2006 No Foolin

[wbrady]

No Foolin - PDGA B-Tier tournament.
Sunday March 26, 2006

This year No Foolin' is one of the eight MDGO featured events. Twelve berths to the Michigan State Championship Tournament at Ludington will be awarded at No Foolin'. Berths are invitations to the tournament. Players will be required to pay their own entry fees if they attend. Visit www.mdgo.org (http://www.mdgo.org) for more information on the State Championship Tournament.

Winners of Am1 and Women's A1 will win a paid entry into this years Discraft Great Lakes Open to be held on June 23, 24 and 25.

Note: A $10.00 fee will be assessed for On-Site registration the day of the tournament.

Registration Fees
Division Online/Mail-In On-Site
Open $50.00 $60.00
Open Women $50.00 $60.00
Pro Masters $50.00 $60.00
Pro Grand Masters $50.00 $60.00
Am Masters $30.00 $40.00
Am I $30.00 $40.00
Am I Women $30.00 $40.00
Am II $25.00 $35.00
Am II Women $25.00 $35.00
Am III $20.00 $30.00
Juniors $20.00 $30.00

Tournament Schedule
8:00 am Players Check In
9:00 am Check In Closes. If you don't check-in before 9:00 your spot will be given to someone on the wait list.
9:30 am Players Meeting
10:00 am Tee-off 1st round
2:00 pm (approx.) Tee-off 2nd round

You can register online at www.a3disc.org (http://www.a3disc.org)

[DSproAVIAR]

Winners of Am1 and Women's A1 will win a paid entry into this years Discraft Great Lakes Open to be held on June 23, 24 and 25.


Promise?

[wbrady]

Yes, the winners of Am1 and Women's A1 will win a paid entry into this years Discraft Great Lakes Open to be held on June 23, 24 and 25. At last weeks A3 Disc board meeting it was voted on and approved.

We are going back to the 2 day format for the Am's at the DGLO. The Pro's will still play Friday, Saturday, Sunday using a staggered start. The Am's will play two rounds Saturday using shotgun start and one on Sunday. The Am's will play both the Monster and Original courses at the DGLO this year.

[DSproAVIAR]

Good news Bill. Thanks. I agree with these changes, not as much for my reasons, but because I know it will be better attended than last year due to the Friday round. And Pros don't have jobs anyway, so they can play Friday :DAre AM1's playing Monster Longs?!? I assume 2 rounds of Orginal will be Long/Short? I could go for some Blue/Black/Blue myself.

[wbrady]

It has not been decided what tees will be used at the DGLO. We have talked about Am1's playing Black,Yellow, and Blue. No promises. :cool:

[thetruthxl]

Come on! US AM1's want a piece of that long bstrd! Let the AM2's and 3's dust off the short pads! :D

[DSproAVIAR]

Blue=OG long
Red=OG short
Black=Monster long
Yellow=Monster short

Black tees!!!! Sounds good Bill. I think Yellow is more of a challenge than Red, and Red should be excluded. Perhaps I have this opinion because of my previous performance (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4644&year=2005&include_ratings=1#Advanced). Will the DGLO offer only 1 Men's Amateur division, as seen in the past?

[j_d]

Blue=OG long
Red=OG short
Black=Monster long
Yellow=Monster short

Black tees!!!! Sounds good Bill. I think Yellow is more of a challenge than Red, and Red should be excluded. Perhaps I have this opinion because of my previous performance (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4644&year=2005&include_ratings=1#Advanced). Will the DGLO offer only 1 Men's Amateur division, as seen in the past?



Daemon, I believe, is referring to Champ Yellow, which is defintely tougher than Red. For Champ Black/Yellow, how about making the greens a little more reasonable on Hole 8 and E? -- there are shrubs practically touching the basket -- you can be 10' from the basket and have nothing. I'm not advocating major surgery here, just a little prudent pruning.

[z Vaughn z]

How about Blues, Black, Toboggan!

[DweLLeR]

Toboggan!!! Yes, pls!!! That way I dont have to wait till USADGC to play it again!!!! (This time, all 1000+ rated rounds!) :D:p

[jHarr]

dang I'm outta town for the No Foolin...
but I see there's a toboggan event in the couple weeks prior to the amNats toohttp://www.freewebs.com/mtpleasantdiscgolf/statescheduleseries.htm aug19-20
they need to just put the course in early like april and be done with it http://www.tetongravity.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.tetongravity.com/ubb/cool.gif http://www.tetongravity.com/ubb/wink.gif

[DweLLeR]

I heard rumors that Toboggan was going to be permanant at some point?!?

[DSproAVIAR]

I heard rumors that Toboggan was going to be permanant at some point?!?


Pretty much. The sleeves are in forever. But the baskets come out for toboggan season. I don't think they will use it for DGLO till 07 tho.

[circlek13783]

I heard rumors that Toboggan was going to be permanant at some point?!?



Rumors are just that, unless confirmed by someone who knows.....

[wbrady]

The Toboggan course will not be used for the DGLO this year. We considered using it, but we couldn't get permission from Kensington Metropark. Maybe in 2007.

[thetruthxl]

I vote for the course to be in all year.

Last summer's tobogganning was terrible! ;)

[wbrady]

Less than two weeks till No Foolin on Sunday March 26. Tod More has been working with Hudson Mills to get the courses ready. Last fall A³ Disc donated just under $1000.00 worth of wood for 96 new tee signs. The new tee signs are done and should be in place before No Foolin.

Save $10.00 by registering online or by mail. More information at www.a3disc.org (http://www.a3disc.org)

[paerley]

I'm waiting for the word from 1-4 friends of mine who may be playing. I'll be there guarenteed, just need to know who all needs pre-regs.

[z Vaughn z]

I'll see all of you No Foolers in 12 days. Pre registered and ready to go......

[scottcwhite]

An MDGO event at my home course? Yea I'll be there :) Any word on course/tee pad layout or players packs? cough-cough-Surge-cough-cough

[cbdiscpimp]

An MDGO event at my home course? Yea I'll be there :) Any word on course/tee pad layout or players packs? cough-cough-Surge-cough-cough

Pat, what division?



cough cough hopefully not a D Stratus cough cough :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[BobbysGurl69]

It has not been decided what tees will be used at the DGLO. We have talked about Am1's playing Black,Yellow, and Blue. No promises. :cool:


what about for am1 women at the DGLO..what do we have to play what tees??

[thetruthxl]

I'll see all of you No Foolers in 12 days. Pre registered and ready to go......



pre-regged...look out! The Truth is coming....

You're not getting away from me this time, Vaughn! I'm coming for you, sucka! I'll moytalize ya! :D

[paerley]

GAH!!!

I prereged AM-1, but after seeing my round ratings from last weekend, I'm wondering if AM-2 isn't for me.... Maybe somone could pull some strings and get me and "THe TOOTH" err "THE TTRUTH" on the same card first round to talk me into AM-1. I still need to shoot a round with Mark.

[z Vaughn z]

Don't let the Yetti talk bring you down. His towering presence is enough to bring anyone's game to the sky. Keep playing Am1, you'll learn more. Shoot with better players and practice your arse off, its the only way to get better.

[DSproAVIAR]

pre-regged...look out! The Truth is coming....

You're not getting away from me this time, Vaughn! I'm coming for you, sucka! I'll moytalize ya! :D



You can chase ZV all you want, but I think if you want to win you'd have to beat someone a bit more Local (http://www.local101dg.com/).

[thetruthxl]

Alright, listen up...the Yeti Speaks:

Pat: I would be honored to play a round with you, however you must remain sober...I cannot carry you around in the shape you were in at the Glowie! :D

Zach: This is my year to regain our ties. Last year I didn't get to play a fistfull of tourneys, but I'll make the most of it this year...although I've got some work cut out for me after your Lumberjack Performance! Jolly Good Show, mate.

Daemon: Hop on for the ride, I'll put a sidecar on my new cart for you to witness TRUE YETI POWER! GRRRRRRRR!!!

:eek: :eek: :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[DSproAVIAR]

Really, that's funny. I also have a new cart. My cart brings out my TRUE SMALL PERSON POWER!. Hopefully we play the same format as last year, 24 Longs on both courses. Be prepared for the Black Monster! As long as we don't play the Champion pin placements, I think a Local (http://www.local101dg.com) will dominate.

[wbrady]

Be prepared for the Black Monster!



Yes, the Pro's and Am1's should plan on playing 24 holes from the long tees on both the Original and Monster courses. I have not heard if the Monster Champ baskets will be used. The TD will make the final decision on courses and tees, so anything is possible.

[paerley]

Pat: I would be honored to play a round with you, however you must remain sober...I cannot carry you around in the shape you were in at the Glowie! :D



I don't remember what you're talking about.....

[thetruthxl]

D- I hope youre in my group when I go for par on the monster hole! I want a witness. ;)

[thetruthxl]

Pat: I would be honored to play a round with you, however you must remain sober...I cannot carry you around in the shape you were in at the Glowie! :D



I don't remember what you're talking about.....



exactly.

[DSproAVIAR]

All it takes is a little 320' field ace-you can do it. Or, if you've got a CANNNON (http://www.a3disc.org/2001/aaronbonine-monsterpar.htm) , you probably need about 200'. The question is, which double bogey is that eagle going to offset? :D:DProbably hole A.

[BobbysGurl69]

Be prepared for the Black Monster!



Yes, the Pro's and Am1's should plan on playing 24 holes from the long tees on both the Original and Monster courses. I have not heard if the Monster Champ baskets will be used. The TD will make the final decision on courses and tees, so anything is possible.


so your telling me that AM1 women have to play from the longs??? are you crazy?? there's no way i can throw the monster from the longs. :(

[DSproAVIAR]

Throw 210' shots in the middle of the fairway and it's an easy 6, that should easily give you 1 or 2 strokes on the WA1 field. I took a 6 at Meltdown. Keep in mind that even the touring pros play that hole as a par 5(but they usually birdie)

[thetruthxl]

if you've got a CANNNON (http://www.a3disc.org/2001/aaronbonine-monsterpar.htm) , you probably need about 200'.



Who? That noodle arm?? I hear he's too busy with his acting (http://disney.go.com/disneypictures/shaggydog/) career! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :D

[bruce_brakel]

1. No matter what division you play, you'll be playing the same tees as everyone else in your division. Just think of it as three holes missing two baskets!
2. I haven't done the click, click, oh, back, back, but maybe you don't have to play women's advanced. Or if you do have to play advanced among women, you might have fun playing Men's Rec from the short tees.
3. Maybe by "Am1" he meant Men's Advanced. They ran the No Foolin as a R tier once or twice so I think they understand that Women's Advanced is three or four divisions below Silver.

But you never know. Maybe they intend that everyone playing in that pool should get ratings. Maybe they were planning on putting the Women Advanced in the Rec-Int pool. You should e-mail the TD.

[wbrady]

so your telling me that AM1 women have to play from the longs???



No, I only meant Am1 that the guys play in should be prepared for the long tees. I don't think Am1 women will play Monster long tees. The TD normally makes the decision the morning of No Foolin. The weather and how many players show up are considered.

Angel you should let us know what you would like to play. At least tell your father, since he will be the tournament official for No Foolin.

[terrycalhoun]

I think that you big-arm young Ams might find some interesting competition at no Foolin' :cool:

[cbdiscpimp]

Like who???

[BobbysGurl69]

so your telling me that AM1 women have to play from the longs???



No, I only meant Am1 that the guys play in should be prepared for the long tees. I don't think Am1 women will play Monster long tees. The TD normally makes the decision the morning of No Foolin. The weather and how many players show up are considered.

Angel you should let us know what you would like to play. At least tell your father, since he will be the tournament official for No Foolin.



he told me that i was playing longs. i honestly can't play longs its impossible even if i throw my hardest i'd be so sore and in lots of pain before the day is out.

[z Vaughn z]

I'm ready for this tournament...lets get it underway.

[paerley]

I'm ready for this tournament...lets get it underway.



I'll finally get to shoot the monster. How much harder is it than goliath? Any specialty shots I should know?

[bruce_brakel]

According to the SSAs, it is five to seven throws harder than the Goliath 24 you played at the DMDGS Finals in September 2005.

[thetruthxl]

Like who???



me.

[wbrady]

I just talked to Tod More the TD for No Foolin. Am1 Women will not be playing the Monster course from the long tees.

Two rounds of 24 holes
Pro's Monster Long Champ basket, Original Long
Am1 Men - Monster Long regular basket, Original Long
Am1 Women - Original Long, Monster Short (may play to Champ basket)
Am2 Women, Am2, Am3, Am Masters and Juniors - Original Short, Monster Short

The TD may make some changes based on the weather and number of players. So be sure to listen at the players meeting

[scottcwhite]

Pat, these pages should give you a good idea on the Monster:

Monster course without the extra holes
http://www.hereandthere.com/DiscGolf_New/Michigan/HudsonMillsMonster/hole1.htm

Original course without the extra holes
http://www.hereandthere.com/DiscGolf_New/Michigan/HudsonMillsOriginal/hole1.htm

[DSproAVIAR]

SWEET

[thetruthxl]

Pat, these pages should give you a good idea on the Monster:

Monster course without the extra holes
http://www.hereandthere.com/DiscGolf_New/Michigan/HudsonMillsMonster/hole1.htm

Original course without the extra holes
http://www.hereandthere.com/DiscGolf_New/Michigan/HudsonMillsOriginal/hole1.htm



Wow, it even looks scary on the web...brings back lots of memories!

That's a great site!!! We should do all the courses like that!

[BobbysGurl69]

I just talked to Tod More the TD for No Foolin. Am1 Women will not be playing the Monster course from the long tees.

Two rounds of 24 holes
Pro's Monster Long Champ basket, Original Long
Am1 Men - Monster Long regular basket, Original Long
Am1 Women - Original Long, Monster Short (may play to Champ basket)
Am2 Women, Am2, Am3, Am Masters and Juniors - Original Short, Monster Short

The TD may make some changes based on the weather and number of players. So be sure to listen at the players meeting



do you know what the am1 women at the DGLO have to play yet??

[bruce_brakel]

I just talked to Tod More the TD for No Foolin. Am1 Women will not be playing the Monster course from the long tees.

Two rounds of 24 holes
Pro's Monster Long Champ basket, Original Long
Am1 Men - Monster Long regular basket, Original Long
Am1 Women - Original Long, Monster Short (may play to Champ basket)
Am2 Women, Am2, Am3, Am Masters and Juniors - Original Short, Monster Short

The TD may make some changes based on the weather and number of players. So be sure to listen at the players meeting

If there are two pools, the Adv Women probably won't get ratings for both rounds with that plan.

[DSproAVIAR]

21 Advanced Pre-registered. Only 6 days now.. I predict that this tourney will fill, as attendance has been high in the past, and in the past this tourny was competing with the Biggest Tournament in the UNIVERSE. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5466) Now that there is no conflict many more golfers can attend.

I would like to congratulate Jon Dobberstein on another Michigan win (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5776) at TADGA this weekend.

[bruce_brakel]

Two years ago they were not competing with Bowling Green and they ran a funky R-tier, and they sold 238 spots, but some players played both days.

Filling to fivesomes on both courses is a real possibility. It's going to be a zoo!

[wbrady]

Filling to fivesomes on both courses is a real possibility. It's going to be a zoo!



No fivesomes, if possible. The tournament is full at 192 players (4 x 48).

[bruce_brakel]

Then it will fill and will only be controlled chaos. :D

[thetruthxl]

reminder to self: "bring your stool....bring your stool....bring some nutries, and a hackysac, and a good book...and a stool..." /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[z Vaughn z]

...but leave the Ram at home.

[DSproAVIAR]

a hackysac


I hope I'm not in your group. I would have to serve to you at a height greater than the height of me.

Oh and--Nice shooting at Lumberjack Zack. Thats a big field to whoop. And what a hot round! But don't get too many ideas, us locals (http://www.local101dg.com/) ain't going to give it up easy for the next Btier.

[thetruthxl]

a hackysac


I hope I'm not in your group. I would have to serve to you at a height greater than the height of me.




I'm a great hackey sacker, I not only cover the middle, but usually your end of the circle too! :D And That aint no "The lie", man. :eek:

And Vaughn,


and leave the Ram at home...


it's like American Express, I never leave home without it!!
;)
Just for you, buddy, I dyed an nice pink Ram that I think I might break in for the weekend...you want to see alittle virgin goat, don'tcha?? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[ChrisWoj]

I'll be pre-regging tonight! Riding up with Kruse and a couple of Am3s.

[DiscsDiva]

Any AM2 Women planning on playing?

I would like to congratulate Jon Dobberstein on another Michigan win (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5776) at TADGA this weekend.

[/QUOTE]

Heck yeah! I was in his flight the second round, and he played very well, except for the air-ball putt on 5 from the longs (even he laughed about that!) Seriously though, he was throwing his Eagle like a champ! Congrats Jon!

[wbrady]

We currently have 66 players for No Foolin. I uploaded the player list to the PDGA web site. There maybe a few more in the PO Box. We have not checked the box this week.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5799

[z Vaughn z]

I'd like to see that list doubled please.

[BobbysGurl69]

i disagree only bc i don't want more am 21 women to play bc there are 3 already and then me so thats 4 and most of them are really good as it is already i 'd like a fair chance at winning here.

[thetruthxl]

I'd like to see that list doubled please.



What you need to do is tell three of your friends, who'll tell three of their friends....wait...do you have three friends? Jeff and I are already playing! :p :D

[DSproAVIAR]

Kim Scott is going to win by 15 strokes. She smokes courses.

[BobbysGurl69]

Kim Scott is going to win by 15 strokes. She smokes courses.


You have no faith Daemon. Thats so sad.

[cbdiscpimp]

Kim Scott is going to win by 15 strokes. She smokes courses.


You have no faith Daemon. Thats so sad.



ROFLMFAO!!! Kim Scott is a guy and he is playing in the MENS Open division so I wouldnt worry about him :D

[kwilliamson]

There is also a female Kim Scott.
And Sorry Angel but I'll have to side with Daemon.

[DSproAVIAR]

YO illz, not KSW, but Trevor Thorp's girl, Kimberly Scott. But he would probably win WA1 as well.

[cbdiscpimp]

I stand corrected but I wouldnt be surprised to see Kim Scott-Wood playing Open this weekend. Did I mention I beat him by 8 strokes last year at DGLO???

[z Vaughn z]

I stand corrected but I wouldnt be surprised to see Kim Scott-Wood playing Open this weekend. Did I mention I beat him by 8 strokes last year at DGLO???


There he goes, living in the past again....

[thetruthxl]

I stand corrected but I wouldnt be surprised to see Kim Scott-Wood playing Open this weekend. Did I mention I beat him by 8 strokes last year at DGLO???


There he goes, living in the past again....



Zing! Just remember folks, the Dinner and Midnight Shows are different than the Lunch Show! :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[ChrisWoj]

I can't wait for this tournament :) If I keep putting like I have been all week this is going to be a FUN one! I hope Am2 is as competitive as it was for the Meltdown, Leopold and Snow were great to play with in that tournament watching them duel for the win over the final holes!


-Chris.

[wbrady]

If you have not signed up for No Foolin, what are you waiting for! It's this Sunday. We already have 128 players and the weather is looking good. Save yourself some money by registering online. There is a $10 fee to register the day of the tournament.

Sunday's Weather
Mostly cloudy during the morning...then partly sunny. A slight chance of light snow showers during the morning. Highs 40 to 44. Northwest winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.

Register Here
http://www.a3disc.org/2006/nofoolin/index-reg.htm

Player List
http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5799

[bruce_brakel]

Kira and I might play. Diana and Kelsey are both out of town this weekend. We will wait until Saturday afternoon to register. If it fills, those people wanted to play more than we did so that's o.k.

I have to figure out how to use Diana's Pay Pal account. Does that deduct from a credit card or does there have to be money in there, like a debit system. Anybody know? I'm really not good with late 20th and early 21st century technology.

So the 192 cap is solid? And maybe there is a fivesome or two if there is no way to split the divisions 96-96 between the two courses?

[DSproAVIAR]

Looks to be a sweeet tournout. Alot of these people went to Bowling Green last year, so good work A3 on scheduling better! 42 MA1, including THE LEGEND. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/playerstats.php?PDGANum=26608&year=2006) I would like to shake this man's hand. If anyone has a straight flush, speak up. If not, Kociuba wins with 4 aces!!! In 1 tournament!!! true skills.

[wbrady]

I have to figure out how to use Diana's Pay Pal account. Does that deduct from a credit card or does there have to be money in there, like a debit system. Anybody know? I'm really not good with late 20th and early 21st century technology.

So the 192 cap is solid? And maybe there is a fivesome or two if there is no way to split the divisions 96-96 between the two courses?



You do not need money in your PayPal account. It will automatically get money from the credit card or checking account that you gave PayPal.

We are at 132 players and I do not think we will get to 192. I've never set the groups on a full tournament, so we may end up with a few 5 somes to keep people in the same divisions on the same course.

[thetruthxl]

Who's going to be lucky # 50 to pre-reg in AM1????

[DSproAVIAR]

It happened! :D
If you would like an answer, go through all the auto pre-reg's at a3disc (http://www.a3disc.org) and see which AM1 signed up closest to but not over (price is right!) 3/24/06-23:28

[thetruthxl]

50 AM1's!!!!!! come on people, call your buddies...get them out there for some serious golfing!!!

Daemon, It snowed last night in kzoo, did ann arbor see anything?

[thetruthxl]

sorry for the double....

Can anyone tell me the course condition? Is it a mudfest???
I got's me some towels!!!

[ChrisWoj]

You should start giving away RAMS with the purchase of a new volkswagon jetta... maybe I'd buy a Jetta then :) lol

[thetruthxl]

You should start giving away RAMS with the purchase of a new volkswagon jetta... maybe I'd buy a Jetta then :) lol



Are you kidding?!?! Rams are way too rare! If Dave runs some more, or maybe some star rams for the 2008 worlds in Kalamazoo/battle creek, then you've got a deal.

I've only got a few new ones left, so I'll tell you what...

One free RAM with the purchase of an Audi S4 Cabriolet....

You know you want one: Ram or S4 Cab...they're both highly desired! ;)

[ChrisWoj]

I can hardly afford the Ram much less the Audi! ;) How about I just see ya tomorrow at No Foolin and casually haggle you down to about 3 grand on that Audi... I'm smooth like that.

... I wish.

[bruce_brakel]

I had to change the credit card it billed to but I finally guessed Diana's password. Kira and I are in.

[bruce_brakel]

There are 12 spots left. If you were thinking about signing up tomorrow morning, don't drive a long way for that.

[dischick]

if it fills tonight can i please be first on the waitlist????????

Tod if youre out there!!!!!!!!

i will be the first one there in the morning.... ready to help set up... reg, merch whatever you guys need!

6:45am

[dischick]

PLEASE LET ME IN!!!

[bruce_brakel]

Pre-reg is closed. If they were clever, in the morning they would wait for a bit for a lot of unregistered players to show up and then auction those last 12 spots!

[DSproAVIAR]

unofficial summary (I don't remember everything)
Open-
1-Geoff Benett (NICE! shooting 68 Blacks, 63 Blues)
T2-B Shick, A Schack

Masters
1-Kirk "Luna" Haggadone
2-Jim "JD" Daniels

Women
1-Sue Stephens

AM1
1- Daemon Stahlin
2(Playoff)- Bob Smart
3-Justin Leopold
T5?- Pad Timmons, Steve Mills

Am1 Women-
1-Linda from Kzoo
3- Kim Scott

[bruce_brakel]

Intermediate Women: Kiralyn Brakel
Am Masters: Mr. Aikens beat me in sudden death.
Grand Masters: Mark Ellis

Kiralyn and I both had a lot of fun today.

[z Vaughn z]

Nice shooting Daemon. Glad to see you win....

Thanks for a fun tournament, and thanks to all that helped. The park looked nice.

I must ask, what was up with the payouts? Seemed a little watered down. A ploy to get the super ams playing pro?

[bruce_brakel]

I saw the payouts. They looked like standard B-tier PDGA payouts. The entry fees were lower than in the past, which I appreciate and prefer, so the $10 player pack and $3 PDGA player fee took a proportionately bigger bite than if we had paid $40 or $45 to play advanced.

PDGA payouts just are not great payouts. They are designed to ensure that an event is profitable. Some TDs choose to give quite a bit more back to the players than the PDGA minimum.

My daughter had the same reaction. We did the math in the car on the way home. Those were 110% PDGA B-tier payouts according to the PDGA way of doing math.

[bruce_brakel]

A couple of other things, the PDGA payout tables go deeper this year, 50% instead of 40% in advanced, I think, and they no longer put a nice "bonus" on the top few spots. The new tables take away that bonus and give it to the addtional bottom cashing spots. Whenever you increase the number paid, obviously, the amount paid to each is decreased.

[j_d]

unofficial summary (I don't remember everything)
Open-
1-Geoff Benett (NICE! shooting 68 Blacks, 63 Blues)
T2-B Shick, A Schack

Masters
1-Kirk "Luna" Haggadone
2-Jim "JD" Daniels

Women
1-Sue Stephens

AM1
1- Daemon Stahlin
2(Playoff)- Bob Smart
3-Justin Leopold
T5?- Pad Timmons, Steve Mills

Am1 Women-
1-Linda from Kzoo
3- Kim Scott



First of all, a BIG round of applause for all the folks who worked to make this tournament happen.

Congrats, Daemon, on your Am1 victory!

One correction: I did come in 2nd but it was in the PGM division, Mark Ellis was 1st, shooting a stellar -1 on Monster Black -- not sure who came in 2nd in Masters but I heard Luna shot a sizzling -11 on Blue.

[scottcwhite]

Nice Shootin Daemon! -2 on Blacks is not too shabby. Now let's see some 'local' boys tear it up at Bowling Green!

Verdad, nice playing a round with ya. I may need a new car soon since I lost my star roc in the pond.

[ck34]

The PDGA payout table only goes deeper for pros this year if TDs have added cash and choose to. The Am payout table didn't change in 2006 from 2005.

[z Vaughn z]

unofficial summary (I don't remember everything)
Open-
1-Geoff Benett (NICE! shooting 68 Blacks, 63 Blues)
T2-B Shick, A Schack

Masters
1-Kirk "Luna" Haggadone
2-Jim "JD" Daniels

Women
1-Sue Stephens

AM1
1- Daemon Stahlin
2(Playoff)- Bob Smart
3-Justin Leopold
T5?- Pad Timmons, Steve Mills

Am1 Women-
1-Linda from Kzoo
3- Kim Scott



Jeff Kuehle finished 4th in Advanced. That is pronounced (Kee-lee)....not (Kool). Grand Rapids player, take note.

[DSproAVIAR]

Woops, sorry JD.
Congrats on another top finish (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=5778) by an Ann Arborite! P Dobs finishing well on the west coast!

The payouts were an embarrassment considering the size of the field, 193 players and the entry fee.

$350 for the winner of open men. Wheres the incentive to come out, bragging rights?

I especially feel for the Am's, their payout was so low we didn't even believe it.

The only real winners were the A3 club.
Good job guys, you made a lot of players not even want to play in your tournaments!

[BobbysGurl69]

Angel took like 4th as an AM1 women..oh yea..now i'm so sore but it was interesting.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL AT BOWLING GREEN

<3 Angel

[ChrisWoj]

Man... finishing just in the bottom half of the Am2 field. No Foolin', that part of it was no fun... but the rest of it was great. Outside of my four-hole-bogey-run to finish out the Original Course, I played well enough to cash... grr... haha...

I need to thank Billy Kunze, Rob Snow (again!), Kruse (as usual), Dan Depaulis, Paul Grasso, and Luke Holtzapple ALL for the enjoyment of playing rounds with them, the guys I played with and was able to joke around with, that kept me relaxed all day really made it a perfect day of disc golf!

And the solid TDs and pancakes and sausage links (I wonder if 8 pancakes and 25 sausage links affected my second round play at all...) didn't hurt things either!

Thanks for the great day of Disc A3! And congrats to the winners (even if they are baggers, **** Bennett... move him up! ... ... err...)


-Chris.

[z Vaughn z]

The payouts were an embarrassment considering the size of the field, 193 players and the entry fee.

$350 for the winner of open men. Wheres the incentive to come out, bragging rights?

I especially feel for the Am's, their payout was so low we didn't even believe it.

The only real winners were the A3 club.
Good job guys, you made a lot of players not even want to play in your tournaments!



Not only were the payouts weak...The merch was awefully pricey. So how much $$ did A3 rake in for this tourney? Where does that money go?

[DSproAVIAR]

Alot of the $$ that they did make off of the tourney will go to improving the course. Notice the new graffiti/vandalism-resistant tee signs on every hole of this great public park. 96 of them in all!! Notice the new benches installed as well, I think there are 5! I certainly enjoyed the backrest on hole 14 for about 15 mins while it was backed up. And alot of the $$ that the club makes throughout the year goes to fund DGLO, the club's signature event, to make sure that the payouts are enough to support touring players!! Its too bad that people are unsatisfied, but nobody is putting your $$ in their pocket. It all goes back to DG, in the end. Come to DGLO and get your entry fee's value right in your players pack! (They have done this in the past when I have played, but I am not affiliated with the A3 BOD and cannot promise anything)

---But if anyone attends our Local 101 event on April 9th at the great Hudson Mills (Made great by A3), those anyones will not be dissapointed with our payouts and prices of custom-stamped Innova hotness.---

[j_d]

I'd like to echo what Daemon is saying. The club is very diligent about keeping up the courses and putting on a great show at DGLO time. Rest assured that any money the club makes goes back into the sport -- courses that don't have good clubs behind them end up beaten in and trashed -- who wants to play at one of those?

[dischick]

for the record.... i was the very first person there... a little late from my scheduled arrival... about 6:48.
and yes, i got in.
played well... scored like *****... which is never a good combination.
thank you A3 for runnin the show.
congrats to all who won......
(from what i can remember)
Bennett- you are a bomber KEEP IT UP
Stahlin- the italian stalion who i love so much
Stevens- thank you for being so graciouse to let me live with you in the past
Luna- coach
Ellis- lizard lawyer

hmmmmmmm.... trend bein all locals
GOOD JOB A3!

oh, and i ran the ace pool... congrats to the one who took all 280+ i forgot to set up the tip jar :D

[bruce_brakel]

Scores and unofficial ratings are up. Kira and I mainly played this just to get some good rounds in and see how we're scoring after playing league and family golf all winter. Kira kicked it up a notch!

[DSproAVIAR]

Ah yes, you sparked my memory Jen! Sam Sherwood aced #7 Original, sweeet. 3rd hole of the 2nd round. And of course, the Locals (http://www.local101dg.com/images/smitty-nolook.jpg) had no trouble.

[paerley]

Scores and unofficial ratings are up. Kira and I mainly played this just to get some good rounds in and see how we're scoring after playing league and family golf all winter. Kira kicked it up a notch!


Gah, I'm afraid to see what my rounds got rated.....

[ChrisWoj]

891 and 923... there's the consistent play I know and love... bleh. Oh well, I know that other than the last four holes of the first round I played about 920 rated golf, lol.. now I just need to work on playing all 24 holes of a round!

And somehow I finished in the top half of Am2, I didn't think I'd pulled that off. Hell of a tourney from Pat Burke, usually I'm not too far off of his scores :)

Thats all good and all but tell that to the guy from Ohio who took 6th out of 28 and cashed for something like $60. Its ok to get screwed at this event because at this other event(s) in the future we will payout better. :confused: Please!

[DSproAVIAR]

There was a tie for spots 7-10 in the Open. I bet they got about $60 apiece. Do you mean Steve Heckathorne?

[z Vaughn z]

Sam Sherwood was the only one to hit aces at No Foolin' and Lumberjack........both! Took home around $$600 bucks from those two tourneys as an AM! Founder's Beer..drink it, and you make aces.

yea..Steve H.

Do you know if they added the $500 minimum. They posted the scores but not the payouts.

[DSproAVIAR]

I do not know. They usually don't post payouts. If the entry fee was similar to last year, then $60 for the T7th does seem like less. I like how tadga does results, with the public accounting.

[bruce_brakel]

yea..Steve H.

Do you know if they added the $500 minimum. They posted the scores but not the payouts.

The payouts must have been posted because I got a good long look at them without anyone threatening to disqualify me for looking. They were on the end of one of the picnic tables.

These are the 2006 B-tier standards:


· PRO: $250 sponsor cash added to Pros, $1,750 minimum Pro Purse, 110+ % payout in Open (MPO), Pro Women (FPO), 100+ % other divisions, estimated field size: 30+ pro players
· AM: 48 amateur player minimum, 100+ % payout in all divisions, $10 min. value player package provided to all amateur competitors as part of overall amateur payout



I did the math on the Intermediate Womens' payout. It was a PDGA B-tier payout.

[wbrady]

Do you know if they added the $500 minimum. They posted the scores but not the payouts.



Tod said he will be adding the payouts in a day or two.

You are mistaken about the $500 minimum added cash. The 2006 PDGA Tour Standards list "PRO: $250 sponsor cash added to Pros". I believe it's been $250 for several years for a B-tier

This year the Pro payout was lower because we lowered the entry fee $15 and changed to the PDGA payout table using 45%.

2005 No Foolin
Entry fee was $65
28 Open Players
Paid out 33%, so 11 players cashed
1st place cash was $575

2006 No Foolin
Entry was $50
29 Open Players
Paid out 45% using PDGA table, 13 players cashed
1st place cash was $349 (if I remember correctly)

There was $435 less money avaliable for the payout this year because we lowered the entry fee $15. We also lowered all the Am divisions $5. Pro Master and Pro Grandmaster went up $5.

We set No Foolin entry fees to the table in the tour standard. It said "TDs are required not to exceed the values listed in this table in determining their 2006 PDGA net entry fees.". It appears the PDGA discovered a problem with a max of $50 for the Open players and has raised the max to $75. They have also changed the "do not exceed" to "TDs are strongly urged not to exceed the values listed in this table". This new document is dated 3/21/06. We thought we were following the mandatory guide lines last month when we opened up registration.

[terrycalhoun]

All of the extra added cash was because so many of the Pros came to a3disc board meetings and then spent so much time helping the club raise sponsorship dollars.

[bruce_brakel]

I'm sorry that you got burned by all the ill conceived, new mandatory entry fees and payout formulas, but I'm glad it was a club that a PDGA Board member belongs to that did. Maybe someone else will notice and they'll let TDs run good events next year without having to violate the sanctioning agreement and tour standards.

It is hard to have fat payouts at the top, like most of our players want, when you have to pay $10 to last place in every amateur division [player packs] and go almost half way down in the pros, and are handcuffed in what you can charge for an entry fee. They removed the ridiculous entry fee restrictions, but not in time for the early season events.

From looking around at websites and posted flyers, it looks to me like most TDs are just ignoring those requirements. I have no doubt that some of the events people are comparing the No Foolin' to paid 33% of the field and put bonuses on the top spots. I'm seeing TDs advertise that on flyers for tournaments coming up.

Since a lot of Michigan players are reading this I would add that at Bowling Green they are probably going to follow the new standards too. Their entry fee is cheap for an A-tier and they are doing big player packs. The requirement that they go 50% deep and use the flat payout charts is going to mean the same thing there as here.

If you want to put the merch back in the merchastravaganza you need to vote for Board candidates who understand this stuff. The PDGA does not need to be shooting itself in the foot by selling skim milk to ice cream lovers.

[ChrisWoj]

I do not know. They usually don't post payouts. If the entry fee was similar to last year, then $60 for the T7th does seem like less. I like how tadga does results, with the public accounting.


TADGA appreciates everything A3 does in return, I know for a fact that Kruse loves coming up to play in A3 run events because of how smooth they tend to be!


-Chris.

[thetruthxl]

Thanks A3 for a fun tourney!

Eventually, my muscles will recover...my rating, however, is another story! :D

[ChrisWoj]

You do realize both your rounds were rated higher than your current rating, right Mark? :D If I'm shooting above my rating I rarely consider it hurting TOO BADLY ;)

[thetruthxl]

My back is feeling better, and my pride...thanks chris. I liked my rounds there...just not my putting :o

[ChrisWoj]

Sounds like my time in BG, Mark.. haha

[thetruthxl]

back problems, putting problems, and from what I've heard, hail, rain, and wind problems.

It wouldn't be BG if it weren't for 30mph winds and sideways rain....oh yea and a little sunburn to boot! :eek: