2005 Veteran's Park Open

[my_hero]

What are the REAL dates?

The LSDGA schedule shows VPO am weekend in early october, and the VPO pro weekend in early november.

The PDGA tour schedule shows only one event in early november.

Will the VPO have 2 weekends, or are we consolidating to one?

[my_hero]

There may be a schedule conflict if we are combining Am and Pro together on 11/5 - 11/6.

14th annual VPO = 11/5 - 11/6
1st annual South Texas Am shootout = 11/5 - 11/6

[sandalman]

do you ever get the feeling you are talking to yourself? :D

[dannyreeves]

I think doing it as a Pro/Am is a good idea. The turnouts have been so low lately, we don't need 2 weekends.

[okcacehole]

South Texas..DFW...sometimes choices have to be made

A combined weekend would bring a better turnout IMO

[my_hero]

do you ever get the feeling you are talking to yourself? :D



Are those voices i hear? :D

Let me know guys ,This South Texas Am Shootout Is on the books as an Atier Next year .somebody needs to Talk to Gary Duke and let him know .As of a couple of months ago when I had a conversation with Terry Toolen nothing was said about combining thats why this date was picked .I would not have done this if VPO was a pro am. :cool:

[my_hero]

Sorry for the delay Billy. I don't know why nobody has answered yet. I've always lived by "ya' snooze ya' lose." In this case, the VPO could lose 90% of the ams in Austin/SanAntonio/Houston. I sure do hope someone answers these questions before its too late.

I thought the am date was in OCT .I could switch the dates to oct next year but this year I am running a C-tier in ingelside on the 9th of Oct.

[jasonc]

If I could get ahold of Toolen I could give you some definate answers. I know when I talked to him in the past about combining the weekends he didn't really like the idea, so I don't think we are going to combine them this year.

[danniestacey]

No combining please. When I was Am, I loved that we had the course to ourselves. And, I feel the same way as a Pro. If you combine the weekends there will be to many backups and it might force us to play another course. I love that course and don't want to play anything else. Please keep them on seperate weekends. ADGA is the bomb, keep up the good work guys.

[my_hero]

:D

And, I feel the same way as a Pro. If you combine the weekends there will be to many backups and it might force us to play another course.





Uh.....what other course? :D Not for the VPO....that's only happened once back in 1996. Prolly never happen again. :D

[danniestacey]

Hypethetically (spell check) speaking. I've seen a couple of tournaments where we played one course for a number of years and once the tournament got to big they added another course and now tournament sucks. I think this is because when temp courses get added the holes are usually about 225 ft each and they'll try and throw in a 500 footer. They just don't have the land to do it or it isn't layed out correctly. I know this wouldn't happen with the ADGA, but this has been my expierence.

Ok Everyone Here is your answer.

This year the VPO will be held on seperate weekends as usual. Billy is going to be running his AM Only event on the Pro dates which are Nov 5-6. The Am weekend will be played on Oct 8-9. I do not mind running both weekends, wish we could get our old AM date back. We will see.

If and when we run a combined VPO. We will use tee times and maybe more holes per round. Since that will not be until at least next year, I am not going to worry too much about it.

Please make your plans to play in the VPO as the ADGA will put on one of the best tournament experience you can get.

[my_hero]

Sweet. Good job on resolving these issues. Okay, that means no ace race in Cedar Hill on the 8th. We'll shoot for the week before.

[danniestacey]

Thanks Terry. You guys (and gals) do a great job. If we are doing more holes next year (>24) I'll need to know earlier because my beer belly is getting big. :D

Thanks Terry ,And The Adga.Also sorry for the conflict .Next Year we will all be on the same page.

[terrilldisc]

Hey wheres our ADGA cards its been almost a whole year since we have renuwed our membership at a mini at vetereans. Like whats up

[terrilldisc]

Hey Barb and I would like our membership cards with the adga. Like when do we get them

[dannyreeves]

never ;)

[deathbypar]

Ok Everyone Here is your answer.

This year the VPO will be held on seperate weekends as usual. Billy is going to be running his AM Only event on the Pro dates which are Nov 5-6. The Am weekend will be played on Oct 8-9. I do not mind running both weekends, wish we could get our old AM date back. We will see.

If and when we run a combined VPO. We will use tee times and maybe more holes per round. Since that will not be until at least next year, I am not going to worry too much about it.

Please make your plans to play in the VPO as the ADGA will put on one of the best tournament experience you can get.



The Am weekend is not listed ont PDGA Tour Page. However, the event listed on Nov. 5/6 says Pro/Am. Is this tourney going to be combined?

[jeterdawg]

No link on titleDISC or info on the PDGA boards...does the ADGA want a bigger turnout than last year? I had almost talked some people into coming to it this past weekend at the MJCO until they got home and saw that there was no info on it and decided to do something else.

I haven't played a mini in a while, so I'm not sure if it's going down on October 8-9 or not. Combining the weekend almost seems like a better idea because it would cut down on costs. Anyone have any flyer info or anything?

[cgflesner]

The last couple of tournaments held at Veterans had little to no promotion at all, so it does not surprise me that there has been no promotion of the VPO.

Heck the VPO and the Fling didn't get turned into the PDGA, and I wonder what that $2 went to or whom.

[my_hero]

beer! :D :p

[cgflesner]

lol. :eek:

[my_hero]

Is there going to be an AM VPO on October 8-9? :D

Ok Everyone Here is your answer.

This year the VPO will be held on seperate weekends as usual. Billy is going to be running his AM Only event on the Pro dates which are Nov 5-6. The Am weekend will be played on Oct 8-9. I do not mind running both weekends, wish we could get our old AM date back. We will see.

If and when we run a combined VPO. We will use tee times and maybe more holes per round. Since that will not be until at least next year, I am not going to worry too much about it.

Please make your plans to play in the VPO as the ADGA will put on one of the best tournament experience you can get.




Look a page back or so and your answer is there! I am sure the PDGA will update the page because I will need to post scores.......not sure why it was not there in the first place

[jeterdawg]

Terry,
Do you all have any info on entry fees, meeting time/place, etc.? TitleDisc? I think maybe that's what everyone was looking for since it's less than 3 weeks away.

I will have all of that posted tonight. I have been getting the flyer together and will post those around town very soon. I will not do Titledisc for Am weekend as it would take Ben a week or more to get it up and would have to close it just as fast. Look for entry forms at your local course very soon.

[my_hero]

Ok Everyone Here is your answer.

This year the VPO will be held on seperate weekends as usual. Billy is going to be running his AM Only event on the Pro dates which are Nov 5-6. The Am weekend will be played on Oct 8-9. I do not mind running both weekends, wish we could get our old AM date back. We will see.

If and when we run a combined VPO. We will use tee times and maybe more holes per round. Since that will not be until at least next year, I am not going to worry too much about it.

Please make your plans to play in the VPO as the ADGA will put on one of the best tournament experience you can get.




Look a page back or so and your answer is there! I am sure the PDGA will update the page because I will need to post scores.......not sure why it was not there in the first place




I knew that. I was just fueling the fire. :) Remember how much work it was to figure out the VPO's and South Tx events. :D

[vinnie]

Man...all these people giving T.D.'s CRAP about attention to details.
I think it is do time as T.D.'S we charge( and I mean big time charge) for players list, posting information, providing players with food, players packages, scheduling, reporting, course grooming, or hotel deals.
Or my favorite answers to dumb questions.
Look people if you want to see something done ….. instead of bring the problem to light come up with solution or God forbid pitch in.
If you don’t like how it is being handled ….STEP UP AND TAKE SOME CRAP.

Man...all these people giving T.D.'s CRAP about attention to details.
I think it is do time as T.D.'S we charge( and I mean big time charge) for players list, posting information, providing players with food, players packages, scheduling, reporting, course grooming, or hotel deals.
Or my favorite answers to dumb questions.
Look people if you want to see something done ….. instead of bring the problem to light come up with solution or God forbid pitch in.
If you don’t like how it is being handled ….STEP UP AND TAKE SOME CRAP.



With John I know he was giving me hell. Everyone else........I just do what I can and they are going to b!tch or not. I have done this for too long to let WHINERS bother me. I do get tired of the constant second guessing, but that comes with the job. Oh wait it is not a job or else I would get PAID!! We have a local guy and I am sure everyone knows him, will call me the friday of the tournament, saturday morning before we start at least a couple times. Then at lunch both days, always calling with STUPID QUESTIONS!! What time do we start, what pads, what positions. Mostly if people would listen at the players meeting or read their program, they would know. ok Rant off!!!!

[vinnie]

I hear you my brother.....I have been doing (giving) for a long time. I would like to see more rotation of T.D'S .
I think I will hand a offical test/T.D. guide to anyone that has some b!tch!ing. And tell them to step up

[my_hero]

What time does the 2nd round start? :D :p

John, You will start on the farthest hole out on the Rec card and we will only tell all the others when the 2 minutes are so you can get a bunch of strokes for practice throws!!!!

[my_hero]

Scores?

[dannyreeves]

Can I make a card request? :D

[my_hero]

Homeboy card!

Who won?

[jeterdawg]

I took the day off and played a round today at the Vet, and there was no flyer up about the VPO. Is it on for sure? I know I haven't been able to go to a mini in a while, but is that the only way to get info? Sure doesn't seem like many people are going to come other than those who have played it before...if even that.

If someone has a flyer and wants me to go up there and post them, please email me and I'll be glad to help.

I have been out of it all week. Just went back to work today. Yes, you are more than welcome to come help out. I need someone to post flyers all over town. You up to that?? PM me your number and I will give you a call.

I'm willing to help out any way that I can.

Just let me know...

[okcacehole]

Post a flyer on here ....

[discgolfdog]

Pat, are we playing old man division or showing the youngsters how it's done in advanced?

[willyc]

Both of you should just save your money for the Pro weekend. :cool:

[lauranovice]

naw, use Am weekend as a practice for Pro weekend. Do both :cool:

[sandalman]

i've been planning to play both since last year when i played both.

as far as where "we" are playing, "i" am planning on playing MM1, unless the turnout is really bad, then i guess i'll play MA1, unless the turnout is really bad, in which case i will hang with the wife and kid for hte weekend.

[my_hero]

unless the turnout is really bad, in which case i will hang with the wife and kid for hte weekend.




Weren't we talking about how important local support is in order for a good turnout? I guess compared to the wife a kid's importance it's relative. ;)

The VPO will have some Discraft stamped stuff for you to win this year though........... :D

[okcacehole]

format, times, cost, ect?????

[my_hero]

9/20/05


Terry,
Do you all have any info on entry fees, meeting time/place, etc.? TitleDisc? I think maybe that's what everyone was looking for since it's less than 3 weeks away.




I will have all of that posted tonight. I have been getting the flyer together and will post those around town very soon. I will not do Titledisc for Am weekend as it would take Ben a week or more to get it up and would have to close it just as fast. Look for entry forms at your local course very soon.






10/03/05

The entire Toolen household has been sick for a week, i'm sure he'll post it TODAY b/c it's only 5 days away!

I meant to email those to myself this morning so I could post them, but did not get to it. I will have it up this evening for sure.

Pro Weekend PDGA A Tier Event
Nov 5 & 6, 2005
96 Player Limit
Divisional limits are firm until October 29
First com First serve after October 29,2005
Field Limits and Entry Fee's:
Open Men (48 Players)...........$105
Open Women (12 Players).......$105
Open Master (28 Players).........$70
Open Grand Master (8 Players).$70
Ace Golf in the Oaks!
Ace Pot $5
Ace Golf $5

Amateur Weekend PDGA B Tier event
October 8 & 9, 2005
120 Player Limit.
All Advanced Am divisions...........$60
All Intermediate Divisions...................$45
All Recrational Divisions.....................$35
All Juniors..................................$20
Ace Golf in the Oaks CTP's Galore!!
All players on Pro Weekend must be a current PDGA Member
Am weekend NON PDGA pays $5 extra.
ADGA
P.O. Box 120921
Arlington, TX 76012
Ace Pot $5
Ace Golf $5

Here you guys go! Friday Doubles for all divisions both weekends! Doubles start at 3 pm and last card out at 5pm or so.

Saturday registration until 9 am both weekends with no late fee's. We should have someone to order lunch from. You must order before the start of the first and third rounds. Am players package will include a disc and T-shirt. Pro weekend players package is a T-shirt. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me or call 817-690-1077.

[okcacehole]

Any chance on a trophy only division?

Sorry Adam, but at this point we have no plans for a trophy only division.

[discgolfdog]

Adam, If you can't afford the tournament that's perfectly understandable. Come by and help staff for awhile on one of the days. There are other ways of supporting our local clubs without having to donate cash in any way. Terry could always use the help.

[my_hero]

I can't wait until ace golf on Sunday!

Ok Back to the Topic of greater importance......VPO!!

I still need some baskets for the weekend! Anyone have one they can bring out tomorrow??????

I have John's two. Who Else??

[discgolfdog]

So you need ours tomorrow? That's not a problem if you do.

Yes for sure, Clay! Anyone else have a basket we can use over the weekend???

[bslamoreaux]

Did all of the format planning get finalized last night?

Brian

[lauranovice]

Don's basket with double chains and I will be at the park by 7 AM Saturday morning to help with sign-ups.

Your scores AND ratings are posted. Took a little time to get everything right, but I think it is correct.

Big Thanks to Jason and Ginetta for help all weekend, both on and off the course. These two do so much for our club, it would be very difficult to pull off an event with them. Thanks You Two!!!

I also want to thank the rest of the staff and players that helped out: Andrew Toolen, Brain Lamoreaux, Charles Cox, Dan McGough, Clayton Bethmann, Chris Pepperling, Gene Norbriga, Skip Maxwell, John Mauiro, Claydog Brumit, Brad Bishop, Dennie Ortega, Don and Laura Quattlebaum. I hope I did not leave anyone off of the list. If so, I personally thank you for your help.

We had a light turnout, but with all the other events taking place at the same time, I can see why.

We still had a very fun time. I always like watching everyone drive off of the mountain on hole 8. The weather was very nice, except for the small amount of rain we received saturday morning. Ace golf was a great time as always.

I look forward to a Great Pro weekend on Nov 5 and 6. Register early and make it easy on us come saturday morning.

[vinnie]

here it is folks another A teir event in Texas (not enough)
So bring it Texas!!!!
Lets make VPO all it can be.

[my_hero]

:D

[discgolfdog]

Toolen is working hard supporting his family right now. He'll be online Saturday to address everything.

[seewhere]

its sunday? what's up?

[sandalman]

see thread in event section

[my_hero]

What round do we get to play the Wed night pads?

[jasonc]

4th round, I'll meet you there with the <font color="red"> JUG </font> :D;) (this last face is the Mrs. when John gets home from a night with the jug):mad:

[my_hero]

Amy as john leaves to play DG :(

John before Ace Golf /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

John during ace golf before Jugs :cool:

John during ace golf after Jugs

John after ace golf :confused:

Amy when John gets home from DG :mad:

John before bed after a long Juggtastic day http://forums.trek-network.com/style_emoticons/default/puking.gif

Amy before bed http://www.smileyarena.com/emoticons/Packs/Yelling/club_hit.gif



I love ace golf and jugs.

[my_hero]

3 days until the 15th annual. Yippee!

Jason, got that Jug O' Righteousness ready? :)

[discgolfdog]

Jason, I'll make you a deal. The oompa-loompa will make an appearance if you leave that jug at home. I hate dealing with drunks. :D

[my_hero]

Oh......i'm getting really smashed now.

I might even top Kelly Hick's 3 headers in one loop. Ironically enough, it was the last loop. I think the Jug's sacred, yet potent contents caught up to Kelly all at the same time.

Claydog,
Better leave that at home or you will have the longest walk EVERY round! I will just shuffle up where the leaders start!!!!!!!! :cool::eek: :D

[jasonc]

I wasn't too fond of the cherries anyway ;).

[discgolfdog]

Nice of you to have confidence in me to play on the lead card all weekend. I'm guessing that's what you meant.
Jason, Cherries? What kind of an obscure reference is that?

[my_hero]

Turn your sound on, here's some music while you read (Thanks Dirty_D):
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All we were looking to do was to give some of the AMS that couldn't make the original one a chance to play this great event. Offering AM divisions would have given us more resources to give away to everyone. We've all lost something now.

I agree that it'll be a great event regardless, with current World Champs, and Past World Champs. It's just sad that we were asked not offer AM divisions....even if it could have been at a lower tier level for AMS.

No big deal.

Looking forward to my favorite weekend at The Vet nonetheless.

[my_hero]

Oh......


Would anyone object to me bringing 50+ friends to the VPO?

Johns Jumping Jammers (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/11/01/gallery.cheerleaders/content.1.html)

Johns Jumping Jammers 2 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/11/01/gallery.Collegecheer/content.1.html)

I like the front row daddy (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/2005/10/25/gallery.nflcheerleaders/content.5.html)

Just wasted an hour on John's Jammers, hehe.

[jasonc]

Nice of you to have confidence in me to play on the lead card all weekend. I'm guessing that's what you meant.
Jason, Cherries? What kind of an obscure reference is that?




Just thinking of the days gone by, of course you have allot more of those than I do :o.


The new and improved jug we came up with has a cherry print all over it, if you would have worn your glasses you would have seen that :D.


And John, I know it's a ripoff of the man show but I like <font color="red"> John's Juggies </font> and <font color="blue"> My-Hero's Mammas </font> better :D.

[dannyreeves]

...or My-HeroonBlondes.com

if you don't get it, don't ask. :D

[my_hero]

LMFAO!!!!

What time do we need to be at the park on Saturday morn?

[seewhere]

at least 2 mins before your t-time :D

[my_hero]

:D

I'm already tired. Just thinking about 48 holes on Saturday makes my body ache. I'm sleeping in. Y'all have fun!

[dannyreeves]

Lets go to NASCAR with Ware.

[my_hero]

He better be at the VPO.........

If he goes and watches a bunch of rednecks do a left hand circle i'm gonna personally let you kick his as[/b]s!

[dannyreeves]

...i'm gonna personally let you kick his as[/b]s!



You are one brave dude. ;)

Is anything doing today? Doubles? Horseshoes? Jacks? Parchesi?

[my_hero]

What time is the players meeting? I need to make sure all of my jumping jammers are out of bed. Let me tell you that's one crowded bed! :D

2005 Veterans Park Open

Schedule of Events

Saturday November 5, 2005

7:00 am - 8:00 am LATE Sign ups

8:30 am Players Meeting

9:00 am Start First Round

2nd Round TBD



Sunday November 6, 2005

9:00 3rd Round Start

Ace Golf TBD

Awards Ceremony to follow immediately after Ace Golf.

Open
John Mauiro
Claydog Brumit
Mike Grider
Jeremy Ellis
Dagon Owen
Mike Sayre

Women
Courtney Peavy

Master
Thomas Lowry
Mark Thomas
Pat Brenner
Ron Silliman
Mitch McClellan
John Luecke
Randy Greywoolf

Grand Master
Brent Edwards
Cody Rodgers


There are many more that are going to sign up today and in the morning. I will be starting doubles at 2pm. Last card can tee off at 4 pm. All Divisions will be offered for doubles today......so bring your partner for some fun golf.

Here (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=4721#Open)

Here you go!!!!

[oklaoutlaw]

Terry and Staff,

Great event!! Great time..and thanks to all. You guys did a fantastic job with spotters on champ. 8!! from a players perspective, everything ran very smooth.

Thanks for hosting such a great tourney.

I'm already looking forward to next year.

[my_hero]

Uh.............

Was this the 14th or 15th annual VPO?

The artwork and discs say 15th, but on the PDGA tour link and schedule it says 14th. :confused: :D

This was the 15th Annual.

[seewhere]

last years link says 13th :confused:

[discgolfdog]

I want to know how Kenny G. dropped 6 strokes between final scores being posted at the park, and scores being posted on the tour page.

[my_hero]

This was the 15th Annual.



I see.

The PDGA has 13th for 2004, and 13th for 2003. Silly people!

I want to know how Kenny G. dropped 6 strokes between final scores being posted at the park, and scores being posted on the tour page.



I will check that tonight!

[gotcha]

This was the 15th Annual.



Steamboat is correct...1991 was the inaugural year. That '91 VPO was not the first sanctioned event at Veterans Park, however. The ADGA hosted an event in 1990 (the year the course was installed), but it was not called the "Veterans Park Open". And I believe it was a summertime event. Unfortunately, I cannot remember the name of the tournament...Skip probably remembers...

Jerry,
Wasn't it something like double barrel shoot out, or outlaws shootout. I seem to remember seeing a disc with a stamp like it was looking down the barrels of a double barrel shotgun........

[gotcha]

Wasn't it something like double barrel shoot out, or outlaws shootout. I seem to remember seeing a disc with a stamp like it was looking down the barrels of a double barrel shotgun........



No, the Double Barrel Shootout was a sanctioned doubles tournament hosted by the ADGA. I want to say that event was in 1993. The following year, we changed the name to the Texas State Doubles Championship....hosted again at Veterans Park before the Houston club stepped up and took it over the doubles tournament.

You'll need to ask Skip or one of the other old timers about that 1990 tournament. I'm racking my brain trying to remember the name... :confused:

[sandalman]

from the TX10 thread:

"This Sunday I have decided to offer a Trophy Only division within the Pro Women for half price entry.

The cost to any Am lady that does not think they can cash but still get to play with the Pro's they will only have to pay $25. That money will go into the Pro Ladies purse.
"

were we given the same option and decided not to offer it, or werewe refusedthat option?

i would like a definitive answer from someone in the ADGA hierarchy.

thanks.

pat

[crusher]

What's up Jerry?

If I remember correctly , the name of the event was something like "The Independence Open" and was held around the 4th of July weekend in 1990!

The first annual VPO was held in 1991...

[my_hero]

from the TX10 thread:

"This Sunday I have decided to offer a Trophy Only division within the Pro Women for half price entry.

The cost to any Am lady that does not think they can cash but still get to play with the Pro's they will only have to pay $25. That money will go into the Pro Ladies purse.
"

were we given the same option and decided not to offer it, or werewe refusedthat option?

i would like a definitive answer from someone in the ADGA hierarchy.

thanks.

pat




You'd have to hear it from Terry. I think he's the only one that actually talked to the PDGA.

So, what do you have up your sleeve?

[gotcha]

from the TX10 thread:

"This Sunday I have decided to offer a Trophy Only division within the Pro Women for half price entry.

The cost to any Am lady that does not think they can cash but still get to play with the Pro's they will only have to pay $25. That money will go into the Pro Ladies purse.
"

were we given the same option and decided not to offer it, or werewe refusedthat option?

i would like a definitive answer from someone in the ADGA hierarchy.



You could at least use the word "please" when requesting "a definitive answer from someone in the ADGA hierarchy". Your statement sounds like it came out of the mouth of a politician. Nonetheless, I cannot resist offering you my opinion....

October 8 & 9, 2005

Those were the dates for the VPO Amateur weekend. So what if Toolen initiated a poll on the matter? Who cares if the ADGA or the PDGA made the decision to not allow amateur players play the pro tournament? It's water under the bridge now.

Maybe that's something the ADGA can consider doing next year...allowing ams to play at half-price with no cash payout/trophy only. Besides, any amateur player could have played the pro weekend....after all, that's why they call it the "Open" division.

[gotcha]

If I remember correctly , the name of the event was something like "The Independence Open" and was held around the 4th of July weekend in 1990!



I think you're right about this tournament name and date. I'm sure that either Skip or Gene can confirm. Please tell them "Hi" for me when and if you do.

I spoke with Brian Mace last night and this particular topic came up during the conversation. He recalls "Circular Skies over Arlington" in 1990 as the first event at Veterans. I believe he's right. John Houck ran that event...the only Circular Skies event held at Veterans Park. That would have been in the springtime of 1990 if I'm not mistaken. I still remember some old t-shirts from that event...

[sandalman]

jerry, i didnt intend to be impolite, or a politician. (altho some say i excel at being both :) ) i was just stating what i would like, as in "i would like two scoops chocolate mocha", or "i would like some good chilly fall weather at some point this year".

and since we're talking about politeness and political correctness, why must you keep bragging about Cher? i mean, a LOT of guys have got her at some point or another! :D

[gotcha]

and since we're talking about politeness and political correctness, why must you keep bragging about Cher? :D



Politeness is great....political correctness blows....and who the $#@! is Cher? :D

[crusher]

Circular Skies over Arlington was the second event at the Vet. I remember quite well, as I ran the Independence Open, and then won the Open division at Houks event in 1991.

[seewhere]

BAGGER!!! :D

[my_hero]

Actually, i've seen old video footage of Leyva. Believe it or not, he was a hair farmer with a mustache! Looked more like a 70's porn star than the great discer that we know. :eek:

[sandalman]

ooked more like a 70's porn star than the great discer that we know.

WHAT????? you cant be both??? i want my membership fee back! :D

[gotcha]

Circular Skies over Arlington was the second event at the Vet. I remember quite well, as I ran the Independence Open, and then won the Open division at Houks event in 1991.



Craig...who won that Independence Open? Also, do you recall who won the 1991 VPO? I know that little 18 year old Mikey Sayre won in 1992...

[crusher]

Mitch Mac won the Independence open. I took both PDGA events at the Vet, Circular Skies and VPO in 1991.

[esalazar]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JOHN!!!!!

[jeterdawg]

Is this year's VPO going to be a Pro/Am event? The only one I see on the schedule is Nov. 4/5 and it just says Pro.

Thx

[cgflesner]

How could it be a Pro/Am?

U know how slow things roll around these parts. :p

[my_hero]

How could it be a Pro/Am?



b/c in 2004 only 48 AMs and 56 Pros came out to play. In 2005 only 33 AMs and 67 Pros. The real ? is Why not run a Pro/Am?

[cgflesner]

Ya, what about z-boaz open and ceader hill with 5 somes on every hole. That sucked!!

You know once you make it a pro/am event you will have 100 ams and 100 pros wanting to play and that is too much on one course.

[atxdiscgolfer]

why not add cedar hill to the mix and make it a pro-am;half the divisions play the coyote the rest play the beaver or whatever the other course is called.

[jeterdawg]

It wouldn't be the Veteran's Park Open without being at Veteran's Park! I agree that it'd be nice to have more events at Cedar Hill, but the Big Show is in January and the TX10 is in a couple of weeks, so that's not too bad.

To save the wasted workload of the staff and everything else, it should definitely be a Pro-Am this year, based on the turnout of the last two years. It would probably need 36 holes though...although I like the 3x24 hole format. I'm sure something will get figured out soon...October is fast approaching!

[atxdiscgolfer]

2 rounds Veterans and 2 round Cedar Hill; ZBoaz Open is still ZBoaz Open and you play Weatherford. :confused:

[dannyreeves]

I am sure this would never happen, but what about Veterans (18 hole layout) and Z-Boaz on Saturday. Then 1 round of 24 or 27 at the Vet on Sunday?

[cgflesner]

That krap course was just played last year for Z-boaz open, don't plan on it next year.

The Texas Ten at the Vet a couple of years ago put in two courses, so if it is going to be pro/am I don't see why they couldn's do it again.

[dannyreeves]

The only issue I had with that setup is that most of the temp holes were in the wide open. Didn't make for very good design.