Cheetahs in good plastic?

I also have been digging around for a replacement for my 11x KC Pro Cheetah that got eaten by my neighbor's German Shepherd....miss the hell outta that disc. I hear they stopped making em in the good plastic....true? false? And if true, anybody got some advice as to where to find one?

I was dissapointed to see that these were discontinued also. I've had mine for two years and I love the way they fly. I use mine for anything from 325-375' with deadly accurate results. It is my go to disc and I believe it is way underated.

Anyways, I had to pick up a few before they start going for $50 on ebay. And this is where I got em.

KC Pro Cheetah (http://disczilla.netfirms.com/Pro_line.htm)

I don't think you'll be able to find them any cheeper than this. Plus, customer service was great and they shipped it to me very quickly. Total - $12. Can't complain because this "Pro Line" is more like champion plastic in my opinion.

[paerley]

I know of at least 3 stores here in west michigan that have pro line cheetahs on their shelves. Everyone around here is either too cheap to buy good plastic, or will only throw CE style plastics.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. The search has been harrowing....

I had no idea that they stopped making them. My 150-gram 11x Cheetah is one of my four primary drivers.

I'm new to the sport but my very first disc was a DX cheetah.
Unfortunately I've lost 2 of them since I started ( :) ) and now I have another 168g DX.
It & my beat up DX Gazelle(172) are now my favorite drivers.

My question: I keep seeing people throwin' 150g discs. Would it help my throw if I went that light? I thought going to 168 was "going light" but it seems to be not the case.
What benefits does a lighter disc offer?
Would it be a good idea just to get a 150 DX cheetah or go for a 150 pro line?
Thanks & long live the Cheetah :D

IMO, the advantage of using a light disc is that in a tailwind, the disc has a tendency to "ride" the wind much better on an s-curve. Other than that, the lighter you go, the less stable the disc is most likely going to be. Now granted, a 150g firebird is still probably going to be more overstable than a max weight sidewinder.

Anyway, back to answering your question. Keep in mind this is just my opinion, and many other people may disagree with me, but I believe that a 165g is the lightest that you should go. Otherwise you will be learning bad habits instead of building technique. You want to look at the big picture, instead of getting better quickly with learning bad habits, you want to get better gradually by developing technique. The best way to learn this technique in my opinion is to go to this website:
DiscGolfReview.com (http://www.discgolfreview.com/)
Go to instructional articles or technique repair. Most likely, Blake could answer any question in the world reguarding proper technique. If need be, you could ask him a question in the FORUM section.

Good luck and keep practicing!!! :D

I have a couple of Champ Cheetahs -- one red 11x that is about 172g and one white 10x that is also 172g The 10x is a lot more stable at the end and i hear that they were CE plastic. The red is almost brand new, and the white one is very durable -- and is in nice shape. I would trade the two for two Coyotes if anyone is interested.

i also have some heavy Champ Stingrays (which are also discontinued in Champ plastic) used in great shape that i'd trade for Coyotes.

[my_hero]

I'm new to the sport but my very first disc was a DX cheetah.
Unfortunately I've lost 2 of them since I started ( :) ) and now I have another 168g DX.
It & my beat up DX Gazelle(172) are now my favorite drivers.

My question: I keep seeing people throwin' 150g discs. Would it help my throw if I went that light? I thought going to 168 was "going light" but it seems to be not the case.
What benefits does a lighter disc offer?
Would it be a good idea just to get a 150 DX cheetah or go for a 150 pro line?
Thanks & long live the Cheetah :D



The problem that i've found with 150g discs is there isn't enough mass to generate the inertia needed to keep them going. Basically, the wind that is created by tossing it forward, also slows it down. Imagine what would happen into a moderate head wind plus the wind created by the throw. :confused:

[brookep]

Plus throwing 150 will increase your arm speed and cause problems with the timing of your release. So if you are going from light to heavy your timing will suffer.

From what I understand Innova found a stash in there warehouse of old kc pro cheetahs and gazelles. I picked a couple up last week at my local liquor store. I got a KC Pro Cheetah 168 gram in a nice pearl white (it's like a milky see through white, my favorite looking disc). It flies sweet, but I've been throwing the KC Pro Gazelle alot more frequently.

I think our club has a bunch of KC Gazelles they can't seem to get rid of. I will take a look if anyone is interested.

Oh yeah, there even could be some Cheetahs in there. PM me if you want me to scrounge through the stash.

[veganray]

I couldn't disagree more with CincyKeith. Throwing 150s develops GOOD habits. Heavier discs forgive off-axis torque upon release by virtue of their greater mass, while 150s will crash & burn with any significant amount of off-axis torque. Therefore, throwing light plastic will force you to develop a smooth release, which will directly translate into greater distance, accuracy, and control when you throw a heavier disc.

Just my $0.02.

[Lyle O Ross]

I'm new to the sport but my very first disc was a DX cheetah.
Unfortunately I've lost 2 of them since I started ( :) ) and now I have another 168g DX.
It & my beat up DX Gazelle(172) are now my favorite drivers.

My question: I keep seeing people throwin' 150g discs. Would it help my throw if I went that light? I thought going to 168 was "going light" but it seems to be not the case.
What benefits does a lighter disc offer?
Would it be a good idea just to get a 150 DX cheetah or go for a 150 pro line?
Thanks & long live the Cheetah :D



The problem that i've found with 150g discs is there isn't enough mass to generate the inertia needed to keep them going. Basically, the wind that is created by tossing it forward, also slows it down. Imagine what would happen into a moderate head wind plus the wind created by the throw. :confused:



I'm not sure I agree with the 150 gr ney-sayers. There is no question that 150 gr plastic will allow you to get away with bad mechanics and still get some distance, however, it won't prevent you from devleoping good technique and it will definitly carry further (with some risk depending on the disc you choose). One of my favorite into the wind discs is the 150 gr Z Flick. There is no way I could throw a full weight Flick, I'm just not fast enough (IMO, and contrary to popular belief, strength is secondary to speed, I lift 3 times a week and am in decent shape... Matt Hall weighs 130 lbs, is all skin and bones and throws very overstable discs a mile.).

Getting good distance and good accuracy consistantly, and in all conditions is about practice, in the end I don't think the weight of disc you use will matter except that the lighter discs limit your consistancy, unless of course, you choose well. I am very consistent with my 150 gr Z Flick. It comes out flat runs straight and fades hard at the end. The problem is that people are picking up 150 gr Valks or Flashes. These discs don't have the stability to run straight at lighter weights. Yes, they will go farther but you will see a lot more side to side movement. Disc golf is about throwing down the line, not side to side.

I couldn't disagree more with CincyKeith. Throwing 150s develops GOOD habits. Heavier discs forgive off-axis torque upon release by virtue of their greater mass, while 150s will crash & burn with any significant amount of off-axis torque. Therefore, throwing light plastic will force you to develop a smooth release, which will directly translate into greater distance, accuracy, and control when you throw a heavier disc.

Just my $0.02.



You are completely correct to assume that using lighter weights would correct off-axis torque but couldn't you also assume that using these weights would deprive him of learning a proper snap? Using something between 165-170 would most likely be the best weight to learn snap while also reducing (by not masking) off-axis torque. I'm not saying that he should be throwing 400' by the end of this season, but surely learning some of the fundamentals to descent distance would improve his game and technique. Of course accuracy is more important than distance (in most people's opinions), but hyzer flipping everything that is 150g isn't going to teach him proper form.

[shanest]

I have a couple of heavy Cheetahs in the 10X hybrid (blended w/ CE) plastic. If anyone's interested, PM me.

Thanks for all the replies.

I may try a 150 if I can find one really cheap or used or find a lost disc (I find lots of them, I must have disc-vision or something. )

I started heavy, a 175g Cheetah. After breaking that in (easy to do when you're starting and it's your only disc) I was able to get it too glide with a nice S-pattern. I was JUST starting to learn it and lost it. (looked forever....name was on it but no call)
My current 168 cheetah is fairly new & and I can't get it too highspeed turn right yet.... it doesnt get thrown as much as the first disc so I don't think it's broke in yet.

Anyways, since I've already been throwing heavy discs then I guess I'd be better off sticking with them for now.

Different weights work well for different folks. I've been playing for 10 years, but don't have a lot of arm speed, and I've found that I throw both farther and more accurately with 150-class drivers (CE Leopard, Champ Valk, Champ SW, and KC Cheetah). Mid-range discs and putters are a different story...I prefer 170ish Rocs and 170-175g Aviars.

With heavier drivers, even in flippy molds, I struggle to generate enough arm speed to make them fly the way they were designed. It is worth noting that my arm is below average; I top out at 300'-320' for my best drives.