Getting the Maxim Talk going on the PDGA Topics Thread

Alright folks, here's what Tafe posted on the Misc. Thread about the Feb. Maxim mag. I think maybe since this is an image and sport bashing issue, it could probably be here (with apologies to Tafe). If the Red Rock 'O Shame thread is in here, this should qualify. :)

Sportsloop hasn't done an awful lot to earn their keep, in my eyes (and let's face it, everyone keeps telling me that "I" am the PDGA) so let's have their legal dept. give a call to the jerks over at Maxim, and their legal dept.

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Hey all, I was just shown the February 2004 copy of Maxim magazine, and this crap we don't need. I quote from the column entitled "half to half-assed"
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FROLF
Origin: This *** marriage of frisbee and golf attracted dozens of California potheads when it was invented in the Seventies. Hey, not everyone can make the football team.
Verdict: It'd be a great way to pass the time stoned if it weren't for the need to move."


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This is exactly the type of crap that gives people pre-conceived notions about a sport they know nothing about. I don't want to start another thread about drug use. What I do want is for those concerned to boycott the magazine, and tell your friends! To put an end to these notions, we have to stop those who hold and spout their messed-up viewpoints. Let them know it is not appreciated! If you wish, e-mail them like I did from this site http://www.maximonline.com/talk/ Thanks for listening.

[james_mccaine]

I won't have any trouble boycotting this rag, unless of course they say some nasty things about the cowboys. :p

lmao!

seriously though guys, you're not gonna get american males to boycott a rag with a cover every month of a barely clad super model and promising to tell all. at least not in numbers enough to make it effective.

but if someone at the top of the governing body of our game doesn't have something to say to these pricks about their damaging comments, we need to reexamine our voices.

Boycott Maxim.......but then I won't have anything to wipe my ***** with. Seriously though, I think I flipped through one of their magazines about 3 years ago and realized how stupid it was and how I could have smoked crack and lost less brain cells.

well, nobody said it was a rag worth taking seriously, but having a nationally distributed piece of crap like that taking such a thoughtless and wholly inaccurate shot at the sport can't go unanswered. even though its true that the t 'n a numbnuts that run it probably wouldn't understand our response in the first place.

[cbdiscpimp]

excuse my french BUT [*****] THAT *********. That is the exact reason our sport gets no recognition and no support because everyone thinks ALL disc golfers are pot smoking wastoids which is a crock of ***** they just think its a dumb sport because NONE of them would ever be able to be good at it. If its such a dumb sport then so IS ball golf but they use sticks and balls to play instead of DISCS.

Although maxim is a great MAG the guys who write it and who said that CAN SUCK A F#UCKING DICK. And if i ever run into one of them i will tomahawk a disc in their face :D

[*****] THE MAXIM WRITERS BUT BRING ON THE MORE THEN HALF NAKED CHICKS :D

could it be that an actual maxim reader wasn't fairly represented by a product that claims to cater to "men's lifestyles?" maybe their r&d dept. made them look stupid here to their own readers as well as uninformed.

imagine that.

[james_mccaine]

I'm not sure how to express this, but basically I think too much is made of these things. As a sport, we are what we are and we shouldn't worry so much about other's perceptions. Over time, this sport will be seen for what it is. Just continue to build a professional organization consisting of responsible people.

Besides, I get kind of irritated with every group in our society getting all aggrieved and offended by basically meaningless stuff. It's a sign of weakness. Just let it go.

Sticks and stones..........

to a large degree james, i agree with you (don't get carried away, i won't let it happen too often).

however, even for those who don't think a thing like this is as egregious as do i and will others who read it, not taking this opportunity to call out a nationally distrubuted rag for printing something like that is at the very least, an opportunity lost.

I don't think thats meaningless stuff james. i do agree with you on the point of society getting riled about nothing, but that little artical will be seen by a lot of people who will then go by that alone and be turned off to playing disc golf.

[james_mccaine]

Yea, maybe let em know that we have matured as a sport, but please don't beg for respect.

[scoop]

taking such a thoughtless and wholly inaccurate shot at the sport can't go unanswered



In the nine years and thousands of rounds that I've been playing disc golf...I can probably count the number of times that I've been to a disc golf course and didn't witness drug use on one hand. 99.99% of every round I've ever played, I've personally witnessed disc golfers smoking dope on the course or in the parking lot.

Casual rounds at Moffitt Park in Houston? There's more blunts than mosquitos (and if you've played Moffitt, you know how thick the mosquitos can be).

Hell, I even watched more than one car load of players toking away between rounds during an A-tier event last weekend.

Wholly inaccurate image? Who are you trying to kid?

Does every disc golfer smoke dope during/after/before rounds? Of course not. But a whole bunch of them do. To espouse otherwise is to delude yourself.

well, i wasn't just gonna write 'em and say "please don't tease us about pot smoking, pleeeeease?" :)

no begging here is needed, but a thing like that with their distribution, however mindless the majority of the content, can be construed as harmful to the sports image. a well drafted letter from the governing body of our sport and maybe some more from corporate sponsors and some marketing firm that got a bunch of our cash, outlining the "maturity" of the game you speak of, would be appropriate.

of course, so would a swift kick in the nuts to the writer, but i don't guess you'd consider that mature, huh? :)

[ck34]

Get a grip folks. I'm not sure there's anything written that's blatantly untrue about our origins. Some of those "hippies" are still playing in Cali today. And, I suspect some might have gotten PDGA numbers. The phrasing could surely be more positive. But you're getting more upset over what it seems to imply, but apparently doesn't explicitly state, about the game today. It appears it was parody, not news piece, as if Maxim does any "hard" news that's not lockerroom humor.

For all we know, ball golf was originally founded by drunken shepherds whacking rocks into gopher holes for entertainment (when they weren't doing other things). But if that were written in Maxim... wait, they would never say that so they wouldn't lose golf advertisers. Any disc golf ads in Maxim?

Perhaps instead of asking for a retraction, we should suggest they consider a future cover showcasing one of our athletic disc golf women (who would be willing). That could do more to turn around their particular audience on how far we've come from our origins than anything else.

whoa there rooster, maybe you should look a little more closely at who my comments were aimed at. i'm all too aware of our sport's image problems and the past, present and future reasons for their existance.

my point was that representing this as a sport only fun for stoners and enjoyed by dozens of cali potheads (not verbatim, but pretty close) was, wholly inaccurate.

btw, i'm on your side. or maybe you never read any of my rants on the topic. :)

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[ck34]

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[cbdiscpimp]

Thats the thing. As long as people are still smoking pot and getting wasted at our PDGA EVENTS that brings a bad image and a bad name to the sport. If you want to go rip a bowl on the lunch break go for it but dont sit in the parking lot and toke away where everyone can see. And if you want to drink be my guest just dont do it while you are playin in a Sanctioned even which now by the way you automatically get DQ if you are drinkin during a round.

You also see alot of CASUAL golfers smoking pot while they are playing during CASUAL rounds which happens in BALL GOLF as well. Its just the fact that people continue to do these things during sanctioned and organized event which if this sport is going where i think it should be that has to stop.

I have no problem with potsmokers or Stoners i just think there is a time and place. CASUAL golf can be that time and place i just think it shouldnt be during tournament play.

[rhett]

Start making the call at tourneys you play, cbdiscpimp. That's where it has to start, at the "grass roots", so to speak.

Talk is cheap. Action is difficult. I will always back-up the person who has the guts to make the call.

[jzumwalt]

I have subscribed to their magazine for the last two years and for the most part really enjoyed it but that article really ticked me off and it should tick off every disc golfer. I emailed them a long letter letting them know how I feel and would encourage anyone else that loves the sport of disc golf to do the same. I feel like they need to hear from the real players of disc golf and from the PDGA itself. Let them know what a legitimate sport it is. I hope they get thousands of emails. I want them to write an article about disc golf with FACTS about the game. Making fun of our game in a national magazine that goes out to millions of young and old mostly male readers doesn't set well with me. The only bright side to this is it is such a small little piece in that mag that alot of people might not even notice it to read it in their hasten to get to the girlie pics. I didn't even notice it until Tafe brought it up on here but I DID subscribe to it for the articles. ;) I have really always liked this mag for its humor/sexy chicks/interesting articles but that FROLF article was uncalled for. (IMO) And by the way I made the football team and was pretty **** good in my time. :cool:

great spin on the issue - encourage Maxim to do a positive article about disc golf.

[hvnafit]

i have the perfect female for the cover........... "GIRLIE" would you please step up to the plate?

[Chris Hysell]

Now that's typical, someone starts a positive thread about improving the public's perception of disc golf and some idiot starts drooling over some girl he has the hots for. Jimmy, I have her phone # if you need to call her.

When I first read the other thread about Maxim, I went straight to their feedback page and started to write a nasty letter. While I was proofreading it, I decided it was the wrong way to get my point across. We need to work together to make something positive come out of this.

You guys,
IT"S COMEDY!!!! Who cares what the guys at Maxim Magazine think. They wer'e simply having fun, & trying to sell magazines. You guys can waste time writing all the nasty letters you want, but the fact is who cares? Try not to worry so much about what other people are saying and focus more on Disc Golf. I have subscribed to MAXIM for a while & am not about to quit because they think Disc Golf is ***. I think soccer is ***, but millions of others do not.
Disc Golf is one of the fastest growing sports in America! The numbers all point to that.
My co-worker pointed out the Article & I had to laugh.
Did anyone mention they also said it would be a cool sport if it didn't require you to move. COMEDY PEOPLE!
"if you can't laugh at yourself, you can't laugh"

The reason DG has this bad rap is because of idiotic posts like yours. P.S. I is capitalized when talking about yourself.

[cbdiscpimp]

The reason DG has this bad rap is because of idiotic posts like yours. P.S. I is capitalized when talking about yourself.



The reason DG has a bad rap is because [*****]holes like you care more about spelling and punctuation then you do about the heart and soul or our sport. How bout you stop being a [*****]hole and start doing something productive for a change. The only time i ever see you post is to be a D!(KHEAD. Stop wasting my time. :mad:

I`m trying to do something positive for our sport by pointing out your half-assed profanity is not helping our cause. :o

[tafe]

Whether it was comedy or not (I really don't think so) doesn't matter. AS I STATED, this gives people pre-conceived notions. An example is that I went to a local sports dome to see if i could get some time to practice driving. After talking to the guy he says that there is NO WAY for DISC GOLF he is going to come in early. But he does for other sports. Does he read Maxim? Chances are good that he does. Why and how did he have the concept that Disc Golf is not a "real" sport? GEE, I WONDER. I'm not saying that the mag is responsible for all our problems in public, But what can it possibly help? If you want to keep subscribing because you need your nipple tease fix or want to read about getting puking drunk, fine do what you want. They won't be getting ANY of my money ever. BTW, I just didn't think it was a "PDGA-related" topic.

[tafe]

BTW, I definitely do NOT advocate legal action. There's enough of that crap as it is in this country. Use the expression "Think globally, act locally." I can only take responsibility for my actions and for where my dollars go. This is NOT normal for me. But I take comments about disc golf personally, don't you?

As some have already stated, Disc Golf's problem isn't that articles like this are being published. The problem is the jokers who come to tournaments, sanctioned or not, and smoke in plain view of strangers.
I would like to see the PDGA, its members (including me), and TDs enforce the drug use policy better in sanctioned events. That is what gives our sport a bad reputation.

And in response to the football comment, I was a varsity letterman my freshman year and a 2-way starter by my Sophomore year.
I am also a high school football coach.
I enjoy breaking stereotypes :D

[schick]

Unfortunately people are getting these preconceived ideas from somewhere. Wonder where, pretty obvious isn't it. :confused: The article does irritate me as well, but I think if a positive article could be followed up, that would be the way to do it. Until smokers start to think about their actions, we could have a problem for a while.....

[cbdiscpimp]

I`m trying to do something positive for our sport by pointing out your half-assed profanity is not helping our cause.


How does you being an ACEHOLE help out our sport??? :confused:

90% of your posts are [*****]hole comments that dont have any basis except the fact that you like being a D!CKHEAD. Do something other then be a jerk to people for no reason and try and help our sport out.

If you have anything usefull to say im willing to listen but so far you havent had anything original or worthwhile to say. :o

for a roller queen, that chuck guy is fairly intuitive. :)

however, you were doing well until you got to the ball golf analogy (not the shepherds part, that was funny). Are you saying that its only okay for a rag like that to bash our sport because we don't send the ad dollars? that's a bit weak, dontcha think?

as far as our origins and how accurate that take is, we all know that. still, there's nothing wrong with wanting to shake off an image that no longer represents what is important to us, and there's no amount of heritage reminiscing that can convince me otherwise. hey, i remember the 70's, i was there, they were fun. we grow. wouldn't you be upset if someone saw you for who you were instead of who you are?

something to think about.

[MarkN]

Okay here is my two cents. Why is it that it is a penny for your thoughts, but you put in your two cents? So you may think this is twice what was asked for but here it goes.

Coming from a narcissistic childhood I can tell you that if you were relaxing or having fun when you got older then you would be seen as being a worthless bum. Thankfully I was able to influence this belief with my father who I got interested in ball golf and now disc golf. People have limited views at times in life so that they can condone their own beliefs and feel better about themselves.

Do some research on any sport and you will find some amazing things.

Unconfirmed we play 18 holes of golf because that is how many shots it takes to finish a fifth of scotch. It was documented in 1373 that a match similar to the Dutch game was played in Scotland, across-country with teams of four. Using a wooden ball, the target was the door of a selected building on the route. I don’t know about you but if someone kept hitting my door with a ball I would not like it and if I were more righteous I would probably proclaim those individuals to be worthless bums.

In the 15th century several Acts of Parliament banned football and golf - although that did not stop the Stewart kings enjoying their games.
The earliest incarnations of football in England were scenes of mass disorder involving hundreds of people. Street football or 'mob football' evolved from a more ancient and bloody ritual called the Dane's Head, where the head of a Danish soldier slain in battle was kicked from one village to another.

“Damn those football players, Their just a bunch of drunken mobsters” and “Oh yeah I have never seen a drunken ball golfer throw a club, or run away from the scene of golf ball hitting a house and breaking a window” “They are such juvenile delinquents”


In 1314, Edward II directed a law against "rageries de grosses pelotes", the hustlings over large balls. Edward III tried to ban football in 1365 for its tendency to impede the learning of archery, a practice beneficial to the defence of the realm. In France attempts were made to ban the sport, by Phillippe V in 1319 and Charles V in 1369. King James I of Scotland decreed in 1424 "that na manplay at the fute-ball, uder the paine of fiftie shillings."

There is a lot of history in this world and innovators have always been seen as being oddities. Don’t get me wrong with all of this. I do not condone smoking pot on the course, nor do I smoke it at all. However many of my best friends smoke which is fine with me and are very successful people. I do however drink, rarley on the course and never during a tournament, but I tend to be a bit more serious and find the effects of alcohol diminish my ability to play. But everyone is not like me and that’s a good thing.

What I am saying here is that the history will prove Disc golf to be a lasting and enjoyable sport. We need to promote disc golf to the best of our abilities and be cognizant of what people think of it in its infancy. This being said the Maxim writer should be told of his limited scope and views but in a positive way. People, who are told that they are wrong or that they are idiots and their actions will cause a banning of a magazine, generally jump to the defense.

Pre-conceived notions are a common thing for most everything. Efforts need to be placed on educating those with open minds and those who pursue the challenges of experiencing life to its fullest.

It takes more effort to yell and scream at something than it does to resolve it.

[rhett]

The reason DG has this bad rap is ...



If you pay attention at the next sanctioned tournament you play, you will most likely see that this is not a "bad rap". Unfortunately it is still a reality at most tournaments and certainly at most courses most of the time. The last thing we need right now is more press coverage or else this perception will only be validated.

Sometimes the truth hurts.

[hawkgammon]

Considering Maxim's comedic editorial style, writing back to them will at best result in something like this. One of the letters gets published followed by an Editors Note saying, "Thanks for the letter, can you pass the blunt now please?" On the plus side it is unlikely that any DG $ponsor will see this little box as they flip to the latest Tara Reid layout, and on the negative side, I would have to agree with Rooster's and others comments about what actually goes on out there. You can't be all that offended at something that was intended to be funny, and has a fair amount of truth to it.

Unfortunately it is still a reality at most tournaments and certainly at most courses most of the time.



man, i swear, you guys and your "mosts." get outta cali (or moffit in your case rooster) and realize that y'all are not seeing the big picture. you're seeing a localized and regionalized version of it. sheesh.

okay, i know you're right about the reasons for the image thing. probably a good 2000 of my 3700+ posts over the last few years have been on this topic and the need to change the things that cause the problem. but, you guys are killing me with your absolutes and your impressions of how it is all over the dg scene. it ain't. there are places where that's not an issue (or at least to the degree you think), whether you see it or not.

accentuate the positive and be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

you should know all this rhett.

[rhett]

It's getting better, Mark. But we ain't there yet. Speaking of "getting out of Cali", do you venture out of South Texas much? :)

I am now going to cut the detailed account of my travels from this public post and send them to Mark via PM, since there isn't much to be gained by airing my impressions of various parts fo the country here. But suffice it to say that, yes I have "gotten out of Cali" and stand by my wording of "most".

Speaking of "getting out of Cali", do you venture out of South Texas much? :)




LMAO!!! ;)

[cbdiscpimp]

All you pot smokers out there that play tournaments can smoke as much pot as you want. Just please take a drive during break or smoke on your way to the tournament. Dont smoke on the course or in the parking lot of the tournament you are playing. It makes us look bad whether you think so or not. I personally know people in just about EVERY sport who get high before they play the sport. Basketball Tennis Golf Disc Golf Roller Hockey Vollerball Swimming Diving Skateboarding Snowboarding Agressive Inline Skating Ice Hockey Gymnastics Cheerleading Dancers Soccer Players Football Players Track Runners and those are just the sports where I PERSONALLY KNOW PEOPLE THAT DO IT. Some of those people its helps them compete better. The difference is you dont see them smoking pot in the parking lot between rounds or smoking pot in the pool or on the court or field or wherever they compete at or on. They know when are where to do it so it doesnt effect their sport. ALL those sports i just mentions have Proffesionals that do that sport for a living. None of them are crouded or held down by a stereo type that they are all pot smokers, but you know what a good amount of them are pot smokers they just keep it private where it should be.

Rhett is right we cant have publicity and huge sponsors and what not till we clean up our act and our Presentable enough to gaing respect. I just wish that we could all come together and better this sport.

SMOKE ALL THE POT YOU WANT JUST NOT AT OR ON THE COURSE DURING TOURNAMENT PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

MAXIM RULES!!!!!!

(with the exceptin of that ******* article)

:o

Maybe a new thread or "Clan" should be started...
"The Upright DGers... Putting a stop to illeagle activity at a course near you!"
:D

Geez, you guys might just be the biggest bunch of whining dillholes on the freakin' planet.

It was a joke! Get over it, turn the page, and move on. Boycott a magazine over that? Maybe you all should write your congressman and complain that Maxim's 'slanderous' article (which wasn't even an article to begin with) is the cause of everything evil in the world today. That would be good.

Of all people, I would think more DGers would have either a sense of humor, or the common sense to let something like that slide.

Lighten up already, life is too short and has too many REAL concerns to worry about stuff like that.

[jzumwalt]

MAXIM RULES!!!!!!

(with the exceptin of that ******* article)

:o



Maxim is an entertaining magazine but that "*******" article will keep them from getting anymore of my money. I know that will really break them. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Unless of course they run a informative article in an upcoming issue about how disc golf is really a REAL sport played by all kinds even current and ex-football players and straight people. :D

[cbdiscpimp]

Geez, you guys might just be the biggest bunch of whining dillholes on the freakin' planet.

It was a joke! Get over it, turn the page, and move on. Boycott a magazine over that? Maybe you all should write your congressman and complain that Maxim's 'slanderous' article (which wasn't even an article to begin with) is the cause of everything evil in the world today. That would be good.



How would you feel if your local newspaper printed a comment that flag football is just a *** marriage or tag and football and all the people who play it a just loser sissys that cant hack real football.

Have some heart and defend your sport. Im NOT and i REPEAT NOT going to boycott MAXIM for this because they still have half naked pics of hot chicks. I like the idea of the worlds hottest disc golf chick being in there if any of the females would be interested in doing that ;)

I just think we need to seriously clean the image of this sport up and bring it to a Proffesional level.

[jzumwalt]

Geez, you guys might just be the biggest bunch of whining dillholes on the freakin' planet.

It was a joke! Get over it, turn the page, and move on. Boycott a magazine over that? Maybe you all should write your congressman and complain that Maxim's 'slanderous' article (which wasn't even an article to begin with) is the cause of everything evil in the world today. That would be good.



How would you feel if your local newspaper printed a comment that flag football is just a *** marriage or tag and football and all the people who play it a just loser sissys that cant hack real football.

Have some heart and defend your sport. Im NOT and i REPEAT NOT going to boycott MAXIM for this because they still have half naked pics of hot chicks. I like the idea of the worlds hottest disc golf chick being in there if any of the females would be interested in doing that ;)

I just think we need to seriously clean the image of this sport up and bring it to a Proffesional level.



I am glad to hear that you are offended by what they wrote but just keep giving them your money. That will help.
There are other magazines that are almost just like Maxim. Stuff and FHM to name a couple.

Please, if you want to see half naked chicks go to a titty bar or buy a porno mag..

How would you feel if your local newspaper printed a comment that flag football is just a *** marriage or tag and football and all the people who play it a just loser sissys that cant hack real football.

Have some heart and defend your sport. Im NOT and i REPEAT NOT going to boycott MAXIM for this because they still have half naked pics of hot chicks. I like the idea of the worlds hottest disc golf chick being in there if any of the females would be interested in doing that ;)

I just think we need to seriously clean the image of this sport up and bring it to a Proffesional level.



Well, first off, I have no desire to see DG at a "Professional level" (whatever the hell that means). I am happy playing once in a while at my local park and having fun. I don't want to earn a living playing DG and don't really care if anyone else does. This is not 'My Sport', it's a game I play for FUN. Playing a game for fun means being able to laugh at things that are funny, even if they are directed at me.

With regard for the flag football comment, in this area we have 5,6,and 7 year olds playing flag football. If my local newspaper did print something like that, for whatever reason, I would laugh it off and leave it at that.

Dude, you like girls? :eek:

hey steve, do you have anything to add or are you just gonna keep baiting him for your own amusement? don't really care, just curious.

not to get in the middle of y'alls spat, but it seems that you don't have a lot to say except for running someone with an opinion down.

at least when i do that to nick, i try to be entertaining for the benefit of the rest of you guys. :)

With regard for the flag football comment, in this area we have 5,6,and 7 year olds playing flag football. If my local newspaper did print something like that, for whatever reason, I would laugh it off and leave it at that.



sorry dan, i like ya, but i'm gonna have to call bs on you for that. especially if one of those 5-7 yr olds in question was yours.

as for your comment that dg wasn't "your sport," your lack of a sense of ownership is your issue, not anyone else's.

but hey, if things like this don't tweak ya, that's cool too. there must always be some cooler heads to prevail. :)

With regard for the flag football comment, in this area we have 5,6,and 7 year olds playing flag football. If my local newspaper did print something like that, for whatever reason, I would laugh it off and leave it at that.



sorry dan, i like ya, but i'm gonna have to call bs on you for that. especially if one of those 5-7 yr olds in question was yours.

as for your comment that dg wasn't "your sport," your lack of a sense of ownership is your issue, not anyone else's.

but hey, if things like this don't tweak ya, that's cool too. there must always be some cooler heads to prevail. :)



Mark, look at my profile pic, that is my son from one of his games (ok, he scored a TD on that play, but I won't gloat or anything :) ). If a newspaper printed something disparaging, I really would laugh it off because, here's a shocker, I know better . Getting my tits in an uproar over what someone else thinks/writes/says isn't worth it.

BTW, everyone that is ****** off about this 'article' needs to read the mag in the first place. This was in no way an article of any sort. It was a blurb, accompanied by a photo, and took up maybe an 8th of a page, if that, out of a 200 or so page mag.

Yer purty! :D

why yes i am, but i don't see what that has to do with your pronounced lack of a viable opinion.

dan, i figured that was the case with your profile pic (although i didn't know about the td). :)

my point was, what you do with your tits is fine for you, but you did seem to get bent over others expressing their displeasure over it.

O.K. how`s this for a viable opinion, 1)Maxim`s a lame magazine 2) they were probally just kidding around 3) you guys should lighten up. Have a good weekend . Out! ;)

not bad. short and sweet. don't agree, but it was viable.

see, that wasn't hard at all. :)

always happy to inspire and help wherever possible (although its waaaaaaay too late to help nicki).

[idahojon]

I like the idea of the worlds hottest disc golf chick being in there if any of the females would be interested in doing that.



Fortunately, I think the "disc golf chicks" that I know have far too much class for that. Des, Juliana, Ruth, Elaine, Leslie, Leslie, Courtney, Nadine...and any that I've missed or that I don't know...any of these women and all of these women are way too good for such drivel.

MAXIM means nothing in the whole scheme of things. We, as the PDGA...and I mean ALL of us, not just the leadership...are responsible for the image by which we are perceived. I think most people are "getting it" about drinking/doping on the course during tournaments. It may take some time before it goes away during casual play, if ever.

I am more concerned about courteous behavior and players "taking care of business" in regards to rules compliance. If certain posters' tendencies to fly off the handle and use profanity and demeaning language on this message board are any indication of how they might behave on the course during competition, then the PDGA Marshals may find themselves handing out lots of warnings and subsequent penalties for violation of Rule 804.05 A (1).

If the shoe fits, etc. etc. etc.

Not speaking for the Board.

[cbdiscpimp]

MAXIM means nothing in the whole scheme of things. We, as the PDGA...and I mean ALL of us, not just the leadership...are responsible for the image by which we are perceived. I think most people are "getting it" about drinking/doping on the course during tournaments. It may take some time before it goes away during casual play, if ever.



I dont know if it will ever go away during casual play. That isnt what we need work on. We need to work on the fact that people still smoke during sanctioned play and during Tournaments. There is no way we can get the respect and sponsorship that we need if our players are smokin dope on the course and in the parking lots of our venues.

[discglfr]

Funny that I saw this article a few weeks ago and thought about writing to them. Then I wondered if it would do ANY good.

I figured I would start with something like, "I have been involved with disc golf since the age of 14 and I'm 25 now and it's given me so many great benefits bla bla bla..." and it's all true. I have gained friends (and foes) in this sport mainly because I would like to see the image cleaned up somewhat.

I know where the sport came from but that doesn't mean it's an image we want to maintain. I am now presenting to schools, YMCA's, and other organizations the concept of disc golf. How in the world do I justify a blurb in this magazine when asked about it from a parent? Unfortunately, I think the assumptions and perceptions about our sport are usually true. There is far too much illegal activity in our sport and I have been saying that for years. However, my views are a minority because no one else is doing anything about it.

So where does this leave me? Well, I guess just bitter that the latest printed 'perception' about the sport that I have given so much to (and taken from) is still looked at in this light. I will continue my battle but with the way people still act at tournaments (or causally) it seems as if I will remain in the minority.

[slo]

Frolf=activity
Frisbie Golf=game
Disc Golf=sport
This "article" wasn't even about disc golf!
I thought it was pretty funny, and obviously not to be taken too seriously...
...just wondering, how may of you wanting to use violence, legal action, or economic sanctions against Maxim would be less, or not at all offended if it read "shotgun marriage" rather than "*** marriage"? You've got bigger problems to address than the hypothetical besmirchment of the sport via some tasteless, albeit humorous misinformation.

[hvnafit]

I too use to subscribe to Maxim. I did enjoy the magazine for it's models, articals, and for it's humor. Like the line or not (correct me if I am wrong) it does just state our history. Just like us here in the south is proud of our Confederate history; weather it be considered a good type of history or not. It is our roots. I think this artical has given us the chance to bring disc golf to the attention of others with the chance to show others how we have evolved. He@#! If this has gotten people talking; then disc golf is on people mines so now lets show wveryone what it is all about!

[tafe]

Slo, check yourself and don't even go there. You don't know me or anything about me. Your implied reason has nothing to do with it.

one of the best aspects of these maxim discussions has been reading peoples widely varied takes on it and realizing just how diverse a group we are intellectually.


oh, and in case i forgot, all the rest of you are a bunch of knuckleheads. :)

slo, its often hard to interpret someone's tone or to tell when their attempting to be funny on this board (with the exception of my always funny material).

with that in mind, i hope that you were trying to be funny, instead of just generally casting out the accusation that anyone not liking their sport being belittled in this blurb must be a homophobe.

i say i hope you were trying to be funny, because if you weren't you're a complete idiot for saying that, and i always like to hope for the best in people**. so tell us all you were making a joke, albeit not a funny one.






**except nick, some causes are lost, sadly.

[gdstour]

I sent an e mail to them, thouh I won;t hold my breath for a reply!
Hello macho-man-mag,
Since I own a disc golf disc manufacturing company I thought I should write. Hopefully I am not the only one!
I am sure you got a few emails about the bashing of disc golf in your mag.
I am writing a letter to find out if any related comments about disc golf were ever published.
I would bet a lot of your readers would be prime candidates for the game/sport/recreation of Disc Golf.
A well written article about some of the elite players would have made great reading. I believe your interpretation of disc golf was only about an 1/8th right and could have been much more interesting reading content for your mag( which I'm sure you already know you could use more of).
Bashing Gays probably didn’t help any as I know a lot of lesbians who enjoy the pics, And Guys like lesbians a lot, even though few-men-chew!
Maybe you should post some of the e mails you’ve been sent to show your customers you care a little or even have a poll on your website asking who has played disc golf and if they like it or not!
I think you will find that playing disc golf requires more athleticism than many sports. We also draw from a lot wider demographic than the pot-smoking, limp-wristed-underachieving-sissy boys you've portrayed.

Bashing Gays probably didn’t help any as I know a lot of lesbians who enjoy the pics, And Guys like lesbians a lot, even though few-men-chew!



classy dave, i'm sure that was helpful.

[bapmaster]

classy dave, i'm sure that was helpful.



Well, if not, at least it was funny. :D

And since I've chimed in, I'll give my two cents. I used to subscribe to Maxim a few years ago, until I tired of the same lowbrow humor employed in every last line of every last article. I think the content of the magazine (including the comment on disc golf) shows the average IQ of the Maxim reader, and should be taken as seriously as any subscriber would take it (which, for those of you who didn't get the gist of that, is NOT AT ALL!!!). It's merely a bad magazine with great pictures, which are just about the only things that remotely redeem the magazine (although not enough for me to buy it).

The comment on disc golf is merely a true comment, if not a complete picture of the community, but it's hardly something to wad up your panties over. The pot smoking and whatever else is not going anywhere. Ever. Period. There are ALWAYS going to be casual golfers who smoke while playing the game. The same as ball golfers who have a case of beer in the golf cart with them. The pro's may not do such (although I'm not so sure about our sport :eek:), but casuals do, and will.

Anyway, my point is, Maxim was just being funny, and they succeeded, and, apparently, some of you didn't get the joke.

yeah, I wrote them a concise, well-spoken defense of the sport-side of disc golf...
then I told them to, "put THAT in your pipe and smoke it !"

ya think they've keyworded "disc" in their mail filter yet?

Dave, I bet you could've written a better letter than that if you just took a little more time to compose your thoughts and emotions. It is never shameful to edit a first draft.

If letters ARE still getting read, I hope we stay as positive as possible while delicately informing them they are full of crap - SORRY - "misinformed"......

Pot smokers are eveywhere. Some play disc golf, some are HIGH ranking government officials - Bubba.... How many NBA players partake ?
The real focus should be on the atheletes of our sport. The discs themselves, with their many design characteristics and new, more durable plastics, are also an impressive point of interest.

Also (forget whether or not they will ), I do not think the writers of MAXIM can write a worthy artcle about disc golf. It's not their style to do something well-researched, and something that doesn't help sell their soft porn, Metrosexual trash... unless its the, Straight Edge Babes of Disc Golf Who Throw Both Ways.

Bap,
so what you're saying is we shouldn't worry too much because most of their readers don't really read the magazine. Fair enough.

I wonder how many *** pot smokers were offended.....

[johnrhouck]

Let he who has never passed judgment on something he knows nothing about cast the first boycott. We all say things like this all the time.

There is a stereotyped image of disc golf, and someone wrote it in a magazine. Obviously, the writer has never experienced modern professional disc golf. His (or her) ignorant pronouncement is akin to saying:

"Kobe's guilty."

"Kobe's innocent."

"Karl Rove is the devil."

"54 people close to Bill Clinton have mysteriously died."

"I heard he was DQ'd because he he called the TD a crackhead."

"I heard he was DQ'd because he slept with the TD's girlfriend."

"Parcells is a god."

As many people have pointed out, this is a great opportunity to set the record straight. So send those positive e-mails, and show MAXIM all that is good about disc golf.

By the way, I'm curious: other than Jay Reading, how many of us DID make the football team?

[ck34]

By the way, I'm curious: other than Jay Reading, how many of us DID make the football team?



Lettered in football, track AND chess

[johnrhouck]

You are the man.

Linebacker?

I looked at the MAXIM article. Now I remember why I never liked the magazine - childish humor.

The other "half/half assed" subjects were spork, mule, transvestite and one other..... it WAS an attempt at humor. The magazine is filled with jumbled, incohesive little bits of lame comedy. Regardless of the intent, it was irresponsible of them. As for the "*** marriage" part....get over it. IMHO, they were just playing off the name Frolf -which IS sorta *** sounding.

One of the most annoying things in the world is someone who constantly tries to be funny, but never hits the mark.

And for that, I'm sorry.............

[ck34]

Linebacker?



I played "both ways" at flanker & safety (which I guess doesn't help allay the *** reference :))

[jzumwalt]

classy dave, i'm sure that was helpful.



Well, if not, at least it was funny. :D

And since I've chimed in, I'll give my two cents. I used to subscribe to Maxim a few years ago, until I tired of the same lowbrow humor employed in every last line of every last article. I think the content of the magazine (including the comment on disc golf) shows the average IQ of the Maxim reader, and should be taken as seriously as any subscriber would take it (which, for those of you who didn't get the gist of that, is NOT AT ALL!!!). It's merely a bad magazine with great pictures, which are just about the only things that remotely redeem the magazine (although not enough for me to buy it).

The comment on disc golf is merely a true comment, if not a complete picture of the community, but it's hardly something to wad up your panties over. The pot smoking and whatever else is not going anywhere. Ever. Period. There are ALWAYS going to be casual golfers who smoke while playing the game. The same as ball golfers who have a case of beer in the golf cart with them. The pro's may not do such (although I'm not so sure about our sport :eek:), but casuals do, and will.

Anyway, my point is, Maxim was just being funny, and they succeeded, and, apparently, some of you didn't get the joke.



Allright! Now you are cutting the Maxim readers down("I think the content of the magazine shows the average iq of the Maxim reader"). :) Come on BAP that was a low blow. I have always liked Maxims humor but they just went too far with their little piece on disc golf. Disc golf doesn't need a big nationally read magazine making it sound *** and for the athletically challenged even if some of you did think it was funny. I can't laugh at something that could really keep some potential players from even trying it. No, I didn't get the joke but I still like ya' BAP.(as a friend, nothing more than that Maxim) :D

[jzumwalt]

Let he who has never passed judgment on something he knows nothing about cast the first boycott. We all say things like this all the time.

There is a stereotyped image of disc golf, and someone wrote it in a magazine. Obviously, the writer has never experienced modern professional disc golf. His (or her) ignorant pronouncement is akin to saying:

"Kobe's guilty."

"Kobe's innocent."

"Karl Rove is the devil."

"54 people close to Bill Clinton have mysteriously died."

"I heard he was DQ'd because he he called the TD a crackhead."

"I heard he was DQ'd because he slept with the TD's girlfriend."

"Parcells is a god."

As many people have pointed out, this is a great opportunity to set the record straight. So send those positive e-mails, and show MAXIM all that is good about disc golf.

By the way, I'm curious: other than Jay Reading, how many of us DID make the football team?



I was a safety on defense and running back on offense.

middle linebacker/pulling guard/punter/stoner

[bapmaster]

Come on BAP that was a low blow.



Ok, that WAS a low blow, and I take it bake. Orrr back.

And, just to clarify, I didn't really think it was all that funny, but I did get that it was only a joke, as small-minded as it might be (which I still think is a rule about the rest of the magazine, pictures and all :p).

[gnduke]

Linebacker, pulling guard, offensive and defensive end (over a few years).

[ozdisc]

Those football players are all ######. Look at the amount of padding they wear. I played a real sport without pads, Australian Rules Football! :)

I had better watch what I say, I live next to the big man Yeti.

Also (forget whether or not they will ), I do not think the writers of MAXIM can write a worthy artcle about disc golf. It's not their style to do something well-researched, and something that doesn't help sell their soft porn, Metrosexual trash... unless its the, Straight Edge Babes of Disc Golf Who Throw Both Ways.



Now, now, ching, you are wading into the shallow waters of hypocrisy here. You jump on Maxim for making comments (in jest, no less) about disc golf without researching them (even though there was more truth than fiction in what Maxim said, but I digress). Yet, here you are making comments about the content and journalistic integrity of Maxim when you obviously don't read the magazine.

I am not on a soapbox to claim that Maxim is the next U.S. News and World Report, but it (like most other men's magazines) does publish 'serious' stories as well as the juvenile, testosterone-filled fluff that we all (well, most of us anyway) know and love. They had an article about Saddam's sadistic sons a full year before everything happened in Iraq, and a pretty good piece on street racing this month. Of course, they also had a few dumb blonde jokes, so I guess that means all blondes will write them letters and start a pushing for a boycott.

BTW, Flanker.

I made my post yesterday after looking at the magazine.

I spent 15 minutes digging through the rubbish. If I missed the serious section in must have been stuck somewhere between the cleavage and the potty jokes.

You...you...FLANKER ! :D

maybe a fairer examination would be to give them a 3 month review, but, why?

There are many/much better sources for humor, news, music/movie reviews, and photos of the female form (of which I have on the job experience :cool:). Technically, the MAXIM photos are excellent. I did like the part where they took a woman who works as a roofer and gave her a one page bikini pictorial. A tad classier than Naughty Neighbors.

[exczar]

I made the football team every time I tried out, which means Never...

I didn't stand a chance anyway. My sophmore year, the team went undefeated, was not on probation or sanctioned or anything like that, and didn't even make the playoffs!

Wasn't too easy to make playoffs back then, not like in TX where 2 teams from a div of 5 can do it. :mad: