should am get cash for my monthly

I am an open player,surrounded by am players no big deal .But should am players get cash. Am I crazy or should we do it different?

[bruce_brakel]

This will shock everyone but go read the rules and see for yourself. There is NOTHING in the rules to stop an am from taking cash in an am division for his finish in that division at a sanctioned tournament and yet retain his am status.

I know you don't believe me. Just go read the rule.

The rules specify three ways to lose your amateur status. If a TD were to pay his ams cash at a sanctioned tournament there is no loss of amateur status for that under our current rules.

I know. You can't believe it. Read the rule.

[losotd]

804.08.D Professional Divisions: In professional divisions, players compete for money.

804.08.E Amateur Divisions: Amateur players compete for trophies and/or prizes.

Seems pretty clear to me.

[bruce_brakel]

Until you actually read the rule that specifies how an amateur loses his amateur status.

An amateur may play for prizes, but the rules do not take away an amateur's am status if a TD pays him cash in an am division at a sanctioned tournament.

[losotd]

I agree with your first staement, but I think 804.08.E implies that ams cannot receive cash in an amateur division. The rule says that if they receive cash in a professional division they lose that am status. It does not address losing status by receiving cash in an am division, because this should not happen if 804.08.E is followed to the letter.

I guess not. what.It clearly states that ams play for prizes and open players play for Cash. :p

[topdog]

You are talking about a Monthy not a sanctioned tournament.
Yes you should pay them cash. That is like saying that if an AM wins your weekly doubles then you dont give them cash.

[PinHigh]

If you pay Ams Cash in your non sanctioned events, why would anyone play pro?

We pay funny money to our Ams for a local vendor and it works great. Ams can use the funny money that night or save it up.

[anita]

I took cash several times at non-sanctioned events. It was just easier for the TD to do the cash.

Honestly, how much are you charging/paying back at a mini??

[slo]

We charge Women $5, and pay it all back. That's a lot less than Open or M/Gm [$16/11], where $1 of each entry goes to the Acepool. In essence, Women get into the Acepool at no cost. ;) Any Woman, or first-timer can play for free if they choose, to see "what's up" with Tourneys. I also make the CTP so it is within reach of the shortest thrower [usually a Novice, not a Chick!].

...a single, low-cost Women's card has worked "better" than Pro Woman, ADv. Woman, Int. Woman, etc. I try and give everyone something, be it a mini, or an Innova sticker...just to show you we're glad you played! :cool:

[Parkntwoputt]

An Am accepting cash and losing Am status only applies to PDGA sanctioned events. Weekly/monthly mini's and other unsanctioned tours, Southern Nationals, Am's can accept cash, and even play pro and still remain as amateurs in PDGA events.

We do not have our rules set up like the Olympics. If that were so, I would have to play open because at an unsanctioned charity event, the TD did not have plastic to pay the Am's so he paid them back cash.

So, yes. Pay them cash, that is what I do in our mini's.

I pay back 100% but would like to do it in script. maybe a dollar of each disc sold with script will go to club. but what do I know I am just a golfer

We have plastic and why change the rules when we are trying to lead by example.Just becuse it is a non sanction event dont mean we half to change the rules to suite ams ho want money it took me 8 years to play for money. Why shold they be able to play for money in a tournament. Why not gamble on the side it would make it much easyer on the TD. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif (ME}

Well, my thought on tournament pay outs...as a near beginner who like to compete no matter how terrible I am, I do not fully like the idea of large portions of the am tournie fees going to pro payouts. I know I am donating my money pretty much everytime I go out to the course. But, why should the pros get the am money? If a TD wants to pay ams in an unsanctioned event, fine. If the TD wants to give disc money, fine. If the TD wants to take a dollar or two out of the am entry to pay pros, fine. Just don't take all the am money to pay the pros and deplete the am prize/payout.

Also, it seems that unless the rules specify that prizes cannot include cash, I don't see why ams can't take money in am divisions and not lose their classification. My rule book is not right here, but if it just says prizes and trophies you could argue that cash is a prize.

Yes it made total sense I will not put am money into the pro pot and do not think it is right.But if it states am's play for prizes and trophys and Pro's play for cash. Cash is not in the prize catigory . Or the disc golf holy book would say . I buy all my discs some ams win tons of them seems to me that everybody can get along. As a TD you half to be fare, never take and give if the takings not yours.I love this game.

[topdog]

So then you are saying that you would not put the AM money with the pro's so you would pocket there money. You would then give them plastic. I am glad I dont live in Fresno. You need to get out to other courses and see how they do it. Like Modesto or Stockton or even farther north.

Pocket whos what you dont get it 100%pay back to every one if you play like [I'm a potty-mouth!] you get prizes if you play good like a PRO you get cash.I have been almost every where in califonia it is the same.If you were top dog shean you would know this, TD is all vollenteer work nonprofit.If Shady Oaks and the Delta wind jammers did not take and give the clubs would not be here for lack of funds.Nobody has a bottem less pocket to donate money to disc golf .We as a group make it possible for compitition

And sorry I am a potty mouth by trade

[topdog]

You dont know what you are talking about Shady Oaks have singles every 3 Sat of the Mon. Everyone plays for the same pot. They give out stroke depending on how you have done in the past. Five for the entry fee one for the ace pot and one for the club fee and 2 if not a member. If you gave plastic to the AM's and didnt put there entry to the pro pot where would it go.

To pay for the plastic that you give the ams.And it sounds more like a handy cap league(giving strokes to ams) and not a monthly tournament.Our player base Is growing we have about 16 people thats it so far.All novice players in the standered of nor cal.Shady has a big player base.You are lucky to have that much comp... but its hard to find it in fresno. If we did it your way only 2 people would win everybody else would be took.Thats not fair.10 bucks 1 dollar to the club thats it.If you get alot of players in your div than there is alot of money in your div if not it takes three to make a division. Strait across we are not here to make money. Just to get it started in Fresno. No lack of knowledge here just lack of support.

[racerb491]

Why not, if they can take it from you. Just kick some butt and make them work for it :D. Or just give them plastic and you take the money.

[J_TEE]

Cool, now come play the Victoria Open. There will be prizes for Ams and cash for pros!!! Plus a band Sat. night and a real cool course. Bring it...