Different Midranges in your bag

[atreau3]

Is it nuts to carry more than 2-3 midranges in your bag?

Seems like many people carry different mids in their bag...

Take rocs for example: some carry an 01, 02, 03/04...

i also carry a ce spider for mid turnovers, an 02 roc for go to, and a dx P&A for upshots.

how many is too many?

[WakandaRat]

As long as there is room in the bag, you might as well us it
I carry 4 or 5, some though I use as putters, like the rhyno's

Just put them in your bag and if you dont use them take them out.

Got a
Z MRV
Candy Gremlin
Candy Rhyno
Pro Rhyno

[dannyreeves]

Most good players will have more midrange discs than drivers. I think a lot of mids isn't necessarily bad, but a lot of drivers is. But of course there are always exceptions to the rule.

I have 3 putters, 2 Wasps, 2 Rocs and a Z-Xtreme (this is a midrange, it just looks like a driver :D). All are used quite often and couldn't live without any of them. So, my mids are only 3 molds (Wizard, Roc/Wasp, and Xtreme).

I don't think having a lot of mids are wrong but I can't handle a lot of different molds. IMO, the Comet is a GREAT turnover midrange and I threw it for a while. But, I couldn't switch back and forth between it and the Roc. The Comet has so much more glide that it would go too far, or the Roc wouldn't. Stick to a minimum number of molds and try different variations in the plastic and beat up some. It adds consistancy. :)

[Chris Hysell]

I have never been a big fan of midrange discs. Recently, I started putting a few in my bag. I used to carry drivers and 2 putters. It was always funny to other players but my scores did the talking. Now I carry a Breeze and a D Wasp. I use them on 250ft hyzer shots.

[atreau3]

Makes a lot of sense! Thanks...

I do carry too many drivers that are very close (i.e Valk, Viking, Starfire, Orc, Beast) and am looking to reduce my drivers. The teebird (11x, CE) is my main driver and use other discs for more distance. My semi-beat 11x is the most contollable- consistent disc in my bag. I have started to add more Mids and was wondering if i was heading in a good direction.

As far as molds... i generally keep pretty consistent roc/spider type for mids... aviar/ ss for putters... and teebird/ beast type for drivers.

[circle_2]

I like to tailor my midrange disc to the shot at hand.
2 DX-Rocs, 1 X-Wasp, 1 Champ Shark, 2 Demons (DX & SE), 2 Rhynos (DX & SE), CE Spider, 3 Aviar P&As.
Of these, I use an SE Rhyno or a Demon the most for shorter midrange approaches, and a Roc/Wasp/Shark for > 220'.

[Chris Hysell]

The people who carry a lot of midranges usually are using them for drivers. The round edges are more forgiving than the sharp edges of a driver. You can test that by driving down the road holding discs out of the window. I don't use midrange discs for approaches because (1) I putt anything 150ft and in (2) I usually throw sidearm shots for my approach.

[Chris Hysell]

I guess my course management is a lot different from others. My doubles partner throw aviars for everything. If it's windy, I'll throw a Z-Talon and he'll pull out an aviar. That usually makes me cringe. I usually ask someone in my group why they chose to throw a Roc or some other midrange on a hole when they didn't reach it. They usually have some good reason like they have gotten there with it before.

Everyone has different playing styles and abilities. What works for Kenny might not work for Cam.

[Blarg]

chrishyshell:

I think you are dead right about the pros that carry lots of mid-range discs. I've seen many pros use mid-range discs off the tee on holes under 350.'
I can still park my Valkyrie most of the time on anything under 220,' so I don't carry any mid-ranges.
Why should I?
:p

Here is a reason: they tend to skip less when landing as well as the fact that they are slower. This means that if the disc goes by the basket it won't carry as far. Also they are easier to be accurate with.

[cbdiscpimp]

I carry 4 Different kinds of discs when i play not including 2 trick shot and sticky situation discs. I carry 6 Talons. 6 Z Wasps all diff weights for differnt stability. 4 Z Buzzz'z all 2 178 and 2 176 For Different stability. I also cary 4 Cam Todd Challengers. 2 Max weight for driving and upshots under 280-310. I drive with my Z Wasps and Buzzz's on anything 350 and under sometimes up to 370 if the wind is right :D
I dont throw my drivers unless a hole is like 380 and over. So i carry 10 Mids and 6 Drivers.

[Chris Hysell]

Rocco, going by the basket isn't a problem if you can putt. :DYou are right and I have learned that different discs have different skipping properties. Wildcats skip far and talons skip short distances.

[cbdiscpimp]

talons skip short distances



My Z Talons skip and skid and scoot a MILE

Can i have some of your Talons???

[Chris Hysell]

It's the angle they hit at and the way I throw them. I throw the wildcat low and flat and the talon high with hyzer. This works with both forehands and backhands.

[jefferson]

2 10X rocs (one new, one beat)
'01 roc
classic roc
3 big beads (super beat, putter, driver)
X-challenger

[Chris Hysell]

Yahn, I think you are begging for some Discraft.

[dm4]

2 10X rocs, 1 beat (172), and one newer (max)
Z-buzzz (174)
champion shark (179)
demon (g6i, 174, the one that is not so overstable!)

My favorite is the champion shark. It is overstable hyzered but I can turn it over and it stays turned the whole time. I sometimes putt with it too. What a versitile disc!

[jefferson]

i think one is more than enough

[Chris Hysell]

I hope you don't mind sleeping on the porch.

[jefferson]

i meant to say, "im thinking about switching to discraft, their plastic is much better and more consistent than innova's"

Z-Buzz holds what ever line,
Champ. Cobra soft S or shorter than Buzz,
Prostyle U2 for Turn Overs
Monster spike or Skip Hyzer for mid range

Drivers Monster, Viking, Valk (Turn Over) Old CE Eagle that goes straight but shorter than the Viking/Valk

[primetime]

My mid-range discs are 1, Z-Buzz holds any line it's given. 4-Wasps new or broken in (GLO,D,X) different weights, hook, straight & "S" shots. 4-Aviars, 2-GLO's stiffer for approach shots, and 2-P&A's for 50ft on in for putting. Both in different weights.

PT

[mmaclay]

Mid-rangers:
Z-wasp for hyzers
Z-Buzz for straight shots and it goes a mile
04 CE Roc because it's cool and I like it. 171g very stable and very fast
elite-X challenger for long putts and upshots under 150'
I also putt with a photon challenger.

I like having more drivers personally but many holes on my course are 300' plus with three over 450'. We have some significant elevation change and it gets real windy at times. Since the holes face in all different directions, the wind angle is constantly different.

Drivers:
I use 3-4 beasts 150-175
a z-talon for tommys/thumbers
175g firebird for stall hyzer and forhand dogleg to the right.
I'll aways love throwing my CE Valks when I get a chance and there is no snow to lose them in.
I've also been playing with a couple of orcs for the long distance holes.
I also use QJLS for tight drives over 300 feet.

I've tried using more mid-rangers on all the holes and I think it's making me a better golfer. Drives are going father with drivers and I have better control of my release point. Plus, it's a total ego kick to outdrive someone's Beast with a Roc but that's just the showoff asphole that emerges sometimes. I try to keep him locked up most of the time.

[DiscGolfTool]

I think it really depends on your skill level and what kind of courses you are playing. If you are playing very tight wooded short courses it is problaby very wise to carry a bunch of different middys to drive with. If you are playing a long open course you can problaby get away with just a Roc/Buzz to approach with.
I carry 3 types.
3 - Rocs (1- 2004 Champ, 1- Beat and 1-Newer 10X)
1 MF Sentinel (Long Straight Mid and good for Sidearm)
1 Whippet (Max Weight Champion - great sharp hyser and Sidearm, and for approaches when it is very windy)

Then there are Putters that can be used as MidRange too...KC Avairs and Rhynos..so it really doesnt matter.

I carry a good amount of discs just in case, there is nothing worse then being in a bad spot and wishing you had X disc. Then you confidence is just shot.

However it is also fun to just play with a Roc and know that is the only option you have....

Cheers,
Matt

[jaymo]

Hey if you use the sentinal are you going to try out the new Q plastic. and how does it fly compared to a roc?? - thanks

[jaymo]

Personally I use the Roc as my main mid range, with the rhyno and whippet for more speciality shots. I am also experimenting with using the viking for low ceiling shots with a narrow fairway. I want to get a mid b/w the roc and whippet in stability, but in champ/z plastic....so i think i will try the z-wasp. or the Q-sentinal. does that sound right? I havent thrown either. :confused:

[circle_2]

I believe Gateway is making their Demons in better plastic now...though I prefer their 'DX' version. It's the BEEF!!

[mikeP]

Has anyone here tried the new champion panthers? I was throwing the buzz before I picked up one of these (after a pro in my foursome was tearing up with it in my last tournament) and immediately it fell into place for me. It is similar to the buzz in stability during the initial part of its flight with even less fade. This is a finesse disc and with the right touch will finish slightly left, dead straight, or slightly right. Also, the small diameter equals a more secure landing with less skip and less dramatic kicks off trees. This disc feels great in the hand and holds its line pretty well even when thrown hard. I also throw a champion stingray for backhand and forehand turnover shots, usually to get me out of a weird lie. When I need a little more overstability due to wind conditions or a more pronounced left turn I throw a Z-X2. It gets a bit more distance, but unless you are Scott Stokely it seems to be more of a midrange than a "long range" driver. It is one of the most predictable discs I've thrown. For shorter shots and approaches I throw medium wizards. All these discs weight between 173g-175g.

Right now I have a Z-Breeze, X-Buzz, Z-Buzz, X-Wasp, Z-Wasp, and a Z-Comet. The Breeze is probably going to be removed because it is too flippy. I generally will thrown the Comet, either Buzz or the X-wasp on any hole under 300. Well, provided there isn't a huge wind.

[DiscGolfTool]

I am definately going to try the Q-Sentinel, it should be a little more overstable then the regular one. And it should fly longer then a Roc with a little more fade at the end.
It should fill the void between throwing a driver 70% and overthrowing a Roc.

-Matt

[thetruthxl]

Has anyone here tried the new champion panthers?



How are those panthers now, mikey? It's snowy out, might need to bust them out again to compensate for the loss of velocity from no run-up.

I will have many more mid ranges in a bag than drivers. I find that there is narry a reason to pull one out besides one or two shots per round. If you can throw a roc or buzz 300-350' and put it on the button with minimal skip, essentially eliminating the low speed fade, why risk the trouble?

overstable: champ gator (sweet!) or champ shark or roc
stable: roc or buzz
understable: beat-up roc or breeze....and introducing the coyote.

Keep some putters as well for multi-use drives and up shots.

Good things happen with these mixtures!

[discchucker]

1 - 172g 10x Whippet-X (Overstable & Headwind Midrange)
1 - 177g Z-Wasp (Straight to slightly overstable)
2 - 177+ Pro D Buzzz (Straight and Understable midrange)
1 - 175g Champion Panther (Shots that aren't quite a driver, but more than a midrange)
1 - 175g Z-Breeze (Just trying it out, got an ace with it the other day)

[gokayaksteven]

champ and dx gators--stable to overstable mids [dx for windy putts]
champ and dx spiders--understable to stable mids [putt with the dx]

these 2 molds feel the same and cover me putting up to 300 or so. beyond that it is the champ leopard, avenger, and predator.

[atxdiscgolfer]

I keep it simple -10X KC Rocs-straight to under and DX Flat-Top Rocs- overstable to stable

[AviarX]

1 - Champ Coyote (straight, long annies, long hyzers)
1 - Aurora MS (forehand approach hyzer-flip straight backhands)
1 - Pro Classic Roc high speed straight with preditable low speed over-stability (scoots left)
1 - Champ Stingray (long hyzer flip to anyzer shots)
1 - DX Stingray (slow speed anhyzer shots that need to finish right)
2 - JK Aviar-X (straight approaches, shorter drives 310 ft or less, high shots)

used to carry the QMS (candy version of the Aurora MS) and the Z Comet but the Coyote is the disc that may replace most of the other molds. The problem with the Z Comet was first you could only get them from Ron Russell (i loved those blue sparkle ones) and then the run they did do was limited production. The Coyote has the glide i like and it is extremely versatile for me (hyzer or straight or anhyzer). i still like the MS for forehand approach shots because of the grippiness, although i use JK Aviars for forehand approaches too.

[dannyreeves]

Z-Wasp (flat top and overstable as hell)
Z-Buzz (straight)
Comet (different kind of straight shots)
Comet (beat up for nice anhyzers)
Glide (any 300-350 shot)

[AviarX]

has Kid Roc become Kid Buzzz, Kid Comet, or Kid Wasp?

[Greatzky2]

1st Run Z-buzzz
Cryztal Z-buzzz

Covers the whole spectrum.
Putters: Classic and JK Aviar
Drivers.. 11x Teebirds(soon Star!) and Firebird

-Scott Lewis

[dannyreeves]

has Kid Roc become Kid Buzzz, Kid Comet, or Kid Wasp?



Yeeaaaaa.....no. I don't like the new Rocs. I got to the point where I was only throwing a Roc that cost me at least $20 to replace. All the new stuff is doing great for me.

I did want to change my screen name but alas, we can't do that anymore either.

[veganray]

Understable: beat 167g DX Gremlin
Laser-straight: newish 170g DX Gremlin
Overstable: 170g Proline Gremlin
Ridiculously overstable: 156g gummy X-out Champion Whippet-x

[Furthur]

I seem to have similar mids to Kid_Roc, possibly because of the suggestions he made to one of my good freinds. After I saw how well the comet and wasp flew, they've made it into my bag.

177 Z Wasp (overstable)
177 Z Buzzz (stable)
177 Z Comet (stable to understable, depending on how much arm I put into it)
I've also got a glide in my bag, but I don't really consider it a midrange. I throw it everywhere I used to throw my leopard except for rolling.

[cbdiscpimp]

178 Z Wasp~~Overstable
178 1st Run Z BUZZZ~~Stable
174 1st Run Z BUZZZ~~Slightly Understable
177 Slightly Beat D BUZZZ~~Understable
177 Beat D BUZZZ~~Flippy as !@#$

Then I carry 5 Challengers that have about the same stabilitys as the Mids

I will be trying the Banger out as soon as its not FREEZING here anymore :mad:

[gdstour]

The definition of mid-range really depends on how far a player can throw!
For me mid-range is 250-350, I have a bit more power than most! and can usually use my 2 medium Wizards, As long as I have the height I can use them up to 350'for just about anything reverse straight or hyzer.
2 s blazes 1 slighly beat 1 new ( They rarely get effected by the wind) the range for me with the Blaze is 200 400 and very accurate. They never do anything other than what YOU do with them!
The Hybrid is getting a bit more action lately as a midrange as it can be thrown low and still get plenty of glide. The hybrid can also handle a long slow hyzer all the way, again barely getting effected by the wind.
You need some power to use the Hybrid as a tee bird type driver, but its there if you want it.
I use a Sabre for lots of 60% power mid-range type shots that need to stay low and still carry.

I see lots of local players and know of others using the Elements and Element-x's for the 150-300 range shots and I'm amazed at how acurate theese 2 discs are every time I see the flight, but I havent had much of a chance to work them into my game.

[slo]

"The definition of mid-range really depends on how far a player can throw!"
I disagree; it's relative, for any given player....the distances are meaningless.

[Parkntwoputt]

178g Z-Wasp - Overstable
178g Z-Wasp - Beat up for flex shots
178g Z-Buzzz - Straight with fading finish
178g Z-Buzzz - Beat up for straight finish
172g Z-Buzzz - Beat to death for turnover shots
174g C-Gator - Spike hyzer approaches

I also carry three challengers, which I will use on anything inside 200ft changing plastic depending the landing terrain or desired stability.

As far as distance for midranges that is all relative to the player. Some people may only carry 1 midrange disc, some may carry 5 or more. What I think happens is that you carry more discs for distances between 250-400ft. This is the majority of lengths of holes. Depending on the strength and skill of the player. They may throw drivers/mids/or putters on these shots. While I can throw my Buzzz's 375 and Wasps 390 (negating wind and elevation) so the majority of my discs fall in the categories between fairway drivers and midranges.

Truly it does not matter what # of what type of discs you carry, could be more mids, more drivers, more putters. What works for you may not work for anybody else. And just because a few pros are doing it, does not guarrentee that it is the way to go. Chris Herren throws mostly drivers, but that does not mean that everyone else should too. I mean Ron Russel putts backwards. Learn from pros, but develop you own style.

But if I only was allowed to carry one disc. It would be a beat up mid range at Max weight. Buzzz/Roc/Wasp/Element, a beat up mid range is THE most versitile disc you can own.

180 Pro Line Shark for straight sniper shots
175 San Marino DX Aviar for everything else

[tbender]

I probably posted this upthread a-ways...

175 Champion Panther - For righty holes.
175 CE Spider (2) - Straight shots, trick shots.
179 X-out KC Roc - Longer straight-to-hyzer shots.
175 Champion Whippet - Hyzer and skip shots.

Plus
CryZtal Challenger - Driving putter/wedge
UV Soft Challenger (2) - Straight-to-anhyzer approach / wind putting
Soft Challenger - Putting only

[atreau3]

174 Beat S Element- Flippy up to 300
180 S Element- Stable up to 300
177 Z Buzzz- Stable to overstable 250-300
175 Soft Wizard- Stable to 250
174 APX Swirl- Flippy to stable up to 225

I use the putters as much as possible!

[colin-evans]

1 Z-Wasp overstable
1 X Wasp Stable
1 1 KC Roc Stable
1 E-Element long straight to annies
1 Beat KC Roc

The Wasps and Rocs seem Interchangable I could easily just throw all wasps or Rocs

ce

[ANHYZER]

1 178g Z Buzzz
1 175g D Drone
1 175g Hard Challenger

[junnila]

1 174 Z Xtreme
1 177 Z Wasp
2 177 Z Buzzz (first runs), one beat, one new
2 177 D Buzzz (early runs), one beat, one super beat

and on occasion a max weight D Drone for those windy rounds...

[thetruthxl]

180 Pro Line Shark for straight sniper shots




I've been wondering about those pro sharks...had no progress reports on them yet. Care to elaborate on the flight tendencies?

The champion shark is such a tank, I used to call mine NASCAR b/c all it would do is turn left.

[esalazar]

05 sb roc
dx rancho roc
beat sanny roc
beat ms aurora

[scoop]

175 g Glide --- my new favorite mid-range disc. Understable: holds a great anhyser line, better distance than my Buzz or Wasp, great for shorter, controlled shots, too.

175 g Crystal Z Buzzz --- stable and straight, when I need to throw a disc between 225-260' on a straight line. Good hyzer disc, too.

175 g Q-Sentinel --- much more stable mid-range than the Buzz and more predictable (for me). Not as long distance as the Glide or Buzz though.

[LouMoreno]

Aurora MS
Pro Line Spider
Z Buzzz
Q Sentinel (I'll play a few more rounds with it but right now I'm thinking about going back to the Z Wasp.)

[klemrock]

Ching Sniper (HA!-LMAO)

Aviar P&A is all the approach I need.

[twoputtok]

CE Spider
SB Roc

[veganray]

Ching Sniper (HA!-LMAO)

Aviar P&A is all the approach I need.



Not funny. Between driver & Aviar range (230-310 for me), the Gremlin (aka Ching Sniper) is the shizzle! :D

[j_d]

1 first run Z-BUZZ -- all-purpose but mainly straight/hyzer
1 seasoned 1st run Rhyno -- straight/turnover
1 newer but older style plastic Rhyno straight/hyzer
1 new Stratus -- sometimes carry a seasoned one also for slow speed short sidearm/backhand turnovers in the woods
occasionally a z-wasp if windy and hyzers are needed

I'm trying out z-breeze + z-comet as a possible replacement for the new stratus

I'm trying to lighten my bag, go as simple as possible yet feel I have a disc for most every occasion

[DSproAVIAR]

1 new 11x KC Roc overstable
1 new DX Roc straight/overstable
1 seasoned glo Roc straight/understable
1 beat 9x KC Roc understable

[fulcan]

Beat 10X Roc, understable.
Newer 10X Roc, straight.
SB Roc, long straight flyer.
Newer Super Roc, overstable Hyzers (might replace with Champ Roc)
beat to heck Stratus, rollers or easy anhyzers.
Coyote (trying it out, might replace the straight 10X, really liking it).

[Greatzky2]

The proline Gremlin is the Shizzle for sure.
I used to throw them.
I even have a 175 Unthrown PROLINE left! :)
pm me offers vegan..

-Scott Lewis
p.s. Dave is supposed to be re-running them in star or champion, but with the release of star line he had to push it way back.

[veganray]

Greatzky,
I'm sure you'll get a sweet offer for a new Proline Gremi, but I have 24 Prolines & 43 DXs in boxes all unthrown & waiting for me to overbeat/lose the 1 Proline & 2 DXs in my bag!

I'd be quite excited to try a STAR Gremlin. Hope it happens eventually . . .

[Greatzky2]

they should be close to the original proline gremlins as they were way more grippy than the regular pro(champion) plastic at the time.. that would be sweet though if he does finally come out with them :)

-Scott Lewis

[gdstour]

"The definition of mid-range really depends on how far a player can throw!"
I disagree; it's relative, for any given player....the distances are meaningless.


Is there more to this response?
on a 300 foot hole some players are using putters some mid-ranges and some drivers.

Maybe the topic should ask "what distance to you consider mid-range and what discs do you use for those type of shots" :confused:

[m_conners]

Gateway,

This is true, everybodys "midrange" game is different...personally I keep a bottom stamped DX Rancho Roc, a 10x Roc and a Element "S" in my bag.

[Lyle O Ross]

Champ Cobra... 100 ft to 300 it does it all! Can you say Utility Disc?

The equivalent from DC is the Buzz (the Storm is close but fades a little more at the end and is longer).

[thenatureboy68]

In my bag..

10x KC Roc - Main Midrange
11x KC Roc - Straight
CE Shark - Long Anhyzer
CH Coyote - Still testing..

[dannyreeves]

Champ Cobra... 100 ft to 300 it does it all! Can you say Utility Disc?

The equivalent from DC is the Buzz (the Storm is close but fades a little more at the end and is longer).



Buzzz and Cobra have similar stabilities but the Cobra is a little shallower and faster.

I was never a fan of the Cobra. It seemed too fast and not as controllable as a Roc. Just my experience with it.

[Lyle O Ross]

Champ Cobra... 100 ft to 300 it does it all! Can you say Utility Disc?

The equivalent from DC is the Buzz (the Storm is close but fades a little more at the end and is longer).



Buzzz and Cobra have similar stabilities but the Cobra is a little shallower and faster.

I was never a fan of the Cobra. It seemed too fast and not as controllable as a Roc. Just my experience with it.



Interesting, the Cobra works really well for me. I was never willing to pay extra for CE Rocs and the DX stuff is to mushy (dingable). I can throw the Cobra on a line almost as far as the slower speed drivers yet it doesn't fade for me on short ups. I can flick it 250 feet on a line. For me it is very controllable. I'm so used to it now it doesn't seem fast (it certainly is slower than the Storm). The Buzz flies at the same speed for me.

[jaxx]

I use these midranges:
11x roc straight to stable finish
dx roc hyzer to flip up straight
ching roc anhyzers
champ shark for hyzers

I generally use putters for shots under 275' unless there is a low ceiling or I just feel more comfortable throwing a roc (like at winthrop hole 17 cause i just throw it easy and it will hyzer back)