Most Disc Golf Baskets Per Course Ever?

I was just wondering if anyone knows what top 3 courses have the most baskets? Is the new PDGA headquarters going to be the most?

[Chris Hysell]

There are at least 54 baskets at the Grange in Spotsylvania, Va.

[ck34]

By next year, the new Highbridge Hills Sports Complex in northern Wisconsin plans to have over 100 baskets including practice baskets on five 18-hole and one 9-hole course within a 300 acre area. Then, three more 18-hole courses are planned for 4 miles away. See Upshots in latest DGWN.

Where is the Highbridge Hills Sports Complex going to be in Northern Wisconsin?

[gnduke]

And why do you put it so far from Texas ? :confused:

[ck34]

Highbridge is about 15 miles south of Ashland near the town of Mellen off Hwy 13. D-tier being planned for Sunday, July 4th with doubles on Monday. More details later.

[girlie]

Like any of you guys leave Texas anyway! :p ;) :D:D

Paw-Paw, 36 holes..2 1/2 miles of golf.

[gnduke]

There are only 15 states that I haven't played in.

And I have played quite a few courses in Wisconsin, just don't get to make it there very often.

By next year, the new Highbridge Hills Sports Complex in northern Wisconsin plans to have over 100 baskets including practice baskets on five 18-hole and one 9-hole course within a 300 acre area. Then, three more 18-hole courses are planned for 4 miles away. See Upshots in latest DGWN.




How many courses are in the ground there now? Pay to play? (if so how much?)

By next year, the new Highbridge Hills Sports Complex in northern Wisconsin plans to have over 100 baskets including practice baskets on five 18-hole and one 9-hole course within a 300 acre area. Then, three more 18-hole courses are planned for 4 miles away. See Upshots in latest DGWN.



SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
looks like i'll be going to wisconsin in the next year or so :D

By next year, the new Highbridge Hills Sports Complex in northern Wisconsin plans to have over 100 baskets including practice baskets on five 18-hole and one 9-hole course within a 300 acre area. Then, three more 18-hole courses are planned for 4 miles away. See Upshots in latest DGWN.


Yikes, who decided to put them in that state??
The best thing about Wisconsin are "Burritos as Big as Your Head" just off Univ. of Wis campus.
Other than that,.......still thinking.
wait for it.

hmmm, nothing.
Wait, The Green Bay Packers and Brett Favre, OK, two things good.
How many days a year do they figure people can play there??

[Karma Police]

Oooooo. That's harsh man. WI has tons of great courses. And soon we'll have the biggest in the world! I'm ok with that. :D

[gnduke]

That just ain't right, the most and the biggest belong in Texas. We gots to do somethin' 'bout that.

[ck34]

The Rec 9 by the new campground (over 25 spots to start) will go in at Highbridge probably week of May 10. The three Championship courses are designed and marked (Gold extended layout over 10,000). Mach 3s for at least one course and possibly two should be delivered by June 1. Some clearing work still needs to be done and the weather hasn't been cooperating to get the dozer in some muddy spots. We're tentatively planning a 'shakedown' weekend on June 19-20 open to anyone who wants to check it out and test both tees on the three courses with at least six individual rounds over both days.

Hopefully baskets for all three main courses will be in the ground for our D-tier on July 4th (not confirmed yet). All five championship courses will hopefully be in the ground by fall with a B-tier tentatively Oct 9th when some Fall colors may still be there. The next three courses 4 miles away would be designed and cut out over winter so they could go in next spring. If all goes well, there will be eight 18 and one 9 in the ground in time for the first ever Ratings Nationals there late next June.

[specialk]

Are we talking most baskets per course, or most courses per park?

The Iowa State University course will have 18 holes w/ 27 permanent baskets on the course.

The Rec 9 by the new campground (over 25 spots to start) will go in at Highbridge probably week of May 10. The three Championship courses are designed and marked (Gold extended layout over 10,000). Mach 3s for at least one course and possibly two should be delivered by June 1. Some clearing work still needs to be done and the weather hasn't been cooperating to get the dozer in some muddy spots. We're tentatively planning a 'shakedown' weekend on June 19-20 open to anyone who wants to check it out and test both tees on the three courses with at least six individual rounds over both days.

Hopefully baskets for all three main courses will be in the ground for our D-tier on July 4th (not confirmed yet). All five championship courses will hopefully be in the ground by fall with a B-tier tentatively Oct 9th when some Fall colors may still be there. The next three courses 4 miles away would be designed and cut out over winter so they could go in next spring. If all goes well, there will be eight 18 and one 9 in the ground in time for the first ever Ratings Nationals there late next June.



I'll be in and out of northern Wisconsin all summer so if I can lend a hand, let me know what I can do. I'll only be an hour from ya. Send me an e-mail to flippindiscs@hotmail.com

[scoop]

Like any of you guys leave Texas anyway! :p ;) :D:D



With only two Event-less weekends in the Great State of Texas in 2004...and many weekends with multiple events to choose from...we don't have to leave Texas to play.

If your arguement is that we should leave the state to play a variety of different courses, then you havn't ever seen the difference between the deserts of West Texas, the Piney Woods of East Texas, the coastal plains, or the Central Texas hill country. And with over 110 courses (9 in MD), we'd have to travel nearly half-way around the US just to play all the courses in our own backyard.

Heck if a guy from Beaumont, Tx wanted to play a tournament in El Paso, he'd have to drive 835 miles (each way) to get there. And never leave the state. If you traveled 835 miles from Baltimore, you could play in Tampa Bay, Cedar Rapids, Memphis, Halifax (Nova Scotia), Mellen (WI), Thunder Bay (Ontario), Decatur (MS), or Free Port City (the Bahamas).

Point being that for many of us, leaving TX is comparable to you going across 6 state lines to play.

Now, did you really want to discuss why we don't leave Texas that often to play, or were you just making small talk? ;)

[okcacehole]

I'll always leave it to Robbie to show us the way :D

I would love to try and play all the course just in this state, but that in itself is quite an task. I think I may have about 30 of the 105+ we have.

Houston and Austin...your next.

[quickdisc]

Are we talking most baskets per course, or most courses per park?

The Iowa State University course will have 18 holes w/ 27 permanent baskets on the course.



I played a tournament at La Mirada , CA. and there was 36 baskets playable. A front 18 and a back 18. :D

[Moderator005]

In my region, the Warwick course started a trend in having multiple baskets (36) permanently installed. With a set of regular pin positions and a set of alternates, along with am tees and Pro tees, there are virtually four separate courses available for play at any time. The Pyramids disc golf course and Borderlands State Park in New England are following suit with similar setups.

The beauty of the Warwick setup is that the baskets are different colors. The shorter set is silver while the more difficult positions are powder blue. Additionally, on very few holes are the pin positions located near each other. On most holes, they are separated by as many as 100-300 feet. The result is very aesthetically pleasing. Beginners and first time players at the course rarely have problems holing out to the correct target.

At Pyramids, one set of poleholes are Chainstars while another set is yellow Discatchers. However, this course is on private property with a limited amount of room. Many of the pin positions are very close to each other and the result is not quite as eye-pleasing. One hole (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/courses/holes/pyramids_5_4.html) in particular has baskets that are separated by less than a foot!

I point this out so that other course builders take this into consideration. Keep in mind that alternate basket positions that are permanent are a nice feature of a course when different styles or colors are used to differentiate them, and when there is sufficient space between the baskets. Often, this will result in a different playability (par 3 versus par 4) but that is a good thing as well.

WOW ... why would they do that? I can't imagine why you would want to have two baskets right near each other. I guess one is always acting as an obstacle to the other...

Warwick is the only course I have played with 36 baskets on 18 holes ... it is very cool! :cool:

[Cdale600]

Wall Doxey in Holly Springs, MS has 40 holes in two 20 hole courses. Take that 36 basketeers... :D

[scoop]

Circle R in San Saba, TX (home of PDGA World Doubles Championships) -- One ranch, 54 holes with 54 baskets. Red, white, and blue tees. None of them easy. All of them memorable. Not for the timid.

[sandalbagger]

my guess would be Ft. Steilacoom. They had like 100 baskets or something ridiculous like that. 5 or 6 courses. I was soooo confused

Hudson Mills in Ann Arbor, MI is the home of the Great Lakes Open and they have 48 holes with 2 tee pads each and then on the Monster course they also have 5 Championship baskets. Plus there is a practice hole with tee pad and basket so they have a total of 54 baskets. So you can play 107 different hole configurations. They also had another course set up as a temporary for the 2000 Worlds in the campground area.

[quickdisc]

Hudson Mills in Ann Arbor, MI is the home of the Great Lakes Open and they have 48 holes with 2 tee pads each and then on the Monster course they also have 5 Championship baskets. Plus there is a practice hole with tee pad and basket so they have a total of 54 baskets. So you can play 107 different hole configurations. They also had another course set up as a temporary for the 2000 Worlds in the campground area.


Wow.............54 baskets on a single course ?
That is the most I have ever heard of. :eek:

mills is actually two seperate courses in the same park, with both first holes being a mere one minute walk apart and vending machines/bathrooms in between. very nice setup.

[quickdisc]

mills is actually two seperate courses in the same park, with both first holes being a mere one minute walk apart and vending machines/bathrooms in between. very nice setup.


Sounds fun. How long does it take to play all 54 holes ?

[morgan]

Warwick has 36 permanent pins on the front 18, and the back 18 "Wolfe Woods" currently has 11 installed but will have 18 holes (with 2 pins each eventually if I know Dan and Scott), that's 72, but you have to include the practice pin that's 73.

Not all pins are in yet of course, but let's see if anybody can top 73 pins on one course...

mills is actually two seperate courses in the same park, with both first holes being a mere one minute walk apart and vending machines/bathrooms in between. very nice setup.


exactly right what a great park and only 45 minutes to an hour away from my house :Dyet i don't get up there to play nearly as much as i want. :( but a great place that is very much supported by the parks and rec. too bad more parks couldn't get as supportive as these guys.

[quickdisc]

Warwick has 36 permanent pins on the front 18, and the back 18 "Wolfe Woods" currently has 11 installed but will have 18 holes (with 2 pins each eventually if I know Dan and Scott), that's 72, but you have to include the practice pin that's 73.

Not all pins are in yet of course, but let's see if anybody can top 73 pins on one course...


Pins , sleaves , or actual Pole Hole's ( Baskets ) ?

mills is actually two seperate courses in the same park, with both first holes being a mere one minute walk apart and vending machines/bathrooms in between. very nice setup.


Sounds fun. How long does it take to play all 54 holes ?



whenever i'm fortunate enough to be here in metro D, i plan for at least 5 hours at hudson mills to play both courses. if the original course looks busy i'll step over to the monster and play it first.

if you play in a foursome on a sunny weekend, plan an entire golf day with two challenging rounds and lunch in between.

visitor center has both courses scorecards and pencils, if they aren't in the box at the first tee.

[quickdisc]

mills is actually two seperate courses in the same park, with both first holes being a mere one minute walk apart and vending machines/bathrooms in between. very nice setup.


Sounds fun. How long does it take to play all 54 holes ?



whenever i'm fortunate enough to be here in metro D, i plan for at least 5 hours at hudson mills to play both courses. if the original course looks busy i'll step over to the monster and play it first.

if you play in a foursome on a sunny weekend, plan an entire golf day with two challenging rounds and lunch in between.

visitor center has both courses scorecards and pencils, if they aren't in the box at the first tee.


How often is the " Monster" totally playable ?

i've never been out there when both courses weren't playable.
in fact, i left home once when it was a very nice 85 degrees and sunny, six hours later i'm at the detroit airport and next morning first thing i'm at the mills playing both courses while wearing gloves, woolcap, sixteen different layers of clothes and boots and keeping my discs in a pizza delivery box with handwarmers inside so my fingers wouldn't break when i gripped them.

so many quality shots though, it's like having two la miradas only without people picnicking in the fairway or driving up to the parking lot behind three's pin just waiting for your drive to stop so they can jump out of the car and take off with it.

actually, now that i think about it, even without picnickers or vagrants, on a hole by hole comparison basis, i would choose hudson mills, kensington or stony over la mirada any day of the week. la mirada does have sunshine and palm trees, but, if i want that i can just go home.

[quickdisc]

i've never been out there when both courses weren't playable.
in fact, i left home once when it was a very nice 85 degrees and sunny, six hours later i'm at the detroit airport and next morning first thing i'm at the mills playing both courses while wearing gloves, woolcap, sixteen different layers of clothes and boots and keeping my discs in a pizza delivery box with handwarmers inside so my fingers wouldn't break when i gripped them.

so many quality shots though, it's like having two la miradas only without people picnicking in the fairway or driving up to the parking lot behind three's pin just waiting for your drive to stop so they can jump out of the car and take off with it.

actually, now that i think about it, even without picnickers or vagrants, on a hole by hole comparison basis, i would choose hudson mills, kensington or stony over la mirada any day of the week. la mirada does have sunshine and palm trees, but, if i want that i can just go home.


Where's your home mon? :cool:

you no see dat tiny likkle islan ova deso?

de won wit all de palm trees cool breeze an all a dem pickney dem tryin for to sell you some shells and peppa swimp?

[quickdisc]

you no see dat tiny likkle islan ova deso?

de won wit all de palm trees cool breeze an all a dem pickney dem tryin for to sell you some shells and peppa swimp?


The Kind !!!!!! I like it !!!!! :cool:
How many Disc Golf courses do you have there ?
Is there any yet ?

it don matta bout de numbas mon, you no see dat wata dere? you don see de blue mountains an de green hills?
raatid mon, you still carry your own bag too?

what kind of bag you talkin about? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

ah. ahem. cough. that would be my golf bag. if you play de green island mon, you tek bag offa you shoulda an put it pon pickney dem, you gwoin have one ras hard time keepin feet pon de groun, but no problem wit havin your head in de clouds.

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Warwick has 36 permanent pins on the front 18, and the back 18 "Wolfe Woods" currently has 11 installed but will have 18 holes (with 2 pins each eventually if I know Dan and Scott), that's 72, but you have to include the practice pin that's 73.

Not all pins are in yet of course, but let's see if anybody can top 73 pins on one course...


Pins , sleaves , or actual Pole Hole's ( Baskets ) ?



That's actual baskets. Two permanent pole holes per hole. Two tees also -- makes for four permanent layouts.

Luke

[neonnoodle]

Actually I think it is potentially 324 permanent layouts...

Depending on which tees you combine with which tees and which pins you combine with which pins, and then which tees you combine with which pins.

It could be as many as 104,976 different permanent courses, I'm no mathematician though.

Oh yeah, and that is just for 2 sets of tees and 2 sets of baskets per hole. The original course would have even more combinations...

Where's Chuck when you need him? :confused:

[quickdisc]

Quote:
Warwick has 36 permanent pins on the front 18, and the back 18 "Wolfe Woods" currently has 11 installed but will have 18 holes (with 2 pins each eventually if I know Dan and Scott), that's 72, but you have to include the practice pin that's 73.

Not all pins are in yet of course, but let's see if anybody can top 73 pins on one course...


Pins , sleaves , or actual Pole Hole's ( Baskets ) ?



That's actual baskets. Two permanent pole holes per hole. Two tees also -- makes for four permanent layouts.

Luke


Wow........that is quite a bit. Thanks for the info. :)

[ck34]

I think the total number of combinations might be 4 to the 18th power which is: 68,719,476,736. That's if you are allowed to pick either tee and pin on each hole as you play the course. If you are only playing the Blue tees and can pick either pin, then there are 2^18 combintions which is 262,144 course layouts. That's a lot of SSAs to track. Fortunately, you only need the SSA of each of the 72 individual holes to calculate the total SSA of any course layout.

[quickdisc]

I think the total number of combinations might be 4 to the 18th power which is: 68,719,476,736. That's if you are allowed to pick either tee and pin on each hole as you play the course. If you are only playing the Blue tees and can pick either pin, then there are 2^18 combintions which is 262,144 course layouts. That's a lot of SSAs to track. Fortunately, you only need the SSA of each of the 72 individual holes to calculate the total SSA of any course layout.


Maybe my mistake. I was looking for total number of perm. baskets on a course.

[ck34]

Sounds like Warwick and Pyramids have the most per course at 36 with two baskets on each hole.

Looks like San Saba currently has the most baskets on one site at 54 for three courses. Hudson Mills is close with 48 on two courses plus the 5 extra Championship pins.

Warwick will match the 54 hole number for two courses once Wolfe Woods is completed.

Highbridge will potentially pass everyone on the most baskets per site with 63 on four courses by summer and potentially two more courses on that site by fall giving them 99 (plus 3 practice baskets for 102).

Augusta will eventually get close to that on one site with 90 on five courses plus up to a dozen more on the Skill Shot course plus practice baskets.

[ck34]

Ft. Steilacom is in it's own category. The extra baskets there are not part of the same course layout like Warwick. There are several 'safari' courses all within the main course. I suggest wearing a helmet and having spotters, not so much for your own throws as watching for throws from all other directions when the course is busy.

[quickdisc]

Sounds like Warwick and Pyramids have the most per course at 36 with two baskets on each hole.

Looks like San Saba currently has the most baskets on one site at 54 for three courses. Hudson Mills is close with 48 on two courses plus the 5 extra Championship pins.

Warwick will match the 54 hole number for two courses once Wolfe Woods is completed.

Highbridge will potentially pass everyone on the most baskets per site with 63 on four courses by summer and potentially two more courses on that site by fall giving them 99 (plus 3 practice baskets for 102).

Augusta will eventually get close to that on one site with 90 on five courses plus up to a dozen more on the Skill Shot course plus practice baskets.


Cool.........thanks for the detailed info. :D

[neonnoodle]

Thanks Chuck, I knew 104,976 was a little low. I didn't think it was 67 billion to low though... :D

[quickdisc]

Thanks Chuck, I knew 104,976 was a little low. I didn't think it was 67 billion to low though... :D


What ? :D

If you go to www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com (http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com) there are pictures of all the holes at pyramids as well as its sister course maple hills. the hole with the gold and silver pin side by side is probably completely unique in the discgolf world, and is set up that way because the course designer decided that that is where each pin belongs. it doesn't really bother me, but it makes me curious, if i tee off on silver and ace the gold basket or vice versa do i get a two? /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

[Moderator005]

"The pond hole, with the Chainstar and Discatcher right next to each other, which for some strange reason really pisses people off. Good. Easy to throw short into the OB pond or long past the fast green and over the dam or dike or whatever you call it. Trying to stick it into the bank produces mixed results, and some of the best golfers in the world have yet to figure this hole out, with dozens of average Joes having aced one pin or the other. 156 and 157 feet. Easy deuce. Easy Bogey."

http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/courses/holes/pyramids/5_4.jpg

[ck34]

Obviously the designer is not a member of the course designers group. Shows lack of creativity since it's obviously better to have one basket mounted in a depression with the other stacked on top of it and say a nearby large tree stump to stand on to retrieve your disc from the upper assembly... I mean if you're going to do something ridiculous anyway /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

make something idiot proof and they'll just invent a better idiot, or something to that effect.

i thought i'd seen some stupid shite on golf courses, those two baskets side by side ranks right up there.

i like that part in the description about some of the best pros in the world trying to figure out a 150 foot hole. ok.

in spite of all of that nonsense, i dont care which pin is the "appropriate" one for the hole, i would shoot for the Mach basket over the innova or discraft knockoffs any day of the week.

[jconnell]

Don't think that hasn't been suggested Chuck...

Lack of creativity may be to blame for those pin placements and a few others at Pyramids (see hole 6, right after the one above, where the pins are just 15 feet apart). The truth is that in his zeal to unnecessarily "keep up with the Joneses" in terms of course difficulty, the course owner went the "Warwick" route on a piece of property that was near bursting with the original 18 hole layout, and basically ran out of room. Many of the existing holes just had nowhere for a longer pin to go. As a result, you get the somewhat ridiculous site of pins sitting right next to one another.

The same thing is happening at Pyramids' sister course at Maple Hill: two baskets on each hole. On the positive side for Maple Hill, there's plenty more property to do it on, so there are no side-by-side baskets. But on the downside, there's plenty of property there for two separate 18-hole courses that can provide the same kind of bang for your buck, difficulty-wise. They've already got the 18 baskets and plans for a second set of tees, why not just build a second course if you have the land?

The two-basket-per-hole idea is a great one for public parks where space/resources are a bit more limited. Warwick, NY and now Borderland State Park in Mass. are good examples. But for a private course to do it seems counter-productive, especially a course that is intended to be a profit-yielding business (two separate courses will filter through twice as many people as one course with two baskets per hole). And also counter-productive because the owner has the freedom to cut fairways whereever he desires and design the course to get maximum use of the land without working around other park uses/users, so why not do it?

These are just my opinions on how to get the best out of a course and provide the most enjoyable experience. To me, silly pin placements like the one pictured above somewhat detract from the experience. I'll remember that more than the overall quality of a hole or a course. Either that, or I was just too fond of the original course to embrace the changes/new baskets. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

--Josh

[ck34]

I agree with Josh. Places with restricted availability of public land might be ideal for two baskets per hole like Warwick. Otherwise, it makes less sense if the land is available, especially if it's PFP. The only advantage I can see for both baskets to be near each other is you won't get burned accidentally shooting toward the wrong one like at Warwick. A few old guy mental lapses were noted at Animalfest including my own.

[Moderator005]

The only advantage I can see for both baskets to be near each other is you won't get burned accidentally shooting toward the wrong one like at Warwick. A few old guy mental lapses were noted at Animalfest including my own.



I thought I was getting old at 31 but I must not be yet, since thankfully, I have never, through dozens and dozens of rounds of casual and tournament play at Warwick, shot at the wrong polehole!

:cool::) :p

[Moderator005]

Lack of creativity may be to blame for those pin placements and a few others at Pyramids (see hole 6, right after the one above, where the pins are just 15 feet apart).




http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/courses/holes/pyramids/6_3.jpg

"The pins here are about 15 feet apart. People keep trying to show me other fairways but I’m either too stubborn or too stupid to see them. Another excellent opportunity for a black ace, as Kyle Enman will attest. This slightly downhill shot (246 and 247 feet) requires straight shooting through the tree-lined fairway and then maybe an uphill putt into either basket stuck into the hillside. Should be another deuce, but often isn’t."

The silver polehole is at the end of yellow line in the picture, 15 feet to the right of the yellow polehole, in front of the tree.