Doubles Rules- California

california/ hans/solo whatever you call it. But you are the odd man out in a random doubles draw, we all agree that you get an extra shot per hole, but what about a par 4 or 5?

I played doubles in asheville nc at richmond hill par 58 (two 4's and a 5)last tuesday and this came up on the par 5 that is bogied even double bogied every week by some pairs. Should there not be some consession for this situation? Is there one that i dont know about?

let me know deal/how you feel,

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[topdog]

Hole 7 at ashville has to be one of the worst hole I have ever played.

Thats tough.....Cali woudl be a a distinct disadvantage on some long and or ugly(beautiful) holes.....

:p

honestly, i really love that hole minus the shady tee pad, especially the second corridor! putter over the bridge, driver (eagle) down the chute, put in for your three(yeah right) . knowing that you have only one mistake to make against a whole field of doulbes pairs is a little intimidating...

where are the doulbes rule jockeys

where is rhett from socal when you need him

[bruce_brakel]

It is not a matter of rules so much as it is a matter of fairness. The purpose of the California rule for the odd man is to allow the odd man to play and be competitive. Usually the California rule makes the odd man competitive. On short or easy courses, a good odd man might have the advantage.

One solution would be to play test the hole several times to see what the odd man actually shoots with only one extra shot compared to other teams. If you keep league score cards you could look through them.

Another solution is to have the players who want to play California flip for the right, and then none of them have anything to moan about. If no one wants to play California that might suggest that that hole or others needs a different rule.

A local rule that we use is that the odd man has the option of buying a full partnership. That's right, for an extra $5, you get two drives AND two putts on every hole.

Easy money if you're a decent player, sucks if you're a newbie.

[exczar]

A local rule that we use is that the odd man has the option of buying a full partnership. That's right, for an extra $5, you get two drives AND two putts on every hole.

Easy money if you're a decent player, sucks if you're a newbie.



Close. Here in TX, if you are the odd man (or "Joker" - locals know where that name comes from), you can:

1) Get one extra throw per hole, or

2) Pay an additional entry fee (Jim assumed it was $5, I think), and you get to play like 2 people. He said you get an additional drive and putt, which is true, but you actually get 2 throws from every lie, so you are your own partner (and sometimes Jokers get bad partners /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif), or

3) In some situations, and this must be discussed before the teams are assigned, the Joker gets the option of opting out of the comp and getting his/her money back.

[neonnoodle]

We have the same 3 rules at our Tues Random Draw Doubles at Sedgley Woods, only when you opt out you don't get your money back. :o

"What?! Yuz want yo money back?! Boo hoo, boo hoo hoo. Ahhh, quit your whinin' and play! If $10 is going to sink you then you should skipped it all together! This is for FUN dude!"

Did I get it about right Paul or Phil?

Ah, the warmth of Southwest Philly....

Oh yeah. The other option I've seen is that everyone who does not want to be Odd man, can pony up an extra dollar as insurance before the teams are drawn. If one of the guys that buys insurance ends up as the odd man, he gets the cash, otherwise it's added to the purse.

Back when i played disc golf, in TEMPERANCE, MICHIGAN we did it like this...
If you are the odd-guy or gal, you can pay double and get double shots. Other wise, you were automatically assured 1 extra throw per hole. We believed this was the ONLY FAIR way to do it. NO MATTER how good the odd-man was, it was still the fairest! I mean every other team got 2 throws per lie, why shouldn't the odd man? So by GIVING HIM/HER the option, NOBODY can whine. gopherbroke

[scottsearles]

Oh yeah. The other option I've seen is that everyone who does not want to be Odd man, can pony up an extra dollar as insurance before the teams are drawn. If one of the guys that buys insurance ends up as the odd man, he gets the cash, otherwise it's added to the purse.

:cool:

That is a cool option i've never heard of. :cool:

But does he still get to play with a redraw or does he TAKE the INS. and go SOLO?

He takes the insurance, and plays regular odd man. One extra throw per hole. Ideally, it's someone who doesn't have much chance to cash when playing solo, so he essentially gets his money back, and plays for free...

[scottsearles]

:cool:That is a GREAT IDEA :cool:

[cdamon]

An important point people overlook about the odd man is that if you win, you win double what any other winning player would have gotten. So it should be tougher. Back in my heyday, I always hoped to be the odd man.

-Conrad

[okcacehole]

Whatever the entry is he doubles it and plays cali rules or play singles...depending on the player..maybe a little 2 and 2 all the way

[Jake L]

At our Sunday doubles in High Point, we TRY to keep it fair by judging the skill of the player who is Cali, if a newbie gets Cali, He/she gets 2 shots on everything. If its one of the players who gets discs every week, one shot per hole. We tried to do a Pro-am doubles for a while, Pro #s in one hat, Am #s in another, then draw one number from each, this ended b/c there is not always an even number of Pro and newbie, if a PDGA tourney was close by, all the good players from our course went there. Just my 0.02$

[sandalman]

a player who ends up cali and is decent compared to the rest ofthe field, and who is allowed to buy into playing as his own partner can be at a distinct advantage. who wouldnt love to be their own wind dummy? same person throwing twice is better than two different people throwing once each.