Hate for tournamnets.

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[deathbypar]

Whats a tournamnet?

So where's the email address where we can email you for being a knucklehead?

Hey, when you run events in city parks, that's the sort of thing you have to do.

You know, crazy things like get permission, schedule accordingly, sign paperwork and act like a grown up.

If all that hurt your feelings, well maybe you shouldn't run an event.

[Dick]

how could you try to run an event WITHOUT getting permission from the park? if you try hard enough, maybe you can even get the course pulled! i would suggest everyone write her and apologize for this guy being a knucklehead.

dude, get a grip. paying fees is part of running an event. you aren't "following" the rules, you are trying to evade them.

[bruce_brakel]

Thank you Mark! This is what I posted on the other thread started by this lurker:

Dude, the rest of us TDs pay the course use fees, fill out the forms and buy the PDGA insurance most of the time we run events. You just have to jump through the hoops. She is not hating on you. She's just running her park in a responsible, professional way. When I have dealt with Nancy Edwards, she has seemed like a very nice person.

[jconnell]

Yeah, that's the way to go. Don't follow park procedures and then sic the internet dogs on the poor woman for doing her job. Way to ingratiate yourself to the parks department.

From her email, she said she took down your flyer, which is probably where she's getting all information about your event.

<ul type="square"> Your flyer mentions nothing about limiting the field to less than 40 players, so how is she to know about that?
Your flyer mentions nothing about allowing other players on the course during your event, so how is she to know about that?
Your flyer states that the "donation" is to be used for prizes and course improvements. Sorry, "donations" used for prizes is an entry fee, optional or not. If 100% of player "donations" are going to the course fund and you still have prizes, then so be it. But any portion of the "donations" that don't go to the "cause" aren't really donations.[/list]
Why don't you try TALKING to this parks person and explaining your plans IN PERSON. Maybe she'll grasp the concept of what you want to do and let you go. Or maybe she can explain to you exactly what it is about your plans that will require you to go through the process of getting a special permit.

It makes absolutely NO sense to blast away at her on a message board or to direct anonymous people to send her "hate" (your word, not mine) e-mail.

Grow up guy...you'll give the sport a bad name in your town with this tact.

--Josh

Maybe we should start a pre-emptive save the game's image campaign in that particular city by emailing this lady letters of support for doing things the right way and not letting some doofus give our events a bad name.

Just a thought.

Seriously, when I was trying to run multiple events a year, I did have to jump through some hoops that I thought were uneccessary and that frustrated the crap outta me.

Still, the way to handle that is to discuss it, knowing that the best you can hope for is leaving a good impression of the sport and yourself, thus making things easier next year.

Like I said, grow up.

Oh, and you're welcome to Bruce and Happy B-day to Josh. ;)

[esalazar]

its simple, follow the mandated requirements. :Dalso the parks people can be your best friend!! they are an absolutely great resource when they are on board with what you are doing!! Hate will end with an undesirable fate mate!! :D

Yeah, what he said. :)

[brookep]

I just e-mailed Nancy to apologize for your lack of respect and rule following. Posting in this forum is not appropriate for these matters and only makes us look like unprofessional jerks.

Follow the rules and hope they don't pull the course because of your stupidity

Good call B!

Hey!.....is that an old Misfits album cover?

[brookep]

The Cramps!!!!

[Dick]

i tried pm'ing terry to edit the thread to remove the email address, but i don't think they are paying attention. we need a "report this thread" button or something.

^^^ Do you believe this guy? ^^^

I think we can handle it there buddy.

[Dick]

some people might try to actually email the lady hate mail. that would look real good for our image.

of course you probably don't care mr. chinadg.
go troll somewhere else.

"IF" some "people" were to email them, does that reflect the PDGA? Why would some dumb emails hinder the entire sport or an affilitation? Its not about control, its about being responsible and chosing the appropriate way to conduct ones self. If individuals want to make a jackASS of themselves then why would the recipeint stereotype all people that play disc golf that way? If they can't look upon themselves and say what an iidiot, then how can we say that they dont hate the world already? The world is full of igmo's, I think the educated have a way of filtering through the rubbish.

Just my 2 cents.

[Dick]

because first impressions are lasting impressions. i realize there are bad apples in every barrel, but the PDGA and disc goilf as a whole is not servered best by people complaining and harrassing park administrators. no offense, but OBVIOUSLY you haven't had the opportunity to deal with getting and keeping a park course alive Marcus. i would suggest you don't have the experience in these matters to really offer an informed opinon. why don't you try volunteering some time with the people who actually get courses installed and maintained in your area and then come back and tell us that the relationship with the park people doesn't matter. i don't think you would have the same opinion. having courses is a privledge, not a right. if you think because you pay taxes they are required to provide them for you, you are living in fantasy land. parks like DG because it is low cost and low hassle. but if it were to become a hassle, they would probably eliminate that hassle in a heartbeat. they could probably "filter" through the rubbish as you suggest, but how many times have you actually taken the time to thank the park people? i thought so. so the only contact they are going to get is negative jerkwads trying to skirt the park rules....

i tried pm'ing terry to edit the thread to remove the email address, but i don't think they are paying attention. we need a "report this thread" button or something.



You can blah blah blah, and yada yada yada all you want but the fact of the matter is you dont know who the heck I am or what I do, where as I can look at you and accurately say your a snitch! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

^^^What he said!^^^

[Dick]

oh yeah, i'm a snitch. what are you 15?

grow up and get a life. i see you hiding behind the cloak of anonymity throwing childish insults. I laugh because you are such a girly child. i mock you lack of morality and accountability. i detest your feeble attempts at humor and antagonism and will ignore you also, just like the other anonymous account posting on here. go get a dictionary, and pm back when you grow a pair! :o

seriously i highly doubt after reading all these posts that anyone ill acually send her a hate mail.. we're all mostly adults here we can handle it, no need to start telln on people and sh** like that, thats how many of our threads are being deleted...

Hey GOldenrod TD. is that tourny still gonna happen or what and if so..what, only 40 entranrts? i want in put me down

[Dick]

no, the threads aren't being deleted because someone TOLD on someone. threads are deleted because somoeone posts something they shouldn't . if you blame the person reporting it, you basically are condoning the poor behavior. In this case behavior that could cost you the course. trust me, from what i've seen so far JUST IN THIS THREAD, there definitely will be people emailing this poor lady with their poorly spelling hate spewing forth. if you doubt it, you will probably find out when you try to attend this event.

No one is pointing blame, nor does my stance on your snitching behavior imply that I condone wrong doing. I simply stated that you have to trust ones intelligence to filter out the bad with the good. A "report this thread button" Is just another moronic way of you feeling like your in control when you are so "NOT". Nor should the PDGA feel like they are being represented by these kind of people unless they REALLY ARE. This is my point. Are you trying to control the juveniles that filter through here with some kind of innovative brake through? I highly doubt it. You are just a taddle tale looking for another way express your bootay kissing ability. :D

If this was not the case then you would not get so bent outa shape about a dumb *****'s email. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Dick]

what ? i can't hear you! oh, that's ok, you've never had anything worthwhile to contribute anyway. ....someday you will grow up. maybe.

[Jake L]

There is a "notify moderator" button below. It is on every post. looks like a piece of paper, with a line through it. 3rd one from the left.

I don't think it works though.

[Dick]

i don't even see it. i thought it used to be there. maybe it's because i am using mozilla. thanks Jake.

[Jake L]

It could be the browser.

but its right next to the text; "post extras".

Using IE on a PC at work. :mad:

:p Ha ha. you can't see me!

seriously i highly doubt after reading all these posts that anyone ill acually send her a hate mail.. we're all mostly adults here we can handle it, no need to start telln on people and sh** like that, thats how many of our threads are being deleted...




I think this is what Marcus is stressing as well. I dont think Dr.Evil has the mental capability to relize that he was acting like a tattle tale or he just does not have the maturity to acknowledge it. Just my thoughts.

[Dick]

look the other child posted as well. i'm sure they are giving me a good name calling! i wonder if they are friends. maybe they can get together and put in a course or run an event? nah, that would be too much work.

Your work is appreciated in many ways. Now just admit that you will stop acting like a tattle tale. ;)

[JohnKnudson]

I think the educated have a way of filtering through the rubbish.



Trust me, we do.

[Dick]

now THAT is funny!

[Captain]

Here is the private message I just sent to Jmdhs77:

Jmdhs77,

Whether you like it or not paying park fees is typically a necessity.

Trying to skirt the fine line by trying to get in just under the radar is a mistake.

Asking people to send hate email to someone for doing their job is also a mistake.

If Ms. Edwards gets enough hate mail do you think she is going to change her mind?

Pay the fees or don't have the event.

Follow the rules or risk having the course pulled.

How is it possible you are smart enough to organize an event and yet dumb enough to not follow park rules?

Please feel free to contact me with your lame reply.

Kirk Yoo

This technique seams to work alot better than an "alert the moderator" button that would end up just getting a thread deleted and no solution prevailing. It is better to adress an issue and resolve it than to eliminate it through deletion.

This is the only thing I was trying to get you to understand Evil. Now dont you feel like this is going somewhere. Oh yeah I am ignored, I guess deletion works best for some. Ignorance is bliss :p

Here is the private message I just sent to Jmdhs77:





not very private now is it???

[Captain]

I wanted to make sure he, she or it got the message as soon as possible.

So, I sent it here, on the other thread and privately.

Believe me, I won't say anything privately that I won't say to someone publicly.

As I have said many times "I am neither shy nor scared"

Kirk

Mmmmmm........I see nothing wrong with posting his message to the board. It was his message which means he owns it. He is the author and can do whatevet he sees fit. I dont think he crossed ethical lines here.

[Dick]

seems like if you try to reply, you can see posts even if you are ignoring a user. so i un-ignored you marcus. you aren't quite the dull wit that chinadg is anyway.

to clarify, my intent with the "notify" button would be to inform a moderator that there was a post that needed editing, not to delete the entire thread. i still see no reason that her email address is still on here. no sense tempting the unwitting. i see your point about not censoring normal talk and discussion. if you had been around, you would know i have fought the board on that a few times. but calling someone a tattletale reeks of kindergarten. why don't you just call me a narc! "wow, dude, that evil guy narced us out man! he sucks!" :D

[inappropriate]

Narc! :D

Be carefull, for all you know I could be grunion! :D

I wanted to make sure he, she or it got the message as soon as possible.

So, I sent it here, on the other thread and privately.

Believe me, I won't say anything privately that I won't say to someone publicly.

As I have said many times "I am neither shy nor scared"

Kirk



yeah, i could really care less about it. i just thought it no longer was a "private" message. :D

Kirk, you are sorely missed around here. :)

Hope all is well.

Later,
Mark

[terrycalhoun]

Posting a received PM to an open DISCussion thread is not permitted, not to mention bad form. If anyone sees this happening again, please let me know.

[Captain]

Sorry Terry.

I just wanted to make sure they got the message asap.

There wasn't anything in the message that could have been deemed confidential.

Kirk

[Plankeye]

Posting a received PM to an open DISCussion thread is not permitted, not to mention bad form. If anyone sees this happening again, please let me know.



Terry only said that "Posting a received..." is not prohibited. He didn't say anything about "Posting a sent PM." In other words...I am interpretting Terry's statement as:

Person A sends a PM to Person B. Person B cannot post the contents of the PM, but if Person A wants to, then they can.

:)

[Captain]

I guess I didn't read Terry's post thoroughly.

I did not post a received message. I posted what I sent.

I only sent them a PM to make sure they got the message.

I'm sorry for the confusion.

Kirk

[MTL21676]

Posting a received PM to an open DISCussion thread is not permitted, not to mention bad form. If anyone sees this happening again, please let me know.



we should call this the Matt Hall rule :D

[bruce_brakel]

Posting a received PM to an open DISCussion thread is not permitted, not to mention bad form. If anyone sees this happening again, please let me know.

You need to add that to the new rules (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/boardrules.php?Cat=) too!

[wander]

Posting a received PM to an open DISCussion thread is not permitted, not to mention bad form. If anyone sees this happening again, please let me know.



(Mission Impossible Theme On)

We need messages which self-destruct. (Smoke not necessary). If they could slowly fade away upon reading never to be retrieved, we'd be all set. Some techno geek should get to work on it. They make pop-ups you can't get rid of, so they should make something you can't get back...

Is it still bad form if the PM includes an OK to repost? I'd not want to stifle use of the PM feature as a communication tool; I typically add text about forwarding in an email when I want to encourage folks to share information (just in case folks feel its not appropriate for share email as well, which some do.)

Joe

[terrycalhoun]

i tried pm'ing terry to edit the thread to remove the email address, but i don't think they are paying attention. we need a "report this thread" button or something.



You can blah blah blah, and yada yada yada all you want but the fact of the matter is you dont know who the heck I am or what I do, where as I can look at you and accurately say your a snitch! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Yeah, right. I call him a loyal PDGA supporter and appreciate the info. Posting that lady's contact info with the implied suggestion that people harass her could have done incalculable damage to disc golf.

[terrycalhoun]

Posting a received PM to an open DISCussion thread is not permitted, not to mention bad form. If anyone sees this happening again, please let me know.



Terry only said that "Posting a received..." is not prohibited. He didn't say anything about "Posting a sent PM." In other words...I am interpretting Terry's statement as:

Person A sends a PM to Person B. Person B cannot post the contents of the PM, but if Person A wants to, then they can.

:)



That's correct. Sorry for not being clearer.

i tried pm'ing terry to edit the thread to remove the email address, but i don't think they are paying attention. we need a "report this thread" button or something.



You can blah blah blah, and yada yada yada all you want but the fact of the matter is you dont know who the heck I am or what I do, where as I can look at you and accurately say your a snitch! /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Yeah, right. I call him a loyal PDGA supporter and appreciate the info. Posting that lady's contact info with the implied suggestion that people harass her could have done incalculable damage to disc golf.



OK Terry, here goes another hypothetical arguement that we always seam to have. I dont see why one persons persona of discgolf could be incalculable. If a couple of knuckle heads decided to send her an email, thats their issue. This would not be the down fall of a sport. If that was the case then Atwood would have ran discgolf into the ground as soon as his bright personality and vibrant language hit the board or course.

Second, I was merely stating that the PDGA should not run through hoops to try to hide or destroy this kind of info. They should teach the correct way of going about the situation with the experienced individuals on this site.

The "alert the mod button" was just overkill in my opinion and I was just razzing Evil about it. If we can't discuss and move forward with this type of juvenile behavior then it will never stop. Kinda like the anon issue.

[JohnKnudson]

The point of deleting the woman's e-mail address is that it would reflect poorly on the PDGA if the legions of misfits who frequent this board harass the woman for doing her job (eg, send her "hate mail" as the original poster suggested).

As we have seen before, telling people the correct way to deal with things over the Internet doesn't work. Isn't that right, Grunion?

Mmmmm. I would have to beg to differ. Although I have made some mistakes in the past, I have adjusted my approach since I was banned to fit this board and the posters. Just look at my posts. I would say I have come correct.

Thanks for the input and dont be a stranger. ;)

[JohnKnudson]

Although I have made some mistakes in the past, I have adjusted my approach since I was banned to fit this board and the posters. Just look at my posts.



Would those be the posts that were deleted yesterday because you physically threatened people or the posts that were deleted yesterday because you antagonized people?

I have never threatened anyone on this board period! If threads were deleted for antagonizing there would be no message board. No I beleive they were deleted because one of the PDGA members made a dillhole of themselves and that looked bad for the big picture.

Your one to talk about antogonizing cause your doing it now. Would you like to meet me in the misc thread to continue this conversation or is that a threat to your personal well being. What a goof.

[Dick]

as far as i'm concerned, one hate email to a park administrator would be too much. if you think it only reflects on the person who sent it, i would beg to differ also. the actions of individuals definitely reflect on the group. especially if the group allows a post on their board encouraging the hate mail.

True,....although it would not be a good thing, it would not be the downfall of the sport.

Yes I am aware that these types of instances are bad but we are going to have to deal with these types of things from time to time. The only thing we can do as a group is support the correct way of going about the issue and providing insight to the ones that have made bad decisions. Supporting the correct way for someone that has been sent email (Brooke, good call) acknowledging the problem and offering solutions from a positive aspect.