Use of PDGA rules

[whorley]

If you wade through the assanine garble of the "$5/$8 thread," Nick says that if the West Virginia Open doesn't sanction itself then it can't use the PDGA rules of disc golf. Does this mean that any non-sanctioned event is not allowed to use the PDGA rules of disc golf? What do events like the MSDGC or Southern Nationals use for rules? It seems counter-productive to the sport to not allow non-PDGA events to use their rules.

In my opinion, that is why there is a USGA in ball golf. A separate entity from the PGA (and other tours) to make and help enforce the rules of golf from the PGA all the way down to junior golf.

[WVOmorningwood]

Go get 'em Vince!

[cbdiscpimp]

How are they going to stop people from playing by PDGA rules??? They cant so who freakin cares what Nick or anyone has to say. Thats like telling people that play basketball in a gym they cant use the same rules as the NBA. They can say it till they are blue in the face but everyone will keep using them because there is nothing anyone can do about it.

I was under the impression that the PDGA was acting as THE governing body of the sport. As the governing body of the sport, the PDGA should be incouraging playing by the PDGA rules at every level of play. From casual play with friends on up to the PDGA majors.

[Moderator005]

C'mon Whorley, look who that is coming from. It's yet another figment of Nick's imagination. He'll create anything to try to prove a point.

[rhett]

I was under the impression that the PDGA was acting as THE governing body of the sport.


So tell me this: why on Earth would anyone take what Nick Kight says as "word from the PDGA"? Nick is not the PDGA. He's just another self-important message board blow-hard.


But at least I sometimes try to make sense. :)

[sandalman]

"another" ???

how about "quintessential" !

[johnbiscoe]

i have a somewhat different question - what was the state of the rules when headrick turned the pdga over to the players? did the rulebook already exist in something close to its current form or was much of it codified after the switch?

[whorley]

Good question. Hopefully you are worthy of a response; I, obviously, was not. :confused:

[ck34]

Dave Dunipace might be willing to answer how the transition to the PDGA rulebook happened. Actually, the World governing body is WFDF (World Flying Disc Federation). They maintain the rules for most of the disc disciplines. That's why our rule numbers start with 800 since we're in Section 8 in their rulebook. http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=rules/wfdf_disc_golf_rules.htm

However, WFDF doesn't write the rules but goes along with the PDGA which has had people in charge of rules or a Rules Committee since Ed turned over the keys to the org. As has been pointed out several times in the 2m rule thread, places like Sweden eliminated the 2m rule several years ago, so not every country has accepted the complete rules as published in WFDF.

[pterodactyl]

Usually when I play b-ball in the gym, it seems like it's OK to foul on every play! :D

[paul]

If you wade through the assanine garble of the "$5/$8 thread," Nick says that if the West Virginia Open doesn't sanction itself then it can't use the PDGA rules of disc golf.



No he didn't. Re-wade.

[WVOmorningwood]

Nick says that if the West Virginia Open doesn't sanction itself then it can't use the PDGA rules of disc golf.




COOL! Then we will adopt the rules of the NHL! Hip checking is now legal at the WVO!!!!! :) :) :)

[johnbiscoe]

so no penalties on turner or bradway for hipchecking those tents. :o:D:eek: :cool:

[Moderator005]

If you wade through the assanine garble of the "$5/$8 thread," Nick says that if the West Virginia Open doesn't sanction itself then it can't use the PDGA rules of disc golf.



No he didn't. Re-wade.



Yes he basically did. Right here:



If you truly believe that Mark, then don't have it sanctioned, pretty simple.

Don't use the insurance coverage either.
Don't use this message board to sell wooden minis either.
Don't use this message board to put out event information either.
Don't use this website to post results either.
Don't use the PDGA Rules of Play either.
Don't use the PDGA Event Standards either, none of them.
Don't use the PDGA Player Ratings to determine which divisions amateurs play in.
Don't use the don't allow PDGA Members to participate either.
Don't use the sponsorship dollars and merchandise that go along with an A tier either.

To do so would be shamefully hypocritical wouldn't it?(Period!)

[paul]

He basically didn't. "Don't" is not "basically" the same as "can't". If you can't see that don't continue. I love semantics.

[neonnoodle]

I was under the impression that the PDGA was acting as THE governing body of the sport.


So tell me this: why on Earth would anyone take what Nick Kight says as "word from the PDGA"? Nick is not the PDGA. He's just another self-important message board blow-hard.


But at least I sometimes try to make sense. :)



LOL! You so funny Rhett.

Pure Projection if ever I saw it.

I never said they couldn't use PDGA rules, I said that it would be fun to see them have to come up with all the PDGA provides on their own, including rules of play.

Vince obviously went to the Keith Johnson school of reading (in)comprehension obviously...

Said by a player (who apparently reads the PDGA message board) at a non PDGA sanctioned tournament our club held last week:

"So, according to Nick Kight we can't use the PDGA rules. What are we going to do, play that the baskets are OB?" :D

[neonnoodle]

I heard that Jon gives every person he meets $10.

I heard that Jon gives every person he meets $10.

I heard that Jon gives every person he meets $10.

In the era of Bush, just saying something 3 times makes it true.

Jon, you can mail my $10 to me.

[Parkntwoputt]

What do events like the MSDGC or Southern Nationals use for rules?




Southern Nationals uses the PDGA rule book for rules of play. But as for administration of tournaments, direction of funds, and all other general disc golf topics, the SN just makes up in the name of "fun".

I.E. It is Southern National Tradition to mix divisions the first round, even in a 2 round event.

There is also no payout structure, so even if there was all divisions present, the winner of Open, or Juniors can walk away with all the money. There is also a catch to SN rules. If you do not accept cash in 6 months, you do not have to play Pro even if you accepted SN cash before. So even though Barry Schultz won the SN championships in September, come April, Barry can play in the Intermediate division at a SN tournament.

It seems silly to me. Nick also seemed to sound sarcastic in his post about PDGA sanctioning.

[neonnoodle]

What do events like the MSDGC or Southern Nationals use for rules?




Southern Nationals uses the PDGA rule book for rules of play. I.E. It is Southern National Tradition to mix divisions the first round, even in a 2 round event.



So in other words you do not use the PDGA rule book.

[Parkntwoputt]

What do events like the MSDGC or Southern Nationals use for rules?




Southern Nationals uses the PDGA rule book for rules of play. I.E. It is Southern National Tradition to mix divisions the first round, even in a 2 round event.



So in other words you do not use the PDGA rule book.



In other words I do not play SN events. The only time you will see me at an SN event is when it is both PDGA and SN sanctioned. PDGA rules trump SN rules.

There are many many reasons why I no longer play SN events. And there are a good number of people down here that I know that are no longer playing in SN events nor are they SN sanctioning their tournaments.

But in essense you are right. By picking and choosing what PDGA rules to play, they are not technically using the PDGA rule book.

I heard that Jon gives every person he meets $10.

I heard that Jon gives every person he meets $10.

I heard that Jon gives every person he meets $10.

In the era of Bush, just saying something 3 times makes it true.

Jon, you can mail my $10 to me.



I don't think we've ever met, have we? :D

If you thought I was trying to spread the myth that you said unsanctioned tournaments can't use the PDGA rule book, that was not my point. The guy I was quoting had read the myth and then said something funny about it. That was my only point...to share the humor in an increasingly non-humorous thread.

[slo]

Want fun? Please all, comment upon the following statement: The only way to use the PDGA rules is to follow the PDGA rules, to-the-letter, without exception. :cool:

...that would include the caveat concerning exceptions. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[ck34]

WFDF is technically in charge of disc golf rules which are available to everyone who wants to use them but the PDGA provides the content. However, even the PDGA rules deviate from the WFDF rules in the definitions of older classifications. WFDF still starts the older divisions with Master at age 35, GM 45, etc. As I mentioned before, section 804 has more to do with running organized competitions than the core rules for the sport. Other organizations might handle the 804 section differently and not violate the core rules of disc golf.

[slo]

So, at "Overalls", which includes DG, are there 35-year-old Masters competing in DG? :confused:

[ck34]

Yes, at the annual Master Overalls, the divisions start with age 35. They never changed when the PDGA upped the age by 5 years.

[slo]

40 is still too young. :)

[whorley]

Vince obviously went to the Keith Johnson school of reading (in)comprehension obviously...


It took you a whole week to come up with that pathetic insult? Oh well, I guess you have to work hard to be the most hated man in disc golf!

[Moderator005]

Vince obviously went to the Keith Johnson school of reading (in)comprehension obviously...


It took you a whole week to come up with that pathetic insult? Oh well, I guess you have to work hard to be the most hated man in disc golf!



He doesn't even have to work hard at it, it comes all too naturally for him. :D

[neonnoodle]

Do you hate me Whorely? Why so?

This ought to be good considering he knows me about as well as La Assa does...



Vince obviously went to the Keith Johnson school of reading (in)comprehension obviously...


It took you a whole week to come up with that pathetic insult? Oh well, I guess you have to work hard to be the most hated man in disc golf!

[whorley]

I don't hate you, I don't hate anyone. I pity you. You try so hard to appear smart, yet childishly call people names.

You take every chance to push your opinions down other people's throat, yet give little/no regard for anyone else's opinion. I notice that most people resent your close-mindedness.

It's just my opinion that you are the most hated man in disc golf. It's not your fault that C Todd retired and left you his title.

[Chris Hysell]

Boys, boys, that's enough. Vince, Nick is a good guy in public. His online persona is questionable. Why can't we all just get along?

[sandalman]

chris, they mispelled your license plate.

[neonnoodle]

I don't hate you, I don't hate anyone. I pity you. You try so hard to appear smart, yet childishly call people names.



Appear smart!?! LOL! LOL! I don't know what to say to that. LOL! Thanks for the laugh though...

I've made it a rule only to do the name thing with folks I know and who have shown that they can handle it. When the heat in the kitchen gets too hot I let them know and they let me know. It is nice of you to care about their feelings, at least.


You take every chance to push your opinions down other people's throat, yet give little/no regard for anyone else's opinion. I notice that most people resent your close-mindedness.



1) I am confident, I believe in what I say and in the positions I hold. I openly invite folks to challenge them, when their positions are convincing I will without hesitation change mine.
2) That I challenge others positions should not be taken as a sign of disrespect, rather the opposite, it is a sign that I am giving serious consideration to them and inviting them to further clarify their positions. I am more disappointed when they stoop to name calling and try to make it about me, when I really want to hear how they are so sure about their positions. It seems to never fail with certain folks. They more or less "give up" on the discussion because it is not going the way they like it. I suspect that this is a challenge larger than just disc golf discussion boards, but that our educational system, culture and the current Fundamentalist trends doesn't promote open discussion or traditional debate; Everything has to be one side or the other, no compromise.


It's just my opinion that you are the most hated man in disc golf. It's not your fault that C Todd retired and left you his title.



Very funny, I'm guessing from that that you didn't know Cam either, who was a good guy off the course, any more than you know me.

You should be more careful about attacking folks you don't know from Adam. I invite all who feel such feelings to IM me or shoot me an email and get the real deal. This discussion board can never do that, don't expect it to, enjoy it for what it is. It can be a lot of fun if you let it.

Chris, why have you been so quiet lately, don't tell me you're taking this too seriously...

[Moderator005]

Boys, boys, that's enough. Vince, Nick is a good guy in public. His online persona is questionable.



Hardly! Nick is just as bad in public and there's many testimonials to that. There have been people who have withdrawn from tournaments halfway through because of his behavior. He has trouble believing the truth about how people feel about him because nobody wants to deal with having to tell him off to his face. But the good news is that slowly, but surely, more and more people are speaking up to get this guy to realize just how his behavior negatively affects others.

[quickdisc]

Boys, boys, that's enough. Vince, Nick is a good guy in public. His online persona is questionable.



Hardly! Nick is just as bad in public and there's many testimonials to that. There have been people who have withdrawn from tournaments halfway through because of his behavior. He has trouble believing the truth about how people feel about him because nobody wants to deal with having to tell him off to his face. But the good news is that slowly, but surely, more and more people are speaking up to get this guy to realize just how his behavior negatively affects others.



Really ? :eek:

[bcary93]

This is nearly the funniest thing I've read in this whole little love-fest.


There have been people who have withdrawn from tournaments halfway through because of his behavior.



If someone is such an arse in tourney then stroke him, if you know what I mean. You quit a tournament because of this guy ? Justice would have you kicking his arse but then he cashed cuz you bailed.

Did he flatulate ? Wear a T-Shirt with a naughty word printed on it? C'mon, details! Name names and give us the juicy bits - nobody's really interested in just the facts, ma'am :)

PS yeah I know it probably wasn't you but the, it-happened-to-a-friend-of-mine, line is so lame.

[neonnoodle]

Jeff doesn't play tournaments. He only harrasses those who do.

It is wonderful how it works out that the few total d!cks in disc golf sooner or later eliminate themselves from disc golf. Natural evolution you might say.

[WVOmorningwood]

Nick is just a pain in the Toucas on this board. I played one of the most fun rounds I have ever experienced with Nick at Brandy-wind.
There are many more undesirerables out there on the Pro circuit that don't post in this forum or even have a computer for that matter...all you get here is the High tech
golfers...in fact, in thinking through MY list of people I would not like to play with...none of them post here.

I'm sure some of you have me on your list...as sometimes my professionalism get over-shadowed by my lust to have fun!

POW!

[neonnoodle]

as sometimes my professionalism get over-shadowed by my lust to have fun!



I believe the correct term is "eclipsed" Mark.

Hope to make my return to WVO as the MADC schedule has been greatly spread out this year. No more 4 Super Tours in a row!

Let it be known that I was officially the last person standing Sunday night at the 04 WVO. Though I don't have any witnesses....

[johnbiscoe]

I'm sure some of you have me on your list...as sometimes my professionalism get over-shadowed by my lust to have fun!

POW!



it's not the lust to have fun that worries me mark, it's that OTHER lust. :p

[Moderator005]

Jeff doesn't play tournaments. He only harrasses those who do.

It is wonderful how it works out that the few total d!cks in disc golf sooner or later eliminate themselves from disc golf. Natural evolution you might say.



Doesn't play in tournaments, huh - does that not include the doubles tournament at FDR State Park this past Saturday? As proof, should I provide the names of the 40 or 50 people also there, you douchebag?

And I'll be around disc golf forever, Nick. And as long as you insist on holding leadership positions and making the sport of disc golf uncomfortable for everyone around you, I'll be right there to make it just as uncomfortable for you.

[bcary93]

And as long as you insist on holding leadership positions and making the sport of disc golf uncomfortable for everyone around you, I'll be right there to make it just as uncomfortable for you.



That's why you're such a queen, oops sorry, I mean prince.

[neonnoodle]

And as long as you insist on holding leadership positions and making the sport of disc golf uncomfortable for everyone around you, I'll be right there to make it just as uncomfortable for you.



That's why you're such a queen, oops sorry, I mean prince.



Oooh! A threat! LOL!

When you start actually doing more than tag along behind me on a message board or harassing me at PDGA National Tour events when I am playing and you are (barely) volunteering, then I'll start worrying. Until then I suppose I should be complemented that I am able to provide meaning for your life.

[quickdisc]

Hey Nick ,

Fill me in. I'm a bit new to this Volunteering stuff and as I hear it , you actually do quite a bit at events. I'd like to learn all I can !!!!

Not sure where all this banter comes from ?

You can send me a PM ,if not to explain on this message board. Any help is appreciated !!!!

Thanks,

Donny Olow

[quickdisc]

Cool !!!!! Thanks Nick for the PM. Sorry I could not thank you back on the PM ,as you have me on ignore for some reason :confused:

I usually try and give 150% of my time ,when I do volunteer and still get sHiit on for doing so. I guess there is no way to get around that as some just always want to take,take,take and hardly ever give. Just though you might have a secret or a way of dealing with these non Appreciative folks !!!!!

Thanks though !!!!! :D

[Moderator005]

or harassing me at PDGA National Tour events when I am playing and you are (barely) volunteering,



I guess the PDGA Disciplinary Committee did not agree with your "harassment" claim.

FYI, the tournament directors for next year's NT event asked me over this past weekend to again handle scoring duties and I agreed. Feel free to make your plans accordingly.