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RE:
A. When the disc is released, a player must:
(1) Have at least one supporting point that is in contact with the playing surface on the line of play and within 30 centimeters directly behind the marker disc
What is the lattitude left or right of 'directly behind the disc'? Is it a 30cm 1/2 circle arc behind the line of the disc perpendicular to the basket, or is it literally directly behind the disc with no lateral allowance?
Cheers!
gang4010
May 04 2004, 03:55 PM
"On the line of play" means you draw a line from the target through the center of your mark, extended 30cm. Your support must be touching that line. No lateral allowance.
ck34
May 04 2004, 03:55 PM
No lateral. Some part of a supporting point must be on that 'line with no thickness' that passes thru the center line of the marker.
Quite easily, "A line is a widthless length" if some of ya remember ur geometry.
bambam
May 04 2004, 04:10 PM
Good question... let's see just how many different interpretations of this rule we can come up with.
I've always interpreted "on the line of play" to mean that if I bisect my mini marker with an imaginary line originating at the basket, then my plant foot should be touching this imaginary line as I throw.
Next??? :D
gang4010
May 04 2004, 04:28 PM
How bout this as a twist to the same question - does the line of play change if confronted with a mandatory? If so - how? Seldom will a mandatory be on the LOP to the target. And what does that do to the second supporting point - is it no closer to the target - or no closer to the mando?
Wouldn't it be an imaginary Line Segment???
You mean Segment the Sea Monster?
I think alot of players think the line is as wide as the mini,and if you don't mark your lie,as wide as the disc.
rhett
May 04 2004, 05:11 PM
I think alot of players think the line is as wide as the mini,and if you don't mark your lie,as wide as the disc.
I think you are right, and that those players are wrong. :)
You can have your toe touching the LOP and be okay, but I've seen people put their toe on the LOP and stretch out to the side only to rock up on their heel before they throw. That would be a stance violation. I try todig my heel in on the LOP before I stretch to the side.
quickdisc
May 04 2004, 06:07 PM
I think alot of players think the line is as wide as the mini,and if you don't mark your lie,as wide as the disc.
I think you are right, and that those players are wrong. :)
You can have your toe touching the LOP and be okay, but I've seen people put their toe on the LOP and stretch out to the side only to rock up on their heel before they throw. That would be a stance violation. I try todig my heel in on the LOP before I stretch to the side.
Exactly. Stand directly behind the mini without touching it , directly parallel to the hole without the other foot forward of the mark. Whew. That was a mouthful :D
rhett
May 04 2004, 06:49 PM
Stand directly behind the mini without touching it , directly parallel to the hole without the other foot forward of the mark.
Technically, the rule says "no closer to the hole than the back edge of the marker". That means a circle around the target. :)
quickdisc
May 04 2004, 07:01 PM
Stand directly behind the mini without touching it , directly parallel to the hole without the other foot forward of the mark.
Technically, the rule says "no closer to the hole than the back edge of the marker". That means a circle around the target. :)
Thanks Rhett , you know what I mean. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I have seen the other foot on a straddle putt not parallel to the hole behind the marker. It's was in in front of the mini. That's what I meant. Some didn't know the difference between the different stances.
keithjohnson
May 04 2004, 07:15 PM
How bout this as a twist to the same question - does the line of play change if confronted with a mandatory? If so - how? Seldom will a mandatory be on the LOP to the target. And what does that do to the second supporting point - is it no closer to the target - or no closer to the mando?
playing the mando as the target is the way the rule is written craig....
i'm surprised that nick or rhett didn't jump all over you for that question :D
speaking for stances and marking
quickdisc
May 04 2004, 07:18 PM
How bout this as a twist to the same question - does the line of play change if confronted with a mandatory? If so - how? Seldom will a mandatory be on the LOP to the target. And what does that do to the second supporting point - is it no closer to the target - or no closer to the mando?
playing the mando as the target is the way the rule is written craig....
i'm surprised that nick or rhett didn't jump all over you for that question :D
speaking for stances and marking
Good call....................Hey Keith , are you coming out to San Diego for the Open ?
keithjohnson
May 04 2004, 07:27 PM
don...don't you read the san diego open thread???
you sound like nick now :Dasking obvious questions because you dion't read things first before asking :D
how are you recovering....am i going to have to take you down also at the event??...or are you going to REALLY rest up like you are supposed to and caddy for me so you can give me all the new local routes that changed from last year
:eek:
quickdisc
May 04 2004, 07:32 PM
don...don't you read the san diego open thread???
you sound like nick now :Dasking obvious questions because you dion't read things first before asking :D
how are you recovering....am i going to have to take you down also at the event??...or are you going to REALLY rest up like you are supposed to and caddy for me so you can give me all the new local routes that changed from last year
:eek:
Ah.......See...............I knew you would respond. :D
I may help out with staff and stuff , but if you want me to caddy for you , how bad do you want to win ? :eek:
keithjohnson
May 04 2004, 07:35 PM
i don't need your HELP caddying to help me win...i need to have your mental outlook :D
quickdisc
May 04 2004, 07:38 PM
i don't need your HELP caddying to help me win...i need to have your mental outlook :D
Are you sure about that ? I'm on some heavy duty meds. right now. Only thing I can tell you is the Colors , the Colors..... :D:D
keithjohnson
May 04 2004, 07:58 PM
ok...your sense of humor then not mental outlook....that's kinda what i was going for anyways :D
just tell me if i should throw the red t-bird,the orange buzz,the clear xl, or the jeff ash brainwave jls...i'll do the rest :D
Thanks Rhett , you know what I mean. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
I have seen the other foot on a straddle putt not parallel to the hole behind the marker. It's was in in front of the mini. That's what I meant. Some didn't know the difference between the different stances.
Careful, you're touching on a technicality, and it may be legal. Parallel has absolutely nothing to do with anything.
If my mini is 1' from the basket, and my off-foot is 6' away from my mini, a requirement to be parallel would put that off-foot 6.08' from the basket, and a perfectly legal stance could look like it was "in front" of the mini from the wrong perspective.
Jake L
May 05 2004, 08:32 AM
If my mini is 1' from the basket, and my off-foot is 6' away from my mini,
You did mean 6" (inches) from the mini, right.
but I thought the supporting point behind the mini had to be about 1 foot on the LOP, Then, if the distance from pole to mini is 15.2 feet, then your other supporting point has to be no closer than 15.2 feet from the basket.
Now this may "look" like you have one supporting point in front of the mini, but this is a legal stance? true/false.
For sake of arguement Right foot behind mini, Left foot not behind mini, With the "look" of your left foot being in front of your mini would be greater at shorter putts, (tighter circle around basket) and a long upshot (100 feet or more), the look of the left foot should appear to be "parallel" to the mini?
anyone understand this?
gnduke
May 05 2004, 08:42 AM
When you are less than 3' from the basket, you approach the area where it becomes legal to basically straddle the basket.
Useful on very windy days. Legal as long as the foot that is not behind the basket is no closer to the basket than the mini.
quickdisc
May 05 2004, 08:48 AM
ok...your sense of humor then not mental outlook....that's kinda what i was going for anyways :D
just tell me if i should throw the red t-bird,the orange buzz,the clear xl, or the jeff ash brainwave jls...i'll do the rest :D
Jeff Ash brainwave JLS sounds cool. I'd bring them all just in case the wind is up. :D
I'm going to volunteer my time and help with the NT event at La Mirada, the golden state classic, as much as I can since I can't play yet. I'd still like to see if Masters Cup is in the cards. :eek:
If my mini is 1' from the basket, and my off-foot is 6' away from my mini,
You did mean 6" (inches) from the mini, right.
No, I meant six feet. By "off-foot", I meant the foot that is not behind the mini. It was intended to be an extreme example.
Then, if the distance from pole to mini is 15.2 feet, then your other supporting point has to be no closer than 15.2 feet from the basket.
Now this may "look" like you have one supporting point in front of the mini, but this is a legal stance? true/false.
True.
For sake of arguement Right foot behind mini, Left foot not behind mini, With the "look" of your left foot being in front of your mini would be greater at shorter putts, (tighter circle around basket) and a long upshot (100 feet or more), the look of the left foot should appear to be "parallel" to the mini?
anyone understand this?
Yes. But using the word "parallel" is not only wrong, it's confusing. Parallel to what? You can't be parallel to a mini, you need to be parallel to a line "perpendicular to the LOP at the rear edge of the mini" would be better, but still incorrect.
Jake L
May 05 2004, 10:08 AM
perpendicular[/i] to the LOP at the rear edge of the mini" would be better, but still incorrect.
Thank you, thats what I intended to say,
how is it "better, but still incorrect"
is it because the lines are not straight, but bends according to distance from the pole? nothing is parallel, b/c we are dealing with circles?
Thank you, thats what I intended to say,
how is it "better, but still incorrect"
is it because the lines are not straight, but bends according to distance from the pole? nothing is parallel, b/c we are dealing with circles?
Correct. It's not a straight line, but an arc of a circle.
quickdisc
May 05 2004, 10:39 AM
Thank you, thats what I intended to say,
how is it "better, but still incorrect"
is it because the lines are not straight, but bends according to distance from the pole? nothing is parallel, b/c we are dealing with circles?
Correct. It's not a straight line, but an arc of a circle.
It's just so folks don't cheat. No standing in front of the mini/marker and no closer to the hole.
gang4010
May 05 2004, 11:23 AM
Keith,
I knew the answer - I was just offering it for discussion to help folks who may not have been aware of this nuance. I think NK and Rhett probably knew/recognized that - or maybe they just weren'y paying attention? :)
gnduke
May 05 2004, 11:24 AM
Nothing says you can't stand in front of your mini.
Only no closer to the target than the back edge of the mini.
If you are close enough to the basket, you can stand with one foot on each side of the basket and be legal.
If you are about 6' away on a windy day, straddling out so each foot is about 6' from the basket makes the putt a drop-in instead of requiring the disc fly in the wind for 2'. Significant advantage at times.
keithjohnson
May 05 2004, 03:16 PM
Keith,
I knew the answer - I was just offering it for discussion to help folks who may not have been aware of this nuance. I think NK and Rhett probably knew/recognized that - or maybe they just weren'y paying attention? :)
figured as much craig....
my guess is that rhett and nick are too busy arguing stacked ib/ob to worry about REAL issues :D
rhett
May 05 2004, 08:30 PM
it was such obvious bait that it wasn't worth commenting on. :)
quickdisc
May 06 2004, 08:53 AM
it was such obvious bait that it wasn't worth commenting on. :)
:D
bigchiz
May 06 2004, 01:51 PM
I may have scaned this too fast, but did anyone point out how lining up for a mando can put your off foot (the one not behind the mini) closer to the basket than the mini?
What happens if the thrown disc lands basically under the basket, the player walks up and places the putter on top of the basket, marks the lie with a mini, then puts the putter into the basket and lets go? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
prairie_dawg
May 06 2004, 02:04 PM
I may have scaned this too fast, but did anyone point out how lining up for a mando can put your off foot (the one not behind the mini) closer to the basket than the mini?
What happens if the thrown disc lands basically under the basket, the player walks up and places the putter on top of the basket, marks the lie with a mini, then puts the putter into the basket and lets go? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
You can just place your foot behind the disc inline with the hole and place your putter in the basket. No need to mark that one unless you really want to :D
This is one of those rules where I believe an illustration [drawing] of what is happening would really help clarify the situation...does anyone know if a set of "illustrated rules" exists? The forthcoming "pictionary" by Stancil Johnson, perhaps?
...this is one of those "when I get around to it" projects I've been mulling, but no need, if it would be redundant...
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