Which is Worse?? Wimpy Under Drive or Overshoot Midrange??

I realized after i have developed and tuned my drives my midrange game now has gone down the tube....... I was just curious to see how many agree that over shooting the basket midrange is worse than a 100 ft drive!!!

Maybe i should resume my cruddy distance in order to get control of my midrange game!!!!!!!!

It is easier for me to use the slowest disc to get more accuracy. This means the wimpy under drive would be worse (less consistant) for me than the overshoot midrange. On the other hand, if I was overshooting a midrange of the box on a certain hole I would try to see if I could reach it with a putter. If I have the D to get there with a putter then I would use it. If I couldn't get into comfortable birdie range with the putter then I would deploy a wimpy under midrange shot.

Ahhhhhhhh, nothing like shanking a drive and than #$%$#$#$ up the approach. However, I'll take a good upshot any day after a muddled drive.

For my game a bad midrange would be worse. If I shank a drive I can always save the hole with a good upshot. If I have a good drive and shank the upshot, now I'm relying on making a big putt to save the hole. For me, midrange is the most important.

[Znash]

The drive, if you can’t get it to the basket then your not going to get the birdie. Yes, it does suck to make a good drive and mess the upshot but if you’re already making an upshot then it probably was not a good drive or the hole is to long to duce. If you think about shanking your drive then you will shank it.

I was referring to 2-shot holes ... not pitch 'n putt holes

[Znash]

What do you conceder to be pitch and putt (distance wise)?
I think 320 and in to be pitch and putt. It's just like a putt-putt course all I need is my putter.

i agree in terms of distance .. IF you're talking about a straight forward hole with little hazards and risks and a nice line to the basket ... then yeah, that's pitch & putt ... just to say a hole is pitch & putt due to distance I think is wrong. Anyways, I'm talking about real "golf" holes where your drive is a placement shot .. where you actually have to assess the hole and think about it :)

[MTL21676]

overshooting a midrange - if you wimp a driver, it will hyzer out probably, which looses distance and accuracy

[dannyreeves]

And with the strong midrange shot, you have a better chance of acing!

[Moderator005]

What do you conceder to be pitch and putt (distance wise)? I think 320 and in to be pitch and putt. It's just like a putt-putt course all I need is my putter.



That's pretty impressive that you can throw a putter 320. I'll assume that's a flat 320. How about an uphill 320? I couldn't reach that with a mid-range driver.

You also imply that you can throw a putter on every hole under that distance, no matter its design. There are some extreme hyzers, anhyzers, and 'S' shots that I'll need a mid-range or driver to achieve. I'll also need such for a low-ceiling hole that demands a roller - how many people can throw a decent roller with a putter?

[Moderator005]

What do you conceder to be pitch and putt (distance wise)? I think 320 and in to be pitch and putt.



To me, 'pitch and putt' implies short tee shots: ~200-250 foot pitches. For most recreational, intermediate and advanced throwers, 320 is still a full drive; only Pros and a few top advanced players are throwing mid-range drivers or holding up on drives at that distance. Don't you think 275 and under is a better number?

For me, a female rec. golfer....... a decent treeless/non-windy day drive down the middle and my max strength is 250-275 Ft drives....... it is kinda worthless for me to birdie on the long holes...... 400FT +

I wallop the hell out of my midrange then and make a decent par if the hole is longer than 350 +..........

I am having problems with judging the strenth and distance of my midrange throws for a hole that is 50-100FT away! When in doubt, I sissy it close to the hole but sometimes i end up worse than i was before!!!!!!
:o

If you're having trouble from 50-100 ft. out, try working on a long jump putt. For me, it's a lot easier than trying to finesse a tricky upshot.

I used to have hella midrange problems, especially in the 50-100ft range. That is until I put down the midrange disc and grabbed for the putter, I can now run at the basket from these lengths and consistantly land within 10' (easy putt) or sink 'em. I use a CE Rhyno, but I know any putter will work. I also find I got a lot less skip and fade with the putter than the midrange which only helps the accuracy of these crucial shots. And then once you have putter confidence it won't be long before you're driving with it!! I can throw mine +/- 200' off the tee-box with confidence and some degree of accuracy. So quit posting and go throw!! :D

I don't like using putters........... maybe i should retract that statement....... :-) here in Oklahoma it is hella windy....... putters just don't work well in wind! so i just use a midrange to putt with! Well just for the time being that the wind will die down........ which dosen't look too soon here in Oklahoma!

I would love to go out and play but i need some tips first.... :DSo that way i can kick some MALE @$$ out there on the course..... :cool:

[slowmo_1]

I learned to play in OK and putters will be ok if you use good heavy and overstable ones. Try a good Pro D Challenger. Mine doesn't have to many problems with the wind...it's just my crappy putting ability that makes me miss.

[Moderator005]

...or a CE Rhyno, that's one overstable putter.

I learned to play in in the flatlands of Texas, and we used to get some bad winds pretty regularly. That was when I switched to a rhyno. The challenger looks like a great wind putter too...

[sandalman]

this is probably one question where we can learn from our Bolf cousins. take a look at PGA stats (http://sports.yahoo.golfserv.com/gdc/tourcentral/story.asp?StoryList=pga_stats;1;7&tour=PGA). Assuming you want to be a Scoring Leader, see how many names on each of the other lists show up on the Scoring Leader list.

Scrambling - 4
Putting - 4
Birdies - 4
Driving Distance - 3
Greens in Regulation - 3

Overall - 5, but that is kinda to be expected...

so it looks like a good upshot will save a poor drive (which is the essence of scrambling) but no matter what, ya gotta make the putt!

therefore, the answer answer to the original question is overshooting the midrange is worse than a wimpy drive.

Some one told me that if i change my grip on my midrange i wouldn't throw as hard as my driver........ is that true???? :D

Some one told me that if i change my grip on my midrange i wouldn't throw as hard as my driver........ is that true???? :D



assuming you're using a power grip right now, yes that's true ... if you change to a fan grip

happy birthday :-)

The fan grip just feels so flaky...... i guess i will have to try it out....

this is just my opinion, but I think the fan grip is soooo important ... I find I have much more control. Obviously though you lose distance, but for shorter drives and midrange shots, it's all I use, plus, I find it hard to power grip an Aviar :)

When i drive...... I have the icy cold death grip...... No one could pry my cold dead fingers loose off of the disc!!!!!! When i am chunking the midrange i still use the same technique yet i just try to control my strength!

I have a drive length of around 275' to 300' using the power grip. for anything 175'- 50' I use a fan grip and alternate putter or mid-driver depending on the flight path needed. The fan grip costs a lot in power, but is much easier to control and rarely results in a massive overshoot.
I would much rather shank a drive than an approach.

Just in the past few months I started using the fan grip, that and my champ cobra have done wonders for my mid range game. It seems to me that the fan grip allows me to take advantage of the natural glide of mid ranges. I also play a lot of rounds with just my mid ranges an a putter. Its gotten to the point where atleast my local course i dont use my drivers much at all, partly because I've gotten confortable and accuate with mid ranges and partly because the neglect to my drivers definately shows.

So after all that I would say midrange is more important.

I'm a very good midrange player, so losing that part of my game would suck the most.
i only drive it 250-270 on average, so those approach shots are crucial.

with a great midrange placement, you don't have to sweat so much on the putt!!!!! :D

That is why i think the over shot midrange sucks! Until i can nail putts from 30ft. I have to control my strength on those midrange shots!

I throw a S/H Chief so I don't have to worry about upshots. Seriously, this disc is the best upshot disc ever made. WAY better than any other wizard, challenger, or aviar!

Accurate midrange shots are always better than inconsistant drives.

By the way, I think Scott Stokley and Chris Voight used the fan grip to set their +700' distance records.

[veganray]

If you're trying to impress your friends, wimpy drive is worse.
If you're trying to CASH, overshot midrange is waaay worse.

I will drink to that!!! :D

Fan grip on a drive??? that is so "not normal"!!! is that the technique when you play regular frisbee out in a field with friends???

Actually, the Fan Grip feels really secure to me. I can throw my Wildcats 400' with a fan grip which is as good as I can do with a power grip or birdie grip. The Power Grip is just a bunch of hype (thats just what I think).

Hmmm...if you wimp out on the drive you're realistically looking at a 3 at best--the drive, your upshot, and then a putt. However, if you overshoot your midrange you're now sitting 3 and by "overshoot" I'm assuming that you'll probably have to 2 putt and realistically you're looking at no less than a bogie. Yeah you may sink that first putt and get the lucky 3, but on average would you expect to do so? Thus with that logic an overshot midrange is much worse.

Seriously, how much is Gateway paying you? :D

For me, overthrowing my approach (a problem I am currently struggling with, since my drives are starting to get closer on longer holes putting me in that "tweener" distance) is way worse on my scorecard.

With a wimpy drive, at least you're still going toward the basket. On a blown upshot that overshoots your target, you're having to come back to it. Bad for the mental game and rough on the score.

My upshots being tuned in have been the difference between me cashing or not this year, my drives aren't.

Just mho.

If you are going for the long birdie then the under drive is better. If you are going for the awe inspiring 50 foot putt for par, then overshoot midrange is better. Because a birdie is always better than a par, the overshoot midrange is worse.
:)

Most people who can throw any one of their discs accurately up to 200 ft. could hold an even score on most holes on most courses. I mean, just because a hole is 375 ft long doesnt mean everyone goes for the parkjob on it. That can lead to overthrowing your drive and getting a tough bird and ending up with par anyways.

My little brother started playing disc golf about a month ago, and he's only played 4 times. He throws his Teebird mildly about 200-250 ft. As long as his upshot is on, he'll hold par on almost any 300-375 ft hole.

When I go into tournament mode, I don't try to drive far, or even run at 150 ft birds. I play easygoing par, and it usually gives me good end results.

My opinion is a bad upshot is ALWAYS worse than a short drive.

[sandalman]

"My opinion is a bad upshot is ALWAYS worse than a short drive. "

TRUE DAT!

regarding upshots... all things being equal, i'd rather be long than short. if its long at least there was a chance for it to go in. obviously whats behind the basket and the wind direction could be mitigating factors.