forgetting) running, we have 4 members out of 100 (?).. 4%. in the most recent PDGA election we had 5 candidates out of about 10,000 Members. maybe we are getting a good interest level after all.

[gregbrowning]

why is that surprising? there are a sizable number of folks who would rather keep it more low key and not try to become the 5th largest event in pdga history or whatever. they just wanna play disc at a nice local park.

besides, if we have jason, ginetta, docb, discboomer (anyone i am forgetting) running, we have 4 members out of 100 (?).. 4%. in the most recent PDGA election we had 5 candidates out of about 10,000 Members. maybe we are getting a good interest level after all.



too bad discboomer is not a current ADGA member :eek:

Pat, you make a good point . But, if that is the club mentality ( not assuming that you speak for the club ) why
have a director of promotions ? Promote what , people in the park playing disc golf ? That already happens out there. I was under the impression that this club wanted to move forward. Perhaps I have been misinformed .

2nd - I will not be a member of a club that is established as a D.B.A. , my money goes to a club, not a chairperson of a club. My dues will be paid, assuming I choose to be involved .I understand that the A.O.I have to be completed B4 Non profit status can be initiated , but my dues will not be paid untill that becomes a reality. PERIOD.

in the most recent PDGA election we had 5 candidates out of about 10,000 Members. maybe we are getting a good interest level after all.



I always wondered how you got elected to your position :D

[my_hero]

It was my understanding that "The Club" was going to look into something other than a DBA organization. Something like a 501c. Chuck Kennedy speaks highly of it....as an option.

Here some info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)

[gregbrowning]

It was my understanding that "The Club" was going to look into something other than a DBA organization. Something like a 501c. Chuck Kennedy speaks highly of it....as an option.

Here some info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)



Forming a board of directors is necessary in order to form a non-profit. To me it looks like this is the step the club is trying to take.

It was my understanding that "The Club" was going to look into something other than a DBA organization. Something like a 501c. Chuck Kennedy speaks highly of it....as an option.

Here some info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c)



Forming a board of directors is necessary in order to form a non-profit. To me it looks like this is the step the club is trying to take.



Is that not what I said in my last post ?

My point is simply this, I will chose to invest my time when there is a demand for me to do so. When there is a club in which nobody is concerned with anything more than complaining in the parking lot , and trading blows on champion 18 :D, I will choose not to be involved . When members wish to see progress and enahncement for the future of disc golf in the metroplex, count me in.

[sandalman]

geez, i didnt say nobody wanted things to change... i just said there are *some* who like it low key.

Well, low key has put the ADGA how far in the hole ?

[my_hero]

Well, low key has put the ADGA how far in the hole ?



I think it was a number of things that finally took it's toll. Financially speaking, having checks and balances again should help.

Well, low key has put the ADGA how far in the hole ?



I think it was a number of things that finally took it's toll. Financially speaking, having checks and balances again should help.



I do not disagree, but the " low key " mentality is what allowed it to progress this far. Agree or disagree ? I dont know how many people are going to be excited jumping on board a sinking ship. Agree or disagree? Just my opinion's .

[gregbrowning]

No offense to anyone, but I see a bunch of apathy in here. To me it sounds like "I don't like things the way they are, but I am not going to do anything to change them."

Doc, no offence taken, but ...
Time much like money is an investment. I choose to invest my time wisely. When there is a demand for my time , it will be allocated accordingly. When there is no demand for anybody's time, the discboomer will be elsewhere. Is that not fair for somebody volunteering their time ?

[gregbrowning]

Doc, no offence taken, but ...
Time much like money is an investment. I choose to invest my time wisely. When there is a demand for my time , it will be allocated accordingly. When there is no demand for anybody's time, the discboomer will be elsewhere. Is that not fair for somebody volunteering their time ?



I agree 100%. I guess the difference is in how we view it. You have been around for a while, and your perception of what the future holds is different than mine, as someone who is new in the ADGA scene. All I can say is that I hope my enthusiasm will be as contagious as what I caught at lunch last week at The Lodge. :eek:

Funny guy.

I just deleted paragraphs of rant's about this topic. I have decided to simplify.

We are well aware of the problem. Many others are as well.
The opportunity arose to fix the problem .
4 people have stepped in to fix it , 4.
A non member, a new kid on the block, and 2 established members that have been working their arses off for years.

Where is the desire for change ? What are the benefits of change. Let's just face facts. As long as their is a mini on sunday morning's and an ace pot to run @ . People will pay their annual dues. There is not an overwhelming demand for ADGA to get any better than it already is .

I would like to see things change, but only if people want them to change ! Why facilitate a need that does not exist?

[gregbrowning]

a new kid on the block



call me Joey

[tbender]

Lee, welcome to running a DG club. Everyone wants to be a member and play, everyone doesn't want to help or have ideas or change, and everyone will tell you everything you do wrong as a club officer.

a new kid on the block



call me Joey



Thats bad !

Lee, welcome to running a DG club. Everyone wants to be a member and play, everyone doesn't want to help or have ideas or change, and everyone will tell you everything you do wrong as a club officer.



Hey tony, how u doin?

Here is my point , and I will spell it out crystal clear.
I feel that members are looking for nothing more than an ace pot to run at , and a mini to host the ace pot . VPO 07, do you think it will happen? It is going to take the efforts of more than 4 people to make that dream a reality.
Part of a club hosting an a-tier , is to put monies back into the club via merch. sales. How much did Rick Danger put back into ADGA this year ???????????? The system has flaws, and not enough people to fix the flaws.

[gregbrowning]

One of the things I would seriously like to do is work on getting corporate sponsors for the VPO. There are tons of B-tier events with better Open payouts than the VPO, and I think that needs to change. If we want to host a showcase event for the sport, we need to put in the effort. I know lots of people are disheartened over the way things have been run in the past, but it really doesn't take that much effort to do something you believe in.

I think this club could use a little FOCUS

Too much time putting the cart b4 the horse.

[my_hero]

I think this club could use a little FOCUS



You asked for it.......










I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

I think I can make it now, the pain is gone
All of the bad feelings have disappeared
Here is the rainbow I’ve been prayin?for
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

Look all around, there’s nothin?but blue skies
Look straight ahead, nothin?but blue skies

I can see clearly now, the rain is gone,
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone are the dark clouds that had me blind
It’s gonna be a bright (bright), bright (bright)
Sun-Shiny day.

[jasonc]

Funny guy.

I just deleted paragraphs of rant's about this topic. I have decided to simplify.

We are well aware of the problem. Many others are as well.
The opportunity arose to fix the problem .
4 people have stepped in to fix it , 4.
A non member, a new kid on the block, and 2 established members that have been working their arses off for years.

Where is the desire for change ? What are the benefits of change. Let's just face facts. As long as their is a mini on sunday morning's and an ace pot to run @ . People will pay their annual dues. There is not an overwhelming demand for ADGA to get any better than it already is .

I would like to see things change, but only if people want them to change ! Why facilitate a need that does not exist?



I couldn't agree more. The problem we are facing is most of the people who really do care are burned out and don't want to step up until they see actual change. This "club" has been chugging along at it's current pace for quite some time now. Some people have volunteered their time (or offered to in some cases) only to feel left out of the loop on most of what's going on. I'm not saying that it's entirely Toolen's fault since I've been guilty of it also, but it has to change if we are going to succeed. Obviously what we are doing isn't working.


Personally I'm not suprised by the lack of interest, most people in this sport are just players. They want to show up at a certain time (many of them don't get this part right), throw a disc and hang out for a few hours, complain when things don't go exactly how they would have liked, then get on with their lives. I'm not downgrading those people either, without them people like myself and others would have nothing to work for. I help with the club and other events because I enjoy seeing a large group of people get together and have a great time without having to worry about all of the logistics of that make it happen.

Most of the people you see at our minis are exactly as described above, just players. There are a handful of people there that would like to get involved and just don't know how they can. I really appreciate people like Doc that just go for it not knowing or caring what the outcome will be, but making it known that they are willing to help and will push a little to get their foot in the door and then work from there. That's how Ginetta and I started to get involved and I think that's turned out pretty well, but we met allot of resistence when we first started to help out. There are a few people I would like to get involved and I think they would, if asked. It's not easy to get people to give up part of their most valuable asset...TIME.


Of course this still leaves the people who have helped in the past. I've spoken with several of them (most of them great help to the club) who want to get involved again but are refusing to do so until they see the changes actually take place, and I can't say I blame them.

[jasonc]

And we all have a little too much time at work obviously. Nevermind, I'm already at Casa Chamberlain sipping on my beer :D.

[jasonc]

I had that as sipping on my BL at first. Then I caught the connection to our local hamster master and didn't want to hear all of the comments that would surely follow :p.

[jasonc]

Now I'm just trying to get my post count higher. I can't have Lee pass me this quick .

I had that as sipping on my BL at first. Then I caught the connection to our local hamster master and didn't want to hear all of the comments that would surely follow :p.



**** you .

[jasonc]

Sorry, I'd typically leave it, but I'm trying to keep the thread on FOCUS ;).

[lauranovice]

"I had that as sipping on my BL at first. Then I caught the connection to our local hamster master "
You really should not make me laugh so hard, so loud while I'm pretending to be the hardest worker here. It makes me blow my cover.

[jasonc]

I could quote that post and chop it up a little to make it worse, but I'll refrain :eek:.

At least she left her wet beaver out of it !

[lauranovice]

Hey, ya'll be nice, and may be she'll let you pet her.

[jasonc]

WOW . Way to keep the thread on track. I gues I contributed to it though.

Hey, ya'll be nice, and may be she'll let you pet her.



Oh jesus! I would like to see the look on somebody's face that stumbled upon this thread.

Wet beavers, hamsters, and Guinea Pigs- Oh my

[jasonc]

Yeah right....it almost attacked me out at Cedar Hill. I'll never forget a big, hairy, wet beaver (making slapping sounds no less) chasing me down 10's fairway because I was trimming bush way to close to it's hole......or hut whatever you want to call it :eek:.

Of course I had a chainsaw and should have had the upper hand, but that thing scared the crap out of me.

***This is a true story BTW. Beavers get really scary when they're coming after you with their teeth bared***

[lauranovice]

well, back on track...
ADGA
I hope all works out in the future.
Jason, keep us updated (those that don't want to get involved until we know for sure it is turning around). I'll be there as soon as it starts to turn to help in any way I can.

[jasonc]

Hey, ya'll be nice, and may be she'll let you pet her.



Oh jesus! I would like to see the look on somebody's face that stumbled upon this thread.



Not to mention the suspension we all may get out of it :D.

[jasonc]

I'll keep everyone informed to the best of my ability. I already feel there is more communication going on then ever before, at least between members (leave it alone Lee, leave it alone :p) and hopefully that will increase as we get some new people involved.

LOL, U SAID BETWEEN MEMBERS.

Dont feel bad, if I get busted you will not see the discboomer on this mb for 3 mos. :cool:

LOL, U SAID BETWEEN MEMBERS.

Dont feel bad, if I get busted you will not see the discboomer on this mb for 3 mos. :cool:

[sandalman]

i'm not gonna say anything else, cuz i just seem to pizz off either Jason or Ginetta :D

btw...

"They want to show up at a certain time (many of them don't get this part right)... " - that is the classic sunday morning isnt it :D

[jasonc]

i'm not gonna say anything else, cuz i just seem to pizz off either Jason or Ginetta :D



Did I just hear Pat typing something........that makes me mad :mad::D.

i'm not gonna say anything else, cuz i just seem to pizz off either Jason or Ginetta :D



Did I just hear Pat typing something........that makes me mad :mad::D.



I think it's time for a group hug!

"They want to show up at a certain time (many of them don't get this part right)... "



THat did earn me a couple of strange looks here in the shop, I had a hard time stopping my laughter.

[my_hero]

I had that as sipping on my BL at first.



What! exactly of Lamoreaux's are you sipping on? :eek:

Somebody had to be that guy. It was u john!

[jasonc]

I can't believe it took you this long.
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That's what Amy says regarding My-Hero's performance every year after he gets ahold of the JUG at Ace Golf :p.

That's what Amy says regarding My-Hero's performance every year after he gets ahold of the JUG at Ace Golf :p.



BUUUURRRRNNNNNNNN

[my_hero]

Actually, bad performance doesn't even happen following JUG events. Normally after a JUG event, a quick dinner and shower follow, then some TV time. Then Mrs. H says something like "I'm gonna go get more comfortable." And all i hear is "get more comfy," and i subsequently wake up on the couch the next morning screaming "did a monkey _ in my mouth?"

[jasonc]

I think this may just be attributed to getting older. I never fell asleep on the couch until the past year or so, now it seems like it's a weekly thing. Not to mention it irritates the hell out of the wife.

[seewhere]

you guys crack me up!! and Jason wasn't lying about trying to keep Lee from passing him on post counts,. **** post WHORES"S :p

[Stevinnova]

Lee is gonna turn Greg into:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2710/greghollimon104zm4.jpg

[jasonc]

He'll definately pass me. I try to post only when it's informative or relative to the topic ;).

I think my username was hi-jacked earlier today :confused: :D.

[sandalman]

If any of these positions interest you, please notify Terry Toolen no later than Sunday, January 14, 2007. On that day, prior to the weekly mini, all volunteers for the Director positions will have a chance to present themselves, and say why they would like to hold a seat on the Board of Directors. Ballots will be available no later than Sunday, January 21, 2007



hey, how did those candidate presentations go? i forgot to pick up my ballot on sunday... could someone list the final candidates and i'll email my ballot in.

thx

Are there even enough people interested to fill all the positions ?

[my_hero]

could someone list the final candidates and i'll email my ballot in.




I'll use the email system as well.

[jasonc]

Are there even enough people interested to fill all the positions ?



It doesn't look that way :(. Since we had the meeting I felt fairly optimistic that there was an actual desire for change from the membership and that Terry was glad to see some people wanting to help. Since that day I have only heard from 3 club members (2 of them were at the meeting), talked to one non member regarding the club and have spoken to the HDIC a grand total of once. I'm really dissapointed to say the least.

Ginetta has stated to me that she has no desire to do anything further as far as the club goes. Since she has gone back into the workforce she really wants to direct her time more towards that and doesn't feel that even if she helped in a limited capacity that she could do enough to really make a difference.


As for me...........I'm done, pull my name off of everthing related to the ADGA. I'm not trying to be uncivil about it but I feel I have done everything I can and things are not going to change. If there is a change in the future and my help is needed please feel free to contact me.


Jason Chamberlain

[lauranovice]

wow, this is truly sad news.

[sandalman]

what's the "HDIC"? i dont know that one...

[bslamoreaux]

what's the "HDIC"? i dont know that one...



"Head Dwarf In Charge".......

The wheels have officially fallen off .
Jason, I understand . There is only soo much one can do.
Thank you and Ginetta both for the years of dedication and service.

[my_hero]

Are there even enough people interested to fill all the positions ?



It doesn't look that way :(. Since we had the meeting I felt fairly optimistic that there was an actual desire for change from the membership and that Terry was glad to see some people wanting to help. Since that day I have only heard from 3 club members (2 of them were at the meeting), talked to one non member regarding the club and have spoken to the HDIC a grand total of once. I'm really dissapointed to say the least.

Ginetta has stated to me that she has no desire to do anything further as far as the club goes. Since she has gone back into the workforce she really wants to direct her time more towards that and doesn't feel that even if she helped in a limited capacity that she could do enough to really make a difference.


As for me...........I'm done, pull my name off of everthing related to the ADGA. I'm not trying to be uncivil about it but I feel I have done everything I can and things are not going to change. If there is a change in the future and my help is needed please feel free to contact me.


Jason Chamberlain




wow, this is truly sad news.




Yes it is, but it doesn't surprise me. There's only so much one couple can do. Thanks for everything y'all have done.

Over the 13 years that i've been a member i've seen this same thing happen over and over again. It even happened to me. You just get burnt out. Especially when you try to help and you are constantly told, "I'll take care of it", but "it" never gets taken care of.

The Chamberlains have done their part, just like so many before them. It's time for some new blood to take the reins....All of the reins, even the "HDIC's."

Good Luck to the ADGA.

It's time for some new blood to take the reins....




New Blood, it's called the Funkytown Flyers Club :eek:

[cgflesner]

Sure hope that we are not associated with the HDIC.

Seems that all of our goal are headed in a different direction than the HDIC over at the ADGA.

Allow me to say this.....

Ever since the 06 VPO, I have anticipated many obstacles to overcome for the ADGA. With the Chamberlains withdrawl from the club's business, and the sizeable amount of debt aquired by the ADGA , I do beleive that this could be the proverbial nail in the coffin. When the heart and soul ( Jason and Ginetta ) of a group of people depart, it is not long before the remainder of the group will follow.

The members and locals out @ veterans are too good of a group of people for me to stand by and watch this happen. I can not offer a solution to this problem, but I can offer an opportunity to continue the work that has been going on for years . I can not offer this in the name of the ADGA, but I can offer the opportunity for events such as the VPO and possibly Farenheit Fling to continue to exist.

Should there be an interest from the group, I am glad to facilitate their needs. I do not have much to bring to the table as of now , but I do have the capacity to provide what OTHERS have not ..

BTW- What I bring to the table , operates in the BLACK

[DGBAMA92]

I would like to help out the ADGA . Just let me know what I can do to contribute. I have stood by for a while and I believe I can help in some way. I am Z-BOAZ loyal by heart but I am living next to the VET now. Disc Golf can not flurrish in Arlington until this is resolved.

I would like to help out the ADGA . Just let me know what I can do to contribute.



That is the big problem David. You have been helping out for years. Everytime you pay to play on that course, you have made contributions , and what do you have to show for it ? Turmoil and mis-appropriated club funds. Perhaps that laminated bag tag from a couple of years ago ... The members have done their part, why should they pay for it again?

[Big E]

As a "New ADGA Member" I would also like to help in whatever way I possibly can. With a new baby and buying a house at the moment I don't know how much time I will have to offer but whatever I have will be put toward helping the ADGA!

[DGBAMA92]

Then it is time for new actions. I could be as bold to say what that is. But for now the point is reaction from ALL MEMBERS to stand up for what needs to happen. Not just a couple here or there.---------- ALL ----------- I may contribute by paying the fee's and others do to - WHY? to have that course , to have an option. Now make that option. I know back up what I say. Have I ever backed down? So now I'm Standing Up. What do I need to do?!

[my_hero]

mis-appropriated club funds



That's saying it nicely. Many others would have used the word(s) .....well, nevermind.

What do I need to do?!



You are not getting the point , you have done what you need to do as a member . You pay your dues, you come to work days, you play the mini's . Unless you want to assume the 7-8 thousand dollar debt , there is not much you can do....

People need to realise that this is a very dark day in the history of the ADGA. JASON AND GINETTA FRIGGIN' CHAMBERLAIN are done, does that not throw up a huge red flag to you guys? Club members should not be responsible for somebody elses EPIC F' UP . That person should be held accountable....

As a "New ADGA Member" I would also like to help in whatever way I possibly can.



Why would you join the Terry Toolen ( yes I said it ) D.B.A.- Arlington Disc Golf Association. All the money goes into the hands of one person. That person is liable for that money , or lack there of . That is why I am a non-member. Jason was on the right track setting this up as a N.P.O. , but he is gone now ..... If he is not running with that ball , who is ?????? I doubt anybody on this MB has an answer to that question.

I truly wish that this was not happening , if Jason has succeded in what he was attempting , I would have been the first person in line with my dues....

[my_hero]

What do I need to do?!



You are not getting the point , you have done what you need to do as a member . You pay your dues, you come to work days, you play the mini's . Unless you want to assume the 7-8 thousand dollar debt , there is not much you can do....

People need to realise that this is a very dark day in the history of the ADGA. JASON AND GINETTA FRIGGIN' CHAMBERLAIN are done, does that not throw up a huge red flag to you guys? Club members should not be responsible for somebody elses EPIC F' UP . That person should be held accountable....



Whoa....I don't know if you know the exact numbers, but i seriously hope it's not 7-8 G's! Half of that maybe. (Then again only the DBA knows for sure) :confused:

[my_hero]

As a "New ADGA Member" I would also like to help in whatever way I possibly can.



Why would you join the Terry Toolen ( yes I said it ) D.B.A.- Arlington Disc Golf Association. All the money goes into the hands of one person. That person is liable for that money , or lack there of . That is why I am a non-member. Jason was on the right track setting this up as a N.P.O. , but he is gone now ..... If he is not running with that ball , who is ?????? I doubt anybody on this MB has an answer to that question.

I truly wish that this was not happening , if Jason has succeded in what he was attempting , I would have been the first person in line with my dues....



Sadly i know several others that WILL NOT renew if it continues as a DBA under the current DBA. I am not one of these people. The club needs members..even if they are in a different place in life and can't help as much as they desire.

What do I need to do?!



You are not getting the point , you have done what you need to do as a member . You pay your dues, you come to work days, you play the mini's . Unless you want to assume the 7-8 thousand dollar debt , there is not much you can do....

People need to realise that this is a very dark day in the history of the ADGA. JASON AND GINETTA FRIGGIN' CHAMBERLAIN are done, does that not throw up a huge red flag to you guys? Club members should not be responsible for somebody elses EPIC F' UP . That person should be held accountable....



Whoa....I don't know if you know the exact numbers, but i seriously hope it's not 7-8 G's! Half of that maybe. (Then again only the DBA knows for sure) :confused:



That is what I was told. But , yes you are right only DBA knows for sure. :(

[sandalman]

this is what RESET buttons are for.

time to press it

[cgflesner]

I vote to impeach. :mad:

Mind you that the debt of the DBA would most likely follow the name, much less the reputation.

[my_hero]

this is what RESET buttons are for.

time to press it



Which one?

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/case/z_k_reset.jpg
http://www.losangeles-webdesign.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/04/reset.jpg
http://twentydur.bytez.org/blog/imgs/2006/febrero/reset.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/iawlfan@verizon.net/Navigation/reset.gif
http://http://www.hedsolutions.co.uk/acatalog/s1608s.jpg
http://www.unitoday.net/singer/images/us_reset-button1.gif

My fat A is partial to the last. :D

[gregbrowning]

I bet the HDIC is looking for one of these:


http://successbeginstoday.org/wordpress/wp-content/easy.jpg

[Big E]

I joined hoping to be part of the solution not funding the problem! If everyone thinks terry is part of the problem then why don't we get someone else in there? Is it that no one want to do it?

[jasonc]

It's not that noone wants to do it, noone can. The ADGA is Terry Toolen DOING BUSINESS AS The Arlington Disc Golf Association. That makes it not a club but a privately owned business that, at the end of the day, noone has any say in except Terry Toolen.

[my_hero]

It's not that noone wants to do it, noone can. The ADGA is Terry Toolen DOING BUSINESS AS The Arlington Disc Golf Association. That makes it not a club but a privately owned business that, at the end of the day, noone has any say in except Terry Toolen.



Bingo! Time to hit the reset button and make it a 501c.

[Big E]

As a club cant you say who is in charge? If the club as a majority does not like someone is it not up to the club to impeach the person running the club?

[gregbrowning]

It's not that noone wants to do it, noone can. The ADGA is Terry Toolen DOING BUSINESS AS The Arlington Disc Golf Association. That makes it not a club but a privately owned business that, at the end of the day, noone has any say in except Terry Toolen.



I know it is out there and some folks would consider it a slap in the face, but what is stopping you or me or anyone else from forming a NEW club? A club formed as an incorporated non-profit. I know Lee is doing the same thing, but who's to say there can't be more than one?

[Big E]

If everything else does not work what other option is there? I would hate for such a long lasting club to go away instead of being reformed!

It's not that noone wants to do it, noone can. The ADGA is Terry Toolen DOING BUSINESS AS The Arlington Disc Golf Association. That makes it not a club but a privately owned business that, at the end of the day, noone has any say in except Terry Toolen.



I know it is out there and some folks would consider it a slap in the face, but what is stopping you or me or anyone else from forming a NEW club? A club formed as an incorporated non-profit. I know Lee is doing the same thing, but who's to say there can't be more than one?



For there to be more than one club is counter productive, considering these clubs are about 10 minutes apart. When we work together, great things can happen. When we UNITE , great things can happen.

The door is open, all ADGA members are always welcome in funkytown !!! :D

To clarify, Funkytown is not necessarily a place, but more of a state of mind.

If everything else does not work what other option is there? I would hate for such a long lasting club to go away instead of being reformed!



The other option is The Funkytown Flyers Club , where our members have a voice, and the money is always accounted for ! :D

[Big E]

So since I choose to play my mini's at the vet because of the location of the course, does that mean that fee's applied with the vet's mini will go to The Funkytown Flyers Club rather than the ADGA?

[Big E]

What about the ace pot would the The Funkytown Flyers Club have a ace pot for all DFW course's where there is a branch of the club?

[jasonc]

If everything else does not work what other option is there? I would hate for such a long lasting club to go away instead of being reformed!



I've been avoiding this question for a long time because I really hate the political aspect of disc golf and also feeling that I've wronged a person I consider a friend. There are a couple of different ways to go about this, some downright dirty and underhanded and some that would require all parties being very cooperitive.

#1 Don't hand any money over to anyone representing the club at the minis or club events. Designate someone to basically run their own mini, do 100% payout and the point will be made pretty quick that members are not happy with the status quo. Also refuse to renew your membership or join the club. With time the current regime wll have no choice other than to give up. This is the absolute worst of options and definately the most extreme and I would not encourage it whatsoever.

#2 Proceed with this election process that was started and hope that everything turns out the way it was discussed. This will be a very long and tiresome process no matter what. Communication at this point is close to 0% amoung the club except for what you are reading here and it takes near catastrophic events to get where you are now. On top of that there is no guarantee that everyone involved is going to hold true to their word. We've tried to delegate responsibilities in the past and most people were led to believe that everything was on the up & up, only to find out later that most of what they were led to believe wasn't true.

#3 As a club adress the person currently holding the DBA and tell that person you do not approve of the status quo and things need to change immediately. Get that person to agree to give up total control and change it to a NPO, do not allow more than 1 weeks time after the agreement and the actual act of doing it or it will never get done. Also accept no excuses on why it hasn't been done. This is less severe than the first option but a little less PC than the 2nd.

In any case remember that the ADGA has debts that need to be paid before anything can happen. Not one single member has any clue of where this club stands financially. There is plenty of ways to speculate or estimate but there is only one person who knows the truth and he doesn't have much to say when it comes to finances.

Also keep in mind that whatever happens, whether it is a new club or a reorginazation of the old club someone is going to have to be responsible for those debts. I know a lot of people think that the ADGA rakes in good $$$$$ with minis and what not, but that is far from the truth. It's going to take major amounts of hard work, time, dedication and creative thinking to pull the ADGA out of this hole. I wish all of you luck.

[gnduke]

Just remember that all clubs start out that way.

You have to make a very strong point of keeping it that way if you want it to stay that way.

[okcacehole]

I know it is out there and some folks would consider it a slap in the face, but what is stopping you or me or anyone else from forming a NEW club? A club formed as an incorporated non-profit. I know Lee is doing the same thing, but who's to say there can't be more than one?




Please be vary wary of this type of action ( I am not referring to the FTF club either).

Many, many years ago in OKC the club scene had gone down the wrong path in the same way. We were very tired of not having a opinion to voice, funds were being spent w/o any record-keeping or a running balance and great friends on and past the course were becoming enemies.

Some of us started a whole new club up and started our own "thing". We ran a monthly tournament/mini that pulled 50-100 people each time. 3 of us started this club with $100 and we always had a total of what we had in cash, discs, merchandise available for anyone to see.

We also made sure that all members of the new club either ran an event or at least co-TD an event with others to know what everyone was getting into.

After 2 years it was a great club with close to 100 different players and much more $$$ and exposure than what we started with.

However, as time moved on, people left the state, had kids, had changes in how much they could devote to the club it dwindled back down.

The HUGE downfall was a lack of any club in OKC at that point. We did achieve or original goal of running the old club out of town, but we also collapsed organized disc golf in OKC when our club stopped working also.

Anyone familiar with OKC golf knows there is still not an organized club in that city to date. Creating a huge void were there are not anymore mini's, any more tounaments or even a disc golf voice in a city that large was something we never saw coming.

Multiple clubs in the DFW are a little different since there are so many courses, players and places to play versus OKC, but I would hope you can get the head to step down, turn over anything ( if there is anything ) that is left for the club and rebuild.

The ADGA has been going for years and I would hate to see the name not last just because of an individual player. I remember seeing all the Disc Golf Mags on how the ADGA would raise the most money and food in their ice bowls for years. The VPO has been ongoing for more than a decade at least and there is a great core of old members and new members.

Don't kill it unless that is the final option.

[dannyreeves]

In any case remember that the ADGA has debts that need to be paid before anything can happen. Not one single member has any clue of where this club stands financially. There is plenty of ways to speculate or estimate but there is only one person who knows the truth and he doesn't have much to say when it comes to finances.





You know, I think the option taken should be dependant on the reasons why the ADGA has the debt. Is it because the club didn't work hard enough to bring in revenue or is it because the owner took money for personal use?

That is million dollar question in my mind. I have a pretty good idea but want the owner to speak the truth (or something) before I say for sure.

If it is the latter, I don't think it is anyone else's responsibility to pay that money back. Another club should be formed and I will gladly support it and leave the ADGA behind.

Living an hour away from Veteran's, I am not able to give nearly as much time as I would like. I have staffed only 2 events in the last 4 years and worked a handful of workdays. It is pretty hard for me to make it to minis but I can say that I have purposely stayed away recently due to this mess.

I really would like to hear the TRUTH from the 1 person that can tell it. Whatever it is, I don't care. The problems have always come from a lack of communication and until that is changed, progress will never happen.

[vinnie]

<--------what the???????
Someone needs to call me

[lauranovice]

How do we do number 3?
Hasn't that been attempted a couple times now?

How exactly are you planning on getting the blood out of that turnip?????

If any ADGA members are curious about what we have going on here in FUNKYTOWN, please swing my z-boaz tonight. We are having a committe meeting , voting on our Articles of Incorporation, voting on our official logo, and establishing some initial merchandising concepts. I will be on hand to answer any question's , and will also be taking annual membership dues....

General Info : Annual Dues- 10 dollars
Funkytown Flyers Club bag tag - 20 dollars

For a complete break down of club affairs, please contact me @ discboomer@yahoo.com
or you can catch me out @ the z tonight .... Or I should be in A-town for the mini on sunday..

Lee

[gotcha]

As a club adress the person currently holding the DBA



Question from an old-school member on the outside looking in:

Is the quote above true? Is there really a one-person DBA officially recorded with the state? The ADGA was created in 1990 as a "not-for-profit" organization in which the club members ratified a constitution and elected officers (BOD) with term limits. That was the organizational structure in existence through early 1997. Just curious about the dba reference....

[jasonc]

Ever since Kelly Hicks it has been a DBA, he did that for the tax issues once the club started purchasing large quantities of plastic. Once Kelly stepped down the DBA was sold to Toolen and then transferred to his name.

At least this is what I have been told.

sold to Toolen



And that is where this all got started .
How do you sell a club, a club started with other peoples money?

[jasonc]

I'm not 100% certain that it was sold, it very well could have just been signed over.

Gotcha'!
It is still f'd up.
Sorry I had to cut you short last night man, the dirty looks I was getting were ferocious.

[jasonc]

That's what you get for being so cheap that people can only call during your free night minutes ;) :D.

Yeah, yeah... I know ..
In all fairness, you did call right around booty time. :D
I can understand her P.O.V., I would hate if somebody was c-blocking a manly man piece such as myself :o

[my_hero]

As a club adress the person currently holding the DBA



Question from an old-school member on the outside looking in:

Is the quote above true? Is there really a one-person DBA officially recorded with the state? The ADGA was created in 1990 as a "not-for-profit" organization in which the club members ratified a constitution and elected officers (BOD) with term limits. That was the organizational structure in existence through early 1997. Just curious about the dba reference....



Glad to see JG reading.....

Jerry, the constitution you speak of hasn't been seen or read by anyone since before Kelly was DBA the ADGA. There's so many guys out there that have no idea a constitution exists. :confused:

DID IT GO A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ? We the people of the ADGA , in order to form a profitable union , establish finances, ensure individual financial security, to provide for the directors bank account, promote general discontent, and secure the spending for one's self in the interest of our director for the sake of his posterity, do ordain and establish this the ADGA.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[discgolfdog]

How do you know so much about a club you've NEVER been a member of? The last two days you have done nothing but spread rumors. Anybody that knows me has heard this statement before. I don't care about your opinions until you are a member of the club. THEN, you can help to make the changes from within. Otherwise, shut it!

[discgolfdog]

By the way, we do have problems right now. People getting on the MB spouting off about things they have no idea about makes things worse, not better.

[mikeharrell]

whats going on up there? and how does the ADGA owe money, to who? :eek:

How do you know so much about a club you've NEVER been a member of? The last two days you have done nothing but spread rumors. Anybody that knows me has heard this statement before. I don't care about your opinions until you are a member of the club. THEN, you can help to make the changes from within. Otherwise, shut it!



This whole fiasco is the reason I am not a member. And I do not feel that your opinion is shared amongst other members. Remember this NON-MEMBER volunteering his time @ VPO this year, or this NON-MEMBER being nominated for the ADGA director of promotions, or this non-member giving a rat's arse about this club with soo much history, and soo many awesome members.
Clay with all do respect, I know not of these rumors you speak of . I only know what I am told by members of what could be considered the BOD....

But as a dues paying member , I respect your opinion and time spent being involved with the ADGA. What position were you running for again? From what I understand , Jason and Ginetta backed out of the club due to the lack of interest from dues paying members. I hope you are a part of the solution.........

Furthermore, I hope I am wrong . I wish the ADGA all the good in the world. Good day to you sir.

By the way, we do have problems right now. People getting on the MB spouting off about things they have no idea about makes things worse, not better.



I may know a little more than you think! As far as making things worse... Doubt it , sweeping issues under the rug , that is what has made things worse. It seems funny to me that none of the dues paying members have any clues about the current state of the club. It seems funny to me that most of the dues paying members are ready to step up and bail the ADGA out of this situation that it should have never been in ...

BTW- my non-member status is irrelevant. I still pay the course fund @ every mini I play .

[cgflesner]

By the way, we do have problems right now. People getting on the MB spouting off about things they have no idea about makes things worse, not better.



I am a member and I say u should shut it!!
All Lee is trying to do is better disc golf in the dfw area, but it seems that u are happy with the way Terry is runing the ADGA into the ground.

[discgolfdog]

So you volunteered for ONE whole tournament. Try not to pat yourself on the back too much there. I ran minis for the club for five years. I worked MANY a VPO when you were still in diapers. I've moved bricks, stored product at the house and many other things you will never know about. I was one of the members that offered to help even though I live 45 minutes away from the course. We're trying to deal with a friend here, not somebody we've know for two months. It's touchy. We will work it out. My point is you have NO RIGHT WHATSOEVER to blast a club and it's dealings when you are not a member of that club. I welcome ALL opinions and suggestions from CLUB MEMBERS! Nuff said.

[sandalman]

Mind you that the debt of the DBA would most likely follow the name, much less the reputation.

nonsense. a DBA is a personal thing. unless someone purchased the DBA and its debts, the current DBA's problems are the DBA's owner's problems.

btw, i thought the number was less than 3000? upthread someone threw out 7-8K. seems like a big difference.

also btw, i had absolutely no clue this was a DBA and not a 501(c)(3)

[jasonc]

Mind you that the debt of the DBA would most likely follow the name, much less the reputation.

nonsense. a DBA is a personal thing. unless someone purchased the DBA and its debts, the current DBA's problems are the DBA's owner's problems.

btw, i thought the number was less than 3000? upthread someone threw out 7-8K. seems like a big difference.

also btw, i had absolutely no clue this was a DBA and not a 501(c)(3)



The problem is there is only one person that knows and he's not talking, so all we can do is speculate.

There is also the difference of actual debt, which would probably be around the smaller figure, and the amount of $$$$ the club may or may not be missing.

[discgolfdog]

I didn't say I was happy about the way things are being done in the club.(not sure where you got that one). I can't stand it as a matter of fact. You are a member and I would like to hear YOUR opinions about how things can be done differently. Did YOU offer anything to the club Chris? No! You just want to complain and play. That's what 99% of club members want to do. However, I will gladly listen to any complaints that you have. Non-members don't have the right to tell a club how to do business. That's my whole point. You have every right. I would hope you could show a bit of tact and talk to somebody face to face as opposed to spouting off on a message board though. I am no longer an officer of the club, but I am a long time member. I encourage all who have a problem with the club to go the route that Greg has taken. WE WILL WORK THIS OUT PEOPLE!

[sandalman]

gotcha. makes sense. thanks for the clarification.

RESET button. fresh start.

who should i give the money to on sunday? (i've got TD this sunday).

ideas (brainstorming) for key areas of responsibility:

1. Park Dept relations
2. City relations
3. Course - maintanence, grooming, etc
4. Finances
5. Events

not that alll of these are one-person gigs of course

[cgflesner]

If Terry is not involved I will offer up my services for what ever the club needs. The only thing that I have complained about is the lack of effort that somebody puts into the ADGA events.

I have been a member since I moved here and will continue to support the ADGA and if anybody would like to talk face to face I am usually at the sun mini.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that we get rid of the ADGA. It is one of the longest runing clubs in Texas if not the longest it would be a shame to see it go away.

So you volunteered for ONE whole tournament. Try not to pat yourself on the back too much there.



Once again, you fail to see my point . Your attempt to de-value my participation with the club is not setting a good example for the other club members/ participants. The fact that I , a disc golfer, would rather assist the club @ their premier event of the year, in lieu of competing in the event. That really holds no value to you????? If you knew the Discboomer a little better you would not be so blind to see what I am really all about. " Pat on the back " save that BS for somebody whom needs reassurance from their peers. I am confident and will stand behind my contributions to the disc golf community 100% . Some individuals that have taken the time to get to know me , might not agree with your perspective........

Also, in regards to my non-member status. The only value that ADGA membership holds, is an opportunity to run @ the ace. Those are not my words , those are words of ADGA members.

Who was that guy that donated the brand new basket in hopes to promote a large gallery @ VPO this year?

Who was that guy that got 2 photographers and one writer from the Star Telegram to show up for the VPO this year ?

Who was the guy that shot all the footage, and assisted in getting the VPO on discgolftv.com ?

Who was that guy whom has done nothing but give to a club he does not even belong to ?

Oh yeah, it was some non-member who's input and efforts mean absolutely nothing to the ADGA. I see your point now , time to give yourself the pat on the back!

Ever heard that old saying about gift horse and the mouth?

Good day to you sir! Oh and Claydog, we are having a work day @ Z-Boaz on Saturday, 10:00 ish. If you are not to busy doing the elephant walk out @ ke'Ohana, we would love to have you!

[lauranovice]

okay, I'm not currently a member, but I have been an active member in the past. I agree with Chris that I do not want to see ADGA go away. I believe many current, past, and never-before members agree, no one wants the biggest, oldest, most well-known disc golf club to dissolve. Let's find a solution some how. I will do whatever I can to help save her, but only if I know it my actions will do so.
The only option I see at this point is Jason's option number 3. Please tell me how to get this accomplished. I want to help to AGDA survive. It is one of the first things I ever paired with the words disc golf...that and the word wolf. ;)

[my_hero]

The ADGA needs to remain the ADGA at all costs....boy that's scary.

The ADGA needs to remain the ADGA at all costs....boy that's scary.



That could get expensive....

[DGBAMA92]

HERE WE ARE SITTING AT A COMPUTER WHILE IT IS A BEAUTIFUL DAY OUTSIDE. I'M STUCK AT WORK YERNING TO PLAY - ITS BEEN A WHILE.

[sandalman]

[QUOTE]
this is what RESET buttons are for.

time to press it



Which one?

or any of these:

http://www.forceflow.com/images/wizard_reset_button.jpg

http://www.drinkalot.com/_pics/reset.jpg

http://sphere.bc.ca/test/exotic/soroban-reset.jpg

http://www.kuwait-cement.com/arabic/image/reset_button.jpg

http://plblark.pihost.us/uf/connection_reset_by_peer.jpg

[lauranovice]

okay, obviously not at all costs, but still, well, you knew what I meant.

[lauranovice]

I didn't think I typed at all costs. . . I didn't type that. I knew I didn't type that.

[lauranovice]

when did YOU get to start gazing through and adding to the PDGA Discussion board? Do Ron and Kevin know what you are doing?

It is official , David has been corrupted !
Welcome to the MB, beware it is kind of like crack !

[sandalman]

not exactly a reset button, but might be more fun to push.
http://www.drinkalot.com/_pictures/push_here_to_start.jpg

maybe it could also double as a trigger for the two minute horn?

[discgolfdog]

Lee, I do appreciate all you did this year at the VPO and I didn't mean to downplay any of that at all. I believe you would make an excellent promotions director for the club, if you become a member. I value Laura and Don's opinions greatly even though they are no longer members, because they have done more for the club in the last few years than anybody except maybe G and J. As for working at Z-Boaz, I'm working Saturday, but thanks for the invite. You guys seem to have everything under control there anyway. I completely understand your concerns(and why you will not join the club) I have the same concerns. I really wish you would join so we can change things from within. We need all the help we can get.

[discgolfdog]

If Terry is not involved I will offer up my services for what ever the club needs. The only thing that I have complained about is the lack of effort that somebody puts into the ADGA events.


I have been a member since I moved here and will continue to support the ADGA and if anybody would like to talk face to face I am usually at the sun mini.

Don't get me wrong I am not saying that we get rid of the ADGA. It is one of the longest runing clubs in Texas if not the longest it would be a shame to see it go away.



Chris, we have the same concerns and I can understand your position with the HDIC. We will right this ship.

[lauranovice]

Don't worry, David, I won't tell the McKims what you are doing. It was just my way of welcoming you to the MB. Lee, is correct, like all else disc golf related, the MB is extremely addictive. You've been warned.

[lauranovice]

Thanks for the extreme compliment, Clay. I really feel bad that we did not re-up our memberships this year. No matter what the situation, truth is I would still probably renew if I were playing out there...come to think of it ...more like if I were playing ...somewhere.

I really wish you would join so we can change things from within. We need all the help we can get.



Show me the notarized Articles of Incorporation, and a bank account that states ADGA, not HDIC D.B.A. ADGA and I will be the first in line with my 20 bucks!

[sandalman]

is it the D.B.A. or the person you have a problem with?

given the current situation, i would a lot less willing to take on an official role in a 501(c)(3) because it could make me liable for any financial issues that are lurking. plus, a 501c3 might sound like a great idea for now, but you'll have just as much if not more paperwork at tax time than as a DBA. and there are a lot more legal implications

i think the real key is an open book policy. apparently thats what Kelly did, and those were the glory days.

trust, but verify... regularly.

is it the D.B.A. or the person you have a problem with?





The issue is with both. Nothing against Terry, I like the guy. I do not care for his actions .

By all legal means, that money is his . He assumes all the risk, and a court of law would stand behind him if he argued that the monies raised were for his personal business. D oing B usiness A s

Given the flawless book keeping that has taken place over the years, club members do not have a leg to stand on. It is hard to imagine that this many people have stood by and never asked , " how much are we worth " ? OR " What happened to our club plastic " OR " What happend to the Farenheit Fling " OR " why do our tee signs look like arse ? " OR ................

[lauranovice]

could not be a c-3. not tax deductable.
you are correct that if this changes to 501 (c) from its current DBA, it MAY incorporate all previous debts currently in its name. However, someone should, and I will do whatever I can to assist in keeping ADGA alive. I feel for those that are owed money.
Again, I did not say I will do whatever it costs to keep ADGA alive. However, responsibilities need to be taken care of.

[discgolfdog]

Excellent point. I believe it was set up as a DBA by Kelly because of the tax implications the other way, but all of that is over my head.
Please everybody understand, we are dealing with a friend. I think we took some information at face value at the last meeting instead of going at the problem head first. Make no mistake, we have to deal with this. I think we are all in agreement on that. Hopefully we can change Jason's mind to come back to us. We need his help right now.

Clay, I dont know you very well, but you are a good friend
to Terry. I would have drawn the line a long time ago. I admire your loyalty.

[gregbrowning]

Like I said, short of ponying up a few grand for someone else's debt, I will be happy to do anything I can to right this ship. I think that by running for Director of Membership/Communications I can have the most impact in the immediate term, as it sounds like a breakdown in communication is everyone's biggest concern. The amount of information I can distribute will be directly proportional to the amount of information Terry is willing to share with me, so keep in mind not to shoot the messenger.

[discgolfdog]

You don't know half of it. But this is not just a good friend of mine, but everybody that is a long time member.
Everybody has turned a blind eye for sometime (including myself) because we just want to come out and play on Sundays. We've been in the hole before, with some new blood and ideas we will get back to the black.

You don't know half of it.



I may know a little more than you think I know ;)

As I said b4 , I admire your loyalty.

If we have learned anything it is this ........
BTW : this is something I have preached since the Funkytown Flyers Club was in it's earliest stage

We must treat these clubs as a business. When we take a relaxed attitude towards our Club's affairs, bad stuff will happen.

When we approach this as a business, people will hold others accountable.

If the HDIC had done what he did in the business world, there is a good chance he would be in the POKEY right now making all sorts of new friends.

Its beautiful outside, lets go play some golf!

Goodevening to you all...

[my_hero]

keep in mind not to shoot the messenger.






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He will be missed

[gregbrowning]

poor greg.....

He will be missed



Who?
:D

[my_hero]

:)

[arlskipshot1]

I haven't been able to post for awhile because I couldn't figure out how, but my wife helped me get on so bear with me 'cause I have alot to say now.
This problem is disheartening for me, being a founding member. Sixteen years ago, Lee, we were as exuberant and positive as the FFs are now with dozens of amatuer players contributing a nice revenue to work with. Still, as anyone that's been involved in the business side of things can tell you, there is not alot of monies to be made above and beyond what it takes to maintain things. The biggest problem we've had is that our Am base is pratically nonexistant now and where we were taking in about $100 a week for many years, last year I don't think we averaged better than $20. Now I know there are several theories about why this has happened ( I have my own ), but they are irrellavent. This lack of funding combined with the only real mistake Terry made, not coming forward and telling the PDGA and all the touring players that we could no longer hold to the standards expected of an A tier event, are the reasons we are in this boat.
Back in the beginning sponsers like Discraft, Innova, John Houck, and local businesses contributed generously and made it easy, combined with the Am revenue, for us to become the biggest tournament held on one course. We became the standard bearer of the early 90s setting a bar higher than others at that time. When Jim Miers and then Kelly Hicks took over the chance to be even bigger every year became a challenge for them. As sponsers became reluctant to help more and more I saw this coming and tried to warn our club council that we needed to slow it down or it would catch up to us some day. Well it has and this is not all Terry's fault. As a matter of fact I know the effort he has put into things for four years now has probably cost him more of his own resources than he would like to think about.
When I was running things I would come out of the VPO in the hole every time and it would take a little while to get caught up. I was only a few hundred down each time, though, and it wouldn't take long. As I understand it we are only down one invoice to Innova for $2200. This IS a large amount and will take some time to recover, but it is not $7-8000 !!!
In '93 I had a young friend of my son's staying with me and one day I found him in my bedroom going thru the club money that I had hidden there. I don't know how long he had been getting in it but I'd figured he had taken about $300 over time. When I confided with Doug Williams about this he started telling others a version of the story and in no time at all everyone thought I had set up a Swiss bank account and was going to leave the country. People!! There is just not enough money here to be profitiering especially considering the last years revenues. Even so, Terry, it may be time for you to reliquish the reins, but I still would like to see you be involved.
Jason and Ginetta the weather, the holidays, and the tournaments are why the response has been low. Please don't give up yet.
Greg B I know who you are and we would be honored to have you as representative.
Claydog...love you man
Give it a little more time guys and we'll get through this.

[arlskipshot1]

Our personal experience is that the Club has provided much enjoyment and quality time to all of our family and friends. Don't be too quick to throw that away. We must adapt to and embrace change. We have seen the club and its members weather many storms - all growing pains. Take a step back, evaluate the situation, make a new plan - re-group and as Nike says, Just Do It! Hearts and souls have been devoted to the ADGA. Hang in there!
--Mrs. Skip

[discgolfdog]

Skip, you have a pm.

[jasonc]

As I understand it we are only down one invoice to Innova for $2200. This IS a large amount and will take some time to recover, but it is not $7-8000 !!!




Jay and Des are still owed their payout from VPO which is around $700 between the 2 of them. All of the player's fees and renewal $$$$ from VPO has not been payed to the PDGA as of noon today, which is close to $500. So now we are up to $3400 that has not been payed and none of the members know why.

This is actual money that I can definately say that the ADGA is in debt for. What else is there that we do not know about????????????? I'm not trying to air any dirty laundry but obviously someone is not telling everyone the same story and the truth has to come out sooner or later.

[seewhere]

nice avatar :p

[my_hero]

As I understand it we are only down one invoice to Innova for $2200. This IS a large amount and will take some time to recover, but it is not $7-8000 !!!




Jay and Des are still owed their payout from VPO which is around $700 between the 2 of them. All of the player's fees and renewal $$$$ from VPO has not been payed to the PDGA as of noon today, which is close to $500. So now we are up to $3400 that has not been payed and none of the members know why.

This is actual money that I can definately say that the ADGA is in debt for. What else is there that we do not know about????????????? I'm not trying to air any dirty laundry but obviously someone is not telling everyone the same story and the truth has to come out sooner or later.



Love the avatar JC!!!......or is it GC's avatar in disguise? Yummy...... :D

[lauranovice]

I don't get it. Isn't his avatar just some girl getting out of a pool?

[seewhere]

what pool :D

[discgolfdog]

what pool :D



:D

[arlskipshot1]

[QUOTE]
As I understand it we are only down one invoice to Innova for $2200. This IS a large amount and will take some time to recover, but it is not $7-8000 !!!




Jay and Des are still owed their payout from VPO which is around $700 between the 2 of them.
Jason, I asked Terry about this as soon as I could after I found out and he assured me that Jay and Des have been taken care of.

[my_hero]

Jay and Des are still owed their payout from VPO which is around $700 between the 2 of them.




Jason, I asked Terry about this as soon as I could after I found out and he assured me that Jay and Des have been taken care of.



That's great to hear.

[jasonc]

Jay and Des are still owed their payout from VPO which is around $700 between the 2 of them.




Jason, I asked Terry about this as soon as I could after I found out and he assured me that Jay and Des have been taken care of.



That's great to hear.



Just got off of the phone with Jay...........they have recieved nothing :mad:.

[arlskipshot1]

I've been on the phone with Jason, John M., and Clay this evening since receiving a post from Jay.
Since the repercussions could become very serious, we would appreciate it if all further communications on this subject be done by e-mail with one of us. Your consideration and cooperation will be greatly appreciated. Thnx

[seewhere]

receiving a post from Jay

hey skip next time you talk to Jay can you ask him to post the Live oak ice bowl scores sheesh :p

3400.00???

What about the course fund ???

[lauranovice]

Thanks for all you do Skip. I have a lot of respect for you.
It is great to see you on the board.
It is sad that it took this to get to see you visit the board.
Hope to play with you again soon.

[24460]

3400.00???

What about the course fund ???

I don't know how much Ice Bowl Trophies cost, but you can add that to the list as well.

[Big E]

AND SHIRT'S AND DISC'S

That number is not looking so small anymore is it?

[my_hero]

Whatever the number is it will be taken care of. Some long time ADGA members are donating plastic out of their plastic filled closets in order to help the ADGA build some of its lost revenue. Right now i think Jay and Des are the clubs primary concern.

[vinnie]

I think Terry should be top of list.
Time to man up....he should be doing the selling...I am starting to wonder where my renewal money went?

[lauranovice]

Tell Pat to donate my stack that I will win with the Nostradamus pick on the super bowl sunday to the ADGA. I was going to let that other guy that chose the Bears to have it all, but I think it would be best for my half to go to our ADGA. That is, unless there is something Pat thinks I can use. I want to keep one disc just for the acknowledgement of the win. :)

[jasonc]

I think Terry should be top of list.
Time to man up....he should be doing the selling...I am starting to wonder where my renewal money went?



Well you aren't the only renewal we took, I know of one other that is a first time PDGA member. If anyone else renewed at the VPO please let someone know, that way we have an idea of what's going on.


Add Suemac to the list of debts, we owe her $60 for the NT calendars provided for sale at the VPO. Sue correct me if that # is wrong but I think that's the amount you gave me last time we spoke.

[Big E]

You talking about me Jason? I joined about 3 weeks ago!

[jasonc]

Just the people that renewed their PDGA memberships at the VPO. That's more $$$$ the club is going to have to fork over :(.

[okcacehole]

Jason - give me a call if you get a chance this evening.

Now that PDGA funds have been taken their are some more harsh actions your club could take if you chose to.

I had talked to Lee about this before but we were not sure about any missing PDGA money.

If you don't still have my number, PM me.

[sandalman]

LQ needs to get on there and make her final pick, or she wont win either the SuperBowl Stack or the Nostradamus Stack :)

unless of course she is waiting til the last minute... she has an incredible post season record going, so i can see why she would wanna play it close to the vest ;)

[lauranovice]

I'm confused, which one is the red team and which one is the blue team? what do I need to type? Do I just type the score in the columns? for the correct team, once I know which one is wearing red and which one is wearing blue? Neither one is A or N. They are both B and C, Bears and Colts, right?

[sandalman]

:D

i made it a bit better for ya

[my_hero]

:D

i made it a bit better for ya



I'm having a hard time getting past the top left pic....mmmmmm red is good mmmkay.

[colin-evans]

I was wondering what sort of assets you could liquidate to raise that money.. I would be happy to help out in any way to help my ADGA friends

sincerely ce

[crusher]

As one of the original members of the ADGA, it is truly sad to see the current state of affairs that the club is in. I truly hope that all the people involved in this matter can sit down behind closed doors and work things out.

The ADGA has had similar issues in the past and have always been able to figure it out.

Please find it in your hearts to stop slinging the mud, put politics aside and start spending the energy figuring out a resolution?

[jasonc]

I don't think there has been any mudslinging and I hope noone else feels that way. Just getting the facts out in the open to club members, which they deserve.

[arlskipshot1]

hey Legs...been seeing you show up in some payouts out East there since you left..way to go. Not bad for someone that can't putt. ;)
I think we will salvage this mess but it will take a little time. Not sure if there will be much of a VPO this year. "C" tier maybe...we'll see. Being the first champion here maybe you could make a return when we get back to form. Luck to you and Sharon.

[okcacehole]

I hope to see a peaceful resolution also...but it may be past that...if PDGA funds are gone....well???

I will leave that to the current members of course..but I am a past member and hate to see this happening to a great group of players..

when friendships..golfing and money get involved....something will have to give...

if the other side would come up with some backing or support for what has happened great..but right now..it does not look good..

I wish the ADGA to prosper for many years and if they have to dig out of a hole..I will help them by becoming a renewed member and offering whatever I can

DISC GOLF is what we are all here for...

ENJOY THE GAME!!!!

[gregbrowning]

Trying to steer the thread back to the positive:

I know there are ways to get the debt paid. It won't be fast and immediate, and perhaps not easy, but it can be done. The best way in my mind is to line up VPO sponsors NOW instead of waiting until November and hoping they will come through. Take that and make it the added cash. Use the course fund money generated at the minis and the membership dues to help settle up with those who are owed.

The club I was in when I lived in NC put on a great B-tier by using a model like that--everything was sponsored. Another great source of income for the club was selling INNcolor fundraiser discs. There's no reason we can't come up with a great INNcolor or SuperColor design and sell some really cool discs and generate some big money for the club and the VPO.

There are plenty of opportunities out there--we just need to put in the effort to make them come together.

[my_hero]

There's no reason we can't come up with a great INNcolor or SuperColor design and sell some really cool discs and generate some big money for the club and the VPO.




This is true. The people that make Inncolor discs have decided to drop a certain % off of the debt. Still need to take care of them before any more can be ordered.

I do know the people that make Supercolor discs pretty well though.... :DI'm sure they would be willing to help.

A co-worker that doesn't golf anymore but use to be a member suggested a "save the adga" tournament. Trophy only, all proceeds go straight to the club.

PS. Hi Craigy. Good times at the wet manateeshirt contest....er i mean Players Cup!

[my_hero]

.....and another thing:

Plastic isn't going to do us much good if we don't have an amateur player base to pick through it.

One thing we could do immediately is sell mulligans at the next mini for $1 a piece. Of course, if you use your mulligan and ace the hole, you would NOT receive the ace pot.

[gregbrowning]

.....and another thing:

Plastic isn't going to do us much good if we don't have an amateur player base to pick through it.

One thing we could do immediately is sell mulligans at the next mini for $1 a piece. Of course, if you use your mulligan and ace the hole, you would NOT receive the ace pot.



The mulligan idea is a good one, but I suppose the people playing Own the Hole couldn't do that.

The reason I suggested the full-color discs is that I thought more than just ams would buy these. I have bought plenty of fundraiser discs just to hang on the wall and not throw because they have a cool stamp. Is this not the case for open players? Is this another issue of ams paying pros at tournaments?

I really do not want to sound like a broken record, but we are losing sight of one issue..... All that you propose , is essentially club members paying for this massive f'up.

What really needs to happen , is for the HDIC to hit an ace or two and send that money straight to Harold Duvall. That would be great ....

[gregbrowning]

I really do not want to sound like a broken record, but we are losing sight of one issue..... All that you propose , is essentially club members paying for this massive f'up.

What really needs to happen , is for the HDIC to hit an ace or two and send that money straight to Harold Duvall. That would be great ....



I see where you are coming from with that. The difference is, at least with a fundraiser disc or a mulligan, people would be getting something in return, rather than just asking for people to pay their dues to bail out the club.

The mulligan idea is good, but somebody could basically
pay money to win the round. In the spirit of good sportsmanship, I think if you put a cap of 1 mulligan a round , it would be effective.

[sandalman]

if the DBA does indeed owe money, or if club money is actually missing, that is the DBA's problem.

and that means we have a friend with a problem.

what should we do? raise the money and bail out the dude? that would just enable the problem to continue.

i wold rather contribute to a bailout fund, but IF money is truly missing, that fund would need to be a loan to the DBA that would need to be repaid. i would love to help, and can help to a degree, but i am not motivated to pay off someone else's individual debt. i have plenty of my own.

that sounds harsh at first read... please think thru what i'm saying before jumpin my bones. :cool:

if the DBA does indeed owe money, or if club money is actually missing, that is the DBA's problem.

and that means we have a friend with a problem.

what should we do? raise the money and bail out the dude? that would just enable the problem to continue.

i wold rather contribute to a bailout fund, but IF money is truly missing, that fund would need to be a loan to the DBA that would need to be repaid. i would love to help, and can help to a degree, but i am not motivated to pay off someone else's individual debt. i have plenty of my own.

that sounds harsh at first read... please think thru what i'm saying before jumpin my bones. :cool:



Pat , it is my belief that you and I do not always see eye to eye... But you hit the nail right on the head my friend.
But, I am sure that we have already established that our friend is not the best at repaying debt.

[my_hero]

The mulligan idea is good, but somebody could basically
pay money to win the round. In the spirit of good sportsmanship, I think if you put a cap of 1 mulligan a round , it would be effective.



We have had success in the past w/ mulligans. We did limit players to 2 of them. There were rules....only could be used on a drive. Had to throw from the mulligan disc(you could not pick the better of the two or three drives in some cases. A mulligan ace is worth 0 when it comes to the ace pot. Buying yourself the win is pretty much impossible, you still have to make those mulligans count.

[my_hero]

if the DBA does indeed owe money, or if club money is actually missing, that is the DBA's problem.

and that means we have a friend with a problem.

what should we do? raise the money and bail out the dude? that would just enable the problem to continue.

i wold rather contribute to a bailout fund, but IF money is truly missing, that fund would need to be a loan to the DBA that would need to be repaid. i would love to help, and can help to a degree, but i am not motivated to pay off someone else's individual debt. i have plenty of my own.

that sounds harsh at first read... please think thru what i'm saying before jumpin my bones. :cool:



I also believe that any debt of the DBA's that WE (the adga members) have to pay, need to be paid back by the DBA. Whether it be through his winnings/payout/aces.

[my_hero]

.....and another thing:

Plastic isn't going to do us much good if we don't have an amateur player base to pick through it.

One thing we could do immediately is sell mulligans at the next mini for $1 a piece. Of course, if you use your mulligan and ace the hole, you would NOT receive the ace pot.



The mulligan idea is a good one, but I suppose the people playing Own the Hole couldn't do that.

The reason I suggested the full-color discs is that I thought more than just ams would buy these. I have bought plenty of fundraiser discs just to hang on the wall and not throw because they have a cool stamp. Is this not the case for open players? Is this another issue of ams paying pros at tournaments?



Most of the clubs players play open or masters, and most of those people haven't bought a disc from the club in ages.

Are our Am's playing pro b/c they want to see how a pro manages the course, or are our am's playing pro b/c there is no plastic to choose from?

The first mini I ever played open in was @ the Vet. Why did I play open???? Because I could make money.....

Why were Des and Jay not paid at the VPO? Were all the other players who cashed paid? If so, why not Des and Jay? All the money should have been there to pay those players who cashed. Something is not right here.

I wish the ADGA the best.

[jeterdawg]

Just now reading most of this and it's kind of sad to read, but it happens. I would like to hold the office of Treasurer at some point, but not at this stage of my career...hopefully in a couple of years. Either way I don't mind giving advice being a CPA and all. I was a Treasurer in college before and after learning how accounting works, and it makes a WORLD of difference.

I don't make it to a whole lot of minis since they occur at the same time our Sunday School class does, but when everyone's out of town I come...so I don't remember if I'm a current member or not, but I think the biggest reason there aren't many Am players is because most of us are at the same skill level...advanced...and most players play a division above their skill level at mini's since it's usually a local course. It doesn't help that there hasn't been much plastic to choose from lately...

[seewhere]

Why were Des and Jay not paid at the VPO

i think they were payed in check form and it bounced like a basketball

Why were Des and Jay not paid at the VPO

i think they were payed in check form and it bounced like a basketball



Basketball, that is an understatement. SUPERBALL is more like it .

[my_hero]

Jay and Des are the clubs primary concern.

Jay and Des are the clubs primary concern.



As they should be .....

[colin-evans]

Get your stock out at the nxt weekend and set up at the prkinglot and sell sell sell. There is no place anymore to buy plastic in Arlington and some of the casuals might need a new disk or four... I always say the solution to the problem lies within the problem itself. I would also like to volunteer my time and skills for any impending designs needed.

YFTDG

ce

[my_hero]

Want to help with a Hero stamp?

[arlskipshot1]

I really do not want to sound like a broken record, but we are losing sight of one issue..... All that you propose , is essentially club members paying for this massive f'up.

What really needs to happen , is for the HDIC to hit an ace or two and send that money straight to Harold Duvall. That would be great ....


We are trying to deal with this on a more realistic level, one that will allow us to keep the course and continue to enjoy it and each other.
There's no need for gloating and judging. I seriously worry about his condition having told us one thing thinking it would never catch up to him.
I just want the VPO to get back to it's old popularity level. Sixteen years of history have provided me with some special memories and friends, something I hope all of you could experience.
Love and kisses, #6922

[smokingun1]

As you all know, I am a man with little to say, but I will add this...............................
I thank you all for your time and attention and will now return to my hole in the ground. :cool:

by the way sandalman, when are you going to update the own the hole stuff.

love
david covalt....... :cool:

love
david covalt....... :cool:



LMFAO

[lauranovice]

Hey, Craig, how was it solved previously?
Hey, Skip, I agree with Pat that it is enabling and not really friendship if it is overlooked. What we did a few years ago was essentially the second chance that you give a friend. At this point, anymore chances really are enabling. I do believe it should not be handled on the board, but that is more a sign of the times. These days, everything is broadcast on the www.
( I was kind of joking about donating my winnings, especially after Don jumped down me for giving it away and Pat expressed how I was not actually entered yet. )
I just want to make it evident that I definitely want to help in anyway that I can.
I care deeply about ADGA and ALL its members. I would love to see ADGA and ALL its members succeed.

[my_hero]

Hey, Craig, how was it solved previously?
Hey, Skip, I agree with Pat that it is enabling and not really friendship if it is overlooked. What we did a few years ago was essentially the second chance that you give a friend. At this point, anymore chances really are enabling. I do believe it should not be handled on the board, but that is more a sign of the times. These days, everything is broadcast on the www.
( I was kind of joking about donating my winnings, especially after Don jumped down me for giving it away and Pat expressed how I was not actually entered yet. )
I just want to make it evident that I definitely want to help in anyway that I can.
I care deeply about ADGA and ALL its members. I would love to see ADGA and ALL its members succeed.



I plan on helping by donating some plastic. This is something a lot of members can do. I also believe that whatever debt has accumulated by mismanagement needs to be paid back by the manager (through winnings, or ace pots.)

[cgflesner]

How about small claims court? :o

Oh wait there is too much money missing from the club for that to work.

[cgflesner]

Go T-MAC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crusher]

Pay back was done by siad party giving all winnings, ace pots back to the debt load. You can also try to set up a monthly payment plan.

What it sounds like is that "1" person needs to sit down with the party in question in private to discuss the matter and come to some type of resolution.

[dannyreeves]

Why is it that everyone has told what they think needs to be done but Toolen will not post? I would love to hear what he has to say. Since he is the one that caused this problem.

[discgolfdog]

Why is it that everyone has told what they think needs to be done but Toolen will not post? I would love to hear what he has to say. Since he is the one that caused this problem.


He doesn't have internet access. He won't even answer his phone. Apparently he thinks if he ignores us this will go away.