Anybody know Toolen?

[rocsteady]

Terry Toolen, are you ok?

I paid for a disc on ebay over 3 weeks ago and never heard anything....ever.

He has a perfect feedback of 25, so I'm sure something crazy happened but ive tried 6 times to email/ get a message out and nothing. Hope all is well.

Any help?

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It's all in the wrist

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Loc: BIG D, TX Re: Who knows Toolen? [Re: Roc Steady]
#585291 - 09/06/06 07:38 PM Edit Reply Quote



You can usually find him on the Arlington Disc Golf Club thread..if you don't have any luck..maybe contact Pat Brenner or get back with me

tjtoolen@aol.com

[jasonc]

You have a PM. Everything should be straightened out soon.

[rocsteady]

Great Job Jason!

I did'nt see the PM, but your reply here is good enough to sit tight.

[rocsteady]

Just wondering when/if the package went out. I let the paypal claim clock run out so I'm kind of hanging out there. If you get it to me I'll post stellar feedback with no mention of this matter. I hope you paid the extra dollar for insurance and youll get the tracking number too!

[rocsteady]

Please reply in some manner.

[my_hero]

Toolen 9/19 5:44pm
I did not rip you off. I have not had access to the internet for three weeks. I apologize for the serious inconvinence this has put you through and I will either refund your money or ship you the disc. It is up to you. Again I apologize for the lenghty delay!!



Dave 9/24 12:03pm
Just wondering when/if the package went out. I let the paypal claim clock run out so I'm kind of hanging out there. If you get it to me I'll post stellar feedback with no mention of this matter. I hope you paid the extra dollar for insurance and youll get the tracking number too!



Dave 9/26 7:27pm
Please reply in some manner.




Toolen, i think he's asking for his disc. I hope this is resolved soon b/c i hate having to read through this crap. We have more important things to discuss. Manatees, hamsters, jugs, and now Lee's guinea pigs are the first things that come to mind. Take care of it already. Sheesh! :D

Roc Steady. Take a pill dude! I spoke with toolen last night. Your " precious " is on the way. I sure am glad all this fuss was made about this, collectivly we have accomplished sooooo much. ( hard to detect sarchasm via the MB ) Toolen is a cool cat, and your attempt to slanderize him is not leaving a good impression on this MB. Sit back, relax, meditate, do something other that fanatasize over a DISC. Me and my guinea pig wish not to discuss this matter any further!

[cgflesner]

What are you talking about Lee.

This guy ordered this disc at least 3 weeks ago, and he has every right to be frustrated with the lack of effort on somebodies part to get him the product which he purchaced.

Yes, that is true. But in this wonderful world we live in we have to accept that " $ hit happens "
I do not believe that jumping on a MB , and slandering the individual repsonisble is the best method of rectifying this issue. Perhaps I am alone in thinking that having the Cajone's to talk to somebody man-to-man, is a much more effective means of resolution. Furthermore, I am not going to stand by and watch a friend get berated. Are there circumstances that I am unaware of in this topic, YES. Was rocsteady's method of resolving this issue appropriate, IMO , the answer is no. You know Toolen, you have been playing his events for years, do you not value what he does in our " community ". Or, at least , do you not value what might be considered as a friendship with toolen. I do!

[gnduke]

Dave Started the thread on 9/6 with an enquiry about Terry's health and stated his concern that somehting bad must have happened because Terry's rating showed him to be a standup guy and unlikely to try and stiff him.

The next post is kind of negative because he has still not heard back from Terry. It mentions some rumours about a TD report being filed late and the fact that the window for filing for a refund will be closing soon.

He receives multiple statements from other Texas players that promise to make good on Terry's sale if he fails to come through and lets the window on filing a formal complaint close.

And now almost a week after his window for filing a dispute has closed, he still has no shipping information. I think he has shown remarkable restraint in the face of not getting a response to repeated requests for information.

The only thing slightly slanderous I have seen is his posting of rumours concerning a TD report of which he would have no direct knowledge. Everything else seems to be a recounting of the facts as he knows them with an emphasis on getting what he paid for as quickly and easily as possible.

I've seen much worse on here for much more easily replaced plastic.

[sandalman]

Roc Steady. Take a pill dude! I spoke with toolen last night. Your " precious " is on the way. I sure am glad all this fuss was made about this, collectivly we have accomplished sooooo much. ( hard to detect sarchasm via the MB ) Toolen is a cool cat, and your attempt to slanderize him is not leaving a good impression on this MB. Sit back, relax, meditate, do something other that fanatasize over a DISC. Me and my guinea pig wish not to discuss this matter any further!

yo Lee, i understand your intentions, but dont rag on John for calling this out. review the thread like Gary suggests , then decide who you would rather stand with. if the VPO and the Club Championships were a bit more organized maybe so many people wouldnt be so worried that these new issues add to the growing uncertainties surrounding our club.

[cgflesner]

My thoughts exactly.

"Well, still no contact from Toolen after 1 month. The only one who is taking effort (besides me, and surprisingly, my mail carrier) is a very cool friend of Toolen. If he doesnt get me my goods, im looking forward to chronicling the prosecution efforts HERE! Ive done some preliminary research and If it involves the US postal system (like contracting to use the system to complete contracts), its a good chance that the person WILL BE SLAMMED. Also, when an Ebay auction has been paid for with Paypal, youve got an iron clad case AND they (Ebay now owns Paypal) have stepped up there prosecution efforts to answer the increase in this activity. Normally I'm not such a jerk, but him NEVER answering my many emails has driven me insane! I can just picture him reading them and chuckling, while sitting back and relaxing. It isn't like you havnt been warned, Terry Toolen! "

This was a statement made by Rocsteady on a similar thread,on this MB, under PDGA tournament info.

Everybody , please understand that this is the statement I am refering to. Off of this thread, you do not get the whole picture. Little different isnt it!

Those whom may know Terry, will know that he has recently changed jobs, and his internet accessibility is somewhat less than it used to be. Like I said earlier " $ hit happens "

I refuse to sit by and let a friend "GET SLAMMED" when there are extenuating circumstances present. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Please feel free to go back and review the original thread started on this topic!

Roc Steady. Take a pill dude! I spoke with toolen last night. Your " precious " is on the way. I sure am glad all this fuss was made about this, collectivly we have accomplished sooooo much. ( hard to detect sarchasm via the MB ) Toolen is a cool cat, and your attempt to slanderize him is not leaving a good impression on this MB. Sit back, relax, meditate, do something other that fanatasize over a DISC. Me and my guinea pig wish not to discuss this matter any further!

yo Lee, i understand your intentions, but dont rag on John for calling this out. review the thread like Gary suggests , then decide who you would rather stand with. if the VPO and the Club Championships were a bit more organized maybe so many people wouldnt be so worried that these new issues add to the growing uncertainties surrounding our club.



Pat, club issues are of no concern to me. For I am not a member! ( YET ) I was only standing up for a friend whom as of right now, has not a voice on the internet! Could things and issues with the ADGA be different right now, YES. Is anybody stepping up and doing anything about it , not that I have seen. IMO, it is really hard to be critical of people when they VOLUNTEER their time for a good cause. Could more be done to better the Club Championships / VPO , always. Could more people step up and make a contribution towards the cause, sure. Unfortunately that is the problem with what we do, to many players, not enough workers. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT! I know there is a fabulous following of the ADGA, and all of its members are great people. I wish I could be more involved. But time is always an issue with me!

[bslamoreaux]

Roc Steady. Take a pill dude! I spoke with toolen last night. Your " precious " is on the way. I sure am glad all this fuss was made about this, collectivly we have accomplished sooooo much. ( hard to detect sarchasm via the MB ) Toolen is a cool cat, and your attempt to slanderize him is not leaving a good impression on this MB. Sit back, relax, meditate, do something other that fanatasize over a DISC. Me and my guinea pig wish not to discuss this matter any further!

yo Lee, i understand your intentions, but dont rag on John for calling this out. review the thread like Gary suggests , then decide who you would rather stand with. if the VPO and the Club Championships were a bit more organized maybe so many people wouldnt be so worried that these new issues add to the growing uncertainties surrounding our club.



Pat, club issues are of no concern to me. For I am not a member! ( YET ) I was only standing up for a friend whom as of right now, has not a voice on the internet! Could things and issues with the ADGA be different right now, YES. Is anybody stepping up and doing anything about it , not that I have seen. IMO, it is really hard to be critical of people when they VOLUNTEER their time for a good cause. Could more be done to better the Club Championships / VPO , always. Could more people step up and make a contribution towards the cause, sure. Unfortunately that is the problem with what we do, to many players, not enough workers. PLEASE DO NOT TAKE THIS OUT OF CONTEXT! I know there is a fabulous following of the ADGA, and all of its members are great people. I wish I could be more involved. But time is always an issue with me!



Lee, there are people stepping up behind the scenes to help the ADGA CC's and VPO situation. Not everything is broadcast here on the board's.

Brian

[my_hero]

yo Lee, i understand your intentions, but dont rag on John for calling this out. review the thread like Gary suggests , then decide who you would rather stand with. if the VPO and the Club Championships were a bit more organized maybe so many people wouldnt be so worried that these new issues add to the growing uncertainties surrounding our club.



I don't think he was ragging on me. He's just defending Toolen, as we all should to a certain degree. Glad to read that it should be settled soon, as the disc is claimed to be in the mail.

The CC's and VPO take a lot of work....a lot of volunteered, thankLESS work. I for one can't do much more than write a check for a keg and donate some QUALITY plastic. We really need to have some of the *members* that have taken from this club year after year STEP UP. The club is full of people that have NEVER done anything except show up late for minis and TAKE, TAKE, TAKE.

Anyways, let's hope that the club is in good shape(financially, and spiritually), and that we can pull together some quality events with the short time frame we'll be working with. So, lets pull off a few big shows so we can resume the more important hamster, manatee, wife swapping, and now guinea pig talk.

[sandalman]

wife swapping? dang, i didnt get that invite :(

[bslamoreaux]

yo Lee, i understand your intentions, but dont rag on John for calling this out. review the thread like Gary suggests , then decide who you would rather stand with. if the VPO and the Club Championships were a bit more organized maybe so many people wouldnt be so worried that these new issues add to the growing uncertainties surrounding our club.



I don't think he was ragging on me. He's just defending Toolen, as we all should to a certain degree. Glad to read that it should be settled soon, as the disc is claimed to be in the mail.

The CC's and VPO take a lot of work....a lot of volunteered, thankLESS work. I for one can't do much more than write a check for a keg and donate some QUALITY plastic. We really need to have some of the *members* that have taken from this club year after year STEP UP. The club is full of people that have NEVER done anything except show up late for minis and TAKE, TAKE, TAKE.

Anyways, let's hope that the club is in good shape(financially, and spiritually), and that we can pull together some quality events with the short time frame we'll be working with. So, lets pull off a few big shows so we can resume the more important hamster, manatee, wife swapping, and now guinea pig talk.



John, I told you I was sorry about breaking that lamp next to your bed. She said she cleaned it up before you came home... :D

[my_hero]

Those night table lamps are a dime a dozen. I'm more concerned about my cryZtal chandelier. I know from experience that it can support Mrs.Hero. You should have known that it couldn't support your weight!

[juliwithnoe]

You men sure have alot of time on your hands. I wonder does the Mrs. women have any idea what you two are up to on this board /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif you all really need to get back to work!

[bslamoreaux]

You men sure have alot of time on your hands. I wonder does the Mrs. women have any idea what you two are up to on this board /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif you all really need to get back to work!



Back to work? Yes ma'am.... :p

[discgolfdog]

I don't have a wife, but my Jack Russell looks too much like an oversized hamster to let Lamorhoochie around it. :eek:

[lauranovice]

wow, Brian, you sure snap to attention when Ms. Juli says something. Do I detect a little submisive/dom stuff in this thread, too? :eek:

[sandalman]

There's a new game
We like to play you see
A game with added reality
You treat me like a hamster
Get me down on my knees

We call it master and servant
We call it master and servant

It's a lot like life
This play between the sheets
With you on top and me underneath
Forget all about equality

Let's play master and servant
Let's play master and servant

It's a lot like life
And that's what's appealing
If you despise that throwaway feeling
From disposable fun
Then this is the one

Domination's the name of the game
In bed or in life
They're both just the same
Except in one you're fulfilled
At the end of the day

Let's play master and servant
Let's play master and servant

Let's play master and servant
Come on master and servant

[my_hero]

Huh.

Is it Jazz? Blues? Rock? Rap? Contemporary?

Sadistic minds need to know.

[discgolfdog]

Thanks alot guys, now I can't shake this visual of a hamster in leather and Brian with a big smile on his face.
(I'm probably going to die on Sunday at the hands of the HEAD HAMSTA) :D

[my_hero]

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http://eclectech.co.uk/b3ta/partymouse.jpg

[discgolfdog]

ok, we're both going to die Sunday.

[bslamoreaux]

Yep. That’s real funny stuff guys.

Can’t you talk about Lee and his admissions of little pig love?

See you on Sunday…
;)

[my_hero]

ok, we're both going to die Sunday.



I have 911 on speed dial. Probably won't matter b/c after seeing what he and Mrs.H did to the cryZtal chandelier, i'll be nothing more than DNA pulp.

[sandalman]

Master and Servant by Depeche Mode. sheesh!

Yep. That’s real funny stuff guys.

Can’t you talk about Lee and his admissions of little pig love?

See you on Sunday…
;)



Pardon me sir's, thats Guinea Pig .......
How dare you offend Gertrude, she is quite sensative!

[my_hero]

Master and Servant by Depeche Mode. sheesh!



Obviously changing the word DOG with HAMSTER threw me off. It did a whole lot more for BL. :eek: I love message boards with happy endings! :D

[rocsteady]

any news would be helpful

[gnduke]

Are you still waiting for delivery ?

[my_hero]

Somewhere in the ADGA constitution is states that an ADGA member shall be the only one permitted to change the subject lines on the ADGA message board threads.

Didn't see you at the CC's, so i know you haven't renewed yet. :p :D

Key party??????????? I am down, I just hope ( for my sake ) that your wife looks better than mine! :D:D:D

[my_hero]

Finally, some decent DISCussion.

I was wanting to score a fox, not one of your G pigs. Are those innova's newest discs? The Fox and The Guinea Pig?

http://eclectech.co.uk/b3ta/partymouse.jpg

oh John, U so funny!
" I banged one in with my new guinea pig " I am a DIRTY BOY!
Sounds great, who wants to petition Innova for the Guinea Pig?

[gnduke]

I'm sure that I'm a member though not current.

If I am mistaken I will join, If the club offers a lifetime membership, I will opt for that.

[my_hero]

I'm just messing witcha. You prolly already know that. Thanks for the bins!

[seewhere]

just wanted to change the title :p :D

[my_hero]

Tisk...Tisk.....

[jdavidson]

Ware made me do it! :D

[my_hero]

Ware i can understand, but Jim!!!!! :D

Want to hear something crazy? I took 2nd place at bear creek last night. :mad:

Want to hear something even crazier? I didn't hit the $600 ace. :mad:

Want to hear the most crazy thing ever? My dad won a $30,000 Mitsubishi Raider 4-door truck from a church raffle(that he doesn't even belong to) ...cost him $10 for ONE ticket. :eek: :cool:

[reddman]

That's the way to win stuff. I tend to buy 3 tickets for $5. If I recall correctly, that's what I did when I won a margarita machine! :cool: Congrats to your Dad!

[gotcha]

Did someone say margarita machine?

[my_hero]

Thanks Mark!

Sister is in town this weekend. Rita machine will be ON for the length of her visit. Yummmmmy.

Jerry, i sold my old yellow machine to the UPS guy. Sayre hooked me up with a brand new one. Only problem is.....it's Dallas Cowboy colors, blue/silver. Too bad he didn't have any Miami Dolphin colors. :D

[gnduke]

Thanks Mark!

Sister is in town this weekend. Rita machine will be ON for the length of her visit. Yummmmmy.

Jerry, i sold my old yellow machine to the UPS guy. Sayre hooked me up with a brand new one. Only problem is.....it's Dallas Cowboy colors, blue/silver. Too bad he didn't have any Miami Dolphin colors. :D



If it were fin colored, wouldn't the ritas have a Cuban flavor ?

[my_hero]

:D

Thanks for the bins Gary.

[seewhere]

dang it JD dont make me :D

Whe beat you @ Bear Creek last night?

[my_hero]

Local named Bill. He's been finishing 2nd and 3rd lately. This was his first win. Go Bill Go!

Groovy

[jugggg]

So did Toolen finally mail out the disc or what?

[rocsteady]

Roc Steady. Take a pill dude! I spoke with toolen last night. Your " precious " is on the way. I sure am glad all this fuss was made about this, collectivly we have accomplished sooooo much. ( hard to detect sarchasm via the MB ) Toolen is a cool cat, and your attempt to slanderize him is not leaving a good impression on this MB. Sit back, relax, meditate, do something other that fanatasize over a DISC. Me and my guinea pig wish not to discuss this matter any further!



This was the last information ive gotten, from 9/27. And Discboomer, the auction ended August 18th. If youve walked out to your mailbox 50 times looking for an ebay item, youll understand how it feels. This silly disc has cost me more in time and grief than any 2 discs ive ever bought.
"dont critisize another man until you've walked a mile in ther shoes, This way, they can't chase you, because they have no shoes!"

Sorry Roc Steady, I have a little more going on in my life than waiting for a disc in the mail. Obsesive compulsive much? Besides, I get my plastic the old fashioned way, I WIN IT!

[brookep]

My $.02 seems like Toolen is a tool for not shipping the disc. I know life can sometimes be rough but he had time to list the disc and obviously had time to accept the payment so what could be the hold up? I have had similar expierences with ebay sellers of discs. The sale isn't over untill the item is recieved.

On another note I thought Texan's were only into Long Horns!? :D

[m_conners]

So did you receive your disc yet?

I had a similar situation a couple years ago...I paid for the disc and the seller would not return messages or emails. I had to contact paypal and ebay and still did not receive what I paid for. Never even got a refund either.

Toolen is a great dude but not sending out RocSteady's purchased disc is pretty lousy.

[rocsteady]

No, not yet. no contact yet since the message back in this thread saying it was on the way.

Now I concede, this is silly. RocSteady, you have merit in your qualms with Toolen. Friend or not, this is silly.

[m_conners]

No, not yet. no contact yet since the message back in this thread saying it was on the way.



Sorry man!

What kind of Roc was it? 11 timer?

[rocsteady]

Thanks, yall for going with me on this bogus adventure. In 7 days, it will be 2 months (August 18th) since Auction ended. I think Ill bake a cake. I still think, based on what you've said about him, that Terry will come through...

[cgflesner]

I got $10 that says you don't get it before VPO.

[sandalman]

that's about all that Roc is worth isnt it? :D

[rocsteady]

Considering the time ive spent (about 60 different messages and postings, its worth a whole lot more than that to me!

They've gone dark......(Still no word for quite a while now-since the last post). Happy 2 month anniversary.

[gnduke]

What kind of cake did you get ?

Is that the paper or gold anniversary?

[rocsteady]

At last. He inluded 3 mini's. Ill post positive feedback with no mention of this manner. Please post positve for me.

Thanks to all who helped out!

[jasonc]

I'm glad to see you finally recieved your disc. Thanks for the patience and willingness to believe the word of a bunch of strangers. I'm just sorry it took so freakin long .

Thank god this is over with!

[rocsteady]

Word to the JC. Without you, this whole thing couldve gotten ugly!

[sandalman]

yes, thank god this whole thing did not get ugly :D

[cgflesner]

I know I learned not to buy discs from Toolen on E-Bay. :D:p :D :) :o

ditto!
i will just drive 20 minutes and do it face to face !

[m_conners]

At last. He inluded 3 mini's. Ill post positive feedback with no mention of this manner. Please post positve for me.

Thanks to all who helped out!



Congratulations, you finally got your disc!!!

[cgflesner]

Was the VPO turned in on time this year?

I know it is a long shot, but today is the cut off.

[jasonc]

Terry had all of the applicable info 10 days ago and said he would make sure it was in on time. I guess we'll wait and see /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif.

[my_hero]

Was the VPO turned in on time this year?

I know it is a long shot, but today is the cut off.



What are the odds? This may be worth betting on. :D

[cgflesner]

I got $5 on no.

I sure hope that I am wrong, because I need those rating points. They would be doubled too, come on Terry.

[my_hero]

I could use my 1036 rated final round too!

Another 5 on NO from the discboomer!

[seewhere]

I would say NO as well otherwise your $$ from the event would already show up. example outlaws is finally showing up ..

[my_hero]

Was the VPO turned in on time this year?

I know it is a long shot, but today is the cut off.




Doesn't look like it! I would have finished the year with the elusive 1000+ rating if it had been. So So SAD!

Current Rating: 997

[McCabe]

I could use my 1036 rated final round too!


I would have liked if Mr. Jim's Pizza would have been turned in. :(

[my_hero]

What! Mr. Jims too! That makes 2 big tournaments missing for you Sprout.

The 120-200 players that showed up to these events deserve better SERVICE. There's NO excuse for these actions, or lack there of. Just down right PITIFUL . :confused:

SECOND!

[discgolfdog]

Jigglyman, your boss is driving me nuts today! He actually asked if we were working Saturday. :mad:

Hero, Dogg, get back to work!

[discgolfdog]

The jigglyone is on vacation today.

[my_hero]

Jigglyman, your boss is driving me nuts today! He actually asked if we were working Saturday. :mad:



I'd be better off at work. A and R are driving me bonkers. A has had me doing a lot of "busy work" the last 4 days.

As far as your boss's request.....the answer is NO, it's Christmas Weekend for Santa's sake!

[sandalman]

What! Mr. Jims too! That makes 2 big tournaments missing for you Sprout.

The 120-200 players that showed up to these events deserve better SERVICE. There's NO excuse for these actions, or lack there of. Just down right PITIFUL . :confused:



aw quit yer whinin... you still woulda ended up at 999.38 - and there is NO rounding UP :D

Patience John.
Looks like several locals got screwed by this one .
CFles and My Hero walking the fine line of 1000 .....

[my_hero]

I don't like your calculations. :D

[cgflesner]

What do we have to do to get this turned in by the next update which is the end of Jan?

I am very unhappy about this situation and I am sure that I am not the only ADGA memeber who feels this way. :mad:

[vinnie]

I understand everyone's belly aching. Now which one of you passionate people will take the final results on the last day of the event and have them completed by the following week for next year? (insert cricket sounds)
Terry has done a great job considering and he is not at the house pondering how he can screw you disc golfers. But HE MAY NEED HELP! I can see there is plenty of passionate and concerned people of the VPO. TRY: "I really think VPO could be better, what can I do to make it better?"

[cgflesner]

Ok Vinnie.

There are a couple of issues that we are dealing with which you do not know about and I don't wish to air out on the message board.

Terry had over a month to turn in the data. :confused:

[vinnie]

interesting...anything I can do?

[my_hero]

I understand everyone's belly aching. Now which one of you passionate people will take the final results on the last day of the event and have them completed by the following week for next year? (insert cricket sounds)
Terry has done a great job considering and he is not at the house pondering how he can screw you disc golfers. But HE MAY NEED HELP! I can see there is plenty of passionate and concerned people of the VPO.



C'mon Vinnie. You of all people should know that the paperwork is part of the tournament. THE PLAYERS PAID FOR THIS SERVICE to be completed, and it was not. :confused: Don't you think someone would have stepped up and filed the paperwork had they known it WAS NOT going to be done? I sure would have, and i know at least a handful of others that would have too.

[vinnie]

THE PLAYERS PAID FOR THIS SERVICE

who got paid?
VERY COOL.
John will do the report next year :D

[my_hero]

Yes, john would much rather do the report than see 120+ paying customers get shafted.

[vinnie]

you have been appointed

[sandalman]

I understand everyone's belly aching. Now which one of you passionate people will take the final results on the last day of the event and have them completed by the following week for next year? (insert cricket sounds)

i offered last year and was turned away. i dont hear no crickets. i'll gladly offer to take the results at the next ADGA event and have them posted within 24-36 hours.

Seems that there are a lot of peep's that wanted to help but got declined ......... Very interesting.

[gnduke]

I'm only a phone call/email/pm away.

[gnduke]

THE PLAYERS PAID FOR THIS SERVICE


who got paid?



I sent my money to the TD.

I pay for the things that I can read in the sanctioning agreement that the TD of a sanctioned event has agreed to provide to the players. This includes following the rules, expected levels of payout, and timely filing of results with the PDGA so my rating stays up to date.

Anything delivered above and beyond those basics are things that would encourage me to pay higher entry fees and return to that event. Any of those things not done encourage me to avoid the event in the future.

[tbender]

Well put Gary.

If you cannot abide by the entire TD agreement, don't sign it.

See what happens when we dont work as a team.........

Some people are not strong enought to admit when they need help...

[my_hero]

THE PLAYERS PAID FOR THIS SERVICE


who got paid?



I sent my money to the TD.

I pay for the things that I can read in the sanctioning agreement that the TD of a sanctioned event has agreed to provide to the players. This includes following the rules, expected levels of payout, and timely filing of results with the PDGA so my rating stays up to date.

Anything delivered above and beyond those basics are things that would encourage me to pay higher entry fees and return to that event. Any of those things not done encourage me to avoid the event in the future.



That's my point exactly. 120+ players already paid for the service. The report wasn't overlooked, it was neglected. No excuse could justify not filing. :mad:

[gregbrowning]

I told you guys, he is too busy sending out all those eBay auction discs to get the report finished.

[vinnie]

Ok next year.
Lee, Pat, and John take some food over to Toolens (B.Q.), some adult beverages and together get the report sent in. I wish someone would bring food to my house after Outlaws2007. HINT!...HINT!....HINT!......HECK with hint, whos comin to my house?

[cgflesner]

It is kinda funny how the only person defending Toolen is somebody who does not like to turn his own tournament info in on time. :eek:

[vinnie]

I think its kind of funny how the only people bashing toolen....has never run a tournament :eek:

[cgflesner]

Only person?

I think not. Try most of the ADGA. If they want me to run the VPO next year I will. :D

[my_hero]

V-man SHUT YOUR DONKEY. You're not here to hear people offering help only to hear the same reply "I'll take care of it."

Don't make me push the "ignore this user" button. I still love you though. :D

[vinnie]

sounds like a new t.d.
Merry xmas you guys

[McCabe]

I think its kind of funny how the only people bashing toolen....has never run a tournament :eek:


I've ran plenty of Tournaments with NO help,...it's not that hard to get the paper work done!

[cgflesner]

Ya!!!

Nice showing at the players cup e-mac.

[cgflesner]

Somebody got the ball rolling and turned in the VPO. :D

THANK YOU.!!!!

now if Brian James can just loose the paper work on carilton I would be loving it.

I promise this , there will not be these issues next year @ VPO.

[sandalman]

who's gonna count to make sure?

[my_hero]

I'm nominating Lee and the FunkyTownFlyers for Operation 4-R: Rebuild, Reinforce, Remember, & Recognize.

I gave myself an unexpected belated Xmas present today (12/30), i reinjured myself. If someone had a camera rolling it would have made AFV (Americas funniest videos) You've seen the clips year after year. You know, the one's with step stools, christmas trees, falling people, and mass destruction. Yeppers. Ouch! :confused:

[jasonc]

Arlington Disc Golf Association
Club Directors Positions

The ADGA is preparing to form a Board of Directors to help disperse the duties of the club, create a checks-and-balance system, and advance the club’s unity. If any of these positions interest you, please notify Terry Toolen no later than Sunday, January 14, 2007. On that day, prior to the weekly mini, all volunteers for the Director positions will have a chance to present themselves, and say why they would like to hold a seat on the Board of Directors. Ballots will be available no later than Sunday, January 21, 2007. You will be able to pick up a ballot at any ADGA mini, or download the ballot on-line, and email your votes to theadgavote@yahoo.com. All Votes will be tallied on Saturday, February 17, 2007. Results will be presented at the ADGA Sunday Mini the next day.


Vice-Chairman of the Board:
The Vice-Chairman shall assist the Chairman/President and shall be second in charge when ever the Chairman is not available. The Vice- Chairman shall be a PDGA member and official and is to be a standing Director elected by the Board of Directors. The Vice – Chairman will also have the duties of sergeant-at-arms during club meetings.

Director of Finance (Treasurer):
Prepare the budget, present it to the board for approval, and ensure that club activities adhere to the budget.
Maintain accurate financial records.
Transact business through the bank.
Inform the club of its financial strengths and weaknesses.
File appropriate forms with the Internal Revenue Service by February 15.
Disburse funds and pay bills promptly as approved by the board of directors.
Reconcile bank statements.
Bill members for unpaid dues.
Deposit club funds.

Director of Membership/Communication (Secretary):
The Membership Director shall oversee all aspects of membership including but not limited to: collection of dues, maintaining a club database, correspondence with members, and regular projects to help grow the Club. This officer shall oversee the Club web site and maintain the Club email address. The Club shall pay for all service charges.

Director of Promotions:
The Promotions Director shall be responsible for Club public relations. This includes notifying media of special events and contacts with the respective Parks departments. This officer shall coordinate fund raising efforts with Event Directors for specific events and shall accept applications and appoint leaders and staff for special clinics and promotions. The Promotions Director will also be responsible for preparing the club newsletter.

Director of Facilities:
The Facilities Director shall be responsible for course maintenance, course improvements and course development. This officer shall conduct monthly clean-up and maintenance projects as well as coordinating work with the respective parks departments. All course modifications must be approved by a referendum vote by the membership.


Thank you; to all the Arlington Disc Golf Association club members for your continuing dedication and support to the club. This is your chance to be heard!

[lauranovice]

I'm sorry to hear about the injury, John. Hope you heal well and quickly.
I'm happy to hear about the return of an actual club, Jason.
That looks great! It is the best news from ADGA in years!

That sucks John , how long u out 4 ?

Looks like Pat needs another consultant for ke'Ohana..... :D

[vinnie]

looks like some good work going on.
Make sure one of the B.O.D. duties is to communicate with other club/td reps on disc golf PROmotions

looks like some good work going on.
Make sure one of the B.O.D. duties is to communicate with other club/td reps on disc golf PROmotions



Second. The whole " clique " mentality of the local disc golf scene HAS to disappear.

[vinnie]

Second. The whole " clique " mentality of the local disc golf scene HAS to disappear.


Local and state wide!

[sandalman]

why stop at the state line? all borders are artificial. why should DFW care more about Houston than OKC? OKC is closer.

We should care about disc golf , and disc golfers . Nothing more.

[my_hero]

how long u out 4 ?



Hopefully not long enough to keep me out of Cedar Hill's Big Show event or the Almighty Z-Boaz open. Who really knows? I pretty much regressed 13 months!

[sandalman]

so who's running for what?

I'm nominating Lee and the FunkyTownFlyers for Operation 4-R: Rebuild, Reinforce, Remember, & Recognize.




I need a clarification on this statement! Please !

[jasonc]

As stated in the previous post, if you are interested in any of the postions, let Terry Toolen know by January 14th. You may also email your request to run for a position to theadgavote@yahoo.com. This will probably be the better way to inform us that you are running.

[sandalman]

i'm not running for anything, or requesting that i run for anything, or informing anyone that i am running for anything. anyhow, i'm just asking if anyone knows of anyone who is running for anything yet. :cool:

[lauranovice]

i'm running for the restroom..........

[lauranovice]

okay, i'm better now

i'm not running for anything, or requesting that i run for anything, or informing anyone that i am running for anything. anyhow, i'm just asking if anyone knows of anyone who is running for anything yet. :cool:



Well, I was nominated for the Director of Promotions position. I will accept the nomination. As for the other positions , I would like to formally nominate Ginetta Chamberlain for the Director of Finances . And Jason Chamberlain for the Chairperson position.

[my_hero]

I'll go out on a limb and nominate myself to be the official nominator. :p

I'm nominating Lee and the FunkyTownFlyers for Operation 4-R: Rebuild, Reinforce, Remember, & Recognize.




I need a clarification on this statement! Please !



My Hero, still need a clarification on this statement.
What does it mean. Your answer could greatly effect tomorrows meeting in Funkytown.

BTW- I nominate My Hero for the co-chairperson position.

[my_hero]

Hmmm.....1R= rebuild the club, 2R= reinforce what's still in place, 3R= remember how we got to where we once were and how we got to where we are now, 4R= after the 1st 3R's are accomplished; Recgonize the newer, stronger, more unified ADGA.

[sandalman]

hey weetawd... there is no co-whatever position. look at jason's post. there isnt even a chairman role. i know i wasnt at the meeting so maybe i am missing something... how can there be a "vice-boobah" without a "boobah"?

[my_hero]

BTW- I nominate My Hero for the co-chairperson position.



As the official nominator it is my duty to withdraw Lee's nomination of My_Hero for any position. :p

[my_hero]

hey weetawd... there is no co-whatever position. look at jason's post. there isnt even a chairman role. i know i wasnt at the meeting so maybe i am missing something... how can there be a "vice-boobah" without a "boobah"?



Toolen will remain as the head "boobah."....from what i gathered. Remember this meeting was attended by 100% disc golfers, staying on track hardly happened...especially once PepperTee showed himself. :eek:

[my_hero]

....incidentally, Ryan's orange "Boobah" makes strange farting noises. :confused:

[sandalman]

we have the red/pink one. whats really upsetting is that i used to know all their names.

hey weetawd... there is no co-whatever position. look at jason's post. there isnt even a chairman role. i know i wasnt at the meeting so maybe i am missing something... how can there be a "vice-boobah" without a "boobah"?



a thousand pardons ,vice- chairperson.......

Should it not be leetawd if you are refering to me ? :D

[lauranovice]

that is soooooo fun!
I just googled Boobah and played on the preschool interactive. I might start doing that rather than reading the board when I need a little short escape from adulthood job related realities.

[my_hero]

Whew.....i thought you were going to say..."when i googled Boobah a pic of Toolen appeared"

Don't blame me TT, Pat started it! :D

Whew.....i thought you were going to say..."when i googled Boobah a pic of Toolen appeared"

:



lmfao

[sandalman]

the official boohbah website (http://www.boohbah.com/)

PBS Kids Boohbah site (http://pbskids.org/boohbah/boohbah.html)

both are awesome for wasting time and teaching your daughters to laugh at fart sounds :D

Humbah - yellow
Zumbah - purple
Zing Zing Zingbah - orange
Jumbah - blue
Jingbah - pink

(just like discs, but they all weigh the same)

[my_hero]

DocB has officially been nominated for the growth and cultivation of the course and the club(ADGA), preferably in his field of choice; Organic Science. :eek:

[vinnie]

I nominate or "is" telling John to become the Meeting Facilitator. "M.F." :D
I am a paid due member of the A.D.G.A.
It may not be an official post. but every meeting needs one.
A.D.G.A. would benefit from 1 hour of meeting to be concentrated on work. Everyone respects you :confused: and you know everyone involved.

[sandalman]

i nominate VINNIE! he's a Member and he cares more than most of our other members :D

[vinnie]

I would be honored, but its a lil bit of a drive for me to attend meetings. Pat......I think you should step up for something...anything

[sandalman]

i am in the mini TD rotation. i offered to help with the financial mangement, but that went a different direction, no problem. when my degree is complete at the end of April i may get back some discretionary time. until then i am swamped with school, work, PDGA board and family. so for at least the first half of the year my best contributions will be TDing on sundays, running the Own the Hole series, and picking up empties from the course.

[vinnie]

very good...revisit in april

[jasonc]

Lee Letts is running for Director of Promotions
Jason Chamberlain is running for Director of Finance
Ginetta Chamberlain is running for Director of Membership/Communication. That is all for now.

[gregbrowning]

Ginetta Chamberlain is running for Director of Membership/Communication. That is all for now.



I was going to throw my name in for this one, but no way am I running against Ginetta. :D

[sandalman]

i think someone should though. no offense to the Chamberlains at all, but in many circumstances it is not good policy to have husband/wife teams hold top level positions in an organization. it leaves the organization open to much more turmoil in the event of a leadership change. just a thought.

[discgolfdog]

I don't want the responsibilities of the vice-dic, but I will volunteer to run the meetings. Rule #1, no alcahol until after the meeting. Rule #2, see rule #1!The meetings should be more orderly. Much less of people trying to talk over each other. ALSO, somebody needs to keep the group on topic. There's too much rambling and not enough substance.

[gregbrowning]

i think someone should though. no offense to the Chamberlains at all, but in many circumstances it is not good policy to have husband/wife teams hold top level positions in an organization. it leaves the organization open to much more turmoil in the event of a leadership change. just a thought.



Good point. I'll go ahead and run, but keep in mind there are only about 5 people in the ADGA who have any clue who I am.

Can somebody who talks to Terry please let him know I'll be running for Director of Membership? Thanks.

[jasonc]

i think someone should though. no offense to the Chamberlains at all, but in many circumstances it is not good policy to have husband/wife teams hold top level positions in an organization. it leaves the organization open to much more turmoil in the event of a leadership change. just a thought.



I'll gladly pull one or both of our names off of the ballot if anyone thinks this is an issue.

And, to be truthful, after the time and effort we have put in that statement pisses me off.

[seewhere]

look out Jason is Mad :D:p

And, to be truthful, after the time and effort we have put in that statement pisses me off.



Rightfully so.

Funny how nobody complains when it is done on a volunteer basis.

[sandalman]

thats why it wasnt directed at you jason. a lot of well-run businesses are run by couples. to recognize that the situation creates unique continuity issues seems reasonable.

[discgolfdog]

i think someone should though. no offense to the Chamberlains at all, but in many circumstances it is not good policy to have husband/wife teams hold top level positions in an organization. it leaves the organization open to much more turmoil in the event of a leadership change. just a thought.


As far as the issues facing the club at this time, what you are talking about isn't one of them. The club should be happy they are both willing to donate their time and energy. This is just the ADGA, not IBM.

[sandalman]

what about Lett's $1,000,000,000 VPO for 2007? :D

what about Lett's $1,000,000,000 VPO for 2007? :D



WHat ? :confused:

[my_hero]

what about Lett's $1,000,000,000 VPO for 2007? :D



Talk about a great payout! Thanks Lee. We need it after this years VPO.

That should beef up atendance!

Last place cash, Female Grandmaster Divison $245,658.13

[lauranovice]

"The club should be happy they are both willing to donate their time and energy."
There would be no ADGA/VPO without the Chamberlains. Definitely no future without them. They should get 95% of credit for any positive about ADGA/VPO 2006.
However, most of the problems currently with ADGA/VPO should not be blamed on them. Some things are just beyond their control.

"The club should be happy they are both willing to donate their time and energy."
There would be no ADGA/VPO without the Chamberlains. Definitely no future without them.



Second.

Some people............ :mad:

[gregbrowning]

I'm not throwing my name into this just for the sake of shaking things up and causing problems, even though that's one of the things I do best. :D

I actually have the honest goal of wanting to make the ADGA better. Who's to say that some fresh blood couldn't offer some fresh ideas and insight?

If any of you want to support me in this, then I thank you wholeheartedly. If not, I can understand and appreciate that as well.

[cgflesner]

I would like to thank Toolen for not returning my discs to me that I left at the VPO awards and trading them to some local guy that would not return them.

You are a real stand up guy Toolen. :mad:

**** messed up considering I have my name and pdga# on the front of all my discs. Karma will be on your side.

[seewhere]

local guy that would not return them

WHAT beat them out of his #$*&$!!!!!!

[gregbrowning]

I would like to thank Toolen for not returning my discs to me that I left at the VPO awards and trading them to some local guy that would not return them.

You are a real stand up guy Toolen. :mad:

**** messed up considering I have my name and pdga# on the front of all my discs. Karma will be on your side.



Chris, I don't know you from a hole in the wall, but from the few times I have been around you, I think the assessment that the local in question made about the way you treat people was fairly accurate. Also, I talked to the guy during the round on Sunday as we were on the same card and I think you might be blaming the wrong person named Toolen. Get your facts straight before you come on the board trying to hang someone out to dry.

[cgflesner]

Oh yeah.
how many people named Terry are out there?

I only know of one and I left my discs at awards where he was. Sounds like a darn good assumption to me. But please set me straight.

[DGBAMA92]

Ok Chris. I think you have aired the fact about your discs at VPO at both The VET and Boaz, Understandably you are upset. But the fact who did what I do not know. But to keep airing it and now on the Thread just to jab at someone is going overkill. If you want to settle it....settle it face to face. I know you dont like people talking behind your back and you are doing just that. He looks at this thread once in a blue moon. I think enough is enough. Just ease up till you talk to Toolen. If this pisses you off - OH WELL - not ment to. And Chris , I'm just trying to help out friend. Plus it does not sound like something he would do.

[cgflesner]

I didn't even go out to z-boaz on sun?

But whatever you will not see my post on this thread anymore. :p

[DGBAMA92]

Just trying to ease things up. Talk to Toolen and see what he says. It's your call on being on this thread or not. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D